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This diary is inspired by a coup-le of comments I made in diary today by Mikeb30200 about gunshows.

Despite the fact that pro gun folks claim that there is no "Gunshow Loophole", over 500 mayors across the US have banded together in order to reduce the number of weapons in the wrong hands, and to crack down on unscrupulous dealers.

The RKBA supporters claim that there is no gunshow loophole, because the people concerned are private sellers, and the Government doesn't have the right to interfere in how you dispose of your personal property. However, in the video below you will see so called private sellers with hundreds of guns for sale. To quote from one of these private sellers

So in a little bit less than a year, we sold 348 of them

Now my point is that, as a "private" seller, no NICS checks were needed, and I would bet that a fair few of those guns went to people who would not have been allowed to purchase from a licensed firearms dealer.

So how can we effectively throttle this loophole with our current laws. Over the squiggle.

So here we have people selling hundreds, maybe thousands of weapons each year, and completely bypassing the system for controlling in whose hands they end up.

In theory, the ATF can follow up these people as the law states:

It is a felony to engage in the business of dealing guns without a license, and without running background checks on buyers.

Private sellers do not need a license if they only make occasional sales to enhance their personal collection or as a hobby.

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But the ATF is toothless, and without a head for the last couple of years. In addition, a heavy action by the ATF would result in the NRA, DK RKBA group, and associated gun aficionados screaming Obama is after your guns.

So here is a proposal that would require no new laws, would not initially involve the ATF, imposes no hardship on real private sellers, and would effectively strangle the gun show loophole in months.

I call it the Al Capone strategy.

Simply put, we send in the IRS to audit all these fake "private sellers". A bunch of IRS agents turn up at every gun show, posingt as buyers, identify the licensed dealers, and observe the unlicensed dealers. At the end of the day, they move in on the unlicensed people, obtain their identity, and then subject them to a tax audit to see if they have been declaring their profits from their activity.

Now in the case of the guy who sold 348 guns of a specific model in 12 months, and assuming he makes $100 a pop, that would be $35k of income. Would he have declared it? Almost certainly not, because he would then be admitting he was a dealer.

The IRS don't need warrants to go through your financial affairs, ( I guess if they want they can just assume any amount and then have you disprove it). So if after an audit, the IRS conclude that they have been engaged in a business, and have not declared their earnings, they can take the guys to the cleaners.

Next up. The IRS has officially determined that these "private sellers" are in effect a business. Based on this the ATF can then arrest them for a felony gun offense, as they are unlicensed and have not been performing the required background checks.

First they lose their money and stock, second they get a felony conviction ( jail time) and now the irony, they lose the right to own a firearm.

As can be seen from the video, some of the salesmen are in fact employed. Do you think they declare their income - do pigs fly. So they will roll over and spill the beans on their employer in a New York second.

And the reaction from the pro gun crowd - crickets. They can't defend tax evasion, they claim they want the rules enforced, and no-one has touched their rights.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    "Lethality is the prime function of a firearm why pretend otherwise?" 2dimeshift!

    by senilebiker on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 06:30:27 AM PDT

  •  Your poll (16+ / 0-)

    What is this, "we"?

    There ain't no "we" from your perspective when it comes to matters of American law.

    You have no say over what the IRS does or does not do.
    Don't you have enough problems in the streets of your own capital city without dictating to us on our side of the lake?

    I don't understand you at all.  

    a heavy action by the ATF would result in the NRA, DK RKBA group, and associated gun aficionados screaming Obama is after your guns.

    When has Daily Kos RKBA EVER, at any time, said that Obama is after our guns?

    Telling that the two biggest enemies of gun rights on Daily Kos are a British subject and an American expat living in Italy for the last 22 years for rasons known only to him.

    "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

    by kestrel9000 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 06:42:14 AM PDT

    •  For or against enforcing the law, inc IRS code?nt (1+ / 0-)
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      fcvaguy

      "Lethality is the prime function of a firearm why pretend otherwise?" 2dimeshift!

      by senilebiker on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 06:44:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Have a nice day. (12+ / 0-)

        I didn't come here to discuss substance with you.
        You are an enemy of my rights, rights that you are denied by your own government, posting about laws that do not affect you, regardless of how hard you try to convince people otherwise.

        "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

        by kestrel9000 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 06:47:04 AM PDT

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        •  k9k, I'm staying out of this, for the (6+ / 0-)

          most part, but one of the things I really wish you RKBA peeps would not do is claim that anyone you do not agree with on gun issues is against rights.

          Or against your rights.

          That's such a broad brush as to be merely caricaturish.

          So he says to me, do you wanna be a BAD boy? And I say YEAH baby YEAH! Surf's up space ponies! I'm makin' gravy WITHOUT THE LUMPS! HAAA-ha-ha-ha!!!

          by Cenobyte on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 07:26:03 AM PDT

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          •  Your wishes notwithstanding (7+ / 0-)

            that is a fact. I have the right to the means to self defense, and people such as senilebiker stand in opposition thereto.
            No, I won't stop saying that.
            It is the truth.
            I am not a member of Daily Kos RKBA. I speak for myself and myself alone.

            "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

            by kestrel9000 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 07:36:45 AM PDT

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            •  I don't care whether you're "a member," (7+ / 0-)

              you jump in and attack every diary that suggests any sort of gun control. So, as Vonnegut used to say, Hey, Presto! You're a de facto member, or an honorary member, effectively, b/c you always comment on their side.

              And I stand by what I said: You want gun rights? You have them. But making the bizarre and sweeping claim that anyone seeking any sort of gun control wants to strip you of rights is outright fucking preposterous.

              It;s frustrating trying to hold a conversation with you and the RKBA group you're "not" part of specifically because of behavior like this. You (plural) simply will not stop making claims about people you disagree with that are so over-the-top as to distract and dissuade people from your own arguments.

              If you'd behave with a little more sense and courtesy, if you'd argue more honestly and less histrionically, you might even persuade some people of some of your points.

              So he says to me, do you wanna be a BAD boy? And I say YEAH baby YEAH! Surf's up space ponies! I'm makin' gravy WITHOUT THE LUMPS! HAAA-ha-ha-ha!!!

              by Cenobyte on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 08:01:16 AM PDT

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        •  You do not have a right (6+ / 0-)

          to sell 348 guns of the same make/model as a private seller, not collect sales tax on those sales, and not pay income tax on the profits.

          •  that's why that is against the law.......Now...... (12+ / 0-)

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:09:59 AM PDT

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          •  Correct, and we do not need (10+ / 0-)

            "enabling legislation" for the BATFE* or the IRS to do investigations and prosecutions for offenses currently against the accepted law of the land.

            As buddabelly stated - "it's against the law..... now...."
            so nothing needs to change, only a desire upon a US Attorney to seek prosecution.

            *(toothless/leaderless - yet still operated "Fast & Furious". The same ATF requires long-gun sales at southern border states to be reported via administrative fiat)

            A man who stands for nothing, will fall for anything. ~ Malcolm X.

            by 43north on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:46:24 AM PDT

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            •  So we are in agreement - yu should shut down those (1+ / 0-)
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              Joe Bob

              unofficial dealers who are exploiting the loophole by pretending to be involved in private sales.

              Now as for the strategy of using the IRS, do you agree that this would blunt the argument of people trying to grab guns or take away your rights?

              "Lethality is the prime function of a firearm why pretend otherwise?" 2dimeshift!

              by senilebiker on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:08:20 AM PDT

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              •  Heh. The right wing (5+ / 0-)

                is already pissed at the thought of the IRS hassling dealers and sellers:

                Obamacare's Hidden Gun Control

                "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

                by happy camper on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:18:17 AM PDT

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              •  I've stated months ago (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                KVoimakas

                I've a young friend who's at-best indecisive when it comes to handguns.  Each passing comment, each new model, each magazine article gives him a reason to sell the current handgun - privately - and purchase the next "heart's desire".  He does seek valid ID, and records all sales.  
                Regardless, I vigorously admonished him to cease and desist.
                Trade it in to the licensed dealer, take the loss, or appear on the BATFE's radar someday soon, and not in a good way.

                Reason:
                There was an administrative ruling in New York State that to be "engaged in the business" one needed to either "derive an income stream from" or "commit multiple sales in a calendar year - regardless of profit motive."

                That cast a (deliberately) wide net when determining if someone needed to be licensed with the State Police for handgun sales.

                "Multiple" was construed to being as little as a "few per year" or "one or more a month" depending on who you talked-to.

                I chose Lee Thomas the Technical Lieutenant, and defacto head of NYSP PP Division for my source.
                Lee's point was: When someone's looking to purchase a  handgun - your name should never come up - unless you have a license.

                When pressed for a number - he commented:
                "well under a dozen".  
                A year?  
                "A lifetime.  Otherwise - get a damn license."

                While NY State does not set (thankfully) the tone for all States or the Feds, I believe Lee's comment was a valid POV from a noted authority in the administration of firearms laws.  

                Selling hundreds of guns "privately to enhance my collection" is bullshit.  Get a license.

                A man who stands for nothing, will fall for anything. ~ Malcolm X.

                by 43north on Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 06:24:38 PM PDT

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    •  You should stop (4+ / 0-)

      with the "expat" digs. As far as I know, he's a citizen, just as you or I are. He has every right to express his opinion and excercise his rights as a US citizen as you.  

      •  Let's change one item: (7+ / 0-)

        Senile Biker and MikeB seek to "restrict firearms via stringent gun control" which you agree with.

        What if gun control wasn't the issue.  

        What if the only persons effected by the legislation are US RESIDENTS?

        Say, in light of the riots and demonstrations in the EU, we passed a:

        "Ban on Groups of Four or More Adult Persons Congregating Without Permit".

        National safety and all that.  Would their calls remain valid in your view?

        A man who stands for nothing, will fall for anything. ~ Malcolm X.

        by 43north on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:09:58 AM PDT

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        •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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          senilebiker
          Senile Biker and MikeB seek to "restrict firearms via stringent gun control" which you agree with.

          That would be false. Absolutely false. In fact, if I were kestrel, I'd call you a "liar". But, I'll be kinder and say you made a wrong assumption about what I support and don't support.

          •  So all of this support you give (1+ / 0-)
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            oldpunk

            to SB and MikeB is based not on the content of their diaries or comments, but rather on their right to post whatever is their hearts' desire?

            Or is it just an anti-RKBA thing, as you hate organized groups"
            Or does "democrats with guns" just slap the memory of Ted Kennedy in the face so hard that his framed picture slips from the piano?

            Illuminate me, as I've been kept in the dark so long.

            A man who stands for nothing, will fall for anything. ~ Malcolm X.

            by 43north on Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 05:31:00 AM PDT

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            •  First (0+ / 0-)

              Why didn't you ask me those questions before you made an erroneous assumption?

              I support SB and MikeB's right to post their PoVs, much like I support you and your group's right to post your PoVs in diaries.

              I also believe you should afford them the same level of respect for their diaries as you demand for your own and your groups.

              I am  not RKBA. Feel free to search my past comments on it.

              Please do not attribute quotes to me that you made up out of whole cloth:

              you hate organized groups"

              "democrats with guns".

              Its dishonest.

              Consider yourself "illuminated".

              •  I gave it a whirl - you're a prolific commenter. (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                KVoimakas
                Feel free to search my past comments on it.

                Honestly, I gave up a few thousand comments in.

                I did note one comment, which I failed to cut-n-paste, so no quotation marks:

                RKBA was admonished to do a better job of being more open, more inclusive, more willing to accede to a anti-gun POV, to show better tolerance of opposing views.
                Do better at being "above" the negative stereotype.

                Same comment where you said you'd drop in to help quash trolls, much as you'd do at BlackKos.
                (a favorite group for both of us)

                Not unkind words.  Though I disagree when it comes to strident opponents, both in RKBA and BlackKos.  Where the "only good answer is this..." - an answer that turns back the clock, to the "good old days".
                Be that a literacy test, or the Clinton AWB.

                I disagree with your other voiced comment against publicly-funded gun safety education, for the same reason I disagree with sex-ed being taught in the home - only.

                My parent thinks I don't need to have no notions put into my head, therefore I'm told:  "Just say no." or given a bible verse, and told that's that:
                Proverbs 6:26 - For by means of a harlot A man is reduced to a crust of bread; And an adulteress will prey upon his precious life.

                or

                Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

                Both invoke "authority" and impart no knowledge - but then again, Eve bit of the apple of knowledge...

                So for the same reason I see public schools teaching evolution, and not the Book of Genesis, I'd like to have a public school teach basic firearm safety.
                If the issue is "supporting the NRA" as theirs is the only program offered, then it's up to Brady, the DNC, MAIG, someone - to put forth a curriculum that is politically neutral - even if it's branded.  Mayors Against Illegal Guns - Firearm Safety for Schoolchildren.

                Thanks for the engagement, I've learned more about you, and are the better for it.

                A man who stands for nothing, will fall for anything. ~ Malcolm X.

                by 43north on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 04:02:11 AM PDT

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            •  actually I'm a little fuzzy on the old (0+ / 0-)

              democrats with guns thing.

              I think many of the pro-gun commenters around here sound more like conservative Republicans than Democrats.

              The fact is, liberals with guns or Democrats with guns is a minority of the overall gun world, don't you think?

      •  an expat (4+ / 0-)

        for 22 years, who by his own admission, has possessed guns illegally.
        The number of reasons a person could possess a gun illegally (barring NFA-type weapons) are extremely limited, shall we say.
        It makes me wonder why he's an expat.

        "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

        by kestrel9000 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:39:15 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, we're all criminals in one way or another (1+ / 0-)
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          senilebiker

          When you conjured up this drama about his criminality, I for one, admitted I too was a criminal because I used to throw cigarette butts out my car window.

          And, you should stop trading in and speculating about people's personals.

  •  Whats with you and American guns? (12+ / 0-)

    Is kestrel right? you live in Great Britain?  
    Yet you come and argue every day with the RKBA group?
    Whats your thing with Americans and  guns since it can't really affect you at all?
    Wow---when I went to GB I found lots to do there besides that. Loved watching the changing of the guard and Stratford Upon Avon. Look around---bet there's more productive things you could be doing

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 07:11:00 AM PDT

  •  In other news ... (6+ / 0-)

    So he says to me, do you wanna be a BAD boy? And I say YEAH baby YEAH! Surf's up space ponies! I'm makin' gravy WITHOUT THE LUMPS! HAAA-ha-ha-ha!!!

    by Cenobyte on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 07:24:00 AM PDT

  •  Very interesting (7+ / 0-)

    I didn't know this about the law regarding private sellers:

    It is a felony to engage in the business of dealing guns without a license, and without running background checks on buyers.
    Private sellers do not need a license if they only make occasional sales to enhance their personal collection or as a hobby.

    Does the law quantify how many gun sales makes someone a dealer? If not, then this isn't a loophole, its a gaping hole.

    If someone sold 348 guns of the same make/model, then let's not pretend... they are a dealer, a business. And, they should be collecting sales tax on those sales and paying income tax on the profits. If they're not, then they are likely evading taxes and the IRS should go after them.

    •  This is the real loophole - unlicensed dealers (4+ / 0-)
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      fcvaguy, sturunner, Pandoras Box, Joe Bob

      Usually the response is that there is no loophole, just private sellers, but it is clear from this video and many others that there are very many guys out there who are de facto dealers.

      It shouldn't be difficult to make a definition of what a dealer is - they have no problem in defining it  for drugs.

      "Lethality is the prime function of a firearm why pretend otherwise?" 2dimeshift!

      by senilebiker on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 08:02:00 AM PDT

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      •  It's not a loophole when it's already a felony (6+ / 0-)

        offense, as your own diary admits.

        Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

        by Robobagpiper on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:25:37 AM PDT

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      •  Here's the definition... (8+ / 0-)
        According to 18 USC § 921(11) firearms dealer means “(A) any person engaged in the business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail, (B) any person engaged in the business of repairing firearms or of making or fitting special barrels, stocks, or trigger mechanisms to firearms, or (C) any person who is a pawnbroker.”
        And business is defined as:
        (21) The term “engaged in the business” means—
        (A) as applied to a manufacturer of firearms, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the firearms manufactured;
        (B) as applied to a manufacturer of ammunition, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the ammunition manufactured;
        (C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921 (a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;
        (D) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921 (a)(11)(B), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to engaging in such activity as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional repairs of firearms, or who occasionally fits special barrels, stocks, or trigger mechanisms to firearms;
        (E) as applied to an importer of firearms, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to importing firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the firearms imported; and
        (F) as applied to an importer of ammunition, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to importing ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the ammunition imported.

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:08:03 AM PDT

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      •  You're not being fair. (8+ / 0-)

        Practically the mantra of RKBAers is "enforce the laws we have".  The problem isn't that the law doesn't exist.  The problem is it isn't being enforced.

    •  And there are already laws on the books against (8+ / 0-)

      this sort of conduct. Being an unlicensed dealer is a felony offense.

      The real issue is enforcement, and that happens through police-work and the courts, both of which are terribly under-resourced in this area.

      More laws (ie, "more gun control") make no sense, when there are perfectly good, but poorly enforced, laws already on the books to address this sort of behavior.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:24:51 AM PDT

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  •  I actually agree with you...WOW... (8+ / 0-)

    Now that we've established the facts that there is no gunshow loophole...that's a very good start.

    The idea of actually enforcing the laws we currently have? What a novel idea, not....we've been saying that forever.

    The only problem I have with your suggestion: Who pays for the IRS Agents that surely would need to be hired? Me? YOU?

    Since we are having a global economic meltdown, where do the funds come from?

    Or are you suggesting another unfunded mandate?

    Have you not noticed what happens when your austerity measures kick in? Like they have in your own country:

    Your own austerity measures have resulted in thousands of police being let go, and thousands more on the chopping block.

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 08:47:35 AM PDT

  •  I'm all for it. (2+ / 0-)
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    senilebiker, misfit2btied

    This gets at one of the greatest fallacies in the NRA’s rhetoric. You hear them in the media saying, “We don’t need any new laws; just enforce the ones already on the books.” Then through lobbying and sympathetic members of Congress they do everything in their power to undermine enforcement of the laws already on the books.

    If the ATF is dysfunctional, I think it’s because some factions like it that way. If the IRS could do the job where the ATF could not, so be it.

    Another thing that sort of surprises me is that the legitimate dealers don’t turn in the ones working under the table. If I went to the trouble of setting up a legit business I would take offense if someone set up shop next door, didn’t get a license, didn’t collect sales tax and evaded all the other administrative overhead that puts me at a competitive disadvantage.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    by Joe Bob on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:48:45 AM PDT

    •  The caveat being that unless you see a person... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      oldpunk, KVoimakas

      doing the same thing at multiple shows... it's hard to spot.

      Legit dealers and private sellers are busy looking after their own stock, dealing with customers, answering literally hundreds of stupid questions, trying to head off stupid-customer-tricks, trying to work balky credit card readers and registers, running background checks on tenuous cell phone connections.... and they are not generally paid and employed to spy on their neighbors.

      I've never seen a gun show table or booth that had extra workers milling about, taskless.  They generally bring the bare minimum they need to get by on.  

    •  Also, most of these private sellers... (2+ / 0-)
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      KVoimakas, oldpunk

      are very small, one-table affairs.  They may have a dozen or two guns, some odds and ends of parts and/or rare accesories.  They might sell two or three items in a day, and frequently buy stuff from others as well.  Net financial gain?  Miniscule, and generally no economic or legal threat to anyone.

      If you go to a number of local gun shows, you'll soon notice that you'll see the same people, with little change in inventory, time after time.  Almost always older, retired folks.  They do the shows as entertainment and, more often than not, swap-meet mode, rather than profiteering mode.

      I bought a .22 rifle from a fellow here at a Tucson show that I had seen at his table at two previous shows here, and once in Phoenix in the six months prior.  Finally had the cash and the inclination at the same time.  IIRC, I was his fourth sale... of the month.  A $125 rifle.  If he's lucky, he's making gas money, but I doubt it.  I think his favorite part of the process was the story he had for each item he was displaying, and the banter/debate/discussion we had on a variety of subject while I looked over his wares and made my decision.

      I have found this to be fairly typical.  If someone is doing private sales for profit, without a licence, they have to keep a very low profile, at least around Tucson.  There are at least 6 different LE agencies at every show here (TCP, PCSO, BP, ATF, FBI and AF OSI), and lots of active/former/retired military.  Such a business will likely be well under the radar of most of the legit dealers for all the reasons mentioned above.  And they commonly report any hinky-appearing customers they deal with directly, to the LEO's anyway.

      •  The diary wasn't aimed at Granpa (0+ / 0-)

        getting out of the house.

        If you watch the attached video, it is obvious those guys have 100 or more guns for sale at the show.

        They are dealers.

        Which is why using the IRS makes sense. They won't waste their time on some guy with five or six guns for sale.

        "Lethality is the prime function of a firearm why pretend otherwise?" 2dimeshift!

        by senilebiker on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:58:54 PM PDT

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  •  Sic the IRS on 'em (1+ / 0-)
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    brings up some interesting ideas.  These guys would shit bricks if the IRS came aknockin'  But, they've been claiming to be law-abiding gun owners all along.  They continually claim they have no way of knowing who's a felon or using a fake drivers license.  

    The truth is these guys are what I call "hidden criminals."  The gun owners of America are rife with these types. They don't give a fuck about anything except making a buck and they give the truly law-abiding guys a bad name.

    The IRS could certainly put a crimp in their style, but I like my solution better.  Require a background check on EVERY gun transfer. Outlaw private sales outright.

    •  Could do both. (0+ / 0-)

      The guys who are currently breaking the law by dealing as private sellers would be the goto guys for a straw purchase.

      They are already criminals - just the nature of the crime would change.

      "Lethality is the prime function of a firearm why pretend otherwise?" 2dimeshift!

      by senilebiker on Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 03:14:21 AM PDT

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