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  •  this is my rant for now (5+ / 0-)

    I bring this up NOT as a policy debate but rather how it affects the 2012 elections. In 2009, republicans got on the tv first with their criticism about HCR and won the message war on that issue. Had democrats won that message war, 2010 may have been very different than it turned out.

    Fast forward to 2011, congress and Obama just passed a debt deal.... a really bad one. The deal was 98% of what Boehner wanted and Obama was forced into passing it to avoid a financial crisis. However, a financial crisis happened anyways and the S&P got downgraded. My fear right now is that if democrats lose the messaging war on the debt deal it could potentially put them in a perilous position going into the 2012 elections. I dont say this for everyone to assume, we are doomed, the evidence of democratic doom has not presented itself yet. I say this in hope that the democrats get out on the airwaves and make sure that american voters are informed of who is actually responsible for this financial mess. If democrats want to win the house back, want to hold the senate, and retain the white house, American voters need to be informed. Otherwise it will be like HCR all over again.

    That is my rant.

    •  Agreed. Dems need to get in front of this. (5+ / 0-)

      And if the GOP won't take ownership (and I doubt they will), at least lay it on their doorstep for everyone to see. And perhaps most importantly, keep pointing out how Republicans in Congress are blocking anything and everything in sight that could help our economy recover.

      •  Your comment just made me realize (3+ / 0-)

        what the giant problem will be.  It's already perceived negatively, even when it was the responsible thing to do  So what do we do messaging wise?  Attack the GOP for getting 98% of what they wanted when the deal was shit and is unpopular, or turn it into an overall message of we are the adults in the room when it comes to helping the economy.

        I personally stopped hoping for any positive outcome awhile back when it came to winning on the economy as Obama is either ignorant or is like Feingold when it comes to playing the game.  He won't do it, he was about "change", and I just don't think we'll see very many positive uses of politics from the man.  His first presidential address was on Iraq, nuff said.

        In his defense, a white person would have had a lot easier of a time having to do what he did.  The tea-party is much better at controlling the messaging and that is disgusting, sad, and is worth a thousand books written by a thousand different people. We are living in some real interesting times.  The economic disaster Bush created sealed the deal for the country's first black President, and that same disaster was used as the main vehicle for those in the GOP who are racist to find their voice in politics without having an explicit racist element to connect them.  They're worth a ten thousand books.  100 books could be on Tea Party, tea party, or tea-bagger, alone.  (This is how I get through horrible politics: at least they can be studied.)

    •  A lot of the recent market mayhem (2+ / 0-)
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      has been caused by stress to European credit and banks. So it's not easily teased out. My hunch would be that a lot of what we've seen in the markets would have happened independently of the debt ceiling debate (though the S&P downgrade didn't help). Europe is really struggling right now, and there are systemic issues there that are rippling throughout all financial markets.

    •  I largely agree, although I'd say that (3+ / 0-)
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      I'd change the subject matter slightly. I don't think the administration should fight over which party is responsible for what, because there's a very good chance it will lose. I think it needs to make clear, loudly and dramatically and repeatedly, where it stands on how to move forward and very clear indicate who is standing in its way and the way of congressional Democrats. Of course, this doesn't mean Obama needs to openly antagonize Republicans or act like a polemicist just to make his point and get attention. Instead, he can hopefully set the terms of the debate going forward and wring some progress out of such moves.

      I don't know how he plans to give this big speech on the economy, but he needs to do it so that lots of people are watching and get the point of how serious he is. A Sunday or Thursday night address from the Oval Office might help. And you could make the same case he needs to do this for tax reform or any secondary concerns to immediate stimulus.

      •  This is what I would like (2+ / 0-)
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        There are those voters who watch the news all the time. Those who MSNBC probably think like us. Those who watch FOXNEWS probably think democrats are to blame and we where never going to win these voters over anyway. Those who watch CNN probably look at the facts and interpret them how they want.

        The voters democrats need to target are the more uninformed swing voters who watch sitcoms or shows like CSI or their local news. These people may see their 401K's take a hit or have recently been laid off and may immediately blame Obama. Many of these people may not even know who Boehner is or that the plan was 98% of what he wanted. However, you can be sure that they all knew who Nancy Pelosi was and probably think that she is some evil socialist because that is what was drilled into their heads. These are the same people that where targeted early in 2009 about healthcare by republican special interests and if you look at the polling, it turned them violently against it.

        It may not sit well with some people here just to blame the other party but if democrats don't, the republicans may get to them first and this important block of voters will blame democrats and feel the need to punish them in 2012 like they did in 2010. This is a group of voters we need on our turf if we want to hold the senate, win back the house, and keep the presidency.  

        •  Obama starting this (2+ / 0-)
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          Putting the blame where it belongs - Congress.

          http://www.reuters.com/...

        •  Again, it's not so much blaming the other (0+ / 0-)

          party as providing a contrast about how to go forward. Why? I happen to believe that if the administration focuses mostly on this, it won't help even if it wins, and there's a good chance it won't even win the argument, even though it should. It's the sort of process that lends itself well to Republican bullshit: adding another "s" on to Obama's stimulus package, making it worth trillions when the full amount included tax cuts and wasn't even worth $1 trillion, let alone multiples of that; blaming public workers or others mooching off the government, specifically non-whites; and so on. Plus, it doesn't focus on what most people are concerned about, which is their jobs and financial status. Depending on what exactly he calls for, he can include messages about who did what, but that should be a second, if not tertiary focus. More than anything else, I want him to place the onus on the Republicans for the failure to act now, not for what they did in the past. They are the ones holding up progress now, and the public should have this drilled into its head.

          Here's specifically what I think he should talk about and how he should talk about it. First, he needs to settle on a small number of ideas and second, then boil those ideas down to one or two sentences per idea. Then he needs to make an address in a big dramatic way, followed up by constant reminders through interviews, press conferences, and mentions in the press briefing room. Why can't he announce at the end of his speech that he is waiting to sign something and then have Jay Carney announce the hours and days it's been since he said this and since the Republicans have refused to act? If necessary, he should make a quick five minute speech every Sunday during football season until something is done.

          I think we both agree that he needs to get out in front of Republicans in every way possible. Normally, this would be recommended regardless, but it's especially important because they have nothing original, if they have anything at all, about how to create jobs. The quicker this is made apparent, the better it will be for him.

        •  I forgot to add that President Obama (2+ / 0-)
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          should be pushing for outrageously large measures, at least a starting point. Instead of merely calling for an extension of the payroll tax cut, he should be calling for a complete holiday for at least a year, if not two or three, for instance.

          •  One can dream (1+ / 0-)
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            I've kept hoping for that, all along.  It ain't happened yet, and I don't want to get my hopes up again.

            Though I'm not sure more tax cutting is the way to go.  I don't see how it helps those who are hurting most.  All those millions of unemployed who don't have any taxes deducted from their non-existent paycheck.

            Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe. - MB

            by Land of Enchantment on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 11:24:08 AM PDT

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            •  What would help those people is... (4+ / 0-)

              ...a new $3 trillion stimulus, yes deficit-financed.

              But the court of public opinion, knowing nothing of economics, will laugh at that idea, unless Democrats get sreious about pushing it in which case they'll scream in rage at us.  And of course Congressional Republicans will just laugh it off.

              Obama is pushing the biggest plan he thinks won't draw the voting public's objection, and that's all he can do.

              43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

              by DCCyclone on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 07:56:18 PM PDT

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            •  The best way to help people who are unemployed (1+ / 0-)
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              is to do things that would help them get jobs. The best way to do that is to spend directly and/or prevent lay offs from happening in the public sector. Unfortunately, that looks to be out of the question in any significant form for the time being. What is both politically possible and can make a considerable difference is a payroll tax cut that helps those who would spend the money directly buy things, which would then help people get jobs. I guess unemployment extensions fall under this category as well, more for the spending to create jobs since the money usually goes in as fast as it comes out, but then, it would also help hold people over.

  •  Trivia Question (1+ / 0-)
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    So with Rick Perry's entrance into the presidential race and interesting question popped into to mind.

    Rick Perry initially started out as Democrat in the Texas Legislature before switching parties in 1989

    That got me thinking
    Has the US ever elected a President who switched parties in his political career

    some parameters:

    The candidate had to have been elected to some form of political office as one party prior to his presidency
    (so I'm not looking for people who may have identified with one party but never held office)

    The previous party they identified with had to still be a relevant party by the time the ran for president
    (i.e. Lincoln would be eliminated, yes he was Whig politician originally but by the time he ran he ran for president as  a Republican the whigs were basically defunct)

  •  Thread "game"! (4+ / 0-)

    Name any people you think will run for Senate in the next decade.

    19, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus, male, Dem, (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

    by ndrwmls10 on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 03:38:50 PM PDT

  •  Ohio, the SB5 Repeal Bill This November, (6+ / 0-)

    and there's supposed to be an initiative to create citizen recalls of elected officials here in Ohio. I've not seen anything on that lately but with gov. Kasich (R-Fox) polling 35% approval or so, I'm keen to empower anything we can use to send him back to the elderly white airwaves.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 03:46:22 PM PDT

  •  Disclaimer (8+ / 0-)

    As far as my home district of MN-8 goes, I am officially off the fence. Although I am no longer a resident, I still personally identify with that district over my current one. For several reasons, I am now backing Rick Nolan. I will be volunteering for his campaign, and will likely be resigning my position as an engineer to be a full time ranking campaign worker if he wins the DFL endorsement in the caucuses in March.

    •  I stopped being a fan of the dfl endorsement (2+ / 0-)
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      when rt ryback, dropped out because he didnt get it

      •  Rybak was my mayor in early 2010 (2+ / 0-)
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        I backed him for governor too. Bit it was the right thing for him to do to drop out when he lost. Unfortunately Entenza and Dayton didn't have the same dignity. Dayton ended up winning, but it would have been better to step aside for the winner of the endorsement, which was former Speaker Anderson-Kelliher. Sigh... oh well, we hold the governorship, which is what really counts, I guess.

        •  That's stupid (4+ / 0-)
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          Why should a meaningless convention of party elites decide the nomination? Dayton was perfectly within his right to challenge her in a legitimate democratic primary. MAK is more of a party hack anyway, Dayton is a much better governor then MAK could ever be.

          Pro Israel, Pro Peace, and a Proud Mass-hole

          by progressive from Mass on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:58:38 PM PDT

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          •  This is what aggravated me about MAK (3+ / 0-)
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            Stephanie Schriock's twitter feed

            It's nearly MAKction time in #MNGov & I can't wait to hear the gr8 things that @MAKminnesota will accomplish. Better than those #lazy$ men.

            Seriously, and while everyone has a right to their opinion, Dayton had a 16 point lead in the primary, it would not have been fair to ask him to drop out just because something that had the equivalent in my opinion to a straw poll said no.

            •  LOL, you saved that? (1+ / 0-)
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              Yeah, that was Michelle Malkin-esque what Schriock tweeted.

              I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

              by KingofSpades on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 06:11:17 PM PDT

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              •  and from everything I heard (1+ / 0-)
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                MAK didn't even make a statement condemning that absurd and downright vile statement. And no KingofSpades I did not save it, its all over the internet.

                But to continue my point, does the DFL in Minnesota say jump and everyone say How High? I'm not from Minnesota and have not even been there but can someone enlighten me as to why the hell they have so much power. In addition, does anyone think that the DFL forcing a democrat on the voters who the democratic primary voters CLEARLY do not want is a good idea. I happen to think that had the DFL had its way and forces all the other candidates out thus forcing MAK upon the voters, its very likely she could have lost because so many voters would have been outraged. On the other hand, Ryback would have probably won it comfortably.

                •  caucuses are common (1+ / 0-)
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                  Iowa caucuses are quite important in presidential elections even. I don't see why results of caucuses open to the public are any less legitimate than primaries open to the same people

                  •  If I had my way there would be only primaries (1+ / 0-)
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                    and no caucuses.

                    My issue with them is they have two serious flaws. Many of them are during weekdays when people have to work and don't have time to attend. The second issue that your ballot is not private which I think puts pressure on people when they vote.

                    In the very issue we are discussing 1,797 people voted in the D-caucus for Minnesota governor. 442,137 voted in the actual primary. The number who voted in the caucus make up 0.4% of the actual primary voters and clearly the caucus does not represent the actual will of those voters.

                    In addition, candidates like Nikki Tinker and Ed Case who lost their primaries could win under a caucus scenario. One got the endorsement of Emily's List, the other got the endorsement of the DCCC, they could swing a caucus but not a primary.

                    Note: I'm referring to the Case vs Hanabusa special where Case came in second.

                    •  you are misreading the numbers (1+ / 0-)
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                      There were thousands upon thousands of product at the caucuses. Hell, there were hundreds at my U of M-centric precinct alone. But caucuses select delegates. So of our precinct of about a 8000, we allocated 26 delegates proportionately to the number of supporters. So while the numbers you are citing make it seem small, it represents only a small fraction of the total people participating.

          •  ummm (0+ / 0-)

            It is a legitimate caucus. It isn't the smoke filled rooms you have in NY special elections...

            •  Fair enough (1+ / 0-)
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              It's still very undemocratic, MAK only won with a few hundred votes, and a fairly stupid system of nomination.  

              Pro Israel, Pro Peace, and a Proud Mass-hole

              by progressive from Mass on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 06:05:16 PM PDT

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              •  And then there's the Utah GOP (3+ / 0-)
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                where Senator Robert Bennett, who actually had the temerity to cooperate with Democrats once in a while, was defeated in a similar caucus by an idiot teabagger, before the general voting public could have a say.

              •  so you are against caucuses in general? (1+ / 0-)
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                Out of principle? If that is the case, your argument makes sense. But if you feel that Minnesota's caucuses are unacceptable while places like Iowa's are valid, I would ask that you provide some form of reasoning, other than Rybak losing a free and open caucus.

                •  Ya, caucuses in general are outdated IMO (3+ / 0-)
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                  But specifically in Minnesota, she was literarily nominated with a few hundred votes, how does that make sense?

                  Pro Israel, Pro Peace, and a Proud Mass-hole

                  by progressive from Mass on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 07:34:23 PM PDT

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                  •  see my above post a few spots (2+ / 0-)
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                    Delegates are selected at the caucus and are only a tiny fraction of the total people participating. That would be like saying Obama won the presidency with only about 300 votes. It is not indicative of what hAppened here

                    •  Are the delegates pledged in any way? (1+ / 0-)
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                      You clearly know about the process more than I do. However, considering there are multiple ballots and all I don't see how they can ensure that the convention actually represents the will of the voters (which this time it clearly didn't as MAK didn't even win the primary.)

                      Pro Israel, Pro Peace, and a Proud Mass-hole

                      by progressive from Mass on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 08:49:53 AM PDT

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                      •  I was part of the process (1+ / 0-)
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                        In both 06 and 10 I was a gubernatorial delegate. The process does represent the people that caucus. On some Tuesday evening, a bunch of voters get together at a school somewhere, and they make their case for various argument for or against potential nominees. After the caucusing is done, the members of each camp are counted. Then you take the number of people in each camp, divide it by the total number of caucus goers. Then you allocate the number of delegates your precinct is allotted (this is done in advance by previous elections' DFL vote total). After that, each camp gets to select the specific delegates their candidate earned in the caucus. This is done by voting amongst the camps themselves. For instance, in the Rybak camp, in Minneapolis Ward 4 in 2004 (where I lived and voted at the time), Rybak received 15 delegates of the 26 that precinct had, because he won something like 60% of the caucus voters. Then the 400 or so members of the Rybak camp that stayed after the votes were tallied (half the people show up, cast a ballot and leave) stayed and figured out which 15 of us should be.the delegates. I was selected. So yes, we were pledged.

                        To your further point about 3 tiers, what you are thinking isn't really right. Rybak conceded that day of the precinct caucuses, and everything after that was a formality for the endorsement. Us delegates went to the second caucus, which was just our delegates, and did the same thing at the regional level. A lot of Rybak's supporters backed MAK, as she was going to be the endorsee, and he had already conceded. Then, the regional caucuses selected the state delegates to go to the 3rd and final caucus in St. Paul. I was not selected to that. But it is simply a dog and pony show before the coronation of the person that won the caucuses on day one.

                        •  Rybak won the straw poll at the precinct caucuses. (0+ / 0-)

                          He conceded at the state convention and was actively campaigning for the endorsement all the way up until then. It definitely wasn't a coronation - there were 6 ballots and voting went until 11 pm. If it had been, RT would have won since he won the straw poll in February.

                          I was a delegate to the state senate district convention (the one after the precinct caucuses for those that don't know) but not to the state convention in Duluth. My friend was an alternate to the state convention so I went with her just to watch. Our precinct caucus was so small that anyone who wanted to be a delegate could - there wasn't any voting on delegates. We also weren't officially pledged - even at the state convention. You could get elected delegate from a MAK caucus but actually vote for Rybak at the state convention but that didn't really happen because the candidates made sure their delegates were actual supporters.

                          21, Progressive Democrat, MN-08 (home), MN-05 (college)

                          by JonathanMN on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 04:42:12 PM PDT

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        •  Are you contending that (2+ / 0-)
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          had MAK been the nominee, Dems would still hold one or both chambers of the legislature?  Someone said that Dayton's strong stance on raising taxes on the wealthy drove some suburbs away from Dems last fall.

          I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

          by KingofSpades on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 06:10:06 PM PDT

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        •  Also, once maps are redrawn... (1+ / 0-)
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          Dems will get back in the majority after 2012.

          I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

          by KingofSpades on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 06:10:29 PM PDT

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  •  To me, it is EXTREMELY important that (1+ / 0-)
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    Democrats find another Senate candidate in Texas to be sure that Ricardo Sanchez does not get elected. I am completely confident that there is such a winning Democratic candidate in Texas.

    Ricardo Sanchez was the commander of ground forces in Iraq while people were being tortured in Abu Ghraib. He authorized, in writing, the use of sleep deprivation, human contact deprivation, enviromental manipulation (removal of clothing, making the environment the prisoner was in very cold or hot, keeping the lights on 24 x 7, bombarding the cell with loud music 24 x , etc.) and the use of military working dogs, all of which were torture and all of which happened to the prisoners in Abu Ghraib.

    Ricardo Sanchez wants to be rewarded for authorizing the torture of real live human beings. He is running as a Democrat. We must find a better, Democratic, winning candidate.

                  Standing for justice and accountability,
                                 For Dan,
                                 Heather

    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

    by Chacounne on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:10:20 PM PDT

    •  Not going to get into a policy discussion but... (0+ / 0-)

      ... nothing that Sanchez authorized would keep me from supporting him. Unless someone more electable comes along Sanchez has my support.

      •  So this is okay ? : (1+ / 0-)
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        Photobucket

        I would hope that instead of supporting a torturer, you would help to find another winning Democratic candidate.

                        Standing for justice and accountability,
                                             For Dan,
                                             Heather

        Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

        by Chacounne on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:31:51 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks for the NSFW warning (7+ / 0-)

          21, male, RI-01 (voting) IL-01 (college), working in MA-08 for the summer, hopeless Swingnut

          by sapelcovits on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:42:51 PM PDT

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        •  Like I said.. (1+ / 0-)
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          ...Not going to get into a policy discussion here. I respect your views but do not necessarily share them.

          •  And that is why those who authorized the torture (1+ / 0-)
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            of real live human beings have been rewarded. As the widow of a torture survivor, that attitude breaks my heart.

                              Standing for justice and accountability,
                                             For Dan,
                                             Heather

            Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

            by Chacounne on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:52:15 PM PDT

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            •  I understand why you're outraged... (7+ / 0-)

              And frankly, I agree with you that torture is NEVER acceptible.

              However, policy discussions are strongly discouraged here at DKE. Admins here prefer the discussion stay on campaigns and elections.

              •  Sanchez doesn't seem to be a terribly (3+ / 0-)
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                inspiring candidate in that respect either.  Not polling great, or fundraising great.

                I was with the unions before it was cool. -6.38, -4.15

                by James Allen on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:03:01 PM PDT

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              •  Except that this IS about a campaign (2+ / 0-)
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                and an election, and whether Democrats are going to find another winning candidate in Texas for the Senate.

                That's the reason I posted my first comment, because as I said, we need to find another winning candidate. Isn't that part of the election ?

                                         Just my understanding,
                                               Heather

                Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

                by Chacounne on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:03:09 PM PDT

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                •  this sub-site of daily kos is more about the (5+ / 0-)

                  horse race than the issues ( except to the extent an issue will affect the race).  If you want to talk issues there's infinite space at the main daily kos site, but the folks here don't want threads hijacked by fights over issues.

                  I was with the unions before it was cool. -6.38, -4.15

                  by James Allen on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:06:56 PM PDT

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                  •  Hmmmm (3+ / 0-)
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                    Well, okay.

                    1) I came here from the front page and didn't realize it wasn't a regular front page post.

                    2) I really hope this issue DOES affect this race, and plan to push to make it so.

                    Having said that, I will take my leave. Sorry for the disturbance.

                                               Just my two cents,
                                                    Heather

                    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

                    by Chacounne on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:12:05 PM PDT

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                    •  FWIW, I don't think you have to worry about... (3+ / 0-)
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                      ...Sanchez ever being a United States Senator.  He is a longshot, simply because he is a Democrat in Texas, which automatically makes almost anyone in any year a longshot for statewide office.

                      I've heard conflicting things about Sanchez's role in Abu Ghraib, but I share your discomfort no matter the story, since he was in charge there.  That said, unless his politics are in the ballpark of Zell Miller or his rhetoric and behavior are in the ballpark of Joe Lieberman, then I can't not root for him from a distance to beat the Republican, even though I won't give him a dime.

                      43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

                      by DCCyclone on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 11:13:10 AM PDT

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                •  What about Wendy Davis? (2+ / 0-)
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                  She ran an excellent campaign in 2008 for state senate, winning a GOP district in Fort Worth. The legislature destroyed her district this year and I think she'd be a fine candidate. Plus, she is just 48.

                  Although I agree with your views on torture, it wouldn't preclude me from supporting him, considering the GOPers probably hold even more extreme views.

                  Male, 14, TX-22 (previously TX-7)

                  by SLDemocrat on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:11:59 PM PDT

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                  •  She's taking that to court. (0+ / 0-)

                    To try to get it rigged back the way it was.

                    I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

                    by KingofSpades on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:58:58 PM PDT

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                    •  Forgot about that (1+ / 0-)
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                      I hope she succeeds and wins reelection in 2012 regardless. I think she could have a great future in TX politics.

                      Male, 14, TX-22 (previously TX-7)

                      by SLDemocrat on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 06:20:33 PM PDT

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                      •  Yep, a Dem elected in Tarrant County (0+ / 0-)

                        is definitely someone to have on the radar.  How old is she?

                        I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

                        by KingofSpades on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 06:23:19 PM PDT

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                      •  Young (0+ / 0-)

                        I'd goes mid 40s. Her (and State Rep. Veasy) just won a preliminary ruling saying they could present evidence that the maps made violated the VRA and act as defendants. It's a good first step.

                        Wendy is easily a statewide figure for the future and Rep. Veasey could make as a very good congressman (which is why he joined the suit, he wants a second minority congressional district). Veasy isn't statewide material, but he's not like EB Johnson (been there forever and does . . . stuff?) of Sheila Jackson Lee (lobs the partisan grenades), he's a work horse.

                        Problem is with the current maps, Veasy will still be in the state house come 2013, Wendy . . . the deck is stacked against her.

                        SSP alumni, 26, Male, Democrat, TX-26 (school)/TX-22 (home), TX-14 Pending on redistricting and Voter ID

                        by trowaman on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 08:25:35 PM PDT

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                  •  Looked her up when I read about her (1+ / 0-)
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                    in one of the re-districting articles, and she has a pretty incredible background...somewhat in the Erin Brockovich mold though in a different profession.  Not to mention, she's hot.

                  •  Davis would be an intriguing candidate (1+ / 0-)
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                    I support Lt. Gen. Sanchez as long as he looks electable. Right now, he's making no noise, and any Democrat hoping to be competitive in Texas needs to make some noise.

                    Democrat, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

                    by SaoMagnifico on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 12:51:34 AM PDT

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        •  RUMSFELD ordered that. (2+ / 0-)
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          itskevin, SaoMagnifico

          I know "just following orders" is not a good excuse, but a lot of the time it sadly is the case.

          I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

          by KingofSpades on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:57:56 PM PDT

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    •  exhonoration (0+ / 0-)

      I thought Sanchez was exhonorated of wrongdoing.

      •  He was formally cleared, but... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...some think that was a sham and he knew a lot more than he admitted or that was formally found.

        And he was definitely in charge of the prison when this horrible stuff went on, so there's no way he doesn't look bad--it went on directly under his nose, whether he had a clue or not.

        All that said, despite my uneasiness, if he pulls off a shocker, I can't not be happy a Democrat won the seat, as long as he doesn't prove to be a disaster like Zell Miller or Lieberman.

        43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 07:47:39 PM PDT

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  •  Another game (0+ / 0-)

    name all the states you've been to as well as CDs to the best of your knowledge. Places you've only driven through or connected through (airports) don't count. I use new districts where possible.

    States: Maine, NH, Vermont, Mass, RI, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, PA, Maryland, DC, Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Missouri, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, California, Alaska

    Districts: ME-01, NH-01(?), NH-02(?), VT-AL, MA-02, MA-03, MA-04, MA-08, MA-09, MA-10, RI-01, RI-02, CT-02, CT-03, CT-04, NY-05, NY-08 (?), NY-14, NY-15, NY-22 (?), NJ-02, NJ-05 (?), NJ-09, NJ-12, PA-01 (?), PA-02 (?), PA-13 (?), PA-16, MD-08, DC-AL, VA-08 (?), VA-11 (?), FL-03 (?), FL-08 (?), FL-22, FL-23 (?), OH-15, IN-01, IN-07, IL-01, IL-02, IL-03, IL-04, IL-05, IL-07, IL-09, MN-05, MN-07 (?), MN-08, MO-01, MO-02 (?), UT-02, NV-01, NV-03 (?), AZ-01, a bunch of CA districts in LA/OC/Palm Springs/San Diego, AK-AL

    21, male, RI-01 (voting) IL-01 (college), working in MA-08 for the summer, hopeless Swingnut

    by sapelcovits on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:15:59 PM PDT

  •  State election websites (2+ / 0-)
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    Why do so many states have horseshit election websites if they have them at all (I'm looking at you Wisconsin)? Having a comprehensive official website for election results down to the precinct level should not be that difficult in 2011.  Some states do an excellent job, Virginia, Washington and Minnesota come to mind, but in far to many states if you are looking for info on a current or past election it is far to difficult to find. End election nerd rant.

  •  Races to watch (1+ / 0-)
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    atdnext

    that haven't been covered a lot here (that I've noticed) ...

    SC-01(?) Charleston district -- they came close three years ago to electing an out lesbian.

    MD-06 -- Octogenarian Bartlett has been touted as vulnerable and can be caused much trouble without too grotesque a change in district lines.

    IL-17 (old#) -- the one Phil Hare lost for us.

    MO-04 -- Hertzler's kinda vulnerable in an anti-incumbent year, she hasn't had much time to get constituent service credit, and Columbia's a huge minus for her.

    •  Who would challenge Hartzler and Scott? (1+ / 0-)
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      MD-06- State Sen. Robert J. Garagiola will run here if Maryland Dems target Bartlett in redistricting...
      1L-17- This was covered here many times.

      I doubt the other two are competitive. Ike Skelton will be 81 in 2012 and I thought Linda Ketner quit politics in South Carolina.

      Male, 14, TX-22 (previously TX-7)

      by SLDemocrat on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:00:24 PM PDT

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    •  MD-6 (or whatever number) (0+ / 0-)

      would need major changes in district lines to oust Bartlett in a general election, though I'm not sure if they'd be considered grotesque.

      To make that district Democratic, you'd probably have to cut out the Carroll/Baltimore Co./Harford portions and possibly rural parts of Frederick and Washington counties (leaving in Frederick City and Hagerstown), which would be about half of its population, and substitute a large chunk of Montgomery County which would outvote the remaining Republican areas.

      This in fact was considered by redistricters in 2001 but rejected as disrupting other districts too much; not sure if it will fly this time, though such a district has been objected to as it wouldn't be anything resembling a coherent community of interest (though arguably a lot of the current MD districts aren't either.)

  •  Next Australian federal election (1+ / 0-)
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    The Gillard Labor government might lose its narrow parliamentary majority within a manner of weeks if not months as Labor MP Craig Thomson might be forced to resign from parliament, triggering a by-election.

    THE federal opposition has called for the police to start an investigation into the Labor MP Craig Thomson, saying that if the MP's denials of credit card misuse were true, then a crime has been committed by somebody else.

    The shadow attorney-general, George Brandis, was commenting following fresh revelations in yesterday's Herald that phone calls to brothels were made from Melbourne hotel rooms hired by Mr Thomson and paid for by his union credit card.


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/...

    With Australian Labor polling very badly right now, a by-election would most certainly result in a Liberal win. Also Thomson holds Dobell by a slender 5% margin. The seat is also located in the swing region of the Central coast, to the north of Sydney.

    Labor got absolutely pulverized in the Central coast during the state election in March. They lost all of the seats they held in the region including the seat of Wyong which Labor had never lost until this year.

    It's time to move forward.....away from the Tea Party!

    by ehstronghold on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:07:25 PM PDT

  •  A question (1+ / 0-)
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    MichaelNY

    has anyone ordered their copy of the new edition of THE ALMANAC OF AMERICAN POLITICS  (due out Sept. 15)? Being the ultimate junkie, I read it like a blockbuster novel every two years.

    •  Never heard of it. (1+ / 0-)
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      MichaelNY

      What's in it?

      DKE! “Music speaks what cannot be expressed, soothes the mind and gives it rest, heals the heart and makes it whole, flows from heaven to the soul.” anonymous

      by aggou on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:17:48 PM PDT

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      •  Oh my! (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        MichaelNY

        Election stats and demographics, and a recap of the most recent race for Gov and Senate  in each state, and every single House seat - including DC and the territories!

        •  OMG (3+ / 0-)
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          LordMike, MichaelNY, supercereal

          That sounds like a dream come true! I love ALL OF THAT! I love looking at how many people voted where, too.

          DKE! “Music speaks what cannot be expressed, soothes the mind and gives it rest, heals the heart and makes it whole, flows from heaven to the soul.” anonymous

          by aggou on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:22:05 PM PDT

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          •  Each house race (2+ / 0-)
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            MichaelNY, SaoMagnifico

            is about a page and a half, giving the description of the district in some detail "includes Republican Anytown Heights, Smith Valley and Redville, but not Democratic Anytown, and African-American majority That City ......" going on to talk about the race itself "Democrats had a primary between Anytown Heights mayor (the office is nonpartisan) Steve Schlub and philanthropist Wendy Hyper-Boring, who was raised in the area, moving back after her husband died ..."

            It gives the statewide census and voter demographics at the beginning of each state, plus a brief overview of the congressional districting and presidential vote tendencies.

  •  So DHS has said they will review (4+ / 0-)
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    MichaelNY, askew, nimh, DCCyclone

    deportations case by case, prioritizing deportation of criminals. Students, many brought to America as children, may get to stay. Okay, so what does this have to do with elections? Well, interestingly, Richard Lugar(and Dick Durbin) sent Napolitano a letter in April asking that deportations of some students be halted. This doesnt seem like it will help Lugar in his primary. I agree with his stance, but am surprised it came in April, when I think he knew he was going to face a primary challenger.

  •  KY-Gov: Farmer = Fletcher? (4+ / 0-)

    It's looking more and more like Richie Farmer violated the merit system with his Ag Commission hirings similar to what ex-Gov. Fletcher did.
    http://mycn2.com/...

    I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

    by KingofSpades on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 07:34:08 PM PDT

  •  Rick Perry with lead in Georgia prez primary (10+ / 0-)

    24% Perry
    15% Cain
    9% Gingrich
    8% Bachmann
    6% Romney
    5% Paul
    1% Huntsman
    4% Other candidates
    Pollster: Insider Advantage

    http://blogs.ajc.com/...

  •  VRA question about L.A. County (1+ / 0-)
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    atdnext

    in my map, i have the following as hispanic vra

    dreier
    becerra
    roybal-allard
    richardson
    linda sanchez
    waters

    and one black vra

    would this fly?

    18, D, new CA-18 (home) new CA-13 (college). Economic liberal, social libertarian, fiscal conservative. Put your age and CD here :) -.5.38, -3.23

    by jncca on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 08:28:13 PM PDT

  •  Democrats (9+ / 0-)

    had an amazing week recruiting in the Arkansas Senate. A trio of State Representatives, Tracy Pennartz, Johnny Hoyt, and Linda Tyler will do their best to steal Republican seats next year. These seats are competitive. Tyler will face Republican Jason Rapert, who might be the worst Republican in the entire country. Democrats will have a chance to increase the number of women in the Senate, get rid of some of the most conservative buffons, and in the process choose moderate populists and not Dan Boren conservatives.

    Republicans have a major oops coming in that body; but they are looking better in the State House and for the 4 congressional seats.

    •  You said that (1+ / 0-)
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      that the State House, as drawn last month, would not go Republican unless there was an utter collapse worse than 2010, correct?  I hope that it's just a temporary recruiting drought.

      I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

      by KingofSpades on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 09:30:52 PM PDT

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  •  Brian Dubie campaign manager (1+ / 0-)
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    Corry Bliss is working for Linda Mcmahon in CT and wants to be her campaign manager.

    http://blogs.burlingtonfreepress.com/...

  •  I'm interested in Feingold's primary (4+ / 0-)
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    of Obama, like many of the front-pagers who come here. Oh, wait...

    Seriously, thanks for posting a song from before you were born (and the same year I was born). I enjoyed it.

    Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

    by MichaelNY on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 10:54:37 PM PDT

  •  Is Muhlenberg a credible pollster? (0+ / 0-)

    If so, this is pretty bad, especially because it's in a key Obama state. Like all polls, good or bad, this doesn't mean much of anything definite, especially this early in the game, but it's still better to be up rather than down. There's really nothing good to report in a poll that says he's at 35 percent approval, except that he's still somehow leading his general Republican opponent by six points and that a third of voters said their decision will be based on which Republican he faces.

  •  AIF/McLaughlin & Associates (R) Florida 2012 Prez (2+ / 0-)
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    •  and here's the pdf (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Looks pretty bad... (4+ / 0-)
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      That a Republican pollster can't give Romney any bigger lead than a point over President Obama in a light-red swing state.

      Democrat, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

      by SaoMagnifico on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 08:36:16 AM PDT

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      •  Yep. I'm actually not as afraid about Obama... (3+ / 0-)

        Losing Florida. The demographics are definitely moving in Democrats' favor.

        •  If the information I've seen is correct, (2+ / 0-)
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          MichaelNY, atdnext

          there's a shockingly large number of unregistered black voters in the state. Perhaps it's not correct and reflect conditions before the 2008 election, or maybe just a bizarre number of people don't want to vote, but I find that hard to believe.

          Go here and take a look at Table 4B, not just for Florida but for other states. It's the last time information was made available for this sort of thing, as far as I know,

          Come to think of it, I should look into how accurate this is. I've been meaning to do so, but keep forgetting.

          •  Obama '08 did less in FL than other battlegrounds (2+ / 0-)
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            SaoMagnifico, MichaelNY

            Obama ditched Florida in the primaries when the state moved up to the early date against the rules, so Obama didn't ramp up organization there until much later compared to other battlegrounds.

            Voter registration in particular is something that to really make a difference needs to happen early, and of course they weren't there that early back then.

            This time they should be moving on that task already,
            they'll get a lot more people registered.

            43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

            by DCCyclone on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 07:43:09 PM PDT

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            •  I didn't know or forgot about that in Florida. (2+ / 0-)
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              DCCyclone, MichaelNY

              That's very good to know.

              I have to think I am making a bigger deal of this than I should be making, because to me, it seems like the story that nobody is talking about but should be: a huge untapped well of voters that Republicans simply won't have access to. Even if they do better with black voters than they have ever done in recent memory--getting, say, 25 percent in the state--Obama could almost certainly win the state by getting a massive chunk of these people to the polls. And if he wins the state, it's far, far more likely that he wins the presidency.

              Perhaps, as you indicate, it was a matter of time and other structural factors that prevented them from taking advantage of these people last time. Whatever the case, I hope they are prepared to leave no stone unturned in the state.

  •  Analysis of PPP weekly poll (7+ / 0-)

    Much bandwidth taken up with the enthusiasm numbers, 48% D, 54% R. Less mention of minorites being more excited about 2012 in the same poll, AA and Hispanic both 56% with whites at 47. Conservatives are also only two points more excited than liberals, 60-58. If you go through the president's job approval then this makes sense since we still find that the more conservative the voter the higher their disapproval - liberals actually approve 81-15 (80-17 the previous week), moderates 54-39 (57-39 previously) and conservatives 13-85 (19-78 previously). Democrats still approve 77-18 (exactly the same figure as the previous week). This all says to me that the vast majority of opposition to the president within the party is still from the right and not the left.

    http://dailykos.com/...

    •  And similarly (5+ / 0-)

      Obama's job approval numbers are down because of increased moderate, conservative and independent disapproval and not Democratic or liberal disenchantment. That may not be what people want to hear but it is what the data says.

    •  "Enthusiasm" needs a grain of salt in... (3+ / 0-)
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      askew, SaoMagnifico, Inoljt

      ...the week-to-week fluctuations.  I've noticed that there are some wild fluctuations  in the enthusiasm crosstabs that don't make sense that over time clearly prove to be just statistical noise.

      The only thing that is 100% consistent is that black voters are far more enthusiastic about next year's election than anyone else.  That is true in every poll of enthusiasm I've seen, by PPP and others, without any exceptions at all.

      I actually hope black voter turnout eclipses last time.  I have observed over my lifetime that black voters often tend to circle the wagons around embattled African-American public figures, and in this case they should do so with the greatest gusto ever since Obama is embattled not for any personal controversy, but simply for being the President in a recession that's been so hard to dig out of.

      On enthusiasm of other groups, Hispanic enthusiasm has been sometimes higher than that of white voters, but more often about the same, and occasionally lower.  Asian enthusiasm has been consistently lower than everyone else's, but again with occasional exceptions.

      The groups I can't follow are the Native American subsamples, which are tiny and curious.  Hell, PPP goes so far as to distinguish between federal and non-federal tribes, when no other pollster ever singles out Native Americans as a subsample.  I imagine only in the few states and districts with large Native American populations do pollsters do that breakdown, and usually only in private campaign polling.

      43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

      by DCCyclone on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 11:35:17 AM PDT

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    •  Pretty interesting all and all (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MichaelNY

      For example: On Democratic party favorability, +6 for women, -20 for men!  But women and men feel very similarly about the Republican party in this survey, with -29 for women, -26 for men.

      25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

      by Xenocrypt on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 08:33:21 PM PDT

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      •  I guess that's normal (1+ / 0-)
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        I knew there was a gender divide, but it's sharper than I thought it was.  For example, some CNN exit polls: In the national House polls, women said they voted Republican 49-48.  Men said they voted Republican 55-41.  http://www.cnn.com/...

        In South Carolina, with a male Democrat running for Governor against a female Republican, women said they voted for the Democrat 50-49, with men saying they voted for the Republican 55-43.
        http://www.cnn.com/...

        Kelly Ayotte won men by 34 points, according to that exit poll, but won women by just 12: http://www.cnn.com/...

        Does anyone know if this is the norm, or if it's increased from past elections?  CNN's 2008 exit poll for the national House election has men voting Democratic 52-46, and women voting Democratic 56-42--that's a 6 point margin vs. a 14 point margin, an 8 point difference.  In 2010 it was a 13 point difference.  http://www.cnn.com/...

        In 2006, it was a 9 point difference: http://www.cnn.com/...

        In 2004, another sharp difference, 14 points: http://www.cnn.com/...

        25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

        by Xenocrypt on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 08:48:39 PM PDT

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      •  That gap with men is one reason why (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        MichaelNY

        I suggested he do things like make short announcements about the progress of further stimulus on Sundays during football season. I'm not a sports guy, so perhaps I am saying something stupid, but I can't think of a better way to reach people that are normally hard to reach and to do it in a way that wouldn't be hugely annoying.

        If he can cut down on that gap, it'll be a very big deal.

  •  AZ Redistricting: It's Option B... (2+ / 0-)
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    James Allen, Darth Jeff

    Or is it?

    The Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission (AIRC) has decided to use the maps described as 'Option B' as a foundation for drawing the redistricting maps for Congressional and Legislative districts.

    According to the AIRC, these grid maps are only a starting point, mandated by the Arizona Constitution. "This is to ensure that each Independent Redistricting Commission starts from scratch," the website reads.

    The grid map reflects only two of six criteria for redistricting that the Constitution requires the AIRC to consider: Equal Population; Compactness and Contiguousness.

    Now the chosen maps must be modified to account for the other four criteria, which are:

    Compliance with the US Constitution and the Voting Rights Act
    Respect for Communities of Interest (COI)
    Consideration and incorporation of visible geographic features, such as municipal and county boundaries, undivided census tracts, etc.
    Creation of "competitive districts where there is no significant detriment to other goals"

    So the bad news is that Option B was taken, but the good news is that in the coming weeks Option B will be changed... And hopefully, for the better.

  •  I'm trying (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    atdnext

    to baconmander Nevada.  Any tips?  What are the thresholds for Swing, Lean R, Likely R if you go by Obama/McCain numbers?

    I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

    by KingofSpades on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 02:07:57 PM PDT

    •  I was thinking (0+ / 0-)

      of baconmandering all 4 districts, but neither would be that Dem.  So I've decided to pack Republicans into one and get 3 more solid Dem districts.

      I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

      by KingofSpades on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 02:14:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Are you going to keep Washoe County (0+ / 0-)

        in the vote sink?

        Male, 14, TX-22 (previously TX-7)

        by SLDemocrat on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 02:15:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  The red parts of it. (0+ / 0-)

          I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

          by KingofSpades on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 02:17:10 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Playing with it earlier (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            KingofSpades, atdnext

            It seems to me like anything north of Sparks and Reno you can just leave in the Republican district. Pick up mineral county on your western arm (or split it between two if you want to). Reno can't all be lumped into the Democratic district either, as there is a good chunk of it that is quite Republican. Another tip would be to keep north Las Vegas separated from Las Vegas itself. And naturally most of Henderson should be in your vote sink.

            •  Not quite. (2+ / 0-)
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              KingofSpades, James Allen

              Sun Valley is just north of Reno & Sparks, and it actually has an increasing Dem lean.

              And don't automatically discount Henderson as a Republican vote sink. I live here, and my precinct is quite swingy. To the west and north of me, the precincts are actually almost as Democratic as the ones you'll find in The East Side. And there are more pockets of Democratic voters along "The Eastern Corridor" near Horizon Ridge, and in Old Henderson as well.

              This is why it isn't as easy to gerrymander Nevada. Democrats seem to be concentrated in a few areas, but the view from 37,000 feet up can be quite deceiving.

        •  Geez, the rural areas are so devoid of life. (1+ / 0-)
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          MichaelNY

          I knew that already, but they're such a stark contrast to Reno and Las Vegas.

          I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

          by KingofSpades on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 02:27:30 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I was just playing with it. (1+ / 0-)
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            KingofSpades

            I drew a district which takes in Dem areas of Sparks and Reno and barely straddles the border until it can pick up some heavy blue areas in the Las Vegas area. 59% Obama. I also drew two other Las Vegas districts at 62% Obama each plus my huge vote sink which was 56% McCain. Joe Heck gets a safe district. Pretty much the same as what OGGoldy did, I would think.

            Male, 14, TX-22 (previously TX-7)

            by SLDemocrat on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 02:57:48 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  My GOP vote sink is 55.7% McCain. (1+ / 0-)
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              56% seems to be the absolute ceiling for what you can do in Nevada in the way of Republican districts.  I also tried to do a 50% VAP Latino seat, but could not.  All I got are plurality Latino seats.

              I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

              by KingofSpades on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 09:56:05 PM PDT

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  •  LA County Redistricting (1+ / 0-)
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    http://discussions.latimes.com/...

    This looks like an epic battle in the making. I'm definitely interested in seeing what happens to Supervisor Knabe.

    Swingnut, new CA-38 resident, more punk than you! Chairman of the DKE Ginger Left-handed caucus.

    by uclabruin18 on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 02:27:55 PM PDT

  •  MI Dems Send Snyder a Birthday Card (3+ / 0-)
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    Really kind of petty, but I couldn't help but chuckle at this:

    The Michigan Democratic Party had a special message for Gov. Rick Snyder's birthday on Friday: Thanks for nothing.

    Two women delivered a giant birthday card to Lansing's Romney Building Friday afternoon for the governor's 53rd birthday.

    "Happy Birthday Gov. Snyder," the foam-board card to the first-year Republican governor reads. "Thanks to you it has been a fabulous year for those at the top … but from the rest of us, THANKS FOR NOTHING!"

    The Michigan Democratic Party spokesman John Tramontana confirmed the card came from the Democrats.

    A spokesman for the governor's office called the move "repugnant."

    The card contained negative newspaper headlines and dozens of handwritten notes, including several that are too vulgar to be printed. Milder notes include: "Thanks for a new tax on my pension!"; "Happy Recall"; and "Dumb A-- Smarten Up."

    ...

  •  A potentional challenger for Dan Burton (2+ / 0-)
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    St. Rep. Scott Reske is considering running in IN-05 according to the Howey Political Report. The GOP paired him with a Republican incumbent in a House seat he could not win. He probably figures he has a better chance here. He is a tough campaigner and won in 2010 against a hand picked Mitch candidate. Because it took in so much more of Northern Marion County, all of Madison County, and part of the City of Kokomo, it moved to a McCain 52.62, Obama 46.55 district. It also dropped three GOP counties in the North and GOP heavy Southern Marion County, plus all the suburbs to the east and south.

    "So there's a time for silence, and there's a time for waiting your turn. But if you know how you feel, and you so clearly know what you need to say, you'll know it. I don't think you should wait. I think you should speak now." -Taylor Swift

    by SouthernINDem on Sat Aug 20, 2011 at 06:24:59 PM PDT

    •  Correct me if I am wrong, (1+ / 0-)
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      but weren't most if not all of the new Indiana districts surprisingly not terrible for the Democrats?

      •  We still have chances in the 2nd and 8th (5+ / 0-)

        They actually made the 8th less strong for themselves to help out the 7th. Incumbent Buchson is facing a tough primary challenge from Kristi Risk, plus we have two strong candidates in the race, Dave Crooks, a former state representative and Terry White, an attorney.

        Our candidate in the 2nd will likely be Brendan Mullen, an 33 year old veteran who is supported by the establishment. Although the district was reddened significantly, it is still an Obama district and the republican candidate will likely be the controversial Jackie Walorski.

        I think the 7th could be competitive, but the GOP has a strong incumbent and we don't have any good candidates willing to take the plunge, as far as I know.

        Male, 14, TX-22 (previously TX-7)

        by SLDemocrat on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 09:30:34 AM PDT

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        •  The 7th? (1+ / 0-)
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          I thought that was Andre Carson's Indianapolis-based district.  That should stay blue.

          23, male, Democrat (-4.50, -3.79), NY-05 (born + early childhood), NY-21 (college), NY-09 (current)

          by Nickers on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 10:09:30 AM PDT

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        •  I'm less concerned about previous electoral (1+ / 0-)
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          histories of candidates than others here, particularly for House seats. It always helps, particularly if the person does have a history of out-performing the leanings of a district, but it's hardly necessary.

          It's definitely hard to take down an incumbent, but as I like to remind people, while Barry Welsh only got about 33 or 35 percent in Mike Pence's congressional district in 2008, Barack Obama got 46 percent. To me, that suggests people in that district aren't reflexively anti-Democratic. They might be in Burton's district, but there are always some that will never fall. It's hard to say exactly what 2012 might look like, especially if Obama doesn't place as much emphasis on Indiana as he did last time, but in any way possible, we should try to be as expansive and aggressive as we can be--in both Indiana and other states.

          •  I don't think the Barry Welsh (2+ / 0-)
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            races are equivilant here either. He raised $45k in 06 and $25k in 08. He had no money or significant backing. It was not seriously contested in either year.

            My hope is that Burton limps out of the primary and Reske is waiting for him if he runs. Burton is so crazy and far right that some more moderate Republicans might peel off. I am a skeptic whether a Democrat could win here, mainly because of the GOP stronghold of Hamilton County. Burton has never had to run a general election campaign since elected here in 1982. Reske also has to consider his new State House seat voted 62-37 for McCain and he is paired with a GOP member.

            I hope the 9th District is competitive next year, but so far, all the potentional candidates have said no.

            "So there's a time for silence, and there's a time for waiting your turn. But if you know how you feel, and you so clearly know what you need to say, you'll know it. I don't think you should wait. I think you should speak now." -Taylor Swift

            by SouthernINDem on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 03:26:41 PM PDT

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            •  It would be awesome to defeat Burton that way. (1+ / 0-)
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              What was the lean of Reske's old district?

              I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

              by KingofSpades on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 03:39:23 PM PDT

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              •  It was about (2+ / 0-)
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                53/46 Obama, it was the southern part of Madison County, with Pendelton and about 60% of the City of Anderson.

                "So there's a time for silence, and there's a time for waiting your turn. But if you know how you feel, and you so clearly know what you need to say, you'll know it. I don't think you should wait. I think you should speak now." -Taylor Swift

                by SouthernINDem on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 04:32:07 PM PDT

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            •  Oh, I agree about Welsh's underwhelming (0+ / 0-)

              campaign. My point, however, was simply to point out that it didn't have to be that way, that perhaps a more targeted effort would have given Pence a much bigger scare if not given us an outright win. Like I said, the district as it was then gave Obama about 46 percent of the vote, so it's not, I think, reflexively anti-Democratic. Perhaps that was helped along by McCain barely contesting Indiana, but still, they did vote for him.

              I get that there are limits to how much time and effort we can put into different districts, but in 2012, if possible, and certainly going forward when possible, if we are going to contest a state, we should seriously contest every district possible. There's no guarantee we can win; after all, in Indiana 03 and 04, both Democratic candidates raised considerable sums, only to barely crack 40 percent. I can't say for sure, but I bet more could have been done. In general, though, if nothing else, we can build up for the future.

              •  The scary thing is (1+ / 0-)
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                that given the republican gerrymandering in so many states, we may need seats like this to win the House back. Republicans in many states are simply consolidating their 2010 gains like Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. They are not going after our seats there (except to eliminate seats), but to solidify there seats.

                "So there's a time for silence, and there's a time for waiting your turn. But if you know how you feel, and you so clearly know what you need to say, you'll know it. I don't think you should wait. I think you should speak now." -Taylor Swift

                by SouthernINDem on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 08:00:27 PM PDT

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  •  Maybe I defend the president too much (2+ / 0-)
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    As always there is evidence to support most every opinion. We all know that life in general is much more complicated than black and white. This excellent article does a great job at explaining the balance required.

    http://www.salon.com/...

    •  Good read. I think the balance of error is... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...overstating the President's power, certainly on the left , and to a lesser extent in the media and among swing voters.  I think Obama hasn't understated his power all that much, except perhaps early on.  He certainly hasn't understated it since the midterms, he's maximized his leverage since that time.

      Not unique to Obama, most people overstate the President's power under all Presidencies.  It's why there's a public hyperobsession with the Presidency.  One prominent example of all this is all the 3rd-party efforts, lately by these self-identified "radical centrist" elitists who started these nonsensical groups like No Labels or Americans Elect.  It's a twisted perspective that they assume the solution to the ills they diagnose are somehow a 3rd wheel in a Presidential election.  In this regard they are delusional and far more foolish than any Libertarian (with an uppercase "L") or Green, as those people actually "get it" that they need to try to compete at the bottom at least as much as the top.

      43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

      by DCCyclone on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 06:22:39 AM PDT

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  •  This cant be a smart idea of Romney's part (3+ / 0-)
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    •  Sounds like a man of the people (2+ / 0-)
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      Bharat, MichaelNY

      by which I mean the Mitt Romney definition of people.

      21, male, RI-01 (voting) IL-01 (college), working in MA-08 for the summer, hopeless Swingnut

      by sapelcovits on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 08:44:09 AM PDT

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    •  No, it's probably not a smart idea. (1+ / 0-)
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      That is, it wouldn't be a smart idea if there's a chance that he'd be attacked for it, when I doubt there is such a chance. If even a tenth of the time that has been spent attacking Obama for going to Martha's vineyard, where he's still, you know, running the goddamn country as opposed to turning off his phone for ten days, is devoted to going after Romney for this if he's the nominee, I will eat my shorts.

  •  Pataki to Possibly Run; Nobody Could Possibly Care (7+ / 0-)

    From Political Wire:

    Sources tell NY1 former New York Gov. George Pataki (R) "is strongly considering entering the crowded race for the Republican presidential nomination."

    "Sources say Pataki, who left office in 2007, could make an announcement as early as next week."

    •  Romney probably isn't thrilled (2+ / 0-)
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      It's Rep. Paul Ryan he has to watch his six for, though. Ryan has committed enough apostasies that hardcore conservatives will probably stick with the Crazies (Rep. Bachmann, Gov. Perry, Herman Cain, potentially Sarah Palin) but he's conservative enough that the establishment will likely defect to him en masse from Romney, Gingrich, and the corpse of the former Pawlenty campaign.

      If Ryan gets in, I foresee a brawl between him and Perry for the nomination once the chips start going down next February. In the interim, I expect we'll see Romney and Bachmann fight losing battles to take up their respective sides of that equation (with Bachmann possibly remaining a factor through Iowa), Palin either get in or stay out (her doing the former would send a potentially devastating signal that Perry isn't the droids the Tea Party is looking for, considering how much the media fixates on her and how powerful her fundraising machine is), and Jon Huntsman, Jr., and to a much more relevant extent Rep. Paul continue to provide entertaining sideshows (and seriously, somebody make these guys honorary Democratic hatchet men).

      Democrat, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

      by SaoMagnifico on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 10:19:44 AM PDT

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      •  Wouldn't you want to be in the room (4+ / 0-)

        when the Obama White House's political advisors learn of the news that Paul Ryan is running, if it does in fact happen? I can't think of a better person to run against. He's got all of the usual faults that these guys have, but he's the face of the Ryan plan. It's not that hard to force Romney or Perry to wear this around their necks, but it's a goddamn cakewalk if the candidate is Ryan. And that's to say nothing of how good individuals like McCaskill and Tester and others, along with any number of House Democrats running, would feel about his entry into the race.

        All of that said, I don't think he will run, but a guy can dream.

        •  Ryan has another problem... (4+ / 0-)

          He doesn't hate Obama enough for the GOP electorate.

          GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

          by LordMike on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 12:48:50 PM PDT

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          •  How do you know that? (1+ / 0-)
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            It certainly seems plausible, but is this more your inference or is there some written proof?

            •  He's always been very respectful... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...and deferential to the president and Democrats in general.  He even said that trying to pass a balanced budget amendment was pointless, because it was wrong to force Dems to vote against their conscience.

              He doesn't hate Obama enough.  He will disagree with him vehemently, but always in a respectful way.  That's not going to get you the nomination.

              GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

              by LordMike on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 09:34:23 PM PDT

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              •  I didn't realize this. (1+ / 0-)
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                The part about the balanced budget amendment is especially surprising; where did you read that?

                I have to say, this was nice to hear. I still think lots of, well, not nice and unpleasant things about his public policy ideas and believe he's WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY overrated as some sort of intellectual force, but it's pleasant to learn that he's not a flaming asshole.

    •  whatever (4+ / 0-)
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      He must be really, really bored. He'd probably get more votes than McCotter.

      SSP poster. 42, CA-5, -0.25/-3.90

      by sacman701 on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 10:20:40 AM PDT

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  •  I made my first-ever out-of-state donation (3+ / 0-)
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    A paltry fiver to the Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiias campaign in WA-01.

    I like Marko Liias a lot. And I really, really don't want either Karen Ruderman or (far worse) Rep. Kucinich anywhere near that seat.

    Democrat, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

    by SaoMagnifico on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 10:21:19 AM PDT

  •  Palin to Iowa on 9/3 (3+ / 0-)
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    for some tea party speech. I bet my friend she wasn't going to run, and he paid up, but now I'm thinking I just might be eating crow. Thoughts?

  •  MI-14 (2+ / 0-)
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    U.S. Rep. Hansen Clarke is saying on his Facebook and Twitter pages today that he plans to run for the newly redrawn 14th district, currently represented by U.S. Rep. John Conyers.

    Rumors have swirled since the new maps were drawn that Conyers and Clarke, both Detroit Democrats, might swap districts because their two new districts bear little resemblance to their old districts.

    The new 14th stretches from the Grosse Pointes through northern Detroit, into Oakland County and up into Pontiac. The majority of the district lies outside the city of Detroit.

    http://www.freep.com/...

    I'm a little disappointed because I would have preferred Clarke as my representative.

    •  That's not right. (0+ / 0-)

      Clarke and Conyers should serve together.

      I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

      by KingofSpades on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 03:37:47 PM PDT

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      •  Minority (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm probably in the minority, here, but what happened in 2010, and given all of their ages, I'd have personally been happy to see Conyers, Dingell, Levin, and Kildee all announce they'd gracefully bow out (all being over  80 or literally on the threshold of it), and let the new generation taken over.

        In the case of the 13th and 14th, in particular, I don't see this as unfair, at all.  It'd be unfair to push Clarke out, because the GOP decide to push Conyers district onto Clarke's.  Conyers is a westsider.  This new 14th district (eastside Detroit) isn't his district no matter how much you turn it.  Geographically, this is Clarke's district, and I'm glad he's running for it.

        •  Clarke (0+ / 0-)

          I think it could be risky for Clarke to switch.  The new MI-14 adds a lot of new territory from Oakland county.  That's why there are a number of people talking about running for the seat.  Southfield Mayor Brenda Lawrence said she is thinking about running regardless of who the other candidates are.  She would be a formidable candidate because she represents a city in Oakland county but is from Detroit.  If she does well in Oakland county while picking up even a small portion of voters from Detroit, Clarke could in trouble.

          As far as the older representatives retiring, I agree somewhat.  I, however, would like Levin to run again only because I'm not a big Peters fan.  MI-9 will be pretty Democratic and I would rather have a more liberal candidate there rather a moderate like Peters.      

  •  Lol (7+ / 0-)

    while phonebanking for Kate Marshall, I got a guy who complained that the NVDP had called him yesterday and said "I hope every Democrat drops dead." But at least he was polite enough to wish me good luck at the end. Of course, he could have meant "good luck dropping dead."

    21, male, RI-01 (voting) IL-01 (college), working in MA-08 for the summer, hopeless Swingnut

    by sapelcovits on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 12:26:52 PM PDT

  •  Gaddafi (1+ / 0-)
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    Rumor has started to spread that he has been killed. No news outlet is confirming it yet, but with the rumblings, I am starting to wonder if that it is true. If it is true, I imagine there will be a boost in Obama's approval rating

    •  Well whatever (6+ / 0-)

      The rebels are storming Tripoli as we speak. Great win for them and the people of Libya. Good for the president too since he spent quite a bit of capital on this. He can't win the election on national security but neither can the Republicans touch the guy that got bin Laden AND Ghaddafi.

        •  WAR POWERS ACT!!! (3+ / 0-)
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          We won't be hearing that again, except in a whimper, regarding Libya.

          Pretty big vindication for our President on this.

          43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 07:54:24 PM PDT

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          •  You're right (1+ / 0-)
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            But I never celebrate an imperial presidency, regardless of what he does (I did support the air war against Qaddafi on the merits and celebrate his defeat). And I wish instead of usurping Congress's war powers, he had done more within his power to cram down underwater mortgages and do other things that help people in the pocketbook and affect elections more.

            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

            by MichaelNY on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 10:38:35 PM PDT

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            •  It ain't either/or (1+ / 0-)
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              I respect an opinion that opposed and still opposes U.S. military intervention in Libya on principle, whether moral or strategic or both.  I don't think I agree, but I fully and completely respect it.

              I think Obama is owed an admission that he was right from those who opposed Obama's Libya action simply because they didn't think it would work, either because it wasn't heavy-handed enough (McCain's and Lindsay Graham's complaint) or because they thought the rebels a lost cause.  I still can respect in hindsight a sincere opinion that the choice of strategy was wrong, but only if people with that opinion now admit they were wrong.

              But I think it very much a fallacy to say this effort somehow diverted from dealing with the economy.  It did not.  A President must multitask.  We're not a small and weak country with limited resources, we're the strongest country in the world and have more expected from us than anyone else.  There is nothing Obama could've done on the economy that he didn't do because of Libya.

              43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

              by DCCyclone on Mon Aug 22, 2011 at 11:36:23 AM PDT

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              •  Just to be clear (1+ / 0-)
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                I did not oppose the intervention; I supported it and I'm happy with the outcome in Libya. However, I opposed the ridiculous excuse the president gave for ignoring the War Powers Act and the constitutional prerogatives of the Legislature in regard to war powers, and I'm unhappy with the effect that has on the nature of the presidency in general (not his in particular) in the US. So it's really purely on a constitutional basis that I've had a problem with this air war, and only really once the War Powers Act was supposed to have kicked in 60 days after the bombings started.

                Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                by MichaelNY on Mon Aug 22, 2011 at 11:59:17 AM PDT

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    •  Well, rebels are doing better in Tripoli (3+ / 0-)
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      than I expected.  I was afraid the whole time the rebels have been at that they would ultimately get brutally torn asunder.

      I'm going to need a SWAT team ready to mobilize, street-level maps covering all of South Florida, a pot of coffee, twelve jammie dodgers and a fez.

      by KingofSpades on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 03:37:15 PM PDT

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    •  authoritarian regimes wouldn't happen (4+ / 0-)

      if they just made election nerds the leader.  what's the last thing an election nerd would eliminate?

      "President whomever, our party's doing poorly, we suggest eliminating the imperial senate."

      "But I won't get to see how the elections will turn out."

      "Our guys will probably lose, stop the elections!"

      "No, that's boring.  maybe if they campaigned better they wouldn't be in this mess."

      "But, but that's hard!  it's so much easier being an oppressive totalitarian regime."

      "Too bad.  democracy remains unhindered."

      "Can we at least stagger the elections so that they occur less often than once a month?"

      "Maybe."

    •  the sudden surge of rebels (5+ / 0-)

      towards Tripoli should have this resolved in a few more weeks, I think, and in the end Obama will be able to say that we helped the Libyan people win their freedom.  I don't think it'd be a huge boost, but it'll no longer be adding to his negatives, which is enough of a win.

      I was with the unions before it was cool. -6.38, -4.15

      by James Allen on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 04:33:00 PM PDT

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      •  This event has a big irony in that... (10+ / 0-)

        ...there almost certainly won't be a polling bump for Obama from it, at least not one that gets his average quickly to 50, but it's going to matter in a more lasting way come campaign time.  This is a tangible accomplishment, one that many considered highly improbable, that makes him look smarter than everyone, especially the Republicans.  All the GOPers running for President have egg on their faces on this now.

        National security won't decide the election, but Obama has established himself as THE guy who should be answering the phone at 3:00 a.m.  That's something to brag about, and worth some 30-second ads.

        43, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and a boy, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 07:41:45 PM PDT

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  •  New Mexico- (1+ / 0-)
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    why doesn't New Mexico have a VRA district?  Two of its CDs are majority Hispanic in total population, but none are by voting age population.  It can be done.  It may not be pretty, but it's possible.

    I was with the unions before it was cool. -6.38, -4.15

    by James Allen on Sun Aug 21, 2011 at 07:18:10 PM PDT

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