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The Senate's oddest oldest threesome - McCain, Lieberman, and Graham - went to Tripoli in August 2009 to meet with the Libyan government. Bush having declared Qaddafi our new good buddy after Qaddafi made polite noises about not killing quite so many people.

The three Senate hawks discussed in detail the Qaddafi regime’s security needs with Libyas National Security Adviser, Qaddafi’s son Muatassim. According to the cable:

    5.(C) Senator McCain assured Muatassim that the United States wanted to provide Libya with the equipment it needs for its [a Libyan security program]. He stated that he understood Libya’s requests regarding the rehabilitation of its eight C130s [a transport plane] and pledged to see what he could do to move things forward in Congress. He encouraged Muatassim to keep in mind the long-term perspective of bilateral security engagement and to remember that small obstacles will emerge from time to time that can be overcome.

Think Progress

A C-130 is a transport plane, as noted. In fact the C-130 may very well be the transport plane before whom all others tremble. It's not the biggest or the fastest; it has, however, been in continuous production since 1954. It is flown by more than 60 nations. It's the largest plane ever to land on and take off from an aircraft carrier; it is the plane used for flights into and out of Antarctica. They are legendary for their ability to land on, and take off from, anything reasonably near to a smooth surface while carrying a lot of stuff - 45,000 pounds of stuff for the C-130H Libya flies. That's the equivalent of 90 combat troops, or 2 armored personnel carriers. And you can create a "runway" out of a stretch of desert by removing the larger rocks and trees with hand tools. As boring transport planes go, the C-130 is pretty cool.

Do you suppose that having half a dozen or so of those might have been helpful to Col. Qaddafi in his efforts to slaughter his countrymen prior to the establishment of the no-fly zone?

More below the Orange Squiggle of Power.

At another point, McCain and Graham reiterated pledges to push to fulfill the Qaddafi regime requests at the Pentagon and on the Hill:

    Senators McCain and Graham conveyed the U.S. interest in continuing the progress of the bilateral relationship and pledged to try to resolve the C130 issue with Congress and Defense Secretary Gates.

OK, now we've got Graham as well, trying to improve Qaddafi's military capabilities.

As for the pustular boil:

According to a leaked August 2009 U.S. diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks recounting the Senators’ junket, the neoconservative Connecticut Senator captured the dynamic of aligning with a brutal dictator:

    Lieberman called Libya an important ally in the war on terrorism, noting that common enemies sometimes make better friends.

The idea of a war on terrorism may, possibly, be Dubya's worst gift to the American people. It certainly is a useful paradigm for those who want to support dictators.

But then - who could have predicted? - the political winds shifted.

When suddenly — as if Qaddafi’s repression had emerged from out of the blue — McCain and his clique returned to their perches as the staunchest advocates of U.S. military action in Liyba, taking to the airwaves to lament the U.S.’s mere three-week delay to build international consensus and calling for arming the Libyan rebels.

I wonder if anyone on the Sunday Morning Talking Heads Fests will ask Senator McGrumpyPants about his erratic behavior?

Oh, I almost forgot - this is good news for John McCain!

Originally posted to aardvark droppings on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 10:38 AM PDT.

Also republished by Wikileaks Informationthread.


Will anyone in the MSM call McCain on his self-contradictory behavior?

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Comment Preferences

  •  Tips and Recs (37+ / 0-)

    For demonstrating that it's not "my country, right or wrong" with John McCain; it's "Barack Obama, always wrong, because he beat me!"

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 10:37:13 AM PDT

  •  The Gruesome Threesome (7+ / 0-)

    I think McCain just set his proverbial aircraft carrier on fire again.

    And just like last time, rather than helping put out the fire, he went below deck and gossiped with journalists.

    •  Too much time spent on afterburner in the parking (2+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark, chimpy

      lot.  (Or in his case, too many beans and the side-effects that entails, within the Senate Chamber.)

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      -Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 11:25:38 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Actually, McCain set his aircraft carrier on (2+ / 0-)
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        blue aardvark, chimpy

        fire because he loaded up his jet with bombs too heavy for the attachment mechanism.

        He wanted to bomb bigger and faster.

        Just like he said he wanted to do in Libya.

        It's amazing how exact the metaphor is.

        •  1967 Forrestal (CV-59) fire... (4+ / 0-)
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          From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Somehow a Zuni Rocket was discharged (electrical anomaly?) on the flight deck of the carrier from an F-4 Phantom.  Aircraft #405 piloted by Fred White was on the receiving end of the Zuni.  The missile did not explode due to a safety mechanism, but JP-5 fuel from White's punctured external fuel tank started spraying out and ignited.  In the end, White and 133 others were killed during the fire. 161 were injured.

          McCain's airplane, #416, adjacent to White's, was in the fire, but escaped by climbing out the nose of the plane and on the refueling probe.  THAT particular incident, one could argue, wasn't McCain's fault.

          McCain has lost five aircraft, however, and maybe trouble follows him around.  (In Kaddafi's case, I think he found the trouble for himself.)

          Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
          I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
          -Spike Milligan

          by polecat on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 12:04:20 PM PDT

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          •  The missile fell off the aircraft because (0+ / 0-)

            it was too heavy. It wasn't the cause of the initial fire, but it exploded once it fell off the plane and the fire then went out of control.

            He had been warned by his superiors about not using those bombs as they weren't designed for his plane.

            But he wanted to blow up more Vietnamese.

            •  No, the missile came off an F4, not McCain's plane (2+ / 0-)
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              And there was a significant investigation as to why that happened and it appears it was because of a combination of factors:
              1) the tag/pin preventing launch had blown away
              2) there were issues within the electrical pigtail connected to the missile (that should not have been connected until after the plane was ready to launch)
              3) An internal power surge due to switching from external power to internal power.

              All of this on the F4 Phantom, not on McCain's A4.

              This wasn't McCain's fault.  It was a fundamental procedural problem, as well as electrical problem not to mention a firefighting problem (different firefighters were using water vs. foam and working against each other) that became a required lesson for all navy personel.  Everyone on a naval vessel is a firefighter first.

              While I don't personally care for McCain, he wasn't the cause.

              Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
              I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
              -Spike Milligan

              by polecat on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 01:18:48 PM PDT

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              •  That's incorrect (0+ / 0-)

                The articles I've read said it was McCain's bombs that fell off. The neighboring plane(s) as well once the fire started, but McCain disobeyed direct orders in attaching oversized bombs to his plane, and he had done it repeatedly.

        •  a lot of people would like proof he caused it (1+ / 0-)
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              I think somebody has spent a lot of time trying to correct the record, which basically shows he didn't.
            So either the record is fiction, or it's fact.

          Maybe the obvious services hostility easily found online today to him was that (I'm guessing here after reading a lot of it):

          1. he is now and probably was a smug self-entitled asshole, demanding 'respect' as a Admiral's son and grandson.( 'kiss mah ring and mah grits'  ) ( his arrogant attitude blisters from the actual service and educational record of this smug mfkr ) ( it would be obvious even if we'd never heard from him or of him since)

          2. He didn't (according to the reports I've read online) do any heroic firefighting (many did and suffered and died)

          3. Was whisked off the ship the next day to another carrier (was a pilot, in short supply) rather than stay and do whatever with shipmates (wouldn't look good to have the burden of the Admiral's son suffering on your boat, and probably glad to be rid of him)

            I think the claim that he caused it was:

          1. either covered up at the highest levels (too hard, not buying it)

          2.  the only way ordinary seamen could get him some getback, indicating to me just how much of an asshole he is.

          But if you have anything like proof rather than this Viet Nam era repeated claim I would love to hear it and broadcast it far and wide.

          The other issue with McCain is how did he create such hostility that there is a widely distributed claim he recieved special treatment in Viet Nam, sold out some fellow prisoners, and wasn't abused.
              Was this cause it was true and he had to cover to be elected on the Reeper guns and Warhawkery label?
             Were these claims against him from fellow repubs during primary battles?

              It's an interesting story, and every time he opens his pie hole it matters, once again.

             The mil service veteran's hatred of him is current in comments way beyond dkos and leftie blogs, they sound like authentic VN era hostility instead of a leftie pretending for political antipathy, like me...the hostility seems very authentic to me, the claims less so.

          Why is that?

          ..squinting all the while in the glare of a culture that radiates ultraviolet consumerism and infrared celebrity...Russell Brand

          by KenBee on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 12:33:00 PM PDT

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    •  How does that Lieberman brain work, anyway?! (0+ / 0-)

      Can he sense embarrassing situations developing, and then drop everything to involve himself in them? He doesn't seem to let one major outrage go by without planting himself firmly on the wrong side.

      Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

      by chimpy on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 03:21:34 PM PDT

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  •  I know he has dealt with this before and it sounds (0+ / 0-)


    But he is a Terrorist send him to Gitmo.

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 10:50:10 AM PDT

  •  Ironic? (6+ / 0-)


    “Americans can be proud of the role our country has played in helping to defeat [Gaddafi], but we regret that this success was so long in coming due to the failure of the United States to employ the full weight of our airpower,”

    I yield my remaining five seconds.

    by Sylvester McMonkey Mcbean on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 10:51:47 AM PDT

  •  SOP (4+ / 0-)
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    Rick Aucoin, drewfromct, KenBee, kurt

    sell to both sides, perpetuate war and profits for the corporate overlords.

  •  "pustular boil" (3+ / 0-)
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    summarizes the 3 of them quite well.

    "The Greek word for idiot, literally translated, means one who does not participate in politics. That sums up my conviction on the subject." Sen. Gladys Pyle (1890-1989)

    by Melanie in IA on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 10:53:08 AM PDT

  •  Try not to be under the pigs as they fly by. /nt (0+ / 0-)

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    -Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 11:24:20 AM PDT

  •  Republishing to Wikileaks Information Thread (n/t) (2+ / 0-)
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    KenBee, blue aardvark

    The United States is not just losing its capacity to do great things. It's losing its soul.--Bob Herbert. gulfgal98's corollary- Our soul is gone.

    by gulfgal98 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 11:50:50 AM PDT

  •  This is a good deal (0+ / 0-)

    we sell Lybia planes, Qadaffi shoots them down, he buys more planes.  

    i do have a certain begrudging respect for the conservatives like the NR crew who still defend Qadaffi and Mubarak, not to compare the two in terms of repressiveness/threats to American interests.

    "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

    by Loge on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 12:10:06 PM PDT

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