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A series of polls from the networks (ABC/WaPo, CBS, NBC/WSJ), Pew and Gallup have given us a broad picture of where the public is at with our debt crisis (and yes, they see it as a crisis.)

CBS poll

Some highlights from the polls:

CBS


CBS: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis
CBS: Support for debt ceiling increase doubles
CBS: Compromise should include tax increases (66%)
CBS: Only 3% want tax increases alone
CBS: Three in four Americans would prefer to see an agreement they do not fully support than for the U.S. to go into default (14%)

CBS poll

Pew


Pew: Republicans see no crisis
Pew: The public expresses far more confidence in President Obama than it does in congressional leaders of both parties

Gallup


Gallup: 2/3 of Americans would like government officials to agree to a compromise plan
Gallup: Fewer than 3 in 10 want lawmakers who share their views to hold out for their desired plan.
Gallup:  A majority of Republicans, independents, and Democrats favor reaching a compromise

ABC-WaPo poll

ABC/Washington Post


ABC/WaPo: Americans by 67-24 percent put the GOP ahead when it comes to looking out for the interests of large business corporations.
ABC/WaPo: Obama leads the GOP by 18 points in looking out for middle-class Americans, 53-35 percent
ABC/WaPo: 58% of Republicans say their leaders are not doing enough to strike a deal, up from 42 percent in March
ABC/WaPo: Majorities of Americans see both President Obama and congressional Republicans as not willing enough to compromise in their budget negotiations, but the public views the GOP leaders as particularly intransigent
ABC/WaPo: Among independents, 79 percent say Republicans aren’t willing enough to make a deal, while 62 percent say the same of Obama

NBC/WSJ


NBC/WSJ poll

NBC/WSJ: A plurality of Americans—38%—said the debt ceiling should be raised, against 31% who said it shouldn't. A month ago 39% said the debt limit shouldn't be raised, while 28% said it should.
NBC/WSJ: While 62% of all Americans, and 61% of political independents, said the GOP should agree to raise taxes to get a deal on the debt ceiling, 46% of Republicans—a clear plurality—and 58% of tea-party supporters said the GOP should make no such deal. Congressional Republicans face the choice between an activist base that energized their landslide victory in last year's midterm elections and political independents, who tend to decide elections in presidential election years.
NBC/WSJ: 58% said they supported Mr. Obama's approach, a $4 trillion deficit-reduction plan over 10 years that would cut federal spending, including on Medicare, and raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy. In comparison, 36% said they backed the leading proposal among congressional Republicans.

The bottom line from the WSJ:

Republicans who have refused to compromise with President Barack Obama to avoid a U.S. debt default are heeding the anti-tax wishes of their conservative base but are also risking isolation from many independent voters as public opinion shifts in favor of getting a deal done, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.
While the public resists entitlement cuts, the pressure for the House GOP to compromise grows every day. They'll be looking for a face-saving out on every statement they make. And it is for that reason the Senate is where the action is, at least for now. It's also why the likely scenario is passing something in the House with a mixture of D and R votes.

Now, aren't you glad Nancy Pelosi is still leader?

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  •  Republicans will be looking for (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, TofG

    something that gets them re-elected, and does not get them primaried out first.

    We can have change for the better.

    by phillies on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:04:29 AM PDT

    •  poor them (6+ / 0-)
      Congressional Republicans face the choice between an activist base that energized their landslide victory in last year's midterm elections and political independents, who tend to decide elections in presidential election years.

      "Republicans are in a very, very ticklish and difficult position," said Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster who directs the Journal/NBC poll with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:07:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  But they can get that... (1+ / 0-)
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      TofG

      ...during the unavoidable fight over the FY12 Budget.

      They are proving to the Financial Elites that they are counterproductive allies. It won't cause them to contribute less to the GOP, but it may cause them to go back to the traditional "fund both sides to rough parity."

      After the funding disparity in 2010, that will be a welcome change of circumstances.

      The so-called "rising tide" is lifting only yachts.

      by Egalitare on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:16:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  heroics (0+ / 0-)

        It could be that many Republicans will look heroic when they "bite the bullet" and accept compromise.Those in safe districts will stay "pure,"  those in swing districts will hold their noses and compromise.  Pundits will call them heroes--putting patriotism over purity.  Remember, R's own most media and are very good at framing the discussion.

        Apres Bush, le deluge.

        by melvynny on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:41:33 AM PDT

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    •  wonder how getting the US credit rating (0+ / 0-)

      lowered will play in Peoria?

  •  how does the people's budget poll? nt (6+ / 0-)

    please be advised that nothing in this comment should be construed as an endorsement of a third-party or third-party candidate

    by wbgonne on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:07:38 AM PDT

    •  can't find anyone that's asked the Q (8+ / 0-)

      alas.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:09:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  pick any color you like as long as it's red (1+ / 0-)
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        ferg

        doesn't say much about what the people really want

        no one has even polled the people's budget? disgraceful

        please be advised that nothing in this comment should be construed as an endorsement of a third-party or third-party candidate

        by wbgonne on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:14:01 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  not really (2+ / 0-)
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          gchaucer2, ratcityreprobate

          it has no chance of passing. Pollsters don't poll poeple who have no chance of winning (despite complaints for their campaigns.)

          But I wish they'd do so.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:19:27 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  like i said: red or red, your choice (0+ / 0-)

            which is the problem not the answer

            imagine that the people's budget were polled and imagine that it polls fantastically well (as i am quite certain it would)

            is that irrelevant bc "it won't pass"?

            shouldn't whether something "won't pass" be somehow connected to what the american people want?

            shouldn't we first learn what the american people want and then talk about what will and won't pass?

            rhetorical questions, sadly

            the system is utterly broken and a dramatic response is required

            please be advised that nothing in this comment should be construed as an endorsement of a third-party or third-party candidate

            by wbgonne on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:33:14 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  don't think it is on the radar (0+ / 0-)

      BBC this morning said that if the Gang of Six's plan of 2/3 spending cuts and 1/3 tax increases does not pass, US credit will be downgraded to BBB+.  Obama spent a lot of time on the phone with Merkel who relied the word from the German bankers that they were tired of the TP and it was time for the adults to take over again.

      amazing how bankers lose respect for you once you get so far in the hole to them

  •  This (3+ / 0-)
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    stewarjt, A Runner, wbgonne
    ...where the public is at with our debt crisis (and yes, they see it as a crisis.)

    is how the GOP wins. They completely manufacture a "crisis" out of nothing, and get the Democrats to start bargaining.

    •  it is easier to hold stuff up (1+ / 0-)
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      Egalitare

      than to pass it.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:20:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I couldn't tell if "crisis" referred to the (1+ / 0-)
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      askew

      potentiality of a default or the debt itself.  The possibility of default is indeed a "crisis", one that must be addressed with urgency.

      •  Neither is a crisis (0+ / 0-)

        If I'm not mistaken, when the tax cuts for the rich expire, the long-term debt is no longer a problem. And even if it is, it's a not a "crisis," it's a long-term problem.

        And as for the ceiling, there is absolutely no crisis. It's completely fictional. The GOP isn't responding to a crisis, they are creating one.

    •  I see this differently (0+ / 0-)

      I think the "debt crisis" refered to is the debt ceiling being held hostage not that there is a crisis with the actual debt.

      "Turns out, old folks may be cranky, they may not want you kids on their lawn, but they still want those kids to be taken care of when they are old." QAZPLM

      by hkorens on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:41:41 AM PDT

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  •  Gotta love the American public (6+ / 1-)
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    wbgonne, sherlyle, skillet, Egalitare, itzik shpitzik, TofG
    Hidden by:
    tb mare

    Cut taxes and reduce the size of government but balance the budget and don't forget to build new roads, bridges, keep an eye on Wall Street, stop and punish big polluters, and hover over the sort of people who want to rip us off more closely, cut spending but give us all the social services we want and give us a really strong social safety net, cut taxes but give us all the social services we want and give us a really strong social safety net, and help give us jobs but don't do anything that might allow the government to do that.

    Oh, and find me a chocolate-covered cheesecake covered in a melted lard and dulce de leche sauce that curbs heart disease and helps me lose weight.

    You can phrase a poll question two ways to get two totally opposite answers from the same person in the same polling session about the same topic if you know how.

    •  you're missing a few (6+ / 0-)

      Cut services for "them" but not for me.
      Raise "their" taxes but not mine.
      Stand firmly on principles but compromise.
      It's vital to come to a deal, but only on the terms I like.

      Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

      by SottoVoce on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:13:47 AM PDT

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    •  My new favorite (1+ / 0-)
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      TofG

      "Yes, we must curb entitlements", turns into "No, don't touch any entitlements" once the various entitlement programs are mentioned by name and people know what is at stake instead of just blowing Village-speak smoke out of their asses.

      I've got the Las Vegas Sun and the Las Vegas Review Journal to give me a stroke and an ulcer at the same sitting reading the polls.

      It's almost as if a great deal of people getting polled don't know what they are talking about, are wrong or misinformed about events and issues, and don't have the slightest idea what an entitlement (or whatever they are being polled about at the time) is.

      All they know that people on the tv said they were bad. Or something.

      Thank God for Nancy Pelosi.

      God Help us if anyone from Steny Hoyer to Heath Shuler was calling the shots right now in the House.

    •  Too bad we can't just let them see (3+ / 0-)
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      A Runner, TofG, LeftHandedMan

      for themselves what would happen if they got their way and that evil gubmint went away for, say, 90 days.
      What an eye-opener that would be!  
      Can't do it, of course.  But it's so frustrating to hear so many people who don't know what they're talking about yelling at the top of their lungs.  
      Have we EVER had a congress so utterly uninformed before?  Have we ever had a congress so hellbent on doing something so self-destructive before?
      Standing by your principles, right or wrong, is one thing.  It's quite another to force an entire nation to drink from your poison cup so as to soothe your ruffled feathers.

      •  been there, done that (3+ / 0-)
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        sherlyle, TofG, LeftHandedMan

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:27:57 AM PDT

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      •  there are none so blind as those who refuse (1+ / 0-)
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        sherlyle

        to see; add to that you can lead a blind horse to water but can't make him drink which combine to explain the futility of trying to convince them of anything

        •  I suppose that if they were given their heads (1+ / 0-)
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          entlord

          and got to see for themselves the results of their insistence, they STILL wouldn't see.  Somehow, it'd be all the fault of the DFH.  Again.  

          •  I highlighted this in APR this am (1+ / 0-)
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            sherlyle

            from Cillizza:

            Cutting through all the numbers, the reality for many Republicans is that they simply don’t believe that we are on the verge of crisis, and it’s virtually impossible — given their distrust of the country’s major institutions — for anyone or anything to convince them otherwise.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:19:49 AM PDT

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            •  And that's what I mean by "Has this ever happened (2+ / 0-)
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              entlord, DemFromCT

              before"?  We've had senators and congresspeople who were idealogues before, sure.  But have we ever had a bunch of people so dedicated to ideas that have been proven wrong over and over and over again?  
              Confronted with proof that you've been mistaken, normal people change their minds.  These guys just double and triple down on the wrong ideas.  And they're dragging all of us over the cliff with them!

              •  more... (1+ / 0-)
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                sherlyle
                As negotiations around the debt ceiling continue, House conservatives are continuing to argue that the Obama administration is overstating the threat posed by crashing into the debt ceiling – and are suggesting that any default will be because President Obama chooses to allow that to happen.

                On ABC’s “Top Line” today, Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, told us that the president can continue to pay bills that come due even after August 2, the date that the Treasury Department has said will force the government to being defaulting on its obligations without further borrowing being authorized.

                http://blogs.abcnews.com/...

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:47:59 AM PDT

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                •  They believe they can blackmail Dems (1+ / 0-)
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                  DemFromCT

                  into giving them whatever they ask for, because WE will be the adults and avoid default no matter what the cost otherwise.  It'll be Obama's fault for not meeting all of their demands.  They've destroyed the very idea of democracy.  They're LYING to all of us..they know perfectly well what the consequences would be, and are betting on the Dems being responsible enough to keep it from happening..by giving in.  
                  There are only two choices here.  Either they KNOW this, and they're blackmailing criminals.  Or they DON'T know this, and are therefore way too stupid to be trusted with any decision, let alone one of this magnitude.
                  So which is it, Repubs?  Malice, or Incompetence?  Either way, you should be fired immediately.  

  •  Chaffetz could care less about polls....He has a (2+ / 0-)
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    Egalitare, ratcityreprobate

    lean and hungry look...Right Orrin?

  •  I know I'm one of the few (0+ / 0-)

    but I like the idea of a balanced budget ammendment.

    I don't like the repug plan - but I do like a BBA - it will finally force our Government to face the realities all of us face each day.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:10:02 AM PDT

  •  Of course they have, rec'ed nt (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:14:38 AM PDT

  •  with compromise we are still in deep trouble... (3+ / 0-)
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    itzik shpitzik, DemFromCT, A Runner
    While the public resists entitlement cuts, the pressure for the House GOP to compromise grows every day. They'll be looking for a face-saving out on every statement they make. And it is for that reason the Senate is where the action is, at least for now. It's also why the likely scenario is passing something in the House with a mixture of D and R votes.

    I am off my metas! Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above join the DAILY KOS UNIVERSITY "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03)

    by annieli on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:16:05 AM PDT

    •  Don't think there are enough D & R votes in the (0+ / 0-)

      House to pass the Gang of Six plan if it looks like the latest iteration I saw of tax increases, slashing Medicaid and cutting SS benefits.  It will be hard for Boehner and Cantor to get more than 30 votes for anything that involves a tax increase and there are at least 60 Dems who can't be strong armed into voting to slash any of the big 3 entitlements.

      Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But I repeat myself. Harry Truman

      by ratcityreprobate on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:48:17 AM PDT

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    •  GOP radicalized itself by courting (0+ / 0-)

      Dixiecrats, Christian Zionists and other fringers

  •  Whatever the outcome, I'll be watching a cop show (1+ / 0-)
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    DemFromCT

    ...instead of the self-congratulatory mutual barf-inducing backslapping press conferences and soundbites that will surely flood every available cubic inch of atmosphere once they actually pass something.

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:18:57 AM PDT

  •  Put cutting SS and Medicare into the poll and (5+ / 0-)

    see what the support is.

    I caught some of morning Joe this AM and they are selling this Gang of Six deal as a great deal and are implying Americans are solidly behind it.
    Bull$hit.

    •  the numbers, in WSJ (0+ / 0-)
      On the specifics, however, Democrats who wish to make concessions to the GOP on Social Security and Medicare do so at some political peril. Fifty-two percent of Americans said Democrats shouldn't agree to a deal that cuts or changes those popular entitlement programs; 41% said they definitely shouldn't.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:31:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Same thing was going on last night on the tv. (3+ / 0-)

      Villagers were telling us the gos plan is "serious" with conservatives and "LIBERALS" in the gos.

      I failed to detect a liberal name in the gang because there isnt one there.

      Yet we are being TOLD to like the gos plan.

      The details were easy to locate. Funny thing. None of the villagers provided any data to support their claim that the plan is good. Wonder why?

    •  BBC is pushing the Gang of Six plan (0+ / 0-)

      as the only possible solution but they  are also saying Rupert Murdoch is not going to step down as CEO having been persuaded by supporters that he is the only one able to bring the empire through this crisis and to conduct the investigations and take the necessary remedial actions to ensure this does not happen again.  Rupert oversee the investigation and take corrective action?  This is like asking Nero to help with the architectural plans for rebuilding Rome    

  •  I met this guy in the black hills (2+ / 0-)
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    itzik shpitzik, wbgonne

    recently. a tow truck driver, right winger. His dad gave him the family business, bought him all his equipment, set him up, even gave him a house.

    He believes that all the news about unemployment and hardship in the country is "fiction" just put out by people with a liberal agenda.

    He was utterly convinced that the world is mostly just fine and people are mostly happy.

    Seeing that stat about republicans thinking there is no problem, that's the mentality, exactly - they just pretend everything's fine.

    I think that guy, and a lot of republicans, are in for a nasty cold shower of reality in the next few years as they vote to destroy their own safety nets.

    •  He was born on 2nd base... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and has no idea how close he is to a pick-off play.

      The so-called "rising tide" is lifting only yachts.

      by Egalitare on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:47:09 AM PDT

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    •  how are his A/Rs lately and what does (1+ / 0-)
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      decembersue

      he think about the price of gas?

      •  He didn't think the price of gas was a big (0+ / 0-)

        deal, which I found amusing.

        He also said that he didn't think tourism in the Black Hills had slowed down because of gas prices or the economy, he thought it was because "people think South Dakota is underwater". He actually thought people were not coming to the Black hills because of some media plot to exaggerate the Missouri flooding (which, not surprisingly, does not affect the Black Hills, or any roads leading to it).

        •  then it would do him no good to ask his gas (1+ / 0-)
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          decembersue

          expenses as a percentage of his outlays compared to 5 years ago or his net income now compared to 5 years ago or a comparison of volume.  I have the idea this guy will not be in business for many years after his parents die

  •  So the public prefers a compromise (1+ / 0-)
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    wbgonne

    Which means something like the gos plan to gut the safety net can be sold to the public by our turncoat reps.

    If the gop is sooo wrong, then why are they getting what they want? With every WH offer, the safety nets seems to be cut further.

    Public wanting compromise doesnt mean giving away the farm by gutting Medicare and SS.

    Sounds like the gos plan moves toward privatizing SS. Not acceptable.

  •  talk about putting lipstick on a pig (1+ / 0-)
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    wbgonne

    You completely ignored all the really bad aspects of these polls and spun everything like the country is going to sweep the Dems into office next year.

    I know you want to be positive and uplifting, but the pollyanaism is almost laughable.  I think this makes people relax and ignore the serious problems the Democrats face next year.  Some of the worst spin I've seen in awhile.

    Especially after the Gang of 6 released their plan yesterday.

    •  feel free to list anything I left out (0+ / 0-)

      that's why I provide links.

      There's a wealth of material. I would be most interested to see what you highlight. And then I would like you to make the case that I deliberately hid something.  ;-)

      Here are the actual headlines:

      That's a similar summary as mine.

      Burden of proof for your accusation is on you, particularly because I haven't really talked about the election or claimed anything like you posted.

      What I have posted is that the House GOP hard line is not taking with the public. That's a fact. Read the polls.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:56:38 AM PDT

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      •  How about this (1+ / 0-)
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        DemFromCT

        Calm down, as I said, I understand that you see the glass half full, but others see the glass more than half empty.

        from CBS:

        Handling of Debt Ceiling Negotiations
               Approve Disapprove
        President Obama   43%  48
        Democrats in Congress  31%  58

        Here's the weighting of the CBS Poll

        Total Republicans  214   193 (24%)
        Total Democrats  272   282 (35%)
        Total Independents 324   335 (41%)  

        Skewed to the Dems.

        From the Gallup Poll:

        Americans now by a 20-point margin -- 55% vs. 35% -- say they worry more that the government would raise the debt ceiling without plans for major spending cuts, than that the government would not raise the ceiling and an economic crisis would ensue.
        ...

        Americans would like their representatives in Washington to compromise and get a debt agreement in place before the Aug. 2 deadline, but at the same time are concerned that any such agreement include major spending cuts.

        Americans side with the Republican over Major cuts in government.

        From ABC Poll:

        APPROVAL -– Obama has a 47 percent overall job approval rating, steady since April (excepting a bump in the immediate aftermath of the killing of Osama bin Laden). While just a point from his career low last fall,

        Anyone knows that if you're below 50% you're in trouble.

        NBC Poll:
        You correctly quote;

        58% said they supported Mr. Obama's approach, a $4 trillion deficit-reduction plan over 10 years that would cut federal spending, including on Medicare, and raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy.

        Then conclude:

        While the public resists entitlement cuts

        Oviously, the poll shows the public will go along with entitlement cuts, something many here oppose.

        Different conclusions can be drawn from poll results.  I don't happen to agree with yours, but you did a nice job of presentation, although somewhat incomplete from my perspective, and I'm glad you presented the sunny side.  But don't ignore the clouds gathering.

        •  as to the last point, from MSNBC (0+ / 0-)
          The poll also makes clear that the public is more open to raising taxes to balance the budget than it is making cuts and changes to entitlement programs.

          Sixty-two percent support raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy if that’s the only way to get a debt-ceiling agreement in Congress. But 52 percent say they oppose making changes and cuts in Social Security and Medicare if that’s the only way to get an agreement.

          link

          so I am on firm ground. The polls also show that when push comes to shove, they'd rather go with a plan they do not like than default. That includes entitlements and taxes.

          The desire for cuts was clearly posted by me, with this image:

          The rest of what you posted are welcome additions that really don't change or challenge anything I wrote, despite your slightly provocative (lipstick on a pig, spinning, etc.) claim. They just happen to be a different focus on a different topic (election factors)  than the debt issue, my focus.

          But thanks for the comment. The polls do say those things.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 08:01:20 AM PDT

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        •  and you do know that your (0+ / 0-)

          "skewed to the Dems" claim is pretty soft. Party ID fluctuates, D is more than R these days, and here's NBC/WSJ:

          D 40
          R 32
          I 19
          Other 9

          With rare exception, complaints about Party ID in a given poll are a waste of pixels.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 08:09:28 AM PDT

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          •  Maybe, Maybe not (1+ / 0-)
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            Are your numbers the polling sample, or are they party affiliation results.

            Rasmussen ( a horrible bunch) have affiliation as 39% Rep. 37% Dems.,  Gallup has it 30% Repub, 29% Dems.

            If a poll does not reflect affiliation properly, It can skew political results considerably.

            Since almost all polling puts Dem VS Rep preference very close, I doubt the 40D 32R is truly representative.

            •  well, there's an infinite argument (1+ / 0-)
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              and reweighting polls to fit your conception of what the numbers should be is a waste of time.

              It matters more in horse race when the numbers are close and you want MoE style clarity. But with issues polls, when 3/4 of the public want something, not worth the argument. As you likely know, that's an argument that goes back years. ;-0  

              I'm with those that say publish the numbers and move on.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 10:01:26 AM PDT

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        •  as to this (0+ / 0-)
          Americans side with the Republican over Major cuts in government.

          no, they do not.

          Republican House out of touch with Republican voters who want to raise taxes

          link

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 10:03:28 AM PDT

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    •  I'm still waiting for a response... n/t (0+ / 0-)

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:41:04 AM PDT

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  •  A little more nuanced (1+ / 0-)
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    than your headline suggests:
    Compromise is preferable to nothing
    People are against cutting benefits
    People do not buy into tax increases being a bad thing

    In other words decreasing spending and increasing taxes are not seen as equal - raising taxes especially at the top end is infinitely preferable.

    Very few are buying the increasing taxes on high earnings will make things worse lie.

    Many see cutting entitlements as a very bad thing.

    •  all true, but if you want nuance (0+ / 0-)

      you have to emphasize: the majority of voters would prefer a deal they don't like to defaulting.

      And this:

      How would you have written the headline? I'm curious.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:06:12 AM PDT

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      •  "americans dissatisfied with all dc proposals" (0+ / 0-)

        that's my suggested headline

        please be advised that nothing in this comment should be construed as an endorsement of a third-party or third-party candidate

        by wbgonne on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:15:50 AM PDT

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        •  "but want compromise" n/t (0+ / 0-)

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:22:23 AM PDT

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          •  of course people want "compromise" in the abstract (0+ / 0-)

            we are taught that compromise is preferred over obstinacy and, im general, it is

            what matters, however, is the nature of the compromise

            from what i see, the american people don't like any of the "choices" dc is offering, whether they are considered compromises or not

            what the american people really want is OTHER CHOICES than what the dc overlords are considering

            i think that's the meta-message from all the polling

            please be advised that nothing in this comment should be construed as an endorsement of a third-party or third-party candidate

            by wbgonne on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:29:46 AM PDT

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            •  and that means what? (0+ / 0-)

              they want something passed. The want to avoid a crisis by defaulting.

              Going back to your previous analogy, you can wear the red shirt, or the blue shirt, but you're wearing a shirt. Don't tell me you like orange, you don't have an orange shirt. And you have to put something on.

              I don't care of you don't want to.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:44:10 AM PDT

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              •  what the american people want only matters (0+ / 0-)

                when it is what the dc overlords want

                i believe that is what you are saying

                you have once again conflated the problem with the solution

                please be advised that nothing in this comment should be construed as an endorsement of a third-party or third-party candidate

                by wbgonne on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 08:47:21 AM PDT

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    •  and see these other headlines (0+ / 0-)

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 07:07:46 AM PDT

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  •  Y2K crisis or debt ceiling crisis (1+ / 0-)
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    Are they real or are they Memorex? It doesn't matter as long as you can get folks worked up into enough of a frenzy to pick their pockets once again.

    Depressions may bring people closer to the church but so do funerals - Clarence Darrow

    by nomorerepukes on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 06:41:25 AM PDT

  •  TP has gone over the edge (0+ / 0-)

    email making the rounds allege that the Feds are preparing to arrest

    even farther than usual.  An email is making the rounds alleging the Feds are preparing to arrest Guv Perry because of his national day of prayer he is hosting.  Somehow Obama is pissed over this failure to separate church and state and is going to block the celebration by arresting Perry.  And you thought Stalin was bad.

    The kernel of truth is a civil suit has been filed against Perry to make sure he does not use his office or its resources to promote this event.  Then the information became garbled.

    The TP is so far over the edge that people are finally starting to catch onto them

    gov. Perry

  •  Ya hear that PROGRESSIVES?? (0+ / 0-)

    These polls are talking to you too...This "THE BIG 3 ARE OFF THE TABLE" isn't going to fly anymore. We all know something needs to be done to make sure they don't go broke and president obama wants to fix/tweak these programs so they are there for another 75 years. I would rather he fix the than President Bachmann or TEABAG congress. If we can flip the house back to democrats and keep the senate than obama can go and salvage these programs which means they have to be on the table.

  •  Nice Roundup of Polls..... (0+ / 0-)

    Obama is using the bully pulpit effectively these days.  He needs to keep it up.  Eric Cantor tried to fight back on the floor of the House the other day.  He was yelling, gesticulating & hamming it up big time.

    Eric has now morphed into the drama queen of the Republican party.  He's trying to compete w/ Obama who is on the road & in front of the American people.  

    Looks like only 3% of the country wants what Eric wants....no tax increases.  66% wants a combo of cuts & increased taxes.  Obama needs to keep talking.

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