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First, raise the debt ceiling until December 31, 2012, without it being contingent on cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or increases in taxes or cuts in taxes or cuts in spending.

First, raise the debt ceiling until December 31, 2012, without it being contingent on cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or increases in taxes or cuts in taxes or cuts in spending.

The attempt to resolve all these issues at once as a moment of reckoning arrives was never a good idea. It guarantees that the people we were sent here to represent will lose -- either in the details of a rushed grand bargain or to the consequences of default.

Take the debate to the American people in the next election. Ask the American people if they want cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, increases in taxes, what kind of cuts in spending, what kind of jobs programs.

For those who say that's what we were sent here to do, claim your victory. You came here and you changed the terms of debate, but you lose the debate if America defaults.

You win if you bring this debate in every district in America in the 2012 election. And when you go home people will thank you for being able to focus America's attention on these fiscal issues.

But you may be surprised to learn that the American people did not want us to burn down the house in an argument over the height of the ceiling.

See video of this address here.

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  •  Class Warfare Argument (6+ / 0-)

    The GOP is waging class warfare on the middle class and poor.  They demand there tax cuts and tax loop holes like screaming two year olds.  Dems need to start framing the GOP in these terms.

    I agree we need to pay our bills but we don't need to throw grandma into the streets to do it.

  •  The markets and job creators want 'certainty'. (3+ / 0-)
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    SJerseyIndy, Joieau, dewley notid

    Notice they never finish the sentence.

    They want certainty of what?

    Demand.  They want to know for certain that they will have enough demand that they need to hire on additional staff to meet demand.

    No 'grand bargain' that includes hundreds of billions or trillions in cuts to the spending that creates demand will give them that certainty.

    Only increased spending will increase demand at this point.

  •  Congressman, you're obviously out of the loop (0+ / 0-)

    I think we can all agree that what is happening now, all the plans on the table, are awful.  But that's what there is to prevent a default.

    To propose a sort of "pie in the sky" "what we should do" back to the drawing board solution such as yours suggests that you're not really in the loop of the major players in Congress.

    A clean bill through just after the 2012 elections is on no major power player's agenda right now, so what's the point of your suggesting it?

    More realistically, how would you propose that the Reid plan get passed in the House (ie with Democrats and a few moderate Republicans) and then how could Congress begin undoing the damage and remedying the lack of revenue increases after the Reid bill is passed and signed into law.

    •  This is classic: (2+ / 0-)
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      Edger, dewley notid

      One of the attacks on Dennis when he brings attention to stupidity is:

      What's your solution?!

      Then, he provides one... and gets attacked for so doing.

      By someone who attacks him in diaries attacking Dennis.

      Forgive HamdenRice, for he knows not what he wants.

      Except to launch more attacks on Dennis...

      More and Better Democrats

      by SJerseyIndy on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 08:17:03 AM PDT

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      •  What good are his solutions if he's a party of 1 (0+ / 0-)

        Anyone can come up with a better situation than the one we're in right now.

        We elect representatives to work with their party, leadership and the other party to actually get legislation passed.  

        What good is it for Rep. Kucinich to say that if he had is druthers, the whole thing would start over and we'd get a clean debt ceiling rise through 2012 when not a single person with the power to get that done has adopted that position.

        What good are his "solutions" if none of them ever gets implemented because he's off on his own making them up, not getting down and dirty into the process of negotiating and writing legislation that gets passed?

        •  What good are your assumptions... (2+ / 0-)
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          Edger, dewley notid

          about what he is or isn't doing?

          Other than being good for you in launching additional attacks, that is?

          How pathetic.

          More and Better Democrats

          by SJerseyIndy on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 08:31:58 AM PDT

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          •  Your kneejerk defense of Rep Kucinic is duly noted (0+ / 0-)

            but the question remains: what is the point of his proposing this ideal solution now when none of the players in this drama have the slightest interest in adopting it, and probably aren't even aware of the Representative's pronouncements on What Should Be Done?

            Sorry, but this kind of thing just shows how completely irrelevant he is.

            You haven't once tried to explain (nor has he) how this supposedly rational proposal is supposed to get passed when none of the power players are discussing it and probably wouldn't even take the phone calls of the soon to be retired via redistricting congressman.

            •  Your kneejerk attack on Dennis... (1+ / 0-)
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              like your other kneejerk attacks on Dennis in other diaries are duly noted.

              And dismissed in favor of ignoring your continued attacks based in nothing more than assumption and pure ignorance.

              Ever heard of The People's Budget from, like, months and months ago?

              Of course not.


              More and Better Democrats

              by SJerseyIndy on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 09:04:33 AM PDT

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              •  I've read about it (0+ / 0-)

                Was it enacted?


                We hire congress members to (1) come up with ideas, (2) draft them into legislation, (3) work with their own party and the opposing party, and (4) get them passed.

                Simply coming up with (1) ideas and not doing 2-4 is a noble profession: it's called being a professor; it's not called being a congress member.

                •  So, he managed 1 - 3... (0+ / 0-)

                  and because 434 other members failed alongside, it's all his fault?

                  You've now crossed the rubicon.

                  More and Better Democrats

                  by SJerseyIndy on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 01:40:44 PM PDT

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                  •  By that logic, I'm sure you'll agree, therefore (0+ / 0-)

                    that President Obama is not responsible for the failure of the administration to close Gitmo because Congress wouldn't go along with it, and the inability of the administration to get a Public Option in the health care law because Congress wouldn't pass it.

                    I mean, if Kuchy is absolved from responsibility for failure to pass the progressive budget because others wouldn't go along with it, that works for other politicians as well, right?

                    On the other hand, we can see that other politicians at least try to work with others and make progress where they can, whereas Rep. Kuch generally just tosses ideas from the sidelines without actually engaging the party leadership that could move his bills through congress.  Other congressmen get a lot more done that Kuch has gotten done.

  •  You were elected to make these decisions. (1+ / 0-)
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    Throwing it all back into the laps of the people is an abdication of your duties and an abandonment of your job.

    And you're now asking the people to recommend jobs programs?  

    If the people are going to have to do your job, what do we need you for?  Perhaps you should resign so that a qualified representative with intelligence, ideas and follow-through can actually accomplish something.  Today's politicians are useless and a gross embarrassment ... to themselves, and to the country.  Begging that the can again be kicked down the road is just further proof of it.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

    by Neuroptimalian on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 08:13:52 AM PDT

    •  He doesn't at all suggest (2+ / 0-)
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      Edger, dewley notid

      "throwing it back into the laps of the people".

      What he suggests is to not address it by taking it out of the backsides of the people after constructing a false crisis unrelated to cuts proposed.

      What he suggests is offering the people a choice come election time, rather than ramming their choice down their throat for them.

      He suggests plenty, but none of what you ascribe to him.

      More and Better Democrats

      by SJerseyIndy on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 08:19:37 AM PDT

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  •  Love the "burn down the house" pun, Rep Kucinich! (2+ / 0-)
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    Edger, dewley notid

    you rock.

    fwiw (sadly, far from enough!) you were the standout choice for me in the 2008 Presidential race: clearly, the only true Progressive candidate.

    "Turning this country around [will] take years of siege warfare against deeply entrenched interests, defending a deeply dysfunctional political system." -PK

    by adrianrf on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 08:46:20 AM PDT

  •  So Congressman (2+ / 0-)
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    dewley notid, Simplify

    Here's a permanent solution to this "debt ceiling crisis":  eliminate the "debt ceiling" and the "crisis" goes away, both immediately, and forever.  What dould possibly be more straightforward than that/  There is no fundamental reason in economics, finance or accounting for a "debt ceiling" to exist.  In fact, at present I am not able to name another nation that has such a thing (it was created as politically manipulative quackery in the first place.)  So do the right thing, junk the "debt ceiling" and eliminate this tool used to stampede DC and the nation into ever greater Shock Doctrine upward redistribution of wealth.

    "Tu vida es ahora" ~graffiti in Madrid's Puerta del Sol, May, 2011.

    by ActivistGuy on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 09:24:06 AM PDT

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