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I haven't seen any mention of this story but my sister-in-law lives near Lincoln, CA and a developing story is hitting the wires

Firefighters to drain propane from burning rail car in Calif. as thousands remain evacuated

The train car on fire is near a storage facility for propane with something like a million gallons of propane

Fire officials initially said the blaze could continue for 21 days, but on Whitt said Wednesday that scenario was unacceptable. Nearly 5,000 homes in the city of 40,000 are evacuated, and students in the area are missing their first days of school.


The danger officials are trying to head off would be a catastrophic failure of the 29,000-gallon tank caused by a buildup of heat, which would lead to an explosion and massive fireball several hundred yards wide.

So the next time you hear the commercials for "Safe, clean energy" tell them to take it to Lincoln, CA.

And more to the story...

As I just stated in the comments there is more to this story than the fact it is just happening. What I didn't initially include was the location of that school being evacuated.
The school is across the street from the storage depot. Across. The. Street.

This is what happens when industry and business are allowed to "regulate themselves" and when there aren't zoning rules in place that ensure homes aren't built on toxic waste sites or schools next to chemical plants. This is the "Somalian Paradise" that's already making its way into America thanks to Republicans and their quest to destroy government.

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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    Modern Conservatism isn't simply about them owning as much as possible; it's also about breaking anything they can't own.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 10:46:21 AM PDT

  •  This is a dangerous situation but FYI... (6+ / 0-)

    ... propane (aka LP gas) and natural gas are not the same thing. Propane is a byproduct of the petroleum refining process and is shipped highly pressurized in tanker train cars and trucks. Natural gas is gas that has formed underground and is tapped or extracted, usually by drilling and more recently by "fracking."

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    by itzik shpitzik on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 10:52:09 AM PDT

  •  Hydrocarbons explosive. (1+ / 0-)
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    •  In a way. But given my relatives can see the (5+ / 0-)
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      depot from their house I'm not quite in the dismissive mood you might expect.

      This is really an issue with poor safety oversight and improper zoning. WTF is a million gallon propane depot doing a couple of blocks away from a neighborhood and directly across the street from a high school?

      This is the "paradise" Republicans want to bring to America.

      Modern Conservatism isn't simply about them owning as much as possible; it's also about breaking anything they can't own.

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 11:00:42 AM PDT

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      •  which was there first, Depot or 'hood? (3+ / 0-)
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        asking because I don't know but here there have been situations with long established "hazardous" facilities of one type or another that a developer builds next to then the new home owners start to complain about the facility.....Here it's a problem with the city encroaching on DMAFB flyways   mostly solved for the time being but......

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        by buddabelly on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 11:46:55 AM PDT

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        •  The depot, IIRC (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm not really blaming the facility for its location. But the fact there is no real rules or zoning restrictions is the end results of years of business hacking away at government control and oversight. And this is what you get for that.

          Modern Conservatism isn't simply about them owning as much as possible; it's also about breaking anything they can't own.

          by ontheleftcoast on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 11:52:34 AM PDT

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          •  I'm not sure there's a good decision. (1+ / 0-)
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            Fuel depots really need to be near where the consumption is.  Fuel, be it propane, gasoline, hydrogen, what have you, is very heavy, and transporting it is necessarily dangerous.

            If you build the gigantic fuel depot out in the middle of nowhere, you'd have to waste large amounts of fuel trucking it over to consumers.

            Which is essentially trading the possibility of one big event for the occasional propane truck hitting someone or flying off the road, even without the fuel costs.

            •  Near doesn't have to be "in the school's backyard" (0+ / 0-)

              though. That's the difference I'm talking about. Yes, there are unpleasant realities of modern life (sewage treatment, gas pipelines, etc.) but there need to be real rules in place to deal with them. Government oversight isn't magic, but lack of it is often tragic. Sorry for the jingle, but it makes my point easier to remember.

              Modern Conservatism isn't simply about them owning as much as possible; it's also about breaking anything they can't own.

              by ontheleftcoast on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 01:02:25 PM PDT

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  •  which was built first, school or storage? (6+ / 0-)

    If the storage facility was there first what idiot put a school next door?
    If the school was there first, what idiot took the bribe to put the storage facility next door, and is it too late to put him/her in jail???

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    by BlackSheep1 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 11:43:39 AM PDT

    •  The idiot who put the school there was probably (0+ / 0-)

      the developer. But I'm only guessing that they were allowed to do it because they're we no rules against them doing so. Which means that while I'd like to see them in the gray bar hotel I don't think it will happen. What I'd like to see is this tragedy become a wake-up call to the results of there being a lack of government oversight. But that's even less likely than the developer getting jail time.

      Modern Conservatism isn't simply about them owning as much as possible; it's also about breaking anything they can't own.

      by ontheleftcoast on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 12:20:35 PM PDT

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  •  "Safe propane" (2+ / 0-)
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    The "facts" behind this slogan are that propane, IIRC, releases fewer emissions per unit of energy than gasoline or heating oil -- its combustion characteristics aren't that dissimilar to natural gas which is why they get confused.  It has nothing to do with the physical safety of handling the stuff.  One of the attributes that makes propane a cleaner fossil fuel than, say, heating oil is its volatility.  The good news is that it explodes with less carbon footprint than a comparable oil-powered explosion.  Imagine my relief.

    •  There are several (0+ / 0-)

      Propane, Butane, Methane (natural Gas)

      Propane has a lower freezing point than Butane or Methane...and is a by-product of refining gasoline...

      My Uncle back in the '50's ran his farm equipment & Chevy Trucks on Propane... Don't know what it cost to convert then, but now it's probably Several Thousand... - Why!!

      The man who knows and knows he knows not is a wise man

      by OpherGopher on Wed Aug 24, 2011 at 12:43:34 PM PDT

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