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    I would like to begin by explaining why I am even writing this diary entry in the first place. As a 15 year old high school student, I can safely say I am younger than almost everyone else in this community. Why is it that someone so young can become such a politically outspoken person? It certainly was not out of necessity; I was born into a wealthy family, and I have always for the most part had everything taken care of. I have had one the best educations in the country, and for that I am thankful. So why did I become interested in politics? A few years ago I began watching “The Daily Show” on Comedy Central. I was raised in a very liberal and educated town, and it struck me how uneducated, and quite frankly, ridiculous, the political dialogue in this country had become. Watching shows like “Real Time with Bill Maher” I became interested in issues I had never before cared (or known) about. Watching Bill Maher was the reason I abandoned religion and became an atheist. Watching conservative commentary shows and political pundits make outrageous claims on television about economics and history made me study both; I have now read several economics textbooks and have done my best to understand the true history of not only the United States, but of the world as a whole. I now watch numerous news channels and read both the New York Times and the Economist. I owe it to the media, without it I would still be living in the isolated world that is suburbia.
    Obviously most other people my age are not interested in politics (at least yet), and my friends get rather bored when I go on talking about the impending government shutdown. Even my parents aren’t that interested in politics; what happens in Washington simply does not affect them that much. Both of them have stable jobs, guaranteed healthcare, and decent incomes. But I know this is not the case for everyone. That is why I became a liberal.
    When you look at the economic theory of Republicans, largely based on textbook macro-economics they are technically correct. Small government, no regulations, and low taxes does increase economic growth in terms of GDP and productivity. The only problem is what they define growth as. If you define growth as productivity, the gross total of products and services produced in America, then yes, conservative economic theory is correct. But who wants to live in a country where the entire working class is poor while the upper 5% owns all the wealth? China has had immense growth in the past decades, but it was growth in the economic sense of the term; the lower class is dirt poor. Growth must not be defined as productivity, but rather as the standard of living. Who cares how much your country produces if the standard of living is low. Look at Norway, a country that practices progressivist economics: they have a GDP per capita of $79,000. In contrast, the United States has a GDP per capita of $46,000. So even though Norway’s GDP is $382 billion (while the United States has a massive $14 trillion GDP), Norway has a 70% higher standard of living. Norway has a 20% revenue surplus while the United States has a 10% deficit. Clearly progressive economics leads to a higher standard of living as opposed to a higher productivity.

    Even though democrats seem to have the more appealing argument, (I mean, who besides the rich would be against a higher standard of living) the democrats still seem to be loosing the debate. This has not been any more noticeable than the fall in popularity of our president Obama. He began his term as the redeemer of America. He captivated the American youth, and almost as quickly, he lost them. This reminded me of something Rachel Maddow said that was along the lines of “You have to win the argument and not just the election.” I was talking about the presidential election to a friend and he said “I hope Obama doesn’t get re-elected” (and that was coming from a liberal) and I asked why, to which he responded, “Isn’t he a terrible president? No one likes him”. Republicans are so good at saying what they believe to anyone who will listen; Liberal not so much. If liberals showed everyone all the good things the Health Care reform has done for them, all the good things that come from regulation, show them the results of corporate power, and show them why we are right, then maybe we would not only win short term battles, but win the long term battle as well. Sadly, for the average person complex economic theory is too complicated to understand and thus they don’t even bother. Instead they focus on social issues and what benefits them the best in the short term: they vote for whoever believes in what they do and whoever will lower their taxes. Their social values are decided; they have been for years. This is likely due to the religious morals and values taught to them. It will be hard to change peoples views on topics such as these.
    I used to always hate people who you could prove wrong and they continued to believe. I never understood how someone can knowingly believe a lie. Within the past few month my entire view on this has changed. Being raised in a Jewish family, I naturally was very pro Israel, and viewed it as a country that could do no evil. I had visited Israel, and it was indeed a very beautiful country. As the media and activist groups became increasingly vocal about their anti-Israel views, I got increasingly angry. Everything they were saying was directly contradictory to what I grew up believing. Sources which I would have considered reliable in any other situation I would shrug off as being incorrect or propaganda. I considered all Israeli problems to be caused by the Palestinian groups such as Hamas and not the other way around. To me, despite the constant information against Israel I continued to believe in the purity of Israel. This is much like the beliefs held by the Republicans. You can’t win a debate about evolution simply saying the facts when they don’t want to hear the facts. I learned the truth about Israel, that being that Israel is just as much at fault (if not more) than the Palestinians over time, but I can’t expect other people to be able to do the same. In reality it will never be easy to convert someone’s belief when those beliefs are so deeply inscribed in their psyche. Once a belief is fully infused with a person it becomes part of them; it will never change. Instead, we must focus on the young. We need to pass laws requiring the teaching of evolution and global warming in schools. It wont be easy, but over time it happens. We have seen it in America, we are more secular now than we have ever been in the history of the this nation. We are on a track to progress, it is just slower than we would like. In the end, progressivism will always win, and has always won.

Originally posted to Youth Kos 2.0 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 04:12 PM PDT.

Also republished by Pink Clubhouse.

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    •  You're a wise 15-year-old. (2+ / 0-)
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      zedaker, liz dexic

      Some people never get to the realizations you get to.  I look forward to when you figure out about the structural problems with the American system, which I suspect will happen pretty darn fast... we can't just "pass laws requiring" good things, for instance....

      Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

      by neroden on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 07:47:46 AM PDT

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    •  Don't believe it kid. (0+ / 0-)

      Not because you aren't wise(you're not because you are only 15) you may be one day but the fact that your brain has another ten or so years to finish cooking, kind of kills the wisdom argument.

      This person says your wise because you agree with them and what better way to stroke the ego of a teenager than to tell them, they are wise.  

      Why start with the young?  Because they are impressionable and the earlier you infuse a belief the earlier it becomes a part of them?  This is coming from someone who abandoned religion because of Bill Maher, I'm sure he would tell you that's a bad idea as well.  If you watched him when I was 15 you probably would have abandoned comedy.

      I'm going to give you some advice now.

      Leave this place and don't come back.  You're too young, the arguments here will be about things you can't comprehend not because you don't have the ability but you haven't had the experience.  I'm just thinking of all the things you haven't done, all the mistakes you haven't made, leave now and go be a kid.  

      These tired souls here will ruin your youth with their cynicism.  Not only that but the hope they put in you to be the future of progressivism is truly self-serving.

      It's not personal young person.  If you like politics that's your thing, read books, watch the news, whatever makes you feel like more of an adult, but this place, the Dailykos is not the place for you, this is a place for people that have made their mistakes and are dealing with them through this blog on some level, don't stoop to our level.  

      I work with people your age all the time and you have better shit to do and post blogs here.  You should be writing your first post on your own blog.  If you through your lot in with this bunch, you won't come up with nearly as many good ideas than if you went in your own direction.  

      Just look at all the comments that you are getting.  All the praise and adulation.  If you get all this from a bunch of adults after one post and none of them tell you to get the fuck out of here and go be a teenager, what do you think it will look like when you are 18.  You will be one of them/us, you will cease to be ahead of the curve.

      I'm jussayin' dailykos is aiight, raise your bar, do your own blog and if you nurture it and take care of it, in ten years it could be just like this place.

      Watching peoples political dreams crash on the rocks of political reality is fun to me.

      by mim5677 on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 08:28:48 AM PDT

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      •  Who the hell are you kidding? (7+ / 0-)

        Now I agree completely with starting his own blog, and building because he's young.

        That's never bad advice.

        But, interacting with everybody here isn't so bad.  What I predict will happen is we will show ourselves to be older, more jaded, etc...

        And it could go lots of ways.  He could get sucked in, or he could turn away, or he could get motivated too.

        I hate pre-judging people like that, just because we really don't know.

        When I was young, I spent time with adults and got told some of the very same things.  It motivated and empowered me, because I got to see some of the future through their eyes, and that helped me in life considerably.

        Perspective is a wonderful thing to have at that age.  Had I the chance to interact like this back then, I would have understood the importance of civics, as would many of my peers, who checked out.

        Would your recommendation be then to sit it out, get older and jaded, then jump in?!?

        I don't mean my post to be hostile, just questioning, because I don't see what you wrote as self-consistent, that's all.

        IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT. #opengeekorg

        by potatohead on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 08:44:13 AM PDT

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        •  That's why it's advice (0+ / 0-)

          No harm done.  What I saw was a kid a bit too smart and impressionable to play in this sandlot.  

          These people here are not your average adult and unless he.she says they are 15 every time they make a post the discourse won't be beneficial.  

          This place is filled to the brim with popular cynics who believe everything is a foregone conclusion.  I don't see the need for this kid to poison themselves with the attitudes of people who may have fought one too many rhetorical battles.  

          We need this person more than they need us and all the praise given to him/her proves it.  

          Don't fill your time with the worries of the dailykos kid, fill it with girls or boys or whatever it is you like, even politics but don't follow our lead because a whole lotta people here are old enough to have made a difference, myself included.

          Don't be like me, be better than me.  One up this malfucker, you have youth on your side, don't waste it here.

          Again I find it telling that more of us are not telling him/her to do the same thing.  

          Watching peoples political dreams crash on the rocks of political reality is fun to me.

          by mim5677 on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 05:44:03 PM PDT

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          •  Well, it's not entirely a waste. (0+ / 0-)

            It could be, and I see your point there easily enough.

            But, it's not known to be, which is why I wrote what I did.

            Somebody young, spending some time here can get some very interesting perspective --a look into the future, without actually having to live that future.

            They could make some impact too.

            Depends on the youth, and how self-aware they are.  Guess I'm the optimistic type, assuming the best.

            No harm no foul.

            IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT. #opengeekorg

            by potatohead on Mon Apr 11, 2011 at 11:59:48 PM PDT

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          •  Kind of like (0+ / 0-)
            This place is filled to the brim with popular cynics who believe everything is a foregone conclusion.
            Watching peoples political dreams crash on the rocks of political reality is fun to me.
            your sig?

            Al Queda and Chinook salmon have a lot in common. Everything is fine until the seals show up.

            by Grannus on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 04:40:00 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know about that (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm an ancient 17 compared to this youngin, but still far younger than most people on this site, and it's been quite useful for me. I got started on a similar track as dn, watching the daily show and colbert report, then eventually moving into more conventional news sources (although certainly not better in my opinion) and I eventually ended up here. I have learned more about politics in my few months here than in the previous four years.

        There are a ton of arguments that I don't initially understand here, but I learn over time. Yes, people are old and jaded, and some are young and idealistic, and it's very educational to see the conflict between these two groups, as well as every other clan here. I think if a kid feels that he wants to deal with the stuff on this site, then he should go for it because he'll learn a lot.

        My one piece of advice for him is to be prepared for a wide variety of extremely harsh and unnecessary comments mixed with extremely positive ones like the majority of those on this diary. It's a funny mix on this site. Many people praise you for being young when they agree with you, and then turn around and scold you for inexperience when they disagree.

      •  Yeah what we really need when someone (1+ / 0-)
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        writes his first diary is some Simon Cowell type criticism. Give him some credit for doing his homework, and taking the first step.

      •  mim - what a rude and awful comment!! (0+ / 0-)

        "Tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

        by MartyM on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 06:51:49 PM PDT

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    •  great diary & much insight (0+ / 0-)

      and hopefully the first of many more diaries.
      DK must be having a glitch - I can't rec the tip jar, but did rec the diary.

      "Tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

      by MartyM on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 06:49:05 PM PDT

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  •  so you see, people can change their thinking. (8+ / 0-)

    it's possible.

    Whatever action a great man performs, common men follow. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. The Gita 3.21

    by rasbobbo on Sat Apr 09, 2011 at 11:45:22 PM PDT

  •  You are pretty smart for a 15-year-old. (22+ / 0-)

    This is a far better diary than most posted here and I want to congratulate you on your arguments and your exposition. I hope you stick around and post more about what you and your friends are thinking and saying. Bravo!

    I have to say I find your "liberal" friend's comment a bit horrifying. I'm really counting on the youth vote in 2012 and it sounds like Obama has fallen out of favor. That she said "no one likes him" tells me she's picking up all kinds of cues from peers and media that are BAD news for Democrats. Do you think that's the general vibe out there and are lots of your friends saying the same thing? You've scared me a little, nd!

    For life and death are one, even as the river and the sea are one.

    by kat68 on Sat Apr 09, 2011 at 11:47:44 PM PDT

  •  You (10+ / 0-)

    are young, and your life will go much more smoothly if you focus on co-operation with persons of differing beliefs rather than changing them.

    The feeling that someone else is wrong and needs to be changed will be evident in your manner and dealing toward them, and much will not get done in the way of progress.  The idea that your way is the best or only way causes more problems than it solves.
    Try to be open.

    Anyway, great diary, welcome aboard :-)

  •  This! (13+ / 0-)
    I was talking about the presidential election to a friend and he said “I hope Obama doesn’t get re-elected” (and that was coming from a liberal) and I asked why, to which he responded, “Isn’t he a terrible president? No one likes him”. Republicans are so good at saying what they believe to anyone who will listen; Liberal not so much. If liberals showed everyone all the good things the Health Care reform has done for them, all the good things that come from regulation, show them the results of corporate power, and show them why we are right, then maybe we would not only win short term battles, but win the long term battle as well.

    yes, Yes, YES, a thousand times YES!

    It will be hard to counter the well funded right wing political machine, but it can be done. It means that WE have to be the mouthpiece! WE have to be the counter!

    It also means that WE have to somewhat more nuanced when WE criticize the President. Because it does no good to reinforce the idea that "No one likes him" and that he is a "terrible" president. The Right does not need OUR help in that respect.

    If this President goes down, then so does the Democratic party as a whole (at least at the Federal level). Obama is definitely not what many progressives here want him to be, but I think...I KNOW...anyone from the right would be a heck of a lot worse!

    BTW, dn14231, nice diary!
     

    Tell people something they already know and they will thank you for it. Tell them something new and they will hate you for it.

    by ToeJamFootball on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 12:15:15 AM PDT

    •  we need more diaries about Obama's successes (8+ / 0-)

      Heck! most of the public didn't even know Obama and Democrats gave the middle class a tax cut in 2009.

      We need more diaries that promote legislation Dems have passed that the public supports - rather than continually bashing Obama because he's not "left" enough.

      If the GOP did ONE thing to help the average worker, Unions would donate to THEM.

      by MartyM on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 05:12:50 AM PDT

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      •  No, cheerleading is not helpful (2+ / 0-)
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        Catalogs of really minor successes aren't going to fool anyone who can see with their own eyes that Obama has kept us in all the wars and started more while arguing for even more extreme anti-civil-liberties positions than Bush in court  while keeping the Bush tax cuts for the rich while coddling the criminal banksters while covering up for BP in the oil disaster while allowing the economy to continue to go to hell.

        Seriously, I've read the catalogs of "successes".  They're so minor compared to the massive losses he's inflicted on us.

        Pelosi passed a lot of good bills, but the Senate Dems decided to let them all be filibustered.  Obama postponed and pre-emptively caved and reinforced right-wing rhetoric.  I've followed it closely.  There were one or two moments when it looked like he was gonna turn it around, and it kept not happening.

        The cheerleading is fucking bullshit.  We need none of it.

        Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

        by neroden on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 07:51:50 AM PDT

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        •  it's doubtful you'd get your ponies with Romney (3+ / 1-)
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          or any other Republican for that matter.

          If the GOP did ONE thing to help the average worker, Unions would donate to THEM.

          by MartyM on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 08:29:12 AM PDT

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          •  Uprated in light of a BS donut! (1+ / 0-)
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            It's like no one wants to consider the alternative. And what that will bring. The thinking seems to be that if we destroy this President from the left, then either he will move to the left or he will draw a primary contender from the left that will actually win. I, personally find that to be highly unlikely. And if history is to be any guide then it surely is a fantasy.

            I am not saying don't criticize, however the constant berating of this president over the last two years from the right AND the left  has "blessed" us with a Republican House and a razor thin Senate majority (oh, and about 20 State legislatures and 10 Governorships that  flipped to the GOP in 2010). How's that working out for us?

            And for Gods sake, don't think that what is said here stays here. There are many more lurkers who never post (or even register for that matter) that peruse this site. Words do matter.  Words do change perceptions. We need to take responsibility for the effect of what we say here and elsewhere. The very fact of what dn14231 posted attests to this:

            “Isn’t he a terrible president? No one likes him”

            Yes, he is not the progressive savior that we all had hoped for, but the alternative, as evidenced so far in 2011, is by far worse.  

            I think we would do better to spend our time building progressive institutions and communication then constantly screaming about how NOT progressive this president is. It only helps the Right.

            Tell people something they already know and they will thank you for it. Tell them something new and they will hate you for it.

            by ToeJamFootball on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 02:46:43 PM PDT

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          •  rec'd to counter hr (2+ / 0-)
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            seriously these hrs are getting ridiculous, and almost exclusively when it comes to obama debates. also, I don't think this should turn into an obama war on this guy's diary

  •  Well thought out & written - (11+ / 0-)

    one question - is the 14231 in your UID your zip code?  If so, you've got native red-ness to fight against :)

    Kat's comment above about your liberal friend's comment had me thinking about some students I've had the pleasure of working with over the last three months, pretty intensely.  I have found that the most glib "Obama's worse than Bush" nonsense is most often uttered only because they have heard nothing to counter it.   Several small discussions generated a few "light bulb" moments, and a comment to the effect of, "why haven't I heard THAT on the news?"

    Keep talking to your friends; information, presented in a logical manner, is sometimes all that is needed to help focus someone else's thinking on a subject.  

    Glad to have you here!  

  •  A good start (8+ / 0-)

    Welcome to the thinking half of humanity... Prepare to be alone. Thinking as a young adult is not encouraged by powers that surround you.

    Good luck, my young friend.

    Beware of Bad Bhadsha - Zn'rx Proverb

    by Jack Pine Savage on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 12:31:22 AM PDT

  •  Great diary! (9+ / 0-)

    You are definitely well-ahead of the curve in terms of thinking about these issues.  

    As far as the GDP-productivity v. standard of living argument goes, I agree with your conclusion, but not exactly how you get there.

    Norway is an outlier due to its relatively small population and its abundant supply of oil.  A better point of contrast might be Norway to Kuwait (e.g. in demonstrating the value of a mixed economy with a more equitable distribution of wealth).  

    You might be able to start to draw some parallels when you're dealing with a larger, more diverse population and economy (e.g. western Europe to the U.S.).  But the big challenge with any country to country comparison is that you're going to have some lurking variables that are likely to strain the comparison -- especially when comparing a nation of 4.5 million to a nation of over 300 million.  How many of the lessons can be grafted from one situation on to the other and still produce the same outcome?  

    I agree with you that productivity in and of itself is not the holy grail, but it is pretty important when talking about rising standards of living.  If productivity remains flat, no one's standard of living is improving.  The economy is stagnant.  That's not a desirable outcome either.

    When productivity increases the wealth of a society increases.  The problem is that sometimes that wealth only accrues to the benefit of one small segment of the population.   However, this is not necessarily the case.

    If you look at GDP growth in the U.S. though from the 1940s through to the early 1970s you'll see that the median wage actually tracks pretty closely to overall economic growth.  In other words, the typical worker saw the benefits of those increases.  In the mid to late 1970s you start seeing a divergence that becomes even more pronounced as the decades move forward.  

    That's where the problem arises and the debates over the causes begin to take place (e.g. was it due to the decline of labor unions?  Changes in tax law?  The financialization of the economy?  A combination of these factors, or something else?)

    In any event, interesting diary.  Plenty to think about.

  •  Glad to see young people engaged (7+ / 0-)

    It's good to see you engaging in these important questions and will be curious to see how your opinions and arguments mature over time.

    One quick point of information for you — it's not really accurate that "small government, no regulations, and low taxes" lead inexorably to GDP growth, or that such measures constitute textbook macroeconomics. The father of modern economics, John Maynard Keynes, argued that government intervention during economic crises is necessary to increase consumer demand, which is a big part of what drives the economy. Many economists still hold this position. In fact, the entire landscape of our economic discussions are inherently Keynesian (with the possible exception of some Tea Party folks). Republicans in general call for tax cuts, which are one type of fiscal stimulus, and Democrats call for spending increases, which are another. Keynes might have argued that the spending is better in a crisis, because people will tend to save cash that you give them, whereas government spending circulates money through more people's hands. That is, if you give someone a tax cut, that money goes straight to the bank, and if the banks are not being active about lending because they are worried about their balance sheets, then the money just sits around not doing anything. On the other hand, if the government pays to build a bridge, it puts money in the hands of a company that has to pay employees and buy materials. With sufficient stimulus, you hopefully increase the number of people employed, who now have money to buy basic necessities, which they may do instead of saving (people still have to eat). That money goes to a grocer, who uses it to buy more groceries to stock, etc. This means that $1 spent can produce more than $1 in GDP, something called the Keynesian multiplier. (But I think most economists agree that even if it this holds in a crisis, it's probably not true during times of robust growth, when the government should back off. Social safety nets complicate things, because they could improve things like labor mobility and hence enhance productivity.)

    This holds, in a different way, for regulation — in the complete absence of regulation, here are two separate things that could happen: markets can become noncompetitive (think of monopolies) and consumers can lose trust in companies. The right regulations can help to limit both of these effects and actually improve economic growth.

    As for taxes, in general, cutting taxes does have a stimulatory effect, but we know that the right government investments (which do require tax revenue) can help to enhance growth. You need infrastructure: roads, power, etc. You get this from tax revenue, obviously.

    Anyway, the point of this whole long comment is just to say — don't think that the conservative view on economic policy is necessarily the right one even terms of cold rationality and growth. There are very strong and widely accepted reasons why a more liberal approach to economic policy would be more effective at improving growth. The most consistent mainstream voice in the popular press on this is probably Paul Krugman, whose New York Times column it would be worth reading if you don't already.

    http://www.partisans.org

    by Prajwal Ciryam on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 04:06:30 AM PDT

    •  in addition, (1+ / 0-)
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      history bears this out. The economy has been more healthy during higher revenue/higher investment periods (e.g. Clinton) than during lower tax periods.

      To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

      by kareylou on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 07:32:23 AM PDT

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      •  I wonder about causation here... (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm no economist, but my first question — in fairness to trying to stay intellectually honest — is whether that is a mere correlation or real causation. I could imagine a plausible scenario in which periods of greater economic health cause greater revenue, which gives government more money to spend.

        •  good point (1+ / 0-)
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          but, at least in Clinton's case, greater revenues were first caused by raising tax rates. Economic prosperity followed, further enhancing revenues, and--voila! We had a surplus! So I think it is a sort of virtuous cycle.
          (I'm not an economist either)

          To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

          by kareylou on Mon Apr 11, 2011 at 06:51:48 PM PDT

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    •  Thank you for correcting his economic errors. (1+ / 0-)
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      I think perhaps what the diarist missed is that the "textbooks of macroeconomics" are a fucking mess these days, and are full of contradictory-to-reality nonsense.  Keynes, in contrast, kept it grounded in evidence, and one should stick to economists who did that.

      Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

      by neroden on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 07:53:29 AM PDT

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  •  You should be Treasury Secretary. (5+ / 0-)

    Even a young person of your age seems to understand what our economic leadership does not.

  •  do you smoke pot? (3+ / 0-)

    I did my political turnabout about the time I started smoking pot.
    You don't have to answer if mom&dad will get mad.

    "Peculiar travel invitations are like dancing lessons from god" Bokonon

    by tRueffert on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 05:21:17 AM PDT

  •  Outstanding diary. (3+ / 0-)

    I am glad to see that there are HS students out there who are actually interested in figuring out the world around them in a meaningful way. Your economic analysis beats the heck out of much of what passes for it from professional economists you find trotted out on the news.

    Keep it up, and please, PLEASE keep writing here on Daily Kos!

    Craft is what emerges when you hit inspiration over the head with a stick.

    by commonmass on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 05:25:47 AM PDT

  •  Welcome here by me. (4+ / 0-)
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    "Oh brave new world that has such people in it."

    I think that is misquoted Shakespeare. The Tempest?

    I used to be Snow White. And then I drifted. - Mae West

    by CherryTheTart on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 05:26:57 AM PDT

  •  Wonderful diary (2+ / 0-)
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    and welcome to Daily Kos!

    It is great to have you here.

    I too would like to join kat68 in encouraging you to continue to write and share with us

    what you and your friends are thinking and saying

    Republished to the Pink Clubhouse.

    :)

    "the Devil made me buy this dress!" Flip Wilson as Geraldine Jones

    by BlueJessamine on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 05:45:30 AM PDT

  •  Welcome to Daily Kos (1+ / 0-)
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    It's great to have ne members particularly younger members since it is YOUR future we are working on (see my sigline).

    Excellent first diary, much better than my fist which as just a "Test".

    May I suggest you join some groups that interest you? It's a good way to connect to others.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 06:06:15 AM PDT

  •  Please run for congress. (4+ / 0-)
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    This enlightened 15 year old is more mature than 90% of our government.  Thank you for posting.

  •  You've got excellent writing skills. (3+ / 0-)
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    As you said, you've had a first-class education, and you're putting it to good use.  Many young people may not be interested in politics, but yesterday I worked with more than a hundred of them planting trees and bushes at a restoration project along the nearby river.  Some of them were Cub Scouts, others in college.  I've seen them also at the local food bank, packing boxes.  Nobody talks politics at those events, but maybe a few will show up at demonstrations against cuts in social services, libraries, etc.

  •  Excellent very impressive diary... (2+ / 0-)
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    Antemedius | Liberally Critical Thinking

    by Edger on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 07:29:45 AM PDT

  •  Age is not a determiner (2+ / 0-)
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    of the ability to think.

    I am thrilled to encounter people who have learned to think for themselves and to filter the barrage of media information through thoughtful analysis.

    Welcome to the thinking world.  We need many more people like you.

    You are exactly the reason why we cannot and should not cut funding to education.  

    It is a sign of maturity that you can take the experiences you've had, compare them to the media coverage and the facts (which are sadly often not the same), and make informed changes in your beleifs and thoughts and behaviors.

    •  Experience is the ability... (1+ / 0-)
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      to recognize a mistake when you make it again.  Wisdom is the ability to recognize a mistake before you make it.

      Rise Up! Still not thy voice - Slack not thy hand! http://thebumpkinphilosopher.blogspot.com/

      by Arkieboy on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 07:45:37 AM PDT

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  •  Congratulations! (2+ / 0-)
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    At fifteen years of age you have learned a huge life lesson, that being when people believe in something, contradictory facts will not necessarily make them change their minds. Beliefs, tangled as they are with emotions and righteousness, are seldom rational.

    OTOH I would like to suggest that it is important to continue to keep the lines of communication open with people who do not believe as we do. As long as we segregate ourselves from people who believe differently than we do, it is too easy for them demonize and judge us, and for us to do the same to them.

    In my experience I have found treating people who believe differently than me with respect, and gently offering my own opinions in a non-threatening manner doesn't necessarily change their beliefs, it at least helps people to respect where I'm coming from. And I might add it is a delicate act in the case with some conservatives who have a hard time imagining anyone respectable could ever see things differently than they do. :-)

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.--Hamlet

    by Ooooh on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 08:25:59 AM PDT

  •  Welcome, and nice diary! (1+ / 0-)
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    Man, at your age, I was programming assembly language on a Apple ][ computer, performing music and theatre, looking for a good girl friend, and blowing stuff up (literally) at home!

    Keep writing for all of us.  I think it's good to get young opinions, because they help us all to combat getting jaded and old.

    I know I struggle with that.  Times have been damn tough!

    You guys are gonna be running this place when a lot of us are old, dead, gone.  The one thing I can say for sure is that the sooner your generation gets involved, the better it will be for you and your kids.

    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT. #opengeekorg

    by potatohead on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 08:39:25 AM PDT

  •  Good diary. (0+ / 0-)

    And hopefully you'll also come to realize that some of your formative influences have massive blind spots of their own, like Bill Maher's toward women and his opposition to vaccination.

  •  Welcome. A very nicely written diary. I teach (1+ / 0-)
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    middle school students, and it's a delight to see that someone your age knows what the word "infused" means, and knows how to use it so deftly. :)

    Once a belief is fully infused with a person it becomes part of them; it will never change.

    Though, I encourage you to take heart and value your own experience -- you seem to have changed your mind, or to have at least broadened your perspective, regarding Israel.  

    Life is a process and different experiences at different points in life can change us a great deal.  For example, I dare say that quite a few of the 40 and 50 somethings who think they support the Tea Party are giving Ryan's Kill Medicare Plan some long thought.  It's one thing to be screaming, "I'm safely in, so now, let's close the doors on the others."  It will be interesting to see how they react when they see the door slamming in their face.

    A warm welcome to you ... I would have loved a place like this when I was your age, but that was back in the day when a computer took up a whole floor of a building and it was programmed using paper punch cards.

    Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

    by bkamr on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 10:35:57 AM PDT

  •  The path (0+ / 0-)

    ...of knowledge and wisdom gets increasingly bumpy the younger you are when first you venture down it. I speak from experience, having been your age during the "Reagan Revolution", the dark period during which willful ignorance became a patriotic duty.

    You are way ahead of the curve; don't let anyone ever tell you that's a bad thing...

    The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are out there. - Yasutani Roshi

    by lotusmaglite on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 12:25:57 PM PDT

  •  Hey, good diary! (0+ / 0-)

    Cogent, concise, relevant...

    As the parent of teens I'm skeptical of your claims of being 15.  :D

    Just kidding, just kidding!

    But I'm frankly impressed that you took your own experience on a very hot button topic like Israel and not only had the ability to discern your own biases and learn more of the "shades of gray" truth there, but to then extrapolate that experience to understand the Fox News zombies out there who can't/won't listen to facts.

    Good job.

    The administration has done virtually nothing designed to reward its partisans. - Kos 8/31/10

    by Rick Aucoin on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 01:00:29 PM PDT

  •  I Wish You Were In One of My Econ Classes (1+ / 0-)
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    This diary contains some extremely insightful economic analysis coming from someone who's barely in high school.  As the author correctly observes, GDP growth figures say nothing about the distribution of income or the composition of output, which determine how growth actually translates into improved living standards for individual persons.

    Altogether, great diary.  I hope you get a chance to speak to someone other than Bill Maher in the future about God and Faith, however.  Watch a few films by Andrei Tarkovsky or Robert Bresson.  

  •  Thank You - N/T (0+ / 0-)

    "Upward, not Northward" - Flatland, by EA Abbott

    by linkage on Sun Apr 10, 2011 at 02:05:45 PM PDT

  •  I look forward with humble anticipation to your (0+ / 0-)

    second diary post, proof that you are not a fake Hawiian secret Kenyan, and hoping ya' consider running for office if that trips your trigger?  
    Very best of luck no matter, most sincerely.

    "There's nothing in the dark that's not there when the lights are on" ~ Rod Serling

    by jwinIL14 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 at 04:50:49 PM PDT

  •  you wrote this (0+ / 0-)

    almost 4 months ago
    why the wait to post it?

  •  Excellent diary (0+ / 0-)

    But may I say, in my opinion it isn't the liberal who's afraid to say what he or she believes.  Because in order to admit you're a liberal to begin with you have to accept that you're somewhat of a pariah to probably 3/5 of the political active sphere of idiots.  So once you get past that if you come out the other end without any self loathing, and end up a proud, standing tall progressive like I am, you're not afraid to say anything.

    The only ones that I see that are afraid to speak their minds are the ones who must conceal what they're up to.  If they said what they believed you would see who they really were, and peg them for the phonies they are.  And in my experience, those have been the cowards who abandon their conservative roots and give you some crap about being an "Independant" (which is just a buzz word for "stop looking at my scarlet R).  And the other phonies are some who call themselves "moderates".  There are true moderates, people who don't like to rock boats, and love to see every one get a little of what they're asking for.  But inside those ranks are left leaning conservatives who think they can gain more converts away from the progressive agenda that they fear by infesting the left, pretending to be one of them, gradually, slowly coaxing them to the right ... one vote, one issue, one presidential cave at a time.

    They are the ones who do not speak their minds.  Because if they did, they would instantly reveal themselves to be liars who have really just come to take what you have worked for.

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