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From reality.

We'd be better off with no Medicare.  Channels Sue Lowden's love of chickens.  Barack Obama wants to create "dependency" because he benefited so much from affirmative action.  Wants to turn the senate chamber into a firing range.

"Show me where in the Constitution the federal government is responsible for your health care?" Coburn said.

He went on to say that government programs such as Medicare are primarily responsible for rapidly rising health-care costs, and that Medicare has made the medical system worse.

"You can't tell me the system is better now than it was before Medicare," he said.

Coburn agreed that some people received poor care - or no care - before Medicare was enacted in the 1960s, but said communities worked together to make sure most people received needed medical attention.

He also conceded that doctors and hospitals often went unpaid for their efforts, or accepted baked goods or chickens in partial payment.

Earlier, in Langley, Coburn partially deflected criticism of President Barack Obama - and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke - by blaming the country's financial woes on Congress. He described his colleagues as "a class of career elitists" and "cowards," and at one point, talking about his frustrations, said, "It's just a good thing I can't pack a gun on the Senate floor."

But Coburn also said most members of Congress are good people with good intentions.

Responding to a man in Langley who asked if Obama "wants to destroy America," Coburn said the president is "very bright" and loves his country but has a political philosophy that is "goofy and wrong."

Obama's "intent is not to destroy, his intent is to create dependency because it worked so well for him," he said.

"As an African-American male," Coburn said, Obama received "tremendous advantage from a lot of these programs."

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Medicare responsible for rising health care costs?  I guess the health insurance for profit, with its administrative costs and waste have nothing to do with it.  And did doctors really have a jones for chickens before Medicare?  Did they experiment on them, or what?  I mean I've heard of chicken soup for the soul, but c'mon.

Hope that metal detector in the capitol is working.  And isn't Coburn supposed to be a friend of Obama's?  With friends like these . . . .

But there may be an explanation for this rather unhinged behavior.

Coburn spoke to large crowds in Claremore, Langley, Pryor and Muskogee on Tuesday, despite being somewhat under the weather.

Or off his meds.

Doctor, heal thyself.

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  •  maybe we oughtta start a campaign to (3+ / 0-)
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    ship live chickens to Coburn's Senate office.

    "Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe. " --Meteor Blades

    by bubbanomics on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 11:45:46 AM PDT

  •  Without agreeing with Coburn, (1+ / 0-)
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    Marie

    there are two ways at looking at costs.

    Alternative one is looking at the compariative cost of treating a patient for X between the two systems.

    Alternative two is looking at the fact that more people get treatment for more things in the Medicare system because many of them could not have afforded care at all without Medicare, which makes the aggregate expense rise because more people are getting treatment.

    Two additional comments need making.
    A.  A peculiarity of Medicare is that it is not allowed to bargain on the cost of much of what it does, although Medicaid often is. So that it cannot make any adjustments in gross for a lot of things which may be adjusted individually. Lots of things cost more in Medicare than in Medicaid.

    B. Coburn's assumption that 'somehow' communities manage to get care for most people who need it, does not take into account the means of doing that and the cost of doing that.

    In the absence of legislation there would not be an emergency room service for all rule,  and there may not be charities or other organizations in any given place, or they may be oversubcribed.

    In the old days I remember, a lot of people got no care at all, or the twiddling kind which would be called malpractice if done today because of better if more expensive remedies.

    His remark assumes a sense of moral responsibility in all communities which in my experience didn't exist before and doesn't exist now, especially in a time when his own party and he reduce all relationships to their monetary value only.  

    His plan B for medical care without Medicare is to assume there is out of the goodness of some people's hearts, a route of otherwise unmentioned and unquantified,  to get such care approved, and paid for,  for three hundred plus million people over time, in the same apparent model as a neighborhood may in a particular case collect some money, no one can assume how much, for Sam when Sam in particular gets in trouble. No plan for persons without such relationships.

  •  It IS in the Constitution: "promote the general (1+ / 0-)
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    welfare".

    In fact, it's in there twice: once in the Preamble, and again in Article 1 Section 8, where the powers of Congress are enumerated.

  •  Mustn't forget that Coburn's daddy (0+ / 0-)

    was Orin Wesley Coburn, the named donor to the O.W. Coburn School of Law at Oral Roberts University.  Opened 1979 closed 1985; last graduating class 1986.  That's Michele Bachmann's law school alma mater.  She enrolled in the first class and graduated with the last one.

  •  Medicare would have worked just (0+ / 0-)

    fine IF US health care costs were comparable to that in say Germany or Switzerland, coverages were similar, and UHC were the "law of the land."  As it is, too many don't receive adequate health care in the years (decades) before they are eligible of Medicare and when those treatment costs would have been less.  That's fiscally stupid and ethically disgusting.

  •  THERE NEEDS TO BE A PETITION NOW. (1+ / 0-)
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    Coburn's comments about bringing a gun to the Senate floor, particularly on the day Gabrielle Giffords with the scars from her bullet wounds clearly seen on her head, returns to the Capitol to cast her vote, were beyond callous and ignorant.  Or was he just blowing his dog whistle for his Okie White racist constituents?  He should be publically called out for  this and asked to apologize to the entire Senate and President Obama.  His demeaning and condescending words about Obama reveal what he truly thinks of the BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Where is the outrage and why is the media not pushing this story as well as the part about Medicare.  Yeah.  He's a real friend of Obama.  What a scumbag racist.  Teapublicans are too craven to call him on this but where are our Democratic leaders voices?  

  •  what decade are republicans stuck in (0+ / 0-)

    I mean really..when was the last time a doctor accepted a chickeen or a  freaking pie as payment for services did the last 30 years not happen for these  dam idiots.......

    MJTaylor22--concerned citizen who believes in giving back.

    by mjtaylor22 on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 01:11:32 PM PDT

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