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OK, Republican Congress members are having a blast terrifying the country. Even when Congress does come up with that last second deal or if President Obama has to go with the 14th Amendment whats going to happen later.  

How much you want to bet, this lazy stupid country is going to take the easy excuse out that all of Congress and the President are at fault?  

What is it going to take to get government functioning again?  Even when we get past this latest "manufactured" crisis, what is the next one going to be? How are we going to survive these Republican and corporate obstructionist? I didn't think it could get worse than the Dubya era, I was wrong.

What happens with the next Congress? Are we going to have to go through this every year now?  How do you get past the obfuscation without being labeled as being part of the problem, when clearly you aren't?

I know from personal conversations, that general public does not pay much attention to politics as they are just trying to survive. And yet, they are the key to voting these Republicans out and keeping them out.  How do we move past "talking points?" Does anyone have the communication skills to get the reasons for these problems across to the "public"?  Its easy to complain, I'm looking for some way to participate and solve these hostage situations.

   

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  •  I'm not at all worried (0+ / 0-)

    about how this might get some mud on the president.

    For fucks sake where are your priorities?

  •  It is worrisome. (3+ / 0-)
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    teknofyl, TBug, jan4insight

    The history for what happens when our political process completely breaks down is not good at all.
    If The House is completely paralyzed and displays this level of animosity, what the hell do we do? It makes governing IMPOSSIBLE! Just what the hell do we do now? Just freeze the country for another 16 months?

    •  Early 70's CBS News Editorial By Eric Sevareid (3+ / 0-)
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      Mighty Ike, valadon, hyperstation

      who did the commentary on Walter Cronkite's CBS Evening News.

      He said our system is built on the principle of checks and balances. Well every elementary science student knows that a system that's checked and balanced cannot move. His point was that we needed government to move but under this system it couldn't.

      Deja vu all over again.

      Since those days many of us who are now gray-hairs have been pointing out that government hasn't been working well and has been steadily degraded all the way along. Every admin of both parties has left the people with less opportunity and political influence, and fewer protections, than when they came in. --Since the Beatles.

      So there isn't going to be some quick succinct solution to our situation. What we can do is to start building movement, but there isn't a quick fix option.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 07:13:09 PM PDT

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  •  There's No Foreseeable Fix. (1+ / 0-)
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    As many of us with gray hair can explain, some of us have been warning that government hasn't been working right for decades now.

    All through that time we've been steadily making government more dysfunctional and sociopathic. Both parties' admins have left the people with fewer protections and less opportunity & influence on government than when they came in, since the Beatles were still recording.

    We can start building a movement to turn things around, but things are going to continue getting worse for a long time before it will have enough leverage to make a difference.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 06:57:42 PM PDT

  •  it's a good question (1+ / 0-)
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    TBug

    It sets a dangerous precedent, in my view, and frankly it could only lead to more dysfunction. Bullies need to be confronted, not coddled or they simply persist in being bullies.

  •  The only suggestion I have for you (2+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, TBug

    is that you just have to keep talking about how frustrated you are with the situation.  Everywhere you go---checking out at the supermarket (the checker has no choice but to listen to you) keep teaching, create leaflets that are short and to the point and leave them on windshields, talk to people at church about the lack of morality.  But just keep talking and keep teaching.

    I have given this much thought, as I'm also very frustrated.  We keep going from one stupid thing to another.  Worse yet, I listen to the callers on C-Span each morning.  So many of them think they're informed, but their source of information is the right wing media.  They listen to multi-millionaires like Limbaugh, and they adopt their opinions, which are totally counter to their concerns.

    I'm 65 and have been politically aware for my entire life (my parents were very politically active).  I have never felt so much despair as I have in the last ten or so years.  I don't see how we make it change.

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith

    by HappyinNM on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 07:04:15 PM PDT

  •  Just one more agenda item: (5+ / 0-)

    ...One of the big ones is skewing the tax code to transfer wealth upward. Reduces revenue. Then, spend like cowboys at the end of a cattle drive. Raises debt. Then cut programs because debt unsustainable (whether that's true or not). Then  skew tax code. Rinse, repeat. Grover Norquist figured it out. Get people to pledge not to raise taxes ever. Then work to cut taxes. Since they can never be raised without incurring his ire, revenue drops, programs cut, government programs drowned in bathtub.

    Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 07:11:18 PM PDT

    •  which is exactly why (0+ / 0-)

      ending GWB's tax breaks (and/or subsidies to the oil companies) has to be a clean, stand-alone issue.    

      framed all by itself with nothing else attached.   nothing else to obscure that single issue.

      take grover's frame and own it.  

      "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

      by kj in missouri on Sun Jul 31, 2011 at 06:45:30 AM PDT

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  •  The Democrats are a part of the problem. (2+ / 0-)
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    TBug, valadon

    The Tea Partiers are not the only ones who have tied a large deal to the debt ceiling increase.  I guess I'm part of this lazy, stupid country.  It would have been a lot easier to make the point to the country that the Democrats are the adults if they had insisted on the absence of hostage taking from the beginning.

    I'm sorry, but your reality simply doesn't fit my economic model.

    by Reframing the Debate on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 07:25:51 PM PDT

  •  This can't work forever (1+ / 0-)
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    TBug

    It will utlimately splinter the right.  These are the death throes of the conservative movement.  

    WARNING: Your diary/comment/attitude/etc may dishonor Ted Kennedy!

    by snout on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 07:48:05 PM PDT

    •  The right will not splinter because the Right has (0+ / 0-)

      figured out how to consistently and with discipline so abuse the legislative process that they are for all practical purposes the one and only party left, the one who always get to talk to the President, and ignore entirely whatever the other party wants or does. Doctoring the rules in their favor is nothing comparied to the ability to have absolute power. And they're damned near to that now. McConnell won't bother talking to his house's Dems nor will Boehner.

  •  The problem is that (1+ / 0-)
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    TBug

    we have conservaDems and Republicans negotiating the terms we have to live on.  

    Neither of them is willing or able to solve the major problems we face.  So they fight about secondary problems and affirm that these are in fact secondary.

    The People has to seriously ponder (for a short time, anyway) which side to vote out first.  The better target is the party in power and in the process of losing grip.  So the conservaDems get voted out first.  That's how we got the November 2010 outcome.  Presidential elections tend to extend the results of the previous midterm.

    With them gone and unelectable, the Party necessarily shifts liberal (with a lot of whining, of course).  And it takes another two national elections- a midterm and a Presidential- to clear Republicans out of control again.

    In brief, it's gonna be sh-t until sometime in 2014, so about three more years of economic policy bullshit gaming.  And while the captains of industry are gaming the system, they increasingly see this as defensive behavior given how useless and irresponsible the Congress and other branches have become.

  •  It's been happening since day one of President (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama's administration. The same kind of obstruction that's happening now, has been going on for 2.6 years. It will continue unless people open their eyes and pay attention. There are still a lot of people who eat up what these corporate own media outlets put out there. Their opinions are based on that propaganda. When you question them, their response, "well that's what they said on the news". That kind of ignorance is a national security risk. We have a long way to go, and i fear before things have a chance to get better, many more people will have to face the consequences of that ignorance.

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