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We all thought 2010 was the absolutely worst election cycle we've experienced. After the last few days, I think we'll look back at it in 463 days with wistful remembrance. And don't start with the Hochul (NY-26) victory, that's an total fluke at this point.

We, as in Democrats, got our asses whipped last November. After yesterday, I think we'll be reduced to a rump of a party after the 2012 elections.
I've done a quick poll of family, friends, and coworkers who I know are Democrats, and 80% of them are disgusted with the "deal" (the total cave-in) and if the elections were held tomorrow, they, and I wouldn't even bother to vote.

Why should we, what do we get? Protection from what? The GOP...nope.
Look at what The GOP is saying today- that this is the way it's going to be from now on when the debt ceiling is reached.

MCCONNELL: It set the template for the future. In the future, Neil, no president—in the near future, maybe in the distant future—is going to be able to get the debt ceiling increased without a re-ignition of the same discussion of how do we cut spending and get America headed in the right direction. I expect the next president, whoever that is, is going to be asking us to raise the debt ceiling again in 2013, so we’ll be doing it all over.

So now my parents and In-laws can sell their homes to pay for medication and food when medicare is gutted, and their social security is reduced. I'm SO looking forward to 4 octogenarians moving into my home as I approach my mid-50s. Bad discs in my back, no worries, after a couple of years of helping my parents/in-laws in getting up, showered, dressed, ready for bed, etc., I'll be using a used scooter to get to class and teach from a chair, no problem, who needs to walk.
Yeah, so some rich asshole who lived in a gated community can have an extra couple of million sitting in their bank accounts.

Fuck this shit, why bother.

I'm really pissed that I wasted my time and treasure to drive to DC in January 2009, wasted my time freezing my ass off for GOTV in Nov 08 and getting my neighbors to the caucuses in freezing weather with icy roads in Jan 2008. For what, to see my future, and that of my kids, sold down the river by someone I was stupid enough to believe gave a rat's ass for the middle and lower classes.

Fool me once, shame on you, and this sucker isn't going to be fooled twice.


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  •  It will be (1+ / 0-)
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    If defeatists like you dominate the discussion.

    Seriously, how does this help?

    I don't know this applies to you, but it seems a lot of people here want the worst to happen, and are happy to contribute to bringing it about.

    Move on already. Fight to defeat the bad people. Don't make their job easier.

    •  What difference will it make? None, that's the (4+ / 0-)

      crux of the issue.

      WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

      by IARXPHD on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:17:16 AM PDT

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      •  Not all have the stomach or stamina for politics (1+ / 0-)
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        Sometimes there really are better immediate things to concentrate on, especially when you're young and need to build your life.

        That's OK.  But for those who want to and can participate, we never give up. The task never ends.

        Apparently the choice is a roller coaster or a tyranny so no matter how I refuse to go on a roller coaster for entertainment I will never get off of the one for public service.

        We know, no matter what is done, that the 2012 economy will be much worse for many Americans than 2011. 2014 will be far worse than now. For a decade or more, despite earnings that flow incessantly from rising health care costs and overseas investments, US unemployment will be high.

        As Millennials invest in their small children and making a living and Boomers instigate vital changes, coalitions are more necessary now than ever.

        It will get much worse in the best of governance and only we can make a positive difference in our lives. So give up. We'll be here when you come back.

        Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

        by kck on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:29:54 AM PDT

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        •  Due the weakness of this President. (2+ / 0-)
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          kck, ssgbryan
          We know, no matter what is done, that the 2012 economy will be much worse for many Americans than 2011. 2014 will be far worse than now.

          Bullshit. If the correct actions had been taken- increased taxation of the investor class to get capital moving again- this would not be the case.

          WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

          by IARXPHD on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:32:55 AM PDT

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          •  The unreasonable expectation for best case (2+ / 0-)
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            IARXPHD, DaleA

            ...governance will make the long hard slog somewhat less miserable for the growing mass of unemployed and could stop doing harm. But we'd have to have elected totally different people.

            I'm not suggesting hopelessness, but the kind of brutal realism that fuels a fire sufficient to meet the runaway firestorm already out of control, the kind that fuels coalitions that may not "like" each other but nevertheless are in the path of most resistance together.

            Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

            by kck on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:38:42 AM PDT

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    •  We should make a list of things that (8+ / 0-)

      don't help

      I'll start.

      1. electing a Democratic president who then serves up Social Security and Medicare

      •  And what good does that do? (0+ / 0-)

        Particularly when you are exaggerating.

        The bad guys check this site. Nothing will encourage them to keep doing what they are doing than diaries like this.


        Thanks for doing even more than Obama to make things worse.

        Try doing something positive. Otherwise I will blame you as much as anyone for the bad result we both fear.

        Stop making things worse just so you can feel better about yourself.

        •  Many of us worked our asses off thinking that (2+ / 0-)
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          ssgbryan, Jaimas

          electing a Democrat in 2008 WAS being positive. For what, to be sold down the river for pie crust promises?
          What "positive" is going to change the current scenario? Seriously, what?

          WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

          by IARXPHD on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:27:30 AM PDT

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          •  The reality (0+ / 0-)

            is that a crazed Repub majority in the House, caused in part by the demoralization of Dems encouraged by similar whiners last year who didn't get all they wanted, found a trigger that could have caused economic disaster, which no responsible President could allow.

            All this whining is going to make things far worse.

            Clearly, that is either what a lot of you want or don't cae if you cause.

            Deal with it, move on, either help reelect Obama next year or the other Dem candidate if he chooses not to run. Or live in the Repub world where you can complain all the time and feel superior.

            •  It's not everything....try ANYTHING. (0+ / 0-)

              Seriously. At this point what?

              We are supposed to wet ourselves over a health care act that does little to nothing to provide more care or to work to spend health care dollars more effectively?

              WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

              by IARXPHD on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:48:44 AM PDT

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              •  In case you didn't notice (1+ / 0-)
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                the health care act hasn't taken effect yet for the most part - it will later unless you let the Repubs take over.

                In the last couple weeks:

                1) End of DADT
                2) Inclusions of contraceptives, AIDS test and women's health issues in mandatory health insurance coverage
                3) A terrific deal with automakers on mileage standards

                Good, positive results

                You bedwetters want to make sure all of this goes and gets turned over to the dark side.

                Look at yourselves in the mirror. You are part of the problem.

            •  The reality is that (4+ / 0-)

              a Democratic president offered up Social Security and Medicare.

              It is crazed to expect people to enthusiastically support a politician who works for policies that go against the people's interests.

        •  oh no!! u r going to blame me! (5+ / 0-)

          Obama chose to put Social Security and Medicare on the table.

          That has hurt the Democrats far more than and comment posted on the Daily Kos. But go ahead and blame me for harming the Democratic Party.


        •  You are destroying our country (1+ / 0-)
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          Stop enabling this crap.

          Right back at cha

          "If you give the people a choice between a watered-down Republican and a Republican, they will choose the real thing every time." Harry Truman

          by Haningchadus14 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:47:18 AM PDT

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    •  Enablers like you (1+ / 0-)
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      are destroying our country.

      See two can play are your game.

      "If you give the people a choice between a watered-down Republican and a Republican, they will choose the real thing every time." Harry Truman

      by Haningchadus14 on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:45:59 AM PDT

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    •  Republicans have been marching steadily rightward (1+ / 0-)
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      for the last 30 years. It's nothing new.

      They have got a simple system. The divide and polarization in politics creates gridlock. Gridlock means that good economic policy won't pass. Good economic policy not passing creates an environment for worse and more divided politics. And around it goes.

      Republicans just keep getting worse. Our economic situation just keeps getting worse.

      The only way to stop this, is to get Democrats to enact good strong liberal economic policy. At some point, it must be done. And the task just keeps gets harder, as time goes on.

    •  Thanks for taking up the argument. At this point (0+ / 0-)

      I'm trying to figure out some formula for which of the defeatists are just old school marxists who are disgruntled because the revolution never happened, and which of them are here on behalf of the GOP.
      Everybody who cares needs to stop the whining, accept where things are right now, take a good look around and figure out some constructive way to start changing things.
      The GOP isn't going to wait. They'll be right back at it.

  •  Cut off your nose (0+ / 0-)

    to spite your face? berg&page=1

    by claytonben on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:17:09 AM PDT

    •  Kindly explain to me how it would be significantly (1+ / 0-)
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      different with the GOP in control of the Senate and White House.

      WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

      by IARXPHD on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:19:27 AM PDT

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      •  I fear (1+ / 0-)
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        that with the economy tanking, I won't have to tell you.  We'll find out shortly.

        Remember how people said Bush and Gore were the same?  

        But here's a simple example:

        The stimulus was insufficient, that seems clear enough.  It was about 40% tax cuts, which are not the most "stimulative" uses of our money. So that's bad.

        But the rest of the stimulus was a huge investment in infrastructure and green initiatives, which is great.  

        How would a Republican President and congress handle that situation, should the economy still be bad in '13?

        How about:

        Much lower taxes on the rich and gutting social programs further?

        How about privatizing large sections of the government for short term revenue: privatizing social security?  Sure.  What else?  Airports, roads, schools, etc.  These people believe the private sector can do everything better--which amounts to wealth-transference to the rich.

        In the name of business stimulus, further deregulate . . . further weaken the EPA . . . enact national fire-at-will laws, like they have in Texas?  Sure, why not.

        Nationally restrict unionization rights?  They might try.

        This is the kind of stuff that Republican Governors are doing.  You honestly don't think they're chomping at the bit to enact some of this stuff on the state level?   berg&page=1

        by claytonben on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 11:57:56 AM PDT

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  •  I will vote (3+ / 0-)

    for some 3rd party candidate for president

    Obama coulda just told the ReThugs to go screw themselves and cut off funds to the tea party districts after they refused to raise the debt ceiling.  

    Scientific Materialism debunked here

    by wilderness voice on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:17:44 AM PDT

  •  We suck. (1+ / 0-)
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    We whine when we lose.

    We whine when we win.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:21:07 AM PDT

  •  I will vote. Can I get IARXPHD's proxy? (0+ / 0-)

    The 2012 elections were always gonna be seriously problematic, especially in the Senate. If you want the Senate to be run like the House -- by Tea Partying idiots -- have at it. I just don't see how this deal makes it worse. It actually makes it more important -- to undo the Super Congress and end the Bush tax cuts.

    Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you:

    by FischFry on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:32:13 AM PDT

    •  No. And caving in to the Teathuglicans now makes (2+ / 0-)
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      ssgbryan, Haningchadus14

      it even more likely that the Senate will be run JUST like the house. The $$$ will flow in an even bigger tsunami to the TeaParty types since their tactics have been proven to work now.

      WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

      by IARXPHD on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:35:09 AM PDT

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    •  I plan to vote... (0+ / 0-)

      ...for Democrats down ticket.

      I will never vote for the Great Capitulator again.

      •  Brilliant. (0+ / 0-)

        I might point out that "the Great Capitulator" in this was actually Harry Reid.

        Obama left things when he had an apparent deal with Boehner that would have included revenues, if you think that getting a few billion from closing tax loopholes was the great principled stand. The Gang of Six introduced the plan that undercut the Obama plan -- and then Reid came out with his smaller plan and no new tax revenues that served as the basis of negotiation with McConnell. THe WH just came back in to make sure there'd be no default.

        Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you:

        by FischFry on Wed Aug 03, 2011 at 05:32:59 AM PDT

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  •  yeah Dems are going to stay home (4+ / 0-)

    The other guys are insane and you'll regret it isn't going to drive enough people to the polls. This is purely based on straw poll of Democratic voters in deep blue NY. If the last couple of days and opinions is any indication (highly doubtful) Obama will be in trouble in NY State. That's highly doubtful but if this is what I'm hearing from my non-far left friends what's it got to sound like in Ohio?

    By blinking on this one Obama has also failed to take it off the table. We'll be hearing about nothing but deficit reduction until the election.

    Obama came to Washington to change it. There's a chance that the "change" we voted for was the death of the Democratic Party, not by design, by lack of spine. I never thought I'd regret Hillary Clinton not winning the nomination but I do now. I don't see her as getting bullied all the time.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 09:46:29 AM PDT

  •  I'm voting. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm pissed about it, but I'm voting.

    I've supported presidential candidates way to the right of me for many decades.  It's how this thing works.  

    It pretty much always feels like this.  You always ask "What's the fucking point if I'm just gonna end up with Clinton or Carter or Obama?"  

    The fact that there isn't a whole lot of daylight between the parties is tremendously discouraging.  But there is some, and that some saves lives around the world.  

    I'm not here to defend this administration.  I'm disgusted too.  But this is the way it's always played out over my lifetime.  And it's why so many of my friends on the left over the years have done what I've done:

    Work locally.  Start a worker-owned co-op.  Volunteer at a women's shelter.  Make bikes for kids.  Advocate for the homeless.  Run for school board.  Work for range voting.  Don't follow leaders and watch your parking meters.

    Vote every time, because if you don't see the difference between bad and really bad, you're not paying attention.  But don't put all your skin in that game; it'll eat you up.

    •  I didn't ... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...always agree with Clinton and Carter, but I never felt that they were actively trying to help the other side and were only pretending to care about the things Democrats believe in.

      With Obama I truly believe that he only ran to be "the most popular kid" and really doesn't give two hoots about working people.

      •  I feel about the same about the 3 of them. (1+ / 0-)
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        I felt this way during welfare reform.  I felt this way during Nafta.  I've felt this way about presidential democrats for my whole life.

        People thought it would be different with Obama.  There are a lot of reasons for that, not least because, like any good campaigner, he tried to make us think it would.

        Do we have a right to be disappointed?  Damn straight.  It's a travesty. But this is American politics in the Citizen's United era.  

        Local is more sane.

  •  The people in the US need to hurt a lot more (0+ / 0-)

    before they wake up. Dancing with the stars, and other entertainment is more important than paying attention to the way the country is going. Maybe a President Bachman will do it. Of course whether our country can survive is the question.

  •  YOU are so WRONG! SS is safe, Medicare will go on (0+ / 0-)

    and so will Medicaid. THE AARP is finally getting the message out. They had their tax exempt status threatened by the GOP if they stood up for seniors. Now, that the AARP is very clear about its message, 2012 is not going to be 2010. The TPARTY IS AN extreme group that is dangerous for our democracy. AND THE VERY FACT that all repugs voted for the RYAN plan, they will pay. And the tparty is so arrogant, it will implode. Remember it was the old folks running around with the tbags hanging off their hats that gave the tparty momentum. So, we need to get the House back. Look what the TPARTY/GOP is doing in NJ, OH, FL, MI and WI!! It is really bad for democracy. WI is the beginning of the change from the bottom up and Benton Harbor, MI is the real center of TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. they are under fiscal marshall law. No mayor, no town council, just a FISCAL MANAGER appointed by the GOVERNOR answerable to no one. This movement has been building for over 30 years, it has reached its peak of destruction and has to be stopped dead in its tracks.

    An EGG is not a person, A corporation is not a person!

    by CarmanK on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 10:54:40 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, we'll see about WI next week. (0+ / 0-)

      And I'm not going to be overly surprised if all the work goes for falling just short, which in that case, won't change jack.

      WTF!?!?!?! When did I move to the Republic of Gilead?!

      by IARXPHD on Tue Aug 02, 2011 at 11:37:49 AM PDT

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