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Originally posted to Comics on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 06:50 AM PDT.

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    •  Question regarding Corruption (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks for all your work in Haiti, Matt.

      Question regarding corruption.

      How corrupt is Haiti, and would the country be better off if, say, the UN appointed Carter to be the interim president for an 8-year term?

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

      by PatriciaVa on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 07:50:28 AM PDT

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      •  Because having a foreigner come in without (2+ / 0-)
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        any popular mandate and bring in the White Man's Wisdom is so inherently less corrupt than having the folks on the ground try to figure their way out.

        It's not as if the US hasn't occupied Haiti numerous times and tried to "bring them democracy" before, have they?


        •  That's kind of the point of the question. (0+ / 0-)

          You're missing the point.  Although kudos on calling someone a bigot for pulling a random leader's name out of a proverbial hat.  I also like how the UN is considered a tool of the White Man, too.

          ARE things so bad that people would prefer a foreign despot, no matter how benevolent or temporary?  That sounds a little extreme, but Haiti is in an extreme situation.  I thought their problem was a fundamental lack of investment, wealth, deforestation, and employment, not corruption.  

          •  It's not a random name. (0+ / 0-)

            It's a previous American President suggested as the "kind of guy" who could come in and clean up the Haitian cesspool -- as if the Haitian cesspool hasn't been linked with the American cesspool, under both "conservative" and "liberal" presidents going back to their revolution.

            It's not so much bigoted as being so completely disconnected from historical reality -- which in my mind is worse.

            Their problem is being a tiny country that's been despoiled by foreigners -- Americans, French, etc, for 200 years. They were still "buying their freedom" from the French in the 20th century.

            So they're so damn poor, that they lack any infrastructure whatsoever. On what historical basis would you suggest that a "foreign despot" would come in and actually improve the situation? Do you have some actual historical examples?

            I don't think so. So what's the underlying suggest, other than Haiti's problems can be fixed by good liberal intentions, devoid of their historical and structural development?

            You could more coherently suggest that the Haitians need their own despot -- like the Dominicans had next door. Sure the streets ran with blood under Trujillo, but he did build infrastructure and protect the ecology.

            At least there's a model -- of a good home-grown fascist who gets the trains to run on time. But is there even one example of a foreign conqueror doing what's suggested?

            Talk about naive. This is how liberals give cover to the worst teabaggin' right wing nut cases.

          •  There's quite a bit of wealth in Haiti. (0+ / 0-)

            All in the hands of less than maybe a dozen families.

            If you've read the history and talked to some of the people, you might understand that they have been suppressed and poor for so long, the skills needed to even imagine how to go about establishing a decent government are not ingrained.
            It will come though. But not before the foreigners who exploit the poverty and illiteracy are sent home. Not before education, food,healthcare and housing are readily available.

            It's certainly more complicated - but I think Haiti will one day be a country where people have the opportunity for a better life.

            Mitt Romney strapped the family dog to the roof of his car. Where's he gonna put grandma?

            by brook on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 05:12:22 PM PDT

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            •  is it (0+ / 0-)

              only the foreigners who exploit?

              •  Of course not. (0+ / 0-)

                Nor did I imply that.

                You might look at the UN forces brutal history there. Look at the 3000 NGO's. Most may be well-meaning, not all of them work in such a way as to allow future self-sufficiency. They need a dependent population to maintain their profits. The Haitian governments abdicated any role in programs that might educate, administer health services, etc. - why should they spend money & resources when the 'do-gooders' are willing to put their fingers in the dyke of needs?

                And that's just one aspect of life in Haiti that needs to change.

                Much must happen first, but one day Haiti will be an independent country that offers its' citizens the opportunity to have a decent life.

                Mitt Romney strapped the family dog to the roof of his car. Where's he gonna put grandma?

                by brook on Tue Aug 09, 2011 at 10:36:03 AM PDT

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      •  Can we do that in our own country, please? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

        by Seneca Doane on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 08:31:24 AM PDT

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  •  THAT is great. (3+ / 0-)

    "The majority of a single vote is as sacred as if unanimous." - Thomas Jefferson

    by cartwrightdale on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 07:04:30 AM PDT

  •  This is excellent, what no government looks like - (5+ / 0-)

    funny and very sad too.

    This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

    by Agathena on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 07:07:03 AM PDT

  •  Don't forget how No Government Policy works in (5+ / 0-)


    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 07:10:20 AM PDT

  •  I had all sorts of snarky and somewhat (7+ / 0-)

    mean-spirited retorts for the 'baggers, but I couldn't hit [Post]. I just want to say thanks for going to Haiti and helping people who so desperately need it.

    Modern Conservatism isn't simply about them owning as much as possible; it's also about breaking anything they can't own.

    by ontheleftcoast on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 07:16:17 AM PDT

  •  Thank you for (10+ / 0-)

    working on the project in Haiti -- and being a witness to their ongoing misery.  I know they got hammered again yesterday with the tropical storm -- but I'm finding precious little information.  Thanks for the very accurate and utterly sad cartoon.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 07:23:11 AM PDT

  •  A few thoughts (1+ / 0-)
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    It's sad that many people wouldn't understand this comic, least of all the tea baggers.

    You don't need to go to Haiti or Somalia to see what a libertarian paradise looks like; once they're finished drowning our government in the bathtub, we'll be living in one.  That should only take another ten years or so.

    On a side note - Haiti hosted the only successful slave revolution in the world, so far as we know.  That's kind of cool.

  •  Can we maybe (1+ / 0-)
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    send our Tea Party to Haiti and let the Haitians take their spot in our country? 'cus I bet the Haitians would actually appreciate it as opposed to whining all the time.

    Talk of a Peaceable Kingdom, talk of a time without fear. The ones we wish would listen are never going to hear

    by Purple Priestess on Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 04:18:39 PM PDT

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