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Rick Perry graduated from Texas A&M in 1972 with a 2.2 GPA. He graduated with a bachelor's degree in Animal Science. There are 2 A's, 19 B's, 27 C's, and 8 D's. And one of those D's is in Principles of Economics.

That comes out to:

A - 3.5%
B - 33.3%
C - 47.4%
D - 14%
F - 1.8%

These are some awful grades.

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Rick Perry's college grades.

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  •  Good grief. (19+ / 0-)

    He got D's and F's in organic chem and C's in physics.

    Might explain his views on evolution and creationism.

    I would have been so embarrassed after my first semester I probably wouldn't have returned.

    It's shameful.

    866-338-1015 toll-free to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them.

    by cany on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 09:52:23 PM PDT

  •  I'm not concerned so much about his GPA; I wasn't (4+ / 0-)
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    all that much in college either.  I'm way more concerned about why little Jimmy Perry from Haskell, Texas, decided to become "Rick" when he grew up.  What must I be missing here?

    "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    by Jack K on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 09:54:13 PM PDT

  •  Oh dear lord, at A&M? (15+ / 0-)

    He spent too much time cheerleading.

    The guy's argument is that the difference between him and Shrub is that Shrub went to Yale and he went to A&M.

    Which basically boils down to "The only difference is that I'm dumber than W, so vote for me."

    •  Bush only went to Yale because daddy had (10+ / 0-)

      deep pockets.

      "Hahai nō ka ua i ka ululā'au" -- Hawaiian proverb.

      John Boehner? The sleaze bucket who hands out bribes from big tobacco on the House floor?

      by Nulwee on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:22:28 PM PDT

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      •  not quite right (6+ / 0-)

        1.  Grampa Prescott Bush was on board at Yale when GW was admitted

        2.  Father GHW Bush went through Yale Phi Beta Kappa in two and half years after serving with distinction in the Navy during WWII.  He also played baseball, with Yale appearing in 1st two college world series, with Bush captaining the team the 2nd time.

        In  other words, Shrub was a legacy to be sure, but it was not because of his father's money per se.

        "what the best and wisest parent wants for his child is what we should want for all the children of the community" - John Dewey

        by teacherken on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:45:49 AM PDT

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    •  For the most part (12+ / 0-)

      people who went to A & M annoy me.   My east European relatives  -- who know a thing or two about "group think" --  used to make jokes about gung ho A & M types who got all excited about their "fight song" and other such tendencies.  I have to say that I almost walked out of a wedding where the groom and bride -- Aggies -- decided to so their first dance to the fight song.  Sorry but there's something about the A & M ethos that gives me the creeps.   It does not surprise me in the least that Gov. Good hair was an Aggie.  Of course he was.   He's the choice of voters who think George W. Bush was just a little too cerebral.

      •  Compensation anxiety (4+ / 0-)
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        They'll never be UT - I guess that's what it's mostly about.

      •  I am one of the first 13 women to go to A & M 65 (4+ / 0-)

        You are painting with a pretty broad brush.  Even then half the population was not the Corps.

        I often felt the same way toward Tsippers as we called UT.

        I always felt this was something very honorable about being willing to stand for the 13th man.  I also felt A & M represented some of the best of our military.

        That does not mean that I did not know jerks like McCain types who like his Dad came out of Annapolis as did Carter and Ike came from West Point.

        I was there when Gramm arrived and always saw him as a jerk--particularly in economics and never in my wildest imagination would have dreamed het would become a senator.

        Dubya regularly came to round up at UT and hung out in regualr basis with his frat brothers there.  He was followed regularly by the Texas Rangers to make sure he stayed out of trouble and there were a ton or rumors of all kinds--women, animals, men, drunken brawls, abortions etc.  They all got major jobs and there was no blue dress.

        I don't blame Harvard for its wretched alumns nor do I give them the credit for the good ones.  By the time you get to college, you are already a product of other major environmental influences.

        I learned a lot at A & M, good, bad, beautiful and ugly and I could hold my own at Standford.  I also chose how I used all of it and so does everyone else from everywhere else.  I have never experienced more social snobbery than Standford and yet their band was wicked funny.

        As an army brat I went to 3 different high schools using Wisconsin's fight song---and when I was young and into football--it always got me excited rather it was on ye brahmas or on ye vikings or on ye cougars.  LOL

  •  People misunderestimate Rick Perry. (7+ / 0-)

    :-)

    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:18:47 PM PDT

  •  I am doing better than Rick Perry! (10+ / 0-)

    Rick's GPA: 2.2
    rexy's GPA: 3.42

    Thats 13 A's, 11 B's and 2 C's

    read it and weep Parry.

    "The clown car always has room for one more" - a hilarious kossack

    by rexymeteorite on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:31:00 PM PDT

  •  It's not the grades themselves (4+ / 0-)

    I've never cared much for putting too much emphasis on a candidate's college grades. (My own were no great shakes either, although they were quite a bit better at Perry's and also at a more demanding school.) Remember, some Democratic candidates have had to answer for some mediocre transcripts here and there too.

    No, what does bother me is when they show no sign of having developed any intellectual curiosity since then. That was the problem with Bush as far as I was concerned. It's one thing for a spoiled rich kid to get into Yale and then sleepwalk through those four years (as a Yalie myself, I've met quite a few of them). It is possible to learn from such an experience. My issue with Bush was (and is) that he hadn't learned anything since then either. Remember his most famous quote about those years: "I don't recall any heaviness ruining my time at Yale." Not one word of regret for having effectively wasted a seat thousands of other young men would have killed for (this was a few years before Yale went coed), or having had access to the finest education money could buy and having squandered it, or having made any effort to improve his attitude about learning since then. No, all he had to say about it was how much he enjoyed goofing off for those four years.

    I don't know as much about Perry as I did about Bush - yet - but I won't be surprised if he turns out to have been cut from the same cloth. Still, even a jerk like him is innocent until proven guilty.

    Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

    by RamblinDave on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:31:57 PM PDT

    •  He was in the (0+ / 0-)

      ,'Corps of Cadets' which is a demanding program (like a military school within the A&M university environment). I don't know about then but there is a certain GPA expected. The Aggie Band is part of the Corps.

      Personally, I think that President Obama could have benefited from such a program, he might have acquired some leadership skills, which he sorely lacks IMO.

      "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

      by Bluefin on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 06:55:44 AM PDT

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      •  I think you may have to allow (1+ / 0-)
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        that he has some leadership skills. After all, he did somehow manage to get elected president as  a black man with a Muslim sounding name post 9/11.

        •  I think candidates are mostly guided and (0+ / 0-)

          shaped by their handlers in an election campaign.
          I was glad to vote for him (though not 1st pick), overjoyed that he won and the Bush cabal was finished.
          Since then it has been mostly disappointment as he clearly lacks the leadership this crippled nation needs to recover from a lost decade.
          Are things better for most now? Seems to be getting worse for most.
          Yeah, Dems are faced with implacable foes to a degree not seen before, that's when strong leadership is most needed. Instead we're fed 'bipartisanship' and pre-capitulation tactics.

          "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

          by Bluefin on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 10:49:24 AM PDT

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          •  Interesting theory (0+ / 0-)

            but then I think you need to explain how it was that Plouffe and Axelrod's previous presidential candidate clients (e.g., Dick Gephart, John Edwards, Tom Harkin) failed so spectacularly. Clearly, the candidate himself has something to do with it?

  •  BTW... he also got an F unless my (5+ / 0-)

    eyes are failing me.

    That would be in organic chem lab, spring semester 1970.

    Good job, guy.

    866-338-1015 toll-free to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them.

    by cany on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:34:49 PM PDT

  •  Another C student from TX? (4+ / 0-)

    Been there, done that.

    Question . . . has the rest of the country had enough? No cuz they have more pressing matters . . . Snooki goes to the gym and Kate plus 8 got cancelled.

  •  Bet on it, Perry will play it up, like he's just (8+ / 0-)

    a regular guy, not an egghead like Obama. It plays right into the anti-intellectualism at the core of his appeal.

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:44:06 PM PDT

    •  how can we fix this? (0+ / 0-)

      It's an uphill battle, but one at the crux of may problems in US politics.

      I don't have an answer, unfortunately, but my instinct is that things can be done to address it.

      Is there some 'special interest group' that speaks on behalf of smart people? :-)  AAUW?

  •  Sadly, being a complete idiot has never... (8+ / 0-)

    ... disqualified someone from being president.

    Watch Rex, Political Dog give hell to Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and various rightwing lunatics on Twitter.

    by Bob Johnson on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 10:54:03 PM PDT

    •  and apparently being the smartest man in the (2+ / 0-)

      room doesn't help one be a good president either.

      (the credentialism on display in this thread is really annoying)

      •  "Credentialism?" (3+ / 0-)
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        amk for obama, Deep Texan, Kamakhya

        Yes, having President Rick Perry is equivalent to Obama or any other president.

        Or something.

        Watch Rex, Political Dog give hell to Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and various rightwing lunatics on Twitter.

        by Bob Johnson on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 11:04:07 PM PDT

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      •  You know why I object to your comment? (9+ / 0-)

        At most universities, you can retake a class for a better grade. Some schools let you retake a class once and replace that grade; after that, you have to average your grades. Some schools actually let you retake a class over and over until you get the grade you like and then that grade you like replaces all the others.

        So... when one gets a D in Meats, one does not have to be satisfied with that grade. One can (and many college students DO) retake the class. After all, the university wants for you to actually learn the stuff, not just earn grades. So if you take the class a second time and LEARN it, everyone wins.

        So, Mr. Perry earned a D in several classes. Some of those may be tough classes (genetics or trig for example). What bugs me is that he was SATISFIED with that D.  

        And yes, it's hard to retake classes. I took a zero on a midterm because a friend committed suicide and his funeral was on the day of the funeral. The professor wouldn't let me reschedule it. That zero dropped my A- to a D.  I retook the class despite going to school full time and working full time. So I had an even heavier load.

        My roommates were applied math and engineering students. Each of them retook a class here and there as well because those classes are HARD.

        But that's what you do when you have a bit of pride in what you do, when you're not willing to let things slide and be satisfied with crappy results.

        It's not the grades themselves. It's like I tell people all the time, a college education teaches a lot besides what's taught in the classroom, and a transcript tells us more than some people realize.  The guy was a cheerleader and couldn't get an A in gym. That says to me that he didn't go to class consistently.

        I want a president who shows up even when no one is watching.

        © grover


        "Overflow zone. So much thinking going on." -- Meteor Blades, August 2, 2004.

        by grover on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 01:21:01 AM PDT

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        •  See my comment and link above. (0+ / 0-)

          Corps members don't have much slack time (not a 'cheerleader').

          "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

          by Bluefin on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 07:00:04 AM PDT

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          •   I taught at a major university. (2+ / 0-)
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            I had student athletes and others involved in student activities:  band, cheer,  ROTC, etc. And those who cared, got it done, those who didn't, didn't.

            And really? We're arguing over what his extracurricular activities were?  I heard on the news he was a "yell leader." But I was typing in the middle of the night and made a mistake by calling him a cheerleader (and a typo). But i wasn't  wrong. All you have to do is check before you correct someone:
            http://www.governor.state.tx.us/...

            My point was that he was athletic and couldn't earn a A in gym. When I was in college, student athletes (and  others involved in outside activities)  used to drop into our PE classes all the time to get credit for classes they missed when traveling. Yes, I took ballroom dance one semester and suddenly, I was dancing with a defensive lineman mid-semester: it was his first class.  It was hysterical, and yes, it disrupted class.

            But faculty was expected to help out those students who made the effort to be active in extracurricular activities and do all their class work too.  I did when I taught.

            If that Corps program had such high standards, I don't see it in those grades. If he didn't have enough slack in his schedule, whose fault is that?   Was it the university's (or maybe the corps') obligation  to tell him to back off the fraternity activities or the yell leading because his grades were suffering? Or do we expect adults to act like adults?

            I have a hard time imaging that in Texas, of all places, student athletes, yell leaders and Corps members wouldn't given   consideration to work around travel and crazy schedules.

            But you have to want it. You have to ask and you have to DO the work.

            Don't tell me about how hard it is to schedule everything into a hectic college life. I did it while working 1-2 jobs, paying my way, going to school full time and still being active on campus, and stil getting good grades.  (And I wasn't unique by any means). Not every professor will be sympathetic. But many are. But most don't give away grades.

            As I said, you have to show up.

            © grover


            "Overflow zone. So much thinking going on." -- Meteor Blades, August 2, 2004.

            by grover on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 09:26:41 AM PDT

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            •  Far be it for me to defend Perry, I've been (0+ / 0-)

              warning y'all around here on DK for two years that he was coming.
              Most have denigrated him and scoffed at the threat, now the wolf is at the door.

              He's not dumb or slothful, you don't become PIC and pilot aircraft in the USAF for five years if you are.
              Whatever caused the low grades I don't know nor care about, this is here and now, that was then.  I doubt he had that much free time to spend swilling beer in the Hole in the Wall.
              The Corps and 'yell leader' aren't what you think either. They are demanding activities, not the usual college 'extracurricular' stuff. They shape leaders, which is what we are lacking in today. I encouraged my kids to join as fish, but they had already heard how tough it was and politely declined. I'm a little too close to it maybe, I was even nearby (like two blocks away) when the '99 bonfire accident happened.

              "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

              by Bluefin on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 11:20:58 AM PDT

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              •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

                Honestly, I don't get you.

                I said this

                But faculty was expected to help out those students who made the effort to be active in extracurricular activities and do all their class work too.  I did when I taught.

                and you said this:

                The Corps and 'yell leader' aren't what you think either. They are demanding activities, not the usual college 'extracurricular' stuff

                I don't quite understand how yell leader is harder than being on the debate team, student government, working on the newspaper, or being on the basketball team. But I taught MWF afternoon classes, noon, 1pm and 2pm. My Friday afternoon classes were often half empty not because my students were off at the beach partying but because so many activities required weekend travel.

                I worked with all my students. Heck, I worked with my students who contracted mono so that the whole semester didn't get ground up in  the garbage disposal.

                I don't quite understand the idea of saying THIS school sanctioned extracurricular activity is necessarily better (or more difficult) than THAT one. Students sign up for what attracts them and what they feel will help build their skills. You may think that certain programs build certain skills better. But that's your opinion. I happen to think that the newspaper editor, crew team leader, and the student government president developed excellent leadership skills.

                I didn't draw those distinctions. I treated my students equally and with respect. Those who showed up (in class, office hours, or via other arragnements) earned pretty good grades over all.

                Those who didn't, didn't. As for the  leadership arguement, a major part of leadership is time management. If you're not doing the most integral duties of your position -- getting decent grades as a college student for example -- I don't consider you a good leader.

                Just my opinion, based on my experience at a very large, non-Texas university.

                I don't know TAMU. So I guess this is a good place for me to stop.

                Have a great weekend.

                :)

                © grover


                "Overflow zone. So much thinking going on." -- Meteor Blades, August 2, 2004.

                by grover on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 01:30:58 PM PDT

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        •  algebra and trig are remedial courses (1+ / 0-)
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          Try to find algebra and trig in the offerings of most 4-year colleges today. These aren't tough courses and have been expected of high school students for at least the last 30 years.

          In some ways, I can sympathize. His advising was absolutely atrocious. He should have spent a couple of years at a community college with deficiencies like this. More importantly, he should have never been enrolled in a college-level chemistry or physics class until he could demonstrate proficiency with the math needed to tackle the course material. Most students today are taking those classes with some calculus under their belts. How in the world he was steered to a pre-vet or similar major baffles me.

      •  Well, it often doesn't (1+ / 0-)
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        Getting extremely good grades requires a particular skill set. The absence of that skill set does not necessarily mean a person isn't remarkably intelligent and capable, nor does its presence mean a person is good at everything, including leadership.

        In fact, I'm tempted to say especially leadership. The most book-smart individual I knew in college would have made a terrible president. Why? He was manipulative, obnoxious, extremely inflexible and willing to lie like a rug to get his way. (I suspect he may have had Asperger's syndrome - when he made up his mind about something, absolutely nothing would stop him including walking all over his friends.) While those characteristics can help you get ahead in the short term, they're pretty much guaranteed to destroy the kind of relationships a good leader needs.

        Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

        by RamblinDave on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 02:59:12 AM PDT

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  •  He got D's in "Meats" & "Feed & Feeding" (5+ / 0-)

    Not only is that an indication of idiocy, but it would appear that those would be core courses to his major.  I'm surprised he was even allowed to graduate without repeating the courses for a better grade.  

    If you ask "what color is the poster" when someone criticizes the President's policy or track record, you are probably a racist. If you assume white progressives don't like the President's policies because of his skin color, you are definitely a racist.

    by Celtic Pugilist on Thu Aug 18, 2011 at 11:22:56 PM PDT

  •  How did the Air Force let him become a pilot? (1+ / 0-)
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  •  The Rubes Who Vote For Perry Will Love This..... (1+ / 0-)
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    They'll think he's like them......not an elite from one of those back east, snobbish schools.  He's one of us, down to earth, a good old southern boy.  Why.....he likes sweet tea, & bourbon & a good pair of worn cowboy boots.

    They'll eat this up.....no one needs organic chemistry in the real world.  

  •  Assuming this is true, now the teabaggers (3+ / 0-)

    will throw him under the bus for all those A's and B's. Too much elite for them

    One bitter fact is two bit hacks populate the third rate fourth estate who are truly the fifth columnists. So, how did Obama piss you off today ?
    Call the media when they Lie

    by amk for obama on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 02:59:41 AM PDT

  •  Rick Perry is a piece of shit (0+ / 0-)

    I'm surprised he's able to find a job with those horrendous grades from some two bit community college.

    •  WTF? Fuck you, and the lame donkey you rode (1+ / 0-)
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      in on.
      No, I'm not a Perry fan.

      some two bit community college

      "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen auf das Vierte Reich! Sie Angelegenheit nicht mehr.

      by Bluefin on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 07:04:26 AM PDT

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  •  At the risk of getting hit (3+ / 0-)
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    with the "elitist" tag, if you can't even earn a 3.0 (or really a 3.5 or better) in college, you aren't one of the best and brightest this country has to offer, and there's no way you should be Governor of a state, much less POTUS.

    ....no longer in SF.... -9.00, -7.38

    by TFinSF on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:09:20 AM PDT

  •  If this doesn't make the Rec list (4+ / 0-)
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    h bridges, fwdpost, Fury, Kamakhya

    please repost at a time when you can get more traffic.  People need to know about this impressive display of scholarship.

    ....no longer in SF.... -9.00, -7.38

    by TFinSF on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:24:25 AM PDT

  •  Though I hate to stick up for the guy, (2+ / 0-)

    sometimes the grades are as much about maturity and readiness as intelligence.  In my first semester, right out of HS, I managed a GPA of 1.1.  I flunked out after three semesters.  I just wasn't ready.

    A few years later, I went back and eventually graduated (from a very prestigious school) with a GPA of 3.95.  All as except one B in a 1 credit lab.

    All I'm saying is that I'd hate to be judged on that first transcript.

    You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

    by rb608 on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 04:37:03 AM PDT

  •  I graduated with a 2.49 (2+ / 0-)
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    Deep Texan, Wee Mama

    Because of my own laziness.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 05:06:16 AM PDT

  •  I guess someone eventually told Perry (4+ / 0-)
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    Deep Texan, h bridges, Fury, Kamakhya

    he needed to give up on being a pre-vet and go into something easier.

    Like politics.

  •  This will only make him more popular in (1+ / 0-)
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    the red states.

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 06:44:25 AM PDT

  •  A C student, then. Reminds me of one famous.. (0+ / 0-)

    Astronomy prof at the University of Michigan, Hazel Losh. Supposedly gave grades of A for athletes, B for boys, C for coeds. In this, though, she said that she would also give D for dummies who believed in that myth about her grading system.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Fri Aug 19, 2011 at 08:44:06 AM PDT

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