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Republicans are defending corporate jet tax breaks
 
So check out this contrast. First you have Harry Reid introducing a resolution that calls for millionaires to pay more taxes to help reduce the deficit:
The Democratic leader of the Senate has introduced a measure asking the wealthy to make a large contribution to deficit reduction.

The resolution offered by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday asks lawmakers to sign off on a "Sense of the Senate" that "any agreement to wealthier taxpayers should reduce the budget deficit should require that those earning $1,000,000 or more per year make a more meaningful contribution to the deficit reduction effort."

And then you have Republican Senators waxing poetic about how the corporate jet tax break is a really great thing:

Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID) dismissed ending the tax break as just “code for much broader, large tax increases,” saying that the jet tax break is “not the issue we’re debating here.” ... Sen. Marco Rubo (R-FL) meanwhile, told the National Review that Obama was suggesting corporate jet owners earn too much money. “[D]on’t go around telling people that the reason you are not doing well is because some rich guy is in a corporate jet or some oil company is making too much money,” he said. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) spokesperson defended the tax break without really addressing the issue on its merits, quipping to reporters, “Interesting that he keeps pointing to corporate planes and oil/gas.”

You can tell that these guys want to change the topic—corporate jet tax breaks are a perfect symbol of how upside down our tax code has become, and Republicans have firmly entrenched themselves on the wrong side of the debate about whether to fix it. As Joan noted Friday morning, the American public is firmly on the Democratic side of this debate. Maybe they're just better at math than Republicans, but most Americans understand that you cannot have a balanced deficit reduction package without increased revenue from millionaires and billionaires.

So here's the question Republicans need to answer: are they really willing to destroy the American economy in order to save tax breaks for super wealthy individuals and corporations? And if they are, how in the world do they expect to explain it to their constituents?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 10:50 AM PDT.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement.

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  •  We've got an action on this at Left Action (8+ / 0-)

    If you want to write your members, go for it:

    http://leftaction.com/...

    I say we keep pushing hard on this.  Seriously, the clownish responses from the GOP on this one really are comedy gold, if nothing else.

  •  Priorities (5+ / 0-)
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    TomP, JML9999, supercereal, JeffW, Hlinko

    Cut funding for NPR to ensure there is enough dough for elitest corporate jet subsidies.

    ~a little change goes a long way~

    by missliberties on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 10:54:45 AM PDT

  •  I think they are. (8+ / 0-)

    Now is the time to let the nation see what they are.

    Stand tough.  No more extortion.

    CitizenX: "If the republicans were in charge GM & Chrysler would be dead and Osama bin Laden would be alive."

    by TomP on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 10:56:16 AM PDT

    •  Cripes (7+ / 0-)

      They're acting like massive amounts of money is being stolen out of their pockets.  All the legislation does is depreciates the value of their private jets over 5 years rather than the current 7.

      Unbelievable demonstration of greed.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:09:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Its mindboggling, but is America going to step (4+ / 0-)
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        TomP, Puddytat, cybersaur, qofdisks

        up and say enough of this or will they continue to vote for Republicans?

        I am not so sure. The MSM is framing this as Dems are bad because they want to raise your taxes and Republicans are good because they want to cut spending and not raise taxes.

        Are non-Dkos type Americans going to see through the bullshit and stop voting against their interests?

        I am not so confident they will. I know my parents aren't because although they stand to get nailed by Medicare cuts and changes and other proposals by the GOP, they still think Dems are evil, especially black ones.

        •  Your folks sound like so many (3+ / 0-)
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          GOPers who don't comprehend until a Republican policy or law impacts them personally.   They've gotten lost by RW rhetoric that uses emotional appeals and bigotry to distract from the massive shift of wealth to the upper classes.  This meme is being perpetuated and echoed by the corporations that benefit most from low-information and bamboozled voters.

          Until people start paying more attention to what's being done to them and less attention to American Idol, etc. we will continue to have people voting against their own interests or just plain staying home.

          That said, Democrats share a good deal of the blame by their failure to fight for Democratic policies and showing that there is a real difference between the parties.  Unfortunately, far too many of them are in the pockets of Wall Street and corporations they might as well be Republicans.

          There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

          by Puddytat on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 12:30:54 PM PDT

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          •  Disagree (0+ / 0-)

            The differences could not be more clear to me. Dems aren't perfect but there is a clear difference between the parties. Those differences should be obvious to anyone that wants to see them but the propaganda power of the media cannot be underestimated and the brilliant strategy of Republicans to appeal to emotional issues like race, immigrants, abortion etc. works.

            My father was a union man his whole life and devoted member of the Democratic political machine in Chicago. He would have jumped in front of a train for Mayor Daley.

            As he got older, he discovered Fox News and right wing radio and now he goes on and on about fucking unions ruining the world, while he sits on his ass living a great retirement thanks to those same unions assholes he now rails against.

            Its insane.

            He is also one of the biggest racists in the world so that explains some of it. I just don't get it though.

            •  I can't agree (1+ / 0-)
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              Southside

              Just look at what the Dems did with the huge majorities that were rolled in with Obama.  Compromise, gave up, continued Bush Tax Cuts.  ACA was based on a rejected Republican proposal in the 1990s.

              When Dems try to be Republicans they should do so that voters, when given the choice between Republican lite and real Republican, will vote for real Republicans every time.

              Dems have good policies.  They just fold every time they're confronted.

              There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

              by Puddytat on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 01:34:50 PM PDT

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  •  explain it to their constituents? (2+ / 0-)
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    Puddytat, Observerinvancouver

    By declaring their constituents  pathetic losers for attempting class warfare

    We agree our hair is on fire, we disagree with Paul Ryan's plan to use a sledgehammer to put out the fire

    by JML9999 on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 10:59:54 AM PDT

  •  Actually, I hope Crapo is right. (3+ / 0-)
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    This new Democratic obsession with jets had better be just a code word for broader changes to tax policy (i.e., raising the top rate back to Clinton-era levels).  Otherwise, is this really the Republican "compromise" we're going to the brink of default to achieve?

    Families is where a nation finds hope, where wings take dream.

    by cardinal on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:02:50 AM PDT

    •  We should raise (3+ / 0-)
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      the top rate back to Eisenhower levels. Wasn't that supposed to be some American golden age, or something? (Note, there is the follow up question, golden age for who?)

    •  exactly....but I doubt it.. (1+ / 0-)
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      qofdisks

      I think they are actually going to try to sell an inevitable concession on this single tax break as victory...

      I see it now!!  Pop Champagne.  We got the Republican plan proposed 3 months ago for revenue, minus 50% (7% of plan instead of 15%).

        We compromised!!   Yeah.

      Wake me when the kabuki ends.  I saw this movie in December.   I remember the part where the former President came to the WH to "advise" President Obama and gave his own press conference.  Those were the days.

      Unfortunately, sequels are usually worse.

      "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

      by justmy2 on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:31:18 AM PDT

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  •  MediaMatters points out their hypocrisy (1+ / 0-)
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    blw

    The very same people who objected to funding NPR are against cutting even larger subsidies to corporate jet owners!

    Right-wing media are defending tax breaks for corporate jet owners, arguing that ending them is tantamount to "class warfare" and also would not significantly lower the deficit. But right-wing media have previously claimed that the government "can't afford" to continue to provide funds to NPR, even though these subsidies are significantly lower than those provided through tax breaks for corporate jets.
    •  Rachel had a great list (4+ / 0-)
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      yowsta, Misterpuff, cybersaur, qofdisks

      About a dozen things we 'can't afford' that were nowhere near the 'pittance' that the corporate jet loophole is, allegedly.  

      I think we need to frame this as millionaire welfare.  

      They want a 'class war', let's give it to them.  

      •  What Good Is That Going To Do? (1+ / 0-)
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        qofdisks

        Honestly, why should we care? So the ultra-rich lose a couple of tax perks? Mere symbolism aside what is this other than a fig-leaf to cover a crap sandwich?

        And we're supposed to get excited over the "fight" about that? And meanwhile swallow the trillions in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid?

        Can you say "Bread and Circuses to distract the masses?"

  •  Crapo... (0+ / 0-)

    ...aptly named.

    He's dim, Jed!

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:07:09 AM PDT

  •  Excellent framing on your last question (0+ / 0-)

    It's pretty cut-and-dried, isn't it? I approve :)

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:11:20 AM PDT

  •  how do they expect to explain it.. (0+ / 0-)

    "It's Obama's fault"

  •  yesterday on HP i made a lot of catty remarks (3+ / 0-)

    about gwyneth paltrow and her advice column (goop) because in her screeds she displays an amazing lack of understanding as to how the average person lives and her seeming inability to appreciate that she has it better than most of the rest of the world.

    anyways, it got me to wondering just how much of the privileged class is similarly clueless and how many of them are oblivious to the fact that not everyone can afford to summer in the hamptons or fly off to the south of france because they're feeling stressed out.

    now, when i read stuff like this, i don't feel like i have to wonder anymore.

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:17:17 AM PDT

    •  My husband's best friend (2+ / 0-)
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      ....is a now retired stockbroker.  He made millions every year.  He thought we did the same.  They don't get it.  

      •  i'm not wealthy by any stretch (0+ / 0-)

        but i'm damned comfortable.  there is not a day that goes by when i don't take a moment to appreciate just how lucky i am that i have a comfortable warm, dry, cool in the summer, 2 bedroom home of my own,  that i don't have to wonder where my next meal is coming from, that i don't have to be concerned about whether or not my power is going to be shut off or that i have the luxury of being able to talk with other people about what i can do to make my life more fulfilling.

        i take none of that for granted because, in a heartbeat, it can all disappear.

        having a lot of money, i guess, makes one a lot more immune to those fears & concerns.  the further the wolf is away from the door, the easier it is to forget about it.

        hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

        by alguien on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:34:07 AM PDT

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  •  Because GOPs' constituents all have corporate jets (3+ / 0-)
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    So here's the question Republicans need to answer: are they really willing to destroy the American economy in order to save tax breaks for super wealthy individuals and corporations? And if they are, how in the world do they expect to explain it to their constituents?

    Yes. Why would the Republicans need to explain anything? Their real constituents have corporate jets and do not depend on a functioning U.S. economy.

    •  the most absurd and scandalous part about (0+ / 0-)

      decimating the american economy is that we have law makers like eric cantor,  (not all are republickers) who are investing in that the american economy tanks.  

      HOW COULD ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL INVEST IN A PORTFOLIO THAT RELIES HEAVILY ON THE FACT THAT AMERICA GETS DEEPER IN DEPT?  WHAT IS THE INSENTIVE FACTOR FOR LAWMAKERS WHO INVEST AND RELY HEAVILY THAT OUR ECONOMY TANKS?  

      THIS IS TRULY SCANDALOUS AND PURELY CORRUPT!  

      There should be serious investigations into any law maker who has investments related directly to any economic failure.  when the critter chairs the boards and committees that he/she is investing in a part of.

  •  If Only "Average Americans" Would VOTE Like (1+ / 0-)
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    cybersaur

    they're firmly on the democratic side, instead of 60% of white-americans "average americans" voting like they're firmly on the republican side.

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party

    by OnlyWords on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:25:52 AM PDT

  •  So, in other words (4+ / 0-)
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    tuma, yowsta, Misterpuff, cybersaur

    The new GOP motto is "jets before debts?"  Maybe they will have rallies on the runways.      

  •  Stop calling it "corporate jet tax breaks" (2+ / 0-)
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    Misterpuff, qofdisks

    When you say "corporate jet tax breaks" the ring to it is not as pungent. Try saying "corporate jet taxpayer subsidies" and watch people flinch...which of course is exactly what they are - tax payer subsidies.
    ....and they say Obama brought socialism....

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

    by tuma on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:31:43 AM PDT

  •  I hope FPer are planning a story (0+ / 0-)

    on why more than Corporate Jet Taxes are required?

    Right?

    We are not being asked to believe that this is the concession to make 2.4 Billion in cuts to key social programs is acceptable?

    Right?

    "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

    by justmy2 on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:33:33 AM PDT

  •  I've seen a few suggestions that Pres. Obama (0+ / 0-)

    referred to "corporate jets" a little too frequently at his presser, esp. in view of the relatively small increase in tax revenues.  However, it appears to have made Republicans react like a bull to a red flag.  

    The spectacle of Republican lawmakers defending the current depreciation period compared to the good works that could be achieved by extending the depreciation period for two more years is almost farcical.  This is a contrast that even the most time-pressed voter can absorb in a few seconds.  

    We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

    by Observerinvancouver on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:33:37 AM PDT

  •  might I suggest that democrats focus (1+ / 0-)
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    on tax increases that won't be affected by the reversal of the bush tax cuts when they expire?  That way we can get more bang for the buck.  No point in fighting for something that will come back soon with no action anyway.

  •  If you really need tax payer subsidies for (0+ / 0-)

    for corporate jet...can your company really afford a corporate jet?

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

    by tuma on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:39:36 AM PDT

  •  Really? Democrats about to cave to 2 trillion (1+ / 0-)
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    or more in cuts, and the corporate jet depreciation is the issue that we are supposed to get upset about?

    The point is Obama and many Democrats are looking for a fig leaf to cover a massive sell-out, and the Republicans won't even give them that. I say good for them- this will be a huge capitulation in the face of a disastrous economy if Democrats agree to these massive austerity measures. I really hope that the Republicans don't cave and give the corrupt corporate wing of the Democratic party some little sweetener to make swallowing this bitter poison easier.  

    It's about time our Democratic politicians were honest with us and showed us exactly where they stand, and a pure austerity deficit reduction capitulation bill is the perfect vehicle- no fig leafs for mendacious politicians to try to fool voters with, just an up or down vote on cuts to programs Democrats claim that they support. Bring it on... lets not forget we have Democratic "majority" in the Senate and a "Democrat" in the White House. And if they fail, we have a primary to remedy the situation.

    I put my faith in the people, But the people let me down. So I turned the other way And I carry on, anyhow - Rare Earth, I Just Want To Celebrate

    by Spiny on Fri Jul 01, 2011 at 11:50:04 AM PDT

  •  Obama's Propaganda - How stupid do u think we are? (0+ / 0-)

    The tax break in question allows corporate jets to be depreciated over 5 years, instead of 7.

    The amount of tax revenue is "minimal" only $3 Billion over the next 10 years.

    The change in taxes was included in the stimulus package as a way to help the American jet industry.

    In 2007, with the Iraqi surge in full swing the federal government spent 2.73 Trillion dollars, had a deficit of of $163 billion and gov't debt totalled 8.95 trillion dollars.

    In 2010, the federal government spent under His Holiness Barack Obama spent 3.55 Trillion dollars - an 800 billion dollar increase in just three years or 30% -- had a deficit of 1.2 Trillion dollars and gov't debt totalled approximately 14.1 Trillion dollars.

    Barry please don't insult me by ripping a minor tax that you wanted as part of the stimulus.

    Call the Repubs scumbags if you must, but these numbers don't lie -- gov't spending is out of control and until spending goes back to acceptable levels don't say a word about increasing taxes on anyone no matter how rich in this economy.

    And if you use the word "fair" it should be treated just like you would when your six year old says something isn't fair.  All that matters at this point is what works and what doesn't -- hate Reagan? Fine, but he got people back to work.  So did W after the 2001 attacks.  Barry hasn't got a clue and is clearly overmatched by the job.  No shame in that being President is tough especially over the past few years.  But this is just insane.

  •  The Dems didn't have the stones... (0+ / 0-)

    ...when they were needed -- when the Bush tax cuts were extended -- when all they had to do is stand firm against continuing the Bush tax cuts for the higher income earners.

    Now they get all righteous and demand tax increases.  Which is a whole lot harder and has the same fate as that perpetually doomed snowball.

    This is just more posturing for the press........

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