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The French Revolution began in 1789 with the convocation of the Estates-General in May.

The next few years were dominated by tensions between various liberal assemblies and a right-wing monarchy intent on thwarting major reforms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...

There are differences between today’s America and France despite the obvious similarities. We have no Liberal Wing of Congress or Press, the Progressive Caucus  in the House is a joke they surrender as soon as Obama sneezes.

The closest thing we have to a Liberal Assembile  pushing for change is the Left Wing Blogs informing people and getting the majority support of the American People for Government creating jobs,ending both wars now, taxing the rich more, and not cutting Social Security and Medicare.

The Left Wing Blogs have surprisingly  managed to do this despite no Main Stream Media coverage. To add insult to injury  the MSM’s declining ability to brainwash the American Voters with Right Wing Propaganda is flueing the Growth of the Left Wing Blogs.

The MSM is shrinking in readers/viewers and losing Credibility because instead of informing people about all the ideas about the  issues they are pushing only Right Wing ideas to thwart Lefty major reforms. The Left Wing blogs grow because we allow new ideas and give everyone the freedom to argue for or against the ideas presented and to present their own ideas.

We try to maintain some politeness but we still name call sometimes, we do however insist on facts, links to sources, Statistics etc our lowly commentor’s have more Journalistic ethics than NYT writers like David Brooks, Thomas Friedman and of course Judy Miller. Why when confronted with facts we admit we are wrong, after double checking the facts presented of course.

We have more science Cred than global warming deniers and more economic Cred than the Wallstreet TV talking heads who claimed the Bush economy was great…right before the banking crisis.

Adherents of most historical models identify many of the same features of the Ancien Régime as being among the causes of the Revolution. Economic factors included hungerand malnutrition in the most destitute segments of the population, due to rising bread prices (from a normal 8 sous for a four-pound loaf to 12 sous by the end of 1789),[3] after several years of poor grain harvests. Bad harvests (caused in part by extreme weather from El Niñoalong with volcanic activity at Laki and Grímsvötn), rising food prices, and an inadequate transportation system that hindered the shipment of bulk foods from rural areas to large population centers contributed greatly to the destabilization of French society in the years leading up to the Revolution.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/...

We don’t have bad harvests but we do have a declining store of corn and other crops we are ill prepared if El Nino and or a Volcano hurts our harvests.

We don’t have an inflation problem however food and gas prices are not factored in when inflation numbers are calculated but that does not mean inflation does not exists.

I remember Gas below $2 a gallon its now $4 a gallon in Illinois my wages assuming I had a job did not double during this time period gas is a necessary expense for workers to get to work. Not using gas prices to factor in inflation throws inflation numbers off and lets the ruling classes lie to themselves about how things are not really that bad.

We do unlike France at the time have a system that ships food quite well but on the other hand  we have a system that produces unhealthy food in bulk causing Obesity, Diabetes, Cancer, and Malnutrition these diseases cost our economy as a whole. We may not be starving but we do have serious food issues.

Well we are not starving yet.

Thanks to Global Warming, the Gulf Oil Spill, the Japanese Nuclear problem, coral reefs dying  crop and fish harvests are very likely to be lower.

Commodity prices: Stocks for corn and soybeans are very slim, so prices could climb even higher if production shortages develop this summer. It likely will take two years to better restore low stocks, keeping prices strong and volatile until at least the 2012 crop year. “Price volatility sometimes seems very positive for producers when prices are going up for the products they sell but it also means that there could be periods where prices drop very, very quickly,” Hurt says.

http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/...

Fish catch per capita is no longer increasing
For a while, market demand for fish and dramatic developments in fishing technology – larger fleets, open ocean factory ships, transparent lines and nets, huge drift nets, bottom trawlers and electronic fish finders led to increases in annual catch. However, total annual catch has leveled off. The global fishing fleet capacity is nearly double the sustainable supply. Many populations of formerly abundant high trophic level species (such as cod) have collapsed. Fishermen are now fishing “down the food web” – catching smaller species that used to be considered “bait” or were food for the larger fish that are no longer abundant enough to catch.

http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org/...

Another cause was the state’s effective bankruptcy due to the enormous cost of previous wars, particularly the financial strain caused by French participation in the American Revolutionary War. The national debt amounted to some 1,000–2,000 million[citation needed]livres. The social burdens caused by war included the huge war debt, made worse by the loss of France’s colonial possessions in North America and the growing commercial dominance of Great Britain. France’s inefficient and antiquated financial system was unable to manage the national debt, something which was both partially caused and exacerbated by the burden of an inadequate system of taxation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...

The social burdens caused by America’s huge war along with tax cuts for the rich in wartime made our debt worse. ( I cannot think of any country that cut taxes during wartime from an economic standpoint this maybe the dumbest thing ever in economic history.) Cuts to Social Security and Medicare will further harm the consumer spending our economy is dependent on.

Meanwhile, the royal court at Versailles was seen as being isolated from, and indifferent to, the hardships of the lower classes.

Both the Democrats, Republicans and the Mainstream Media claim to care about the lower classes but their actions vary from their words. Billions to bailout banks, billions for war, tax cuts for the rich all paid for with our Social Security and Medicare money.

Washington is so isolated from reality that  our ideas to fix the budget and create jobs like  ending both wars, selling the gold in Fort Knox that is earning us no interest by the way, closing tax loopholes or taxing the rich more now to create jobs now  get no mention in the press.

Its like we the majority of people don’t even exist. The Press and Washington won’t debate our ideas because they know cutting Social Security and Medicare is unpopular and voters already choose our ideas over their ideas. Yet they claim the only Serious ideas to fix the budget are to cut Social Security and Medicare never mind their plan uses our money to give the rich a tax break. Using Government money to create jobs is of course impossible they say because we are broke. Yet somehow FDR created jobs during the Great Depression is their Counter Argument that America is worse off now than during the Great Depression?

The isolated Rich Elite Ruling Class keep having their fundraisers at strip clubs and drink $350 a bottle wine! Never mind that Party Boy Rep Ryan is now the most unpopular Politician in America the Right Wing Media just  does not see the anger of the People or the danger of angering the people Louis XVI’s fate worries them not.

They think scapegoats like Obama, Illegal Immigrants, Gays, Muslims Lefties, etc will let them get away scott free for destroying our economy. They don’t seem to realize that Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and Fox News were losing viewers even before Rupert’s phone hacking scandal even as the Daily Show gains and remember the Daily Show is not shown in Primetime. I wonder what the ratings and newspaper circulation numbers will be after the phone hacking scandal:)

 Rush Limbaugh’s Ratings Have Fallen 30% In The Last Six Months

The just-released Arbitron report reveals that a lot less people are listening to right-wing talk radio.

http://democratsforprogress.com/...

Jon Stewart came right after Ailes said of the folks at NPR that “They are, of course, Nazis.” And who can forget Bill O’Reilly dismissing Stewart’s audience as a bunch of “stoned slackers.”

Well, Stewart is getting the last laugh. His program on Comedy Central averaged 2.3 million total viewers this May and was 19% higher than May of 2010. The Fox News primetime lineup for May averaged only 1.85 million viewers and declined by 10%. In fact, Stewart beat every program on Fox in total viewers except for Bill O’Reilly. However, projections for demographic breaks of 25-54 and 18-49 suggest that Stewart beat even O’Reilly, likely delivering twice as many demo viewers as O’Reilly.

  http://www.newscorpse.com/...

While in theory King Louis XVI was an absolute monarch, in practice he was often indecisive and known to back down when faced with strong opposition.

Obama and the Democrats surrender on every issue even before they are faced with strong opposition.

Google Obama and Surrender and you get 14,500,000 results on google in .23 seconds. Google Obama Strong Leader you get 3,060 results in 19 seconds. Obama may think compromise is the way to get laws passed but apparently a majority of voters don’t think he is a strong leader or like the laws he is passing.

Obama has a popular majority of the voters supporting him rather than appeal to the people to force Congress the people’s Representatives to represent the Will of the People. Obama seems content to just surrender.

While he did reduce government expenditures, opponents in the parlements successfully thwarted his attempts at enacting much needed reforms. Those who were opposed to Louis’ policies further undermined royal authority by distributing pamphlets (often reporting false or exaggerated information) that criticized the government and its officials, stirring up public opinion against the monarchy.[4]

Obama’s opponents undermine his Presidential authority by questioning his very birth, religion, etc. They report false and exaggerated information and even won a court case arguing that freedom of speech means news organizations need the freedom to lie.

Jane Akre and her husband Steve Wilson are former employees of Fox owned-and-operated station WTVT in Tampa, Florida. In 1997, they were fired from the station after refusing to knowingly include false information in their report concerning the Monsanto Company’s production of RBGH, a drug designed to make cows produce more milk. They successfully sued under Florida’s whistle blower law and were awarded a US $425,000 settlement by jury decision. However, Fox appealed to an appellate court and won, after the court declared that the FCC policy against falsification that Fox violated was just a policy and not a “law, rule, or regulation”, and so the whistle blower law did not apply.

The court agreed with WTVT’s (Fox) argument “that the FCC’s policy against the intentional falsification of the news — which the FCC has called its “news distortion policy” — does not qualify as the required “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102.[...] Because the FCC’s news distortion policy is not a “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102,


http://foxnewsboycott.com/...

Never mind the Racial, anti Woman, Gay, Lefty etc scapegoating that Fox does to rally their 30%er mob of flying monkeys which in other more civilized countries would be called hate speech.

It was the alcohol and drugs talking, not John Galliano.

That’s the defense being used, predictably, by the English fashion designer, who went on trial in Paris today for anti-Semitic rants made at a restaurant in the French capital in October and February. The comments qualify as criminal hate speech in France, where Galliano faces up to six months in prison and a fine of roughly $32,400.


http://blogs.forward.com/...

In civilized countries even the rich and powerful are accountable. In America Lou Dobbs can lie about Illegal Immigrants spreading Leprosy an act I am sure led to some hate crimes maybe even deaths against  Hispanics legal, illegal, Mexican and Non Mexican even as Lou had illegal immigrants working on his horse farm. Racist don't ask if your legal they just see your brown or if you have a Spanish accent since some of us are White or Black.

Mitt Romney can hire Illegal Immigrants fire them, rehire them and still be against illegal immigration but the Right Wing Media never calls him or Lou out on this. The rich in America  can lie, spread hate, scapegoat Out Groups for the economic problems their lets not regulate the Banks policy created and even attack Obama with lies said on public airwaves.

Fine Obama may not like the Left but can any ruler be called strong if he lets himself be attacked this way?

Can any ruler be called effective if the laws he does pass are too Left for his critics and too Right for the Majority of the People? Healthcare that does not cut rising drug costs or insurance costs, job Stimulus thats to small and mostly tax cuts for the rich are what Obama calls his successes?

Obama compromises to get laws passed rather than fight for effective change. Change for the sake of change in name only is winning Obama no friends from the Right or Left.

America is in Crisis and we need strong leaders with new ideas. We need the rich to sacrifice now and pay more taxes so the government can create jobs. Its been 2 years Obama the rich sitting on their $2 Trillion in savings are not going to create jobs no matter how long you wait hoping like a bride with wilted flowers outside a church after dark hoping that your rich guy in the end will do right by you.

The Right hopes to use the economic crisis as a Shock Doctrine tactic to get power and steal our Social Security and Medicare they want to scapegoat the poor, the dark, the left etc and blame us for America’s troubles.

But as this diary points out America is not Germany after World War 1 its France Pre revolution. Rush and all of Fox News is losing People and if Obama refuses to lead either we replace him peacefully or there will be a revolution.

Originally posted to Things Come Undone on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:25 AM PDT.

Also republished by Trolls and ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement.

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  •  Nah (0+ / 0-)
    But as this diary points out America is not Germany after World War 1 its France Pre revolution. Rush and all of Fox News is losing People and if Obama refuses to lead either we replace him peacefully or there will be a revolution.

    Don't panic. Demonstrate.

    by Quicklund on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:28:36 AM PDT

  •  Let them eat cake becomes (1+ / 0-)
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    Let Them Eat Peas

  •  Feh! n/t (4+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:31:17 AM PDT

  •  Ahhh...L'Internationale warbling (1+ / 0-)
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    Unit Zero

    never get old.

    Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

    by zonk on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:31:48 AM PDT

  •  Perhaps if you send Obama (8+ / 0-)

    a powdered wig and some red high heels, the comparison will be complete.

    The people who might be in the streets for some of imagined revolution will not be most of the clever bloggers from this site (unless, of course, there's a concert involved).  The majority of folks who are protesting in WI, OH, MN and elsewhere never read a frigging liberal blog.  They don't have the damned time.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:33:49 AM PDT

    •  Really please present your facts (0+ / 0-)
    •  And for those who do have the time, (5+ / 0-)

      don't just bitch about the progressive caucus - try running for office yourself. I read words like, "the Progressive Caucus  in the House is a joke they surrender as soon as Obama sneezes," and I get pretty irritated. They work hard to hold the line against the pervasive currents of a fickle american electorate. They aren't just folding, they are out gunned and outnumbered. If you think it is so damn easy, try it yourself! And then come back to reality and help us forge good coalition government.

      •  I can think of several instances (0+ / 0-)

        Where the Progressives compromised folded and in the end got nothing, Gay Rights, National Healthcare, the Dream Act.
           I can think of several instances where the GOP got everything they wanted when Dems were in power and Bush was in the WH.
            Get irritated all you like I believe in holding our own accountable.

        •  ' Dems were in power and Bush was in the WH' (0+ / 0-)

          how is that even possible? WH doesn't count?

          •  Not sure what your question is? (0+ / 0-)

            Bush had to deal with Dem majorities he got a tax cut in war time for the rich. He got No Child Left behind passed a truly bad idea with no funding.
                I am sure everyone at Koz can point to things Bush did that he got passed his way no compromise.
                Obama despite having much more popularity than Bush to begin with a Dem House and Senate started compromising and got weak healthcare passed that did not control drug or insurance price rises.
                 He did not end torture, get rid of NAFTA, etc.

            •  When NCLB passed Dems had very limited power. (0+ / 0-)

              They did control the Senate by one vote and had no control of the House. Also, it was not perceived as a terrible idea at the time but rather as a bipartisan compromise supported by Ted Kennedy. Second round of tax cuts passed when Republicans had complete control of Congress in 2003. Yeah, first round had Dem support. Bush was very popular immediately post-9/11, btw. When he wasn't (2006-2008), he passed nothing.

        •  Yeah, the health care law we got is worse then (0+ / 0-)

          nothing. And the repeal of don't ask, don't tell is rubbish. And the stimulus bill certainly didn't save the economy from sliding over the cliff. Oh, and they didn't save the auto industry, either. You are totally right; the progressie caucus is worthless.

  •  How I would love to see (5+ / 0-)

    this diarist and Obama swap jobs for a day.

    You cannot enlighten the unconscious.

    by cassandracarolina on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:37:10 AM PDT

    •  Sure (0+ / 0-)

      I will get Keynesian economists and FDR historians and ask them what Keynes and FDR would do in this situation.
          Then I would do it I would not listen to Neo Hoovers like Ben Bernanke or wall street welfare queens like Geithner for economic advice.
         I would end both wars President is Commander and Chief and then say to the People we have X amount of dollars call you House Rep and Senator if you want that money spent on jobs, SS and Medicare.

  •  Title- (1+ / 0-)
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    Louis, not 'Louisi'.  Might want to fix that.

  •  Wrong historical analogy (1+ / 0-)
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    A better one would be to compare Obama to Alexander Kerensky, with the GOP playing the part of the Bolsheviks.

    If the fall of the house of Murdoch is a tragedy, it is the feel-good tragedy of the century-James Wolcot

    by beltane on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:41:20 AM PDT

  •  Why? (3+ / 0-)

    Why are you comparing 18th century France to 21st century USA?  That makes no sense.

    •  Those who don't know history are (0+ / 0-)

      Doomed to repeat it and it looks to me like we are repeating it.

      •  There is no comparison. (1+ / 0-)
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        The only similarity between the two is that a lot of money was spent and owed.  Eveything else, not similar even though it may seem like it.

        "Jesus, does President Obama start anything on time anymore? It's like being in a club and waiting for Lauryn Hill show to being."- The Rude Pundit live-whiskey blogging Obama's Big Damn Middle East Policy

        by lcj98 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 10:54:37 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I point out many similarities (0+ / 0-)

          A weak king who liked to compromise and was blocked from doing needed reforms.
             High food prices we have high food and gas prices.
          Louie's Dad stuck Louie with the bills for a lifetime of failed wars bush stuck Obama with the bill for 2 failed wars (ok I should have added that one but the piece was getting long)
                 Louie and Obama both have fake news lying about them.
          Read the wiki link and see more similarities.
              Weak rulers in crisis situations do tend to be deposed thats what we are looking at here now. Hopefully it won't be violent and don't give me the it can't happen here speech.
             

          •  Problems with your comparisons (1+ / 0-)
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            1. Louis XVI was in his mid to late-teens when he inherited the throne from his grandfather.  Those "compromises" were his advisors saying "sign this".

            2. The high food were caused by two factors: the perpetual war that Europe was in and the famine that France was in.

            3. It wasn't just the wars Louis XV "lost", it was the "cottage" called Versailles and fighting the Protestants everytime he got gas.

            4. The fake news wasn't against Louis XVI, it was against his Austian wife, Marie Antoinette, because she didn't produce an heir quick enough and because she was allegedly spending money like it was going out of style.

            5. There was no indication of his weakness, the people were pissed because of his wife.

            6. Louis was executed for treason.

            Similarities??  Unless Pres. Obama became an abolute monarchist in the past 18 hours...

            "Jesus, does President Obama start anything on time anymore? It's like being in a club and waiting for Lauryn Hill show to being."- The Rude Pundit live-whiskey blogging Obama's Big Damn Middle East Policy

            by lcj98 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 12:37:38 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Cognitive Dissonance is not only a GOP trait I see (0+ / 0-)

              1) Obama is listening to his advisers and not his campaign promises

              2) I point out that higher food prices are likely and list reasons why, higher gas prices we already have

              3) The reasons for the debt are less important than there was debt and when food prices went up France could not afford to buy its people food. Right now we are debating how much to cut spending on SS and Medicare I am sure you can see the similarities

              4) It was against Louie ultimately you attack a man's wife you attack him or have you forgotten the job the GOP did on Hilary and how it effected Bill's poll numbers.

              5) A man who won't defend his wife is weak, a man who lets others question his birth, religion etc is weak go into a bar and insult people's wives, birth or religion all three will get you beat up

              6) Hopefully Obama reads this diary and avoids that fate.

              Similarities??  Unless Pres. Obama became an abolute monarchist in the past 18 hours...

              Nope just President of the most powerful country in the world

              •  ??? (0+ / 0-)

                Not sure what the Clinton's have to do with this but whatever man.

                "Jesus, does President Obama start anything on time anymore? It's like being in a club and waiting for Lauryn Hill show to being."- The Rude Pundit live-whiskey blogging Obama's Big Damn Middle East Policy

                by lcj98 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 02:48:31 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  The attacks on Hilary (0+ / 0-)

                  Are like the attacks on Louie's wife Bill was President fine attack him I would prefer they attacked his ideas but the GOP went personal and attacked his wife to further smear him.
                     When elections are about ideas the Left wins. When elections are about Gossip the GOP wins since they control the Media.

  •  Context is crucial: (5+ / 0-)
    Google Obama and Surrender and you get 14,500,000 results on google

    How many of those link to diaries here at dailykos? :)

    Pas de bras, pas de chocolat!

    by nominalize on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 09:55:26 AM PDT

  •  Not so much... (2+ / 0-)
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    -6.25 -7.08 The glass is neither half-full nor half-empty. The glass is just twice as large as it needs to be.

    by Unit Zero on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 10:15:41 AM PDT

  •  Um, (2+ / 0-)
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    I can think of fewer things less analogous to the current political climate than the French Revolution. Go ahead, revolt and make someone more progressive than Obama the Democratic nominee for president next year. The GOP is begging you. Or just as well, do a Ralph Nader and divide the party vote with a splinter candidate who has no possibility of winning.

    •  Really (0+ / 0-)

      Obama’s Approval Rating on the Economy Drops to 31% Among Liberals, 50% Among African Americans
      http://firedoglake.com/....

      Just how low do the polls have to get before you start seeing similarities? Give me a number:)

       The only reason Obama is not facing riots right now is because the GOP polls worse than Obama.

      •  "Give me a number" (0+ / 0-)

        negative infinity + one billionity

        "Jesus, does President Obama start anything on time anymore? It's like being in a club and waiting for Lauryn Hill show to being."- The Rude Pundit live-whiskey blogging Obama's Big Damn Middle East Policy

        by lcj98 on Tue Jul 26, 2011 at 12:45:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Give me a break. (0+ / 0-)

        The American public spans a wide variety of views with most people somewhere in the middle. That is why during primaries Democratic candidates promise things like giving trees the right to marry to appeal to the liberal base while Republicans talk about opening a hunting season on illegal aliens to appeal to their base. Then after the primaries the Democratic candidate tacks hard to the center and tries to be seen going to church while the Republican candidate tries to be seen shaking hands with poor people to grab as much of the middle as possible. Any Democratic candidate who stayed pegged to the left would be toast in the general election.

        From a historical perspective Obama's ratings are neither as high as Clinton's, Bush's, Carter's or Reagan's or as low as their lowest levels.

        Considering the bad economy and two unpopular wars Obama inherited I think he is doing remarkably well.

        •  Right that plan worked so well (0+ / 0-)

          Last election the Dems lost Ted Kennedy's Senate seat arguably the safest Dem seat there Ever was. Your ideas worked before not now.

          •  Martha Coakley didn't lose Kennedy's seat (0+ / 0-)

            because she wasn't liberal enough. She lost because she ran a lousy campaign. The seat was hers to lose but she became overconfident, thought simply being a Democrat was enough to get her elected and then coasted until it was too late to regain the momentum.

            •  Lousy Campaigner (0+ / 0-)

              Really how can you complain about the sales job if the product your selling does not attract consumers?
                  Look at young and minority turnout in that race it was down
              the later GOP taking over the House were they all bad campaigners or did the Dems have nothing to sell to voters as accomplishments?
                   Given the Tea Baggers low ratings now you can't say the Tea Baggers won on their ideas or the country is going Right.
                   Obama after all is more popular now than the Tea Baggers because people like the Baggers ideas less than Obama.
                   People want change The Dems lost because they did not deliver change.
                 The Tea Baggers change however voters realize is not the Change they want.

              •  Sigh. (0+ / 0-)

                Voters are leaving the Democratic and Republican parties in droves. Independents look at both parties with distain. They feel like they are being asked to pick between the lesser of evils. Just because voters want change it doesn't mean they want your brand of change.

  •  The more historical analogies, the better (1+ / 0-)
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    I've never understood the mindset that says, "We should think less about this to understand it better."

  •  Left wing bloggers getting the majority support (0+ / 0-)

    of people. That is funny.

    •  Here are my facts please show yours (0+ / 0-)

      Government creating jobs, Ending both wars now, not cutting Social Security and Medicare are majority positions with the voters.

       These are Lefty Positions advocated by the Lefty Blogs to the Left of Obama don't link us with his polling. We already have a majority of the voters support on the issues the voters care most about.

         Now then if Obama and the GOP cut SS and Medicare  

      Americans break into two roughly evenly matched camps on the question of whether the government should enact heavy taxes on the rich to redistribute wealth in the U.S. Forty-seven percent believe the government should redistribute wealth in this way, while 49% disagree, similar to views Gallup found four years ago.

      http://www.gallup.com/...

        Its real hard to believe that America would move further to the Right and demand more tax cuts for the rich as their benefits are cut.
           There is a reason why Obama is polling better than any President with unemployment and gas prices so high.
          The reason is the GOP instead of saying they will have government create jobs which is the most important issue for voters  is instead pushing tax cuts for the rich. The voters after 8 years of Bush and 2 years of Obama saying tax cuts will create jobs are still waiting for those jobs. The GOP Presidential Candidates are trying to sell voters on the issue they consider the most important not only a lie, but a lie with 10 years real world evidence proving otherwise.

          If Obama loses the election  it will be because he listened to the GOP on taxes and cut our SS and Medicare.
      America goes into revolution if the rich get a tax cut paid for with our SS and Medicare.
          Did you not read the part in my article where Rush, Glen and Fox News all lost huge amounts of ratings recently?
          Can you think of another reason for the ratings loss?

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