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The Progressive Change Campaign Committee's press secretary just sent a powerful message to our members, on why his past work for President Obama spurred him to sign our pledge not to donate or volunteer for the 2012 campaign if Obama makes cuts to Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security benefits. Please read his message below, and add your name with nearly 200,000 others who are calling on Obama to defend these vital programs against any attacks.

I worked for Barack Obama in 2008. And I want to support his campaign in 2012.

And that's why I'm asking you to join me and over 195,000 others who've signed the pledge not to donate to or volunteer for Obama's 2012 campaign if he cuts Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security benefits.

Let me explain...

In 2007, I quit my job and moved to South Carolina to help win the state's early primary for an unlikely presidential candidate from my home state of Illinois.

I met hundreds of people who were dedicating their lives to the Obama campaign. Community leaders like Edith Childs, whose cheer "Fired Up, Ready to Go," eventually became a rallying cry for a nation-wide movement.

Each of us promised that Senator Obama would change the status quo and fight for regular people -- not the wealthy or special interests. And President-elect Obama asked us to hold him accountable to that promise.

When President Obama puts cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security benefits on the table -- and takes new tax rates for the rich off the table -- he's not being the president we promised he would be.

And if he agrees to a bad deal with Republicans, muddying the waters on which party fights for the middle class, that will hurt his own re-election chances in 2012.

That's why I asking you to join me and 195,000 others who signed this urgent pledge -- a plea to President Obama -- which we'll deliver to the Obama campaign tomorrow in Chicago. Click here to sign.

Then, please pass this email on to others.

Thanks for being a bold progressive.

-- Neil Sroka (Chicagoland native, Obama 2008 staffer, and current press secretary for the Progressive Change Campaign Committee)

For those of us who worked tirelessly to elect Obama in 2008, here are the most depressing quotes from his press conference Monday:

1) "We’re going to have a sales job. This is not pleasant. It is hard to persuade people to do hard stuff that entails trimming benefits and increasing revenues."

Significance: This is the first time Obama admitted he is pushing "benefit" cuts that would hurt our grandparents, kids, and the disabled -- not just "savings" like negotiating lower drug prices.

2) "I want to be crystal clear -- nobody has talked about increasing taxes now.  Nobody has talked about increases -- increasing taxes next year."

Significance: Polling shows that by 4 to 1, Americans want taxes increased on the rich. The "millionaires tax" proposed by House progressives would raise $1 trillion -- helping to take benefit cuts off the table. By his own admission, the president is not even asking for this.

3) "The vast majority of Democrats on Capitol Hill would prefer not to have to do anything on entitlements; would prefer, frankly, not to have to do anything on some of these debt and deficit problems."

Significance: The House Progressive Caucus proposed balancing the budget by taxing the rich, making companies like GE pay taxes, ending the wars, and other popular, progressive proposals. By his own admission, Obama didn't even try for these -- and then he attacks progressive Democrats with false, right-wing talking points.

4) "With respect to Social Security, Social Security is not the source of our deficit problems....the reason to include that potentially in this package is if you’re going to take a bunch of tough votes, you might as well do it now, as opposed to trying to muster up the political will to get something done further down in the future."

Significance: Why is a Democratic president going out of his way to help Republicans cut Social Security? That's not what we promised in 2008. It's not what Americans want now.

Sign the pledge. Then, pass it on.

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    •  What's so freaking "bold" about surrender? (7+ / 0-)

      Refusing to recognize the realpolitik of right wing majorities in Congress since day one of this administration, and persisting in this kind of unprincipled, subjective, hyperbolic oppositionalist crap can only serve to advance Republican (and Blue Dog) goals, to suppress likely Democratic voter turnout and perpetuate or worsen the present balance of power.

      This venue is about electing more better Democrats, NOT attacking our only prospects for actually really seizing the power in 2012.

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:26:29 PM PDT

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      •  More and Better doesn't mean absolute support (13+ / 0-)

        for any and every person who puts a "D" after his name, either.

        •  There's a difference between principled solidarity (0+ / 0-)

          ...and "absolute support", and there's also a difference between legitimate criticism, and unprincipled hyperbolic oppositionalist attack.

          Breaking ranks in the face of the enemy, to attack our own best prospects for crushing the Republicans is...contradictory, irrational, and unprincipled, especially considering the likely consequences.

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 04:07:52 PM PDT

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          •  That's certainly one point of view. (2+ / 0-)

            I'd argue that there frequently seems to be an...eagerness...to label "criticism" as "hyperbolic oppositionalist attack."

            •  I'd argue that when it's hyperbolic, it's attack (0+ / 0-)

              Such as the absolutely false meme so prevalent, that we woulda shoulda coulda run roughshod over the Republicans, with the putative Democratic "Majorities" of '08, and especially since 2010.

              To bring such a patent canard, that flies in the face of reality, over and over again, incessantly, subjectively, laden with adhominems like "spineless" and "no balls", "caving", "same as, or worse than Bush", etc., etc, is neither principled nor true, regardless of the "issue".

              The only "issue", really, is that the Prez and the Party, and the whole world are screwed, as long as we remain hostage to right wing majorities.

              The Republicans (and Blue Dogs) must be crushed...purged and suppressed, to the greatest extent possible, democratically, electorally, legislatively and judicially, in 2012.

              Projecting a supposed absolute non-viablity of the the Party is neither politically nor factually correct, and is contradictory to the explicitly stated purpose of the blog.

              "Dems Sux" memes are explicitly prohibited.

              Breaking ranks in the face of the enemy, to attack our only prospects for crushing the right, is not the practice of friends and comrades in solidarity.

              Indeed, my personal opinion is that anyone who would actually lend material support to the enemy, by deliberately helping to suppress likely Democratic voter turnout, to the material effect of turning more power over to the Republicans, is a traitor to humanity.

              Call me partisan, but this is a partisan blog, by declaration.

              Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

              by Radical def on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 11:16:44 PM PDT

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              •  I'd argue that "our only prospects" aren't (0+ / 0-)

                limited to one office holder or one candidate at any given time.

                I'd argue further that there also seems to be an eagerness to describe "criticism" (especially of one particular candidate) as "deliberately helping to suppress likely Democratic voter turnout." Further still I'd argue that partisan Democratic turnout isn't likely to be an issue as much as turnout among non-partisan Democrats and non-partisan non-Democrats (for example, see 2010), and that conflating criticism of a particular candidate with an attempt to suppress that bloc is also unfounded.

                •  Except that it's Not about vacillating fools... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...who can't make up their minds, from one election to the next, whether to vote for the Republicans or the Dems, so much, like the "independents" and "swing" voters, nor even, as you say, the partisans who vote the Dem ticket automatically.  

                  Forget about "winning over" the right, lol...we don't realy "need" or want them, because their entire perspective on life is whack, as is that of many independents and swing voters.  That would only bring us more Blue Dogs, compounding our problems.

                  This is far more about new voters, and the usual non-voters, from the low income, low education, youth, and minority demographics, who are predominantly likely Democratic voters, due to their inherent mutual material self-interests as a class.

                  That's who stepped up and swept Mr. Obama and Democratic Majorities, such as they were, into office...Unprecedented numbers and percentage of youth, and virtually all peoples of color.

                  Project Vote: '08 Election Analysis

                  But some 100 million eligibles still did not vote in '08, even for Obama, due primarily to a deeply embedded perception that it will not really make any material difference in their lives.

                  Perpetuating that false perception, encouraging it, promulgating it, is an opportunist ploy by both the right and many on the "left", for their own perversely conflating reasons...and it's the only thing, really, that has allowed the right to seize and hold the power, just barely, over these many years, among other dirty tricks, like throwing those demographics off the voter registers, sending cops to harass people on their way to vote, issuing false info about voting locations and dates, attacking ACORN, etc. etc.

                  For all the absolutist "left analysis" that the parties are "the same", because they are all a bunch of rich bourgeois motherfuckers, which may be more or less true, to a degree, those of us who pay close attention can see there are, in fact, profound differences, in both rhetoric and practice, that will mean life and death for millions of "Americans", and the whole world.

                  Holding out for perfection, in the face of the utter, absolute destruction that now looms over us, under an increasingly blatant, all-out fascist assault, and with the ice caps melting faster and faster, is misanthropic, and suicidal.

                  History has shown what happens when the left fails, refuses, "on principle", to unite behind the most viable more or less liberal bourgeois politicians, to block the extreme right from power.  

                  THAT is what ushered in Hitler, Nixon, Reagan and Bush.

                  Solidarity means doing what it takes, in cooperation and coordination toward a common goal.  It requires remembering who the enemy is, and Not breaking ranks to unnecessarily, gratuitiously, irrationally attack your only allies in the struggle to crush the right.

                  Oh well...if you're determined to disagree and argue ad nauseum about how and why it's OK, or even "necessary" to attack the Prez and the Party with subjective hyperbolic slander, we are never going to agree.

                  You're either with us or against us, in this regard.

                  The present situation is that highly polarized, whether you like it or not.  I think it's a good thing, making the choices all the more clear cut.  

                  Either we get dragged to the right, further and further, or else we seize the power, with more or less progressive/moderate Democratic Majorities, to liberate the nation from a dictatorship of monopoly corporate fascist right wing majorities.

                  Will it then be the ultimate communist utopia yet, of actual real democracy?  Obviously, not, yet.

                  But with sufficient progressive plurality we can push through relatively modest electoral, campaign finance, media and lobbying reforms that would allow a more viable democracy to emerge, while we roll out the green paradigm, put everyone back to work, bring home the troops, fix health care, etc. etc.

                  This is such a no brainer, that anyone who balks or drags their feet has to be regarded with increasing suspicion, as to their real motives and loyalties.

                  Nothing good will come out of right wing majorities, as the present Obama administration demonstrates.  

                  The correct response to that is obviously Not more, larger, stronger right wing majorities, nor to blame the Democrats for everything the right has been doing to us.

                  We need moar better Democrats, plain and simple.

                  And that's what this blog is about, which is the bottom line, in terms of the parameters for discussion in this private venue.  

                  Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

                  by Radical def on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 11:32:09 AM PDT

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                  •  That is a very large number of words (0+ / 0-)

                    that simply reassert what you have already asserted. It's clear you have made up your mind and closed it to any possibility that your analysis is deficient in any way, so in that regard I am inclined it is pointless to go round and round with you.

                    All I can offer at this juncture is that seldom, in my experience, are things as black-and-white as you see them, and frequently those who offer up implications of blindness or willful stupidity couched in verbose rhetoric, as you have done, are not the most worthy of further attention.

                    •  Except this is a private venue... (0+ / 0-)

                      explicitly for electing more better Democrats.

                      We have, indeed, made up our minds, in this regard, and we're going for it.

                      We don't "need" to be schooled about how and why we can't, or shouldn't even try.

                      You don't like it?  Fine, gtfo.

                      I notice that you are unable to refute a single point of my analysis and position, and thus can only bring further evasive dismissal, which is all you've freakin' got, with such an idiotic, irrational line as you seek to promulgate.

                      I hold out no hope for convincing you either, heh...I write moar for the benefit of all the lurkers out there, who need to understand, and learn how to contend with the kind of jive shit your ilk brings.

                      Oh well, another old, dead thread, unlikely to get much more attention, in any case, so I too will move on.

                      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

                      by Radical def on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 01:45:16 PM PDT

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      •  Stupid fucking HR. (3+ / 0-)
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        At least you didn't tag one of you're dumb fucking pic-filled rants to it as well.

        More and Better Democrats

        by SJerseyIndy on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 05:08:00 PM PDT

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      •  you can also supress Dem voter turnout (2+ / 0-)
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        Zack from the SFV, maxschell

        by running as a Democrat who cut Soc Security

    •  HR'd for lying swill (11+ / 8-)

      Blaming the Prez and Party for what the Republicans are doing is Nothing but hyperbolic oppositionalist jive...

      "...destroying our party and the American people"...?  Absolute bullshit right wing "talking points" from hell.

      That's Not about "opinion", it's all about perversely reversed reason, logic, and fact.

      Remnant right wing majorities, since day one of this administration, with all those Blue Dogs in there, is the Only material explanation for the shortcomings and "capitulation" people are so "concerned" about.

      Anyone who ignores that realpolitik, to bring such gross misrepresentations, is Not our friend, or comrade, but only seeking to suppress likely Democratic voter turnout, to the benefit of the Republicans.

      Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

      by Radical def on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:17:12 PM PDT

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      •  Back 'atcha beautiful. (23+ / 1-)

        I have my opinion and it is based on Obama trying to erode my Social Security and Medicare, trying to drill on the Eastern Seaboard, enabling and intensifying the surveillance state way, giving the rich tax cuts while the middle class continues to suffer and continuing to kill innocent people in third world countries.

        You seem pretty angry that I hold this opinion and label it "Right Wing."

        I call it sensible and legitimate.

        Either way, it is not HR worthy.  Remove your HR.

        Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

        by maxschell on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:21:46 PM PDT

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      •  I say again, remove the HR. (14+ / 0-)

        You and Second Gen can keep this up if you like, but my comments are not HRable.  I will report it if you do not remove them.

        Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

        by maxschell on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:41:16 PM PDT

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      •  I have removed my HRs and I expect the same (7+ / 0-)

        from you.

        I have reported your conduct to Meteor Blades.

        Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

        by maxschell on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:53:46 PM PDT

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        •  I've removed mine, as they were for your (1+ / 0-)
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          retaliatory hides.

        •  Your HR's were inappropriate... (0+ / 0-)

          Mines were not.

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          I notice you make no effort to refute my position, that you bring lying swill, rendering your "opinion" trolling.  

          If you can convince me that Obama is destroying the Party and the US (like the right sooo loves to say, heh), then I will consider taking back my HRs, or giving you some more...

          Personally, I could care less where you are coming from, left or right.

          In this anonymous venue, there's no way to know who someone is, really, or what perverse permutations of contrived personas are being fielded, by all stripes of trolls.

          Speculation is futile, in that regard, and all we have to go on is the practice.  I don't know you, schell, haven't studied your profile or posts, am just riffing off my visceral response to your remarks.

          Must admit, I'm a tad subjective to this...topic...of hostile, subjective, unprincipled hyperbolic oppositionalist attack, in blatant defiance of the explicitly stated purpose of the blog, such that I do feel... compelled, to utilize the Community Moderation tools built into the site, moar.

          I notice the "votes" are presently running 9-1, on my position, that you bring lying swill, and are trolling...  

          Oh well...Meteor Blades is much more..."tolerant", it seems, and unlikely to ban your jive ass, for your "opinion",  unfortunately.

          Oh well...an HR is not a bullet to the head, but merely a vote that a remark is inconsistent with FAQ parameters for discussion here.  

          Too bad you didn't get moar, and that so many people here are so loath to HR, or to get sucked into pie fights.

          Me, I'm willing to submit to the consensus of Community Moderation, and to take my lumps, in that regard.  

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          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 02:40:14 PM PDT

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          •  Tossing donuts at (7+ / 0-)

            those you are engaged with is a no-no, as you well know.

            "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

            by happy camper on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 03:24:19 PM PDT

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            •  However, as I understand it... (0+ / 0-)

              ...when it's determined and confirmed by consensus that someone is just trolling, then everything they say in the thread is also eligible for HR, regardless.

              But the "rules" become kinda moot, without moderation, since anyone unprincipled enough to troll us is also subject to abuse the HR function, uprate legit HRs, often in concert with others of like "mind".

              And that's where one goes out on a limb, to Even use Community Moderation, Evah, since it subjects one to increasingly likely retaliatory pile-ons, and even stalking, as the freakin' trolls proliferate...deliberately taking advantage of the lack of sufficiently broad participation in Community Moderation, OR admin moderation.

              Broader, more frequent and resolute participation in Community Moderation is necessary, I think, and probably more Admin moderation as well, especially now, going into 2012, or the venue will only become even more over-run with lying oppositionalist swill than it already is.

              Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

              by Radical def on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 03:50:33 PM PDT

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          •  Dude!!! (or dudess) (1+ / 0-)
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            maxschell

              You can disagree with someone and believe they are wrong without resorting to stuff like "hostile, subjective, unprincipled hyperbolic oppositionalist attack".  

                I especially don't understand the "unprincipled" part; you just don't agree with the principle, but it is pretty ridiculous to say that  there is no principle.

                As a fiftysomething person without health insurance who is hoping I can hold on until I qualify for Medicare, I sure will not vote for a President, Senator or Representative who votes to raise the age for Medicare eligibility or cuts Social Security and Medicaid.

                That's my principle, and if you can't deal with that you can give me a donut (though I won't eat it, lol...)

               

            I'm not a Limousine Liberal; I am a Prius Progressive

            by Zack from the SFV on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:36:33 PM PDT

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      •  Enough of this (12+ / 0-)

        Learn to tolerate opinions that are different from yours or go away.

        "My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it until now." - JFK during the 1962 Steel Crisis

        by Betty Pinson on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 02:33:04 PM PDT

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        •  Says the Queen of Bullshit HRs (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Radical def

          nm

        •  I would point out, uprating legit HR's is banable (1+ / 0-)
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          Woodrow Stool

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          Having noticed your own propensity for similar perverse "opinions", it seems much moar likely that you woulda shoulda coulda gone away a long time ago, if moar people were willing to engage in Community Moderation.

          Oh well...I must admit that your remarks are a delicious irony...but I'm not laughing.

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          The ones who should STFU and GTFO are those purported "left" wingnuts who defy the FAQ parameters for discussion, to bring Nothing but cynical defeatism and demoralization, promulgating electoral boycott and splitting sentiments, refusing solidarity with the Prez and Party, and relentlessly, incessantly attacking, with unprincipled subjective, hyperbolic, slanderous, oppositionalist jive.

          But that's just my opinion, heh...nobody listens to me.

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          Oww...the Flaming Commie Red persona crashed and burned...Try the Green Party one...

          This kind of jive shit is only going to get moar intense, going into 2012.  

           

          Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

          by Radical def on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 03:04:44 PM PDT

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          •  Your use of "jive"... (2+ / 1-)
            Recommended by:
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            Radical def

            leads me to believe you are locked in some sort of "Good Times" alternative universe... clap, Dyn-O-Mite!

            "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

            by VA6thDem on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 07:35:16 PM PDT

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            •  Your adhominem proves you are a jive turkey (0+ / 0-)

              ...who cannot refute my position, and so must resort to insults.

              That crap is no different from the rest of the "obamabot" and "cheerleader" memes that are explicitly prohibited in this venue.

              Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

              by Radical def on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:22:29 AM PDT

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    •  Here's my reason for the HR (1+ / 0-)
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      Radical def

      Which you mentioned in a completely different diary so I had not idea what you were talking about.  So I checked.

      Prove that Obama is destroying the Democratic party when 85% of the party support him.  

      Prove that he is destroying the American people.  

      Because there are a number of things I disagree with him about, but he's a better President to you and me than a Republican would be.  Or have you not looked at that terrific line-up they have?

      What you've written is inane hyperbole.

      HRed for Right Wing talking points. OK?

  •  I wish those who are (14+ / 0-)

    saying the president would cut Medicare and Social Security understood what the president intends to do.

    Where is the proof that this president said or plans to do such things?

    This is all somebody told somebody who also told somebody else that they heard there may be cuts to these programs.  But what kind of cuts?  

    I keep hearing the president say NO CUTS TO  BENEFICIARIES.  Isn't that good enough?  

    •  Did you read the diary? (8+ / 0-)

      This is a direct quote:

      4) "With respect to Social Security, Social Security is not the source of our deficit problems....the reason to include that potentially in this package is if you’re going to take a bunch of tough votes, you might as well do it now, as opposed to trying to muster up the political will to get something done further down in the future."

      Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

      by maxschell on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:11:15 PM PDT

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    •  You hear what you want to hear (18+ / 0-)

      I understand plenty, and you could too if you substituted researching this topic for reflexive defense of the president.  

      Here is one example.  Read diaries in the Social Security Defenders group for more.  I don't have time for this today.

      Changing the cost of living formula to "chained CPI" cuts benefits to current beneficiaries, by reducing the formula they are using now.  Under the current formula, they have had no COLA increases for two years already, while health care costs keep going up.  Seniors are disproportionately likely to pay health care costs.  

    •  No. The President also said no to extending the (10+ / 0-)

      Bush tax cuts, but you know what happened.

      Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

      by temptxan on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:14:38 PM PDT

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      •  And the Best Predictor of Future Behavior (5+ / 0-)

        is past behavior, but whatever.  

        It's easier to keep pretending that the emperor has new clothes, I guess.

      •  "What happened" is right wing majorities prevailed (0+ / 0-)

        What IS it about that realpolitik, that your perspective just cannot comprehend, or acknowledge?

        One can only conclude that you are being deliberately duplicitous and disingenuous, or a complete fool, to keep asserting that we woulda coulda shoulda gotten more optimal results, under right wing majorities.

        And don't give me that jive shit about those putative Democratic "Majorities" coming out of '08.

        With all those remnant Blue Dogs in there, the Prez did Not have Democratic "Majorities", but was hostage to right wing majorities, from day one of his administration, plain and simple.

        Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

        by Radical def on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 04:16:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Spin some more. That is bullshit. He is closer (2+ / 0-)
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          gmb, maxschell

          in his views to the blue dogs than the progressives, so if there is a fool in this conversation, I don't believe it is me.

          Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

          by temptxan on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 04:56:54 PM PDT

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        •  The Greedy Old Party does not have (1+ / 0-)
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             sixty Senators. That means they don't have a right-wing majority. They don't even have fifty Senators. If the Democrats act like Democrats they can block the GOP from doing much.

               The GOP's corporate overlords will not allow a default. All we need right now is a clean increase of the debt limit, which we can get if we call the bluff of Boner and McConnell and the rest.

          I'm not a Limousine Liberal; I am a Prius Progressive

          by Zack from the SFV on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 10:44:40 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  This is All about relative right/left plurality... (0+ / 0-)

            in the House and Senate, rather than R and D, per se...the combination of Blue Dogs and Republicans constituted right wing majorities, since day one of this administration, and now it's worse, after 2010.

            Trying to deny that realpolitik only betrays utter foolish naivete or deliberate weaseling jive, and I'm leaning toward the latter, in most cases, because nobody with a brain could really be that stupid.

            I'm not worried about a default, and neither is the Prez, who has agreed with your assessment in that regard, and seems to be doing just fine in calling the Republicans bluff on that, and rope-a-doping their jive asses into exposing their own selves for the craven misanthropic opportunist swine that they are.

            People can "criticize" all they want about how they'd "like" to see more strident rhetoric and bolder action from the Prez, but whatever he says or does, the outcome will be less than optimal, with right wing majorities, plain and simple.

            Whatever happens between now and 2012 will pretty much suck, more or less, guaranteed.  

            If we gain sufficient progressive/moderate Democratic plurality in the House and Senate, the tables will be turned, and we can actually really kick right wing ass all up and down both sides of the aisle, like everyone says they want.

            Then, and only then, we'll be able to roll out the green paradigm all the way, put everyone back to work, bring home the troops, etc., etc.

            With real actual Democratic Majorities NOT rotten with Blue Dogs, we can also implement electoral, campaign finance, media and lobbying reforms, so more viable democracy can emerge.

            Less progressive plurality, not so much, or worse.

             

            Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

            by Radical def on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 11:52:01 PM PDT

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    •  ... (1+ / 0-)
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      maxschell

      If you call yourself a Democrat, then your forbidden to speak ill of the Holy Trinity!  By doing so you will smote!!  Now shut your mouth!!!

      "Jesus, does President Obama start anything on time anymore? It's like being in a club and waiting for Lauryn Hill show to being."- The Rude Pundit live-whiskey blogging Obama's Big Damn Middle East Policy

      by lcj98 on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:23:10 PM PDT

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      •  That "holy trinity" shit is HR'able... (0+ / 0-)

        ...but alas, I'm out of donuts, for now.

        As with other adhominem attacks, you betray the failure of your own reason and logic, in your utter inability to actually address my position, which you cannot refute, because it's correct...and you are full of shit.

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        Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary principle. Information is the ultimate key.

        by Radical def on Fri Jul 15, 2011 at 12:31:48 AM PDT

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    •  SS isn't part of the problem (8+ / 0-)

      No cuts are necessary, in fact, they would only make the deficit problem worse.

      So why would Obama choose something that would make the situation worse?

      "My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it until now." - JFK during the 1962 Steel Crisis

      by Betty Pinson on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 02:32:05 PM PDT

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  •  The Only Way (8+ / 0-)

    to truly be sure to stop anything really bad from going forward before it even gets started is to target your Democratic Senators and Representatives to get them to clearly state that they will not vote for regressive cuts to the Social Safety net.

    If there is anything critical I could say about the PCCC is that it seems like feelings being hurt is clouding making the cold hard decisions you can only make when your feelings being hurt aren't in the mix. Everyone should have changed tactics away from complaining to/theatening Obama about Obama letdowns years ago. History should have clearly told all by now that he's more likely to spotlight that liberals are pissed off at him than change gears because of the complaints.

    The Obama campaign just raised a record amount of money, and then went out and made sure it was a big story fit for one of those 24 hour news cycles that is allegedly something they loathe about DC.

    That's a tell.  

    "We are feeling our oats about how much dough we have raised" and "yeah, whatever, your threat to withhold money and support is just scaring the crap out of this White House".

    Trying to pressure a person or a campaign by threatening them when they are swimming in dough, and making sure it's out there, is wasting time and effort better spent talking directly to the members of Congress who can effect the outcome in a way complaining to/about the Obama administration/campaign cannot.

    The PCCC is spending way, way, waaaaay too much time grousing about Obama. It's 2011. He's been in the White House for years, and you know exactly how he operates (and it obviously is frustrating to you).

    So.

    If you feel that he isn't listening, yelling louder isn't the answer. Harsher rhetoric isn't the answer.

    Pivot.

    Go where you can change the dynamic, not where the dynamic is already pretty set.

    If a bad deal cannot get passed, then the dynamics change.

    As somebody who supports the PCCC, who means the PCCC well, you should be long past tactics that clearly don't have the intended effect on him that you would like.

    •  having tender feelings is kinda a hallmark (1+ / 0-)
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      or being liberal. And I don't mean that in a bad way. We are typically more sympathetic and empathetic. It's what makes us better, if you ask me. In situations such as these it can be a detriment.

      This comment may not be reproduced or excerpted on other sites without my express written permission.

      by psilocynic on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:35:39 PM PDT

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  •  I agree with Rachel Maddow on this. (13+ / 0-)

    Pledges aren't working well for the GOP so why would we start one.

    I will do everything I can thought to help fight the GOP another way.

  •  Want to play some poker with me? (8+ / 0-)

    Bring lots of cash, please.

    The more cash you bring, the more cash you might win.

    [Heh]

    The PCCC might be good at campaign issues, but the PCCC clearly doesn't understand political posturing and tactics.

    Both sides are bluffing. Apparently, the PCCC doesn't realize this.

    President Obama is positioned to win this one big time. Be patient.

    "All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats" - Groucho Marx

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:25:52 PM PDT

  •  Are we now signing pledges? Because it works for (8+ / 0-)

    Republicans?

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:26:00 PM PDT

  •  Well... (4+ / 0-)
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    Seeds, second gen, FiredUpInCA, Tanya

    If a former staffer feels that way then I guessing all of this hysteria validated.  Where do I sign?!?

    "Jesus, does President Obama start anything on time anymore? It's like being in a club and waiting for Lauryn Hill show to being."- The Rude Pundit live-whiskey blogging Obama's Big Damn Middle East Policy

    by lcj98 on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:26:49 PM PDT

  •  2008 Obama Staffers and your timing is this (0+ / 0-)

    fucking stupid?

  •  I'm working for Obama .... (14+ / 0-)

    because he's working for us and I don't see anyone else who can step up to the plate and accomplish as much as he's done.

    My social security will start over the next year or two, so I don't want my benefits cut, or my children to do without it ... but I've seen the enemy, and it's not Obama!

    http://cultureid.com

    by debk on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:35:14 PM PDT

  •  why does "bold progressives" (7+ / 0-)

    only do dump & run diaries without ever staying around to discuss?

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:36:01 PM PDT

  •  I think you and Jane Hampshire (6+ / 0-)

    have every right to say what you think and to encourage others to join you, but you don't get my support because what your claiming is happening is nothing short of parsing words and presenting them out of context.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 12:57:04 PM PDT

  •  I said this was stupid before... (5+ / 0-)

    ...and I'll say it now.

    First, nothing's agreed to until something is agreed to.  Second, where's the gain?  The alternative is truly worse.  It's not just a scare tactic.  Practically, you have somebody who will put minor cuts on the table when forced into high-stakes bargaining, as opposed to somebody who won't even need to bargain with the Republicans, just strategize with them, and bargain with the Senate with a veto on any result.

    We continue to try and catch up with the opportunities we lost by trying a similar approach with 2010.  We don't gain any new opportunities to change policy, instead, we just lose future opportunities and fight harder from further disadvantage than before next time around.

    Simple question: In the years since Republicans successfully urged the disempowering of workers and unions in the Midwest, what has happened to those states economies?

    by Stephen Daugherty on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 01:06:46 PM PDT

  •  So as someone else mentioned in another diary.... (5+ / 0-)

    You go into a voting booth in November 2012 and there are really 2 choices:  (1) President Obama, who has against amazing odds, brought us HCR which we've been trying to pass for 50+ years, gotten bin Laden, drawn down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, although slower than I would have wished, overturned DADT, extended unemployment benefits to many long term workers, saved our auto industry....etc.  Yeah - he aint perfect but he's trying.  And (2) some right-wing wack job who will expand the policies you see rampant in Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, and other states where Republicans have taken over. This is absolute bat-sh*t insanity.
    I see Obama's gamesmanship with the GOPers right now as pretty brilliant poker or chess - making them look like fools - and pssssst - he's not gonna cut Social Security of Medicare - it's part of the ploy to make people realize how beholding to big corporations the GOPers are - that they would turn down his cuts to protect the low taxes, perks and deregulation of the guys who line their pockets.  
    So, go ahead and grumble.  Don't pitch in to help. Withhold your donations.  But please don't stay home and not vote for more and better Democrats.  Not voting or voting for a GOPer in protest has led us to the battles we are fighting across this country at a state level to regain sanity. Can you imagine what chaos would ensue if we have a crack pot like Walker or Scott or Snyder or even worse, Bachmann or Palin or Gingritch or Perry in the White House?  

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." A. Einstein

    by moose67 on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 01:15:35 PM PDT

  •  Should we volunteer or donate (4+ / 0-)

    if Obama stands firm and we end up defaulting and the economy is destroyed. Granted the Republicans will lose anyway after that so donating or volunteering won't be as necessary to prevent a President Bachmann or President Perry or President Romney. The only way I see for America to win is if we get Obama reelected with veto proof majorities in the Congress. I'm pretty sure Progressive Obama would show up for that.

  •  NOT a staffer but "former" staffer (3+ / 0-)
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    Title misleading.  This is a "former" staffer first of all.  Second, Obama's proposal is suggesting a 2 YR. extension to the retirement age.  How exactly does this cut Social Security?  He is not suggesting cutting SS benefits.  Benefits are based on your years of work at the salary you were receiving.  Can someone here explain what cuts in Medicare he is proposing?  I don't believe he is suggesting a lowering of the 80% coverage.  I believe it is a cut in the percentage paid by Medicare for particular tests and procedures? This could be a good thing in that perhaps it will halt unnecessary tests that are ordered without a thought and un-needed.  I will say I am concerned that some doctors will stop taking Medicare patients, or patients will not be able to afford the co-pays that will result. What I don't understand about Progressives is the fact if they don't get everything they want and on their schedule they threaten to boycott Obama's re-election bid.  Progressives are a small percentage of the Democratic Party and too far left for me in fact.  Constantly on the warpath because Obama doesn't adhere to everything they demand.  Guess what folks, Obama is President of ALL the people, not just Progressives.  Who you going to vote for then?  Repugs and Teabaggers?  Good luck with that.

  •  The ultimate penalty for not supporting and (5+ / 0-)

    electing Obama in  2012 is what happens to the Supreme Court.  I can swallow a lot of stuff to protect what little that I like that comes out of the court now.  Just think what it would be like if a Republican president got to nominate the next Supreme Court justice.  Ninety percent of the progress that has been made since the 1970s would probably go down the tank.  To me, that is scarry!

  •  Wow, very interesting (2+ / 0-)
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    churchylafemme, maxschell

    It kind of makes you wonder how much stronger the opposition to SS cuts has to get before Obama abandons them.

    Why is he doing this?  Its like committing political suicide.

    "My father always told me that all businessmen were sons of bitches, but I never believed it until now." - JFK during the 1962 Steel Crisis

    by Betty Pinson on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 02:30:22 PM PDT

  •  LOL (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jan4insight, splashoil

    I don't mean to be so dismissive, but...sorry. lol

  •  I'm not a tea partier (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jan4insight, Radical def

    I'm not going to start foaming at the mouth going "No! No cuts ever,ever,ever,ever,ever!!! And if you do cut, I'll throw you out of office so someone more likely to make DESTRUCTIVE instead of CONstructive cuts comes in."

    It is possible to make cuts and still strengthen the program. Ignoring that in favor of frothy, kneejerk positions is utter foolishness.

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Thu Jul 14, 2011 at 03:19:09 PM PDT

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