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An interesting article was brought to my attention today, it's not really a new thing but I just felt the need to talk about it. According to a new Harvard study white people in America feel more discriminated against than Black people. I've heard this malarkey over and over and over again. I feel the need to shed a bit of light on "Reverse Racism".

My first issue with "Reverse Racism" is that it doesn't exist, and you people (YOU PEOPLE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU PEOPLE?!) feel the need to whine over something that isn't real. Racism is racism regardless of the perpetrator's or the victim's ethnicity. Racism isn't just a White on Black thing, it's a "everyone like me" on "everyone not like me" thing and we all need to realize this. It's true that racism in America as a whole isn't at the epidemic levels it use to be but it isn't like that was hundreds of years ago and everything is just peachy for black people now.

  There are a lot of things I personally dislike about Affirmative Action but the thing that gets me the most is the notion that every moderately well off African-American individual is only moderately well off because of it. From President Obama, to Herman Cain, to Alan West there's this idiotic idea that these guys were handed everything and got to where they are because the system favors them. That they don't deserve what they have, they took high profile positions because of their skin and nothing more. More recently, since the release of Rick Perry's disastrous college grades, we have seen various Right Wing bloggers, pundits and personalities call for Obama's grades in hopes that they are horrible. Barack Obama went to Columbia and Harvard Law without being a "legacy student" and graduated from Magna Cum Laude. Because of those things I'm pretty sure his grades were fine, but why was this made into a talking point?  Because they don't think he deserved to go to these schools, because he's an outsider. Darker complexion guys with funny names get into prestigious schools with horrible grades everyday right?

   I mentioned this on twitter once or twice, but in case you didn't know- White women have benefited the most from Affirmative Action. Now that isn't a bad thing considering the gender wage gap is shrinking every year and that unemployment for that group is considerably lower than the national average around 6.1% while among Black men  it's 16.5%.  But why is it that despite this, white people still feel they suffer more discrimination? After numerous studies shown that employers will not hire "black sounding" names with the same resume as more common "white" names, after 'Mud People loans', Redlining, disproportional conviction rates, sentencing rates, and poverty rates why do they feel the most victimized? It's pretty simple, what you're feeling isn't discrimination or "reverse racism". What you happen to be feeling is known as  a loss of entitlement.

  You people see things as "oh Blacks and Mexicans and Asians and the Feminists are taking over because of programs that favor them". That's not it.  What's happening is they are getting more opportunities that at one point were strictly only reserved  for the White Protestant male. You're losing White privilege  and you project this as discrimination against you. All I can really say is, calm down.  People like you still pull all the strings and a lot of them are trying very hard to keep it that way.

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  •  Interesting and insightful (7+ / 0-)

    I especially like the "what you happen to be feeling is a loss of entitlement" quote.  

  •  Good luck with your first "post" (1+ / 0-)
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    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 03:27:35 PM PDT

  •  Reverse Racism - as defined by white people (6+ / 0-)

    Here's my story:

    Back in 1990, recession, not as bad as this, but still, I went through the interview process for a shift manager position.  They got (so they said) 300 resumes, culled it to 20 phone interviews, culled it to 10 HR interviews, culled it to 5 plant interviews/tours, culled it to 3 president's interviews, one dropped out, so it was me or the other guy.

    I didn't get the job.  As the ole job hunting manual says, I went back and politely asked if there was a reason the other guy got it over me - I explained I was just trying to match my experience, my skills, my education and how I interview to the right position, had invested a lot of time in the process, and just wanted to know if there was any specifics I was lacking.

    You'd have thought I threw a bomb in the room.  The (white) HR Manager sputtered, hemmed, hawed, and said "I don't have to tell you, there's nothing going on here".  The (white) operations manager I interviewed with saw me, I asked him, he turned red and said "I can't comment".  The (white) Plant Manager then saw me as I was walking out, asked why I was there, I told him, he pulled me in a stairway and said "I'll deny I ever said this, but we took the black guy".

    Ahah! Reverse racism!  

    But wait.  I presume his was one of the 300 resumes, yes? And got picked, yes? And he made it through the other interviews, yes? And so, if he had made it that far, all things were fairly equal, and at that point, the president had  then gone to intangibles.

    Is it then wrong that he decided that maybe having an all lily white management staff in a company where over 50% of the workers were minorities didn't send the best message, and so here was an opportunity to change that? I don't think so.  

    But this is me, I'm willing to think this through.  Too often, people do not think it through like this, and the ignorant reactions of the other 3 managers to my question would have many white people crying reverse racism.

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 03:30:06 PM PDT

    •  It's really not hard to figure out. (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks. The thing that people forget is hiring "action" takes place all of the time. We seek certain types of people all of the time. It's very hard to find a good fit and someone without flies circling their head or who appears to be acting a role or who seems to have no people skills or communication skills, or is slumping in their chair or is seething with some kind of shit just under the surface. It's very hard to find a good fit and if you can find one who is culturally or racially diverse from your staff that is so much extra, that's something that either took lots of effort or happened in a rare chance that shouldn't be passed up. There's nothing illegal about making such a decision and it shouldn't need legislation or a federal program to make happen because it's good business and good for the community.

      Some of the most obvious generalities to prefer a woman or POC over a white male in a generally white male enterprise is that they bring diversity of thought, creativity, are ready, willing and able to work harder, are resilient, and have endured more personal challenges.

      It's really not hard to figure out, it's just good business in the generalities. Doesn't always work out the way you imagined but you have to try your best shot.

      Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

      by kck on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 04:05:25 PM PDT

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    •  any time a woman or African American or whoever (8+ / 0-)

      gets a job over you, it is reverse racism.  I knew a female med student years ago when med school classes had a dozen or fewer females in each class; she blew the top off MCATs, had a 4.0 undergrad in molecular biology plus an MS in the same discipline.  She was in the MD/PhD program and was a top student.
      Fellow stopped her in hall one day.  He was well known as a legacy admission; he had too much juice not to be accepted but it seems his very best buddy had not made the cut and he loudly voiced his opinion about women and minorities getting preferential treatment that screwed his buddy over royally.
      Somehow she had insulted him and he let her have the full force of his opinion that she had taken his buddy's slot in class and she should just drop out because she was going to get pregnant and never do anything important.
      She repeated his charge 'I took your friend's place?  No you are wrong. You took your friend's place" and walked off  

  •  liked the tone, the content, and the theme (5+ / 0-)

    of your post.

    thanks - no pontificating, just the situation.

    Glad to see it here.

    "There's nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires." - President Obama

    by fhcec on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 03:33:21 PM PDT

  •  Well the Billions and Billions Spent to Magnify (4+ / 0-)
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    tytalus, kck, esquimaux, asterkitty

    those impressions probably has something to do with it.

    The rightwing has been running on jealousy of benefits for everyone needing help --at the cost of YOURRRR tax dollars stolen by liberals-- since the New Deal. The modern rightwing movement used busing and affirmative action as two of their centerpiece issues as soon as those programs began.

    And the more we cut such programs the louder the rightwing screams that we're expanding them.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 03:38:40 PM PDT

    •  way to shut up wingers is to point out to them (0+ / 0-)

      Rush and Hannity and other wingers do not believe in white superiority.  If they did, they would think that whites would succeed each time no matter what advantages was given to the other candidates.
      Their complaining about reverse racism means that whites get social benefits and advantages by dint of their birth and despite the innate natal advantage, whites still need special programs to make them competitive with women and minorities who did not have those advantages.
      To whine about reverse racism means the speaker thinks whites are innately inferior; blessed with social advantages, whites still fail, even in cases such as Bakke where they are allowed to access special programs for minorities.
      These people do not like the idea they are promoting the meme that whites are naturally inferior  

  •  White Protestant male? (0+ / 0-)

    Isn't that kinda narrow? You really think that white Jewish males and white Catholic males don't enjoy the same benefits as the Protestant guys? I'd say that the advantage goes to all white males, irrespective of religion. Perhaps I'd say "tall and trim white males", since both short and fat people face real discrimination.

    Don't tell me what you believe. And don't tell me what you do. I barely know you.

    by doc2 on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 03:54:58 PM PDT

    •  Ever read James Loewen's book, Lies My (0+ / 0-)

      Teacher Told Me?
      It's an eye opener on many levels, even for those of us who have long recognized there was a load of pernicious crap in many a textbook.
      I might have agreed with your perspective before I gave it a perusal.  Now I am certain that Kunta Jay's point is indeed valid.
      If the"doc" in you SN means you're a doctor, perhaps you know why hospitals like Beth Israel were founded. If you're old, maybe you recall why many felt that JFK didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the White House and probably why he only took it by a nose.

      •  Thanks for the history lesson. (0+ / 0-)

        The doc is to throw people off. I choose to be anonymous. I may be a doctor, or an astronaut, or a beagle.

        Don't tell me what you believe. And don't tell me what you do. I barely know you.

        by doc2 on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 06:02:03 PM PDT

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  •  Equality is not synonymous with (0+ / 0-)

    high quality.  Indeed, the trajectory of Americans' welfare suggests that somebody simply decided, "if they want to be equal, let them be equally deprived."  So, everyone is a little worse off.

    We have less leisure time.
    We have less exercise.
    We have less nutritious food.
    We have less fresh air.
    We have less clean water.
    We have fewer fish in the streams and oceans.

    by hannah on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 04:01:54 PM PDT

  •  I didn't know what to expect with this title (5+ / 0-)

    and your name.  I was pleasantly suprised.


    darker complexioned guy with funny name.

    "I'm Black and I'm proud, I'm ready, I'm hype, plus I'm amped/ most of my heroes don't appear on no stamp!" ~Carlton Ridenhour

    by mallyroyal on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 04:09:22 PM PDT

  •  trace reverse racism meme to Bakke case (5+ / 0-)

    and whites' chronic misunderstanding of the nature and mechanisms of racism so we hear racists calling out minorities for being racists for calling racists out on their racism

  •  this is one of the most difficult subjects... (0+ / 0-) discuss, because no one was alive when this problem started. I'm white, and for the record I never owned a slave. or tried to be racist or take racial advantage. it's hard to know if you are being pulled over less than someone else, but where I live, roughly 90% of the arrests are for DUI. They pull over everybody sooner or later, just to check. When I was younger, I did feel that I was pulled over because of how I looked and what I could afford to's degrading to be hassled for nothing.

    so there's my experience. I have to take other peoples word for granted to some extent when it comes to their experiences with race. Some of it isn't pretty.

    BUt, how does each of know what is in someones mind? i feel sometimes a reserve when I meet a black person. we have to feel each other out. it sucks. it's always a relief when I can get past it. but some black people don't trust white irish guys from Boston like me. and let me know it.

    sometimes you feel hostility from someone. a stranger. WTF? shouldn't we be past this?

    no one should have to feel that way, and it happens to all kinds of people, maybe some kinds more than others or in worse ways, but in any case.... needs to stop....!!!

    thanks for tackling this!

    we have to talk this prejudice shite to death!

  •  It's complete nonsense. (0+ / 0-)

    The term itself is total bullshit. Reverse racism? Does that mean you bend over backwards not to be a racist-i.e., the reverse of racism?
    Remember reading a study recently where it was found that whites see racism as a zero sum game, where less prejudice against blacks somehow naturally leads to more racism against whites, but this view was not held by blacks.

    Just another day in Oceania.

    by drshatterhand on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 04:53:39 PM PDT

  •  It's not always the feeling of loss of privilege. (1+ / 0-)
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    But the few times in my life I've felt discriminated against by an African-American person (and the fact I can count the times is more than enough evidence white me was the one with the social privilege), it was always always ALWAYS an individual to individual thing.

    It was not someone acting on a corporate hidden or blatant guideline. It was not someone acting on a law. It was not someone drafting or passing a law.

    It was someone deciding she didn't feel comfortable playing at a white kid's house. It was someone with no white friends playing BET loudly at 7am and not noticing the reason her roommate couldn't stand it was because I'd only heard the n-word as a slur (and then very rarely) and therefore I was spending the first hour of my day having full-body flinches instead of because it was Black People Music.

    I always explained it myself as something having happened in someone's family history or personal history that I had no way of knowing about and that shading how they viewed things. I had no idea what could have happened to anyone in my childhood friend's family for daring to visit a white neighborhood, for instance. (My neighborhood was relatively diverse, but she had no way of knowing that when I invited her over.)

    I just figured it was a sign there was still something that needed more time to heal, and kept hoping that me treating all people like people might help that healing come sooner than later. And then distanced myself when possible and necessary, for my own protection.

    Racism born from institutional privilege and racism born from remembering someone else's privilege misused against oneself or one's family and friends are qualitatively different things. And the latter isn't going to go away until the former does.

    Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

    by Cassandra Waites on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 04:54:21 PM PDT

  •  The "you people" thing didn't work out too well... (0+ / 0-)

    ...for Ross Perot, you know.  

    Let us resolutely study and implement the resolutions of the 46th Convention of the Democratic Party!

    by Rich in PA on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 04:56:21 PM PDT

  •  Back in the 70's (0+ / 0-)

    when I was in grad school, I had a cartoon from the New Yorker tacked up by my carrel. It showed a classroom full of White children, a White teacher, a group of White people (inspectors, visitors?) at the door and a White Principle with the arm of a black child so high in the air that she was dangling over the desk.  The caption was :"Look we got of those!"

    Like all good cartoons, it always made me think:  
    *Sometimes people do weird, insensitive things for the "right" reasons.  
    *Sometimes people follow the rules with insensitivity. *Sometimes we have to grow into the situation.  
    *Sometimes people try to circumvent the rules.  
    *You can never legislate morality but you can change.
    *There is always the chance that we are the "lucky tokens" but society is not well served by having only tokens and not real change.

    Not many of myWhite friends found the cartoon as hilarious as I did.  Reverse racism is hard to describe ... you did a good job.

    For everyone born, a place at the table, to live without fear, and simply to be, to work, to speak out, to witness and worship, for everyone born, the right to be free. [Shirley Erena Murray (1996)]

    by CorinaR on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 05:10:42 PM PDT

  •  Good discussion of an often touchy topic, imo. (2+ / 0-)

    Broad terms like "you people" can often derail a discussion, as you obviously are aware, but didn't in this case.  ("Some" is a great conversational aid, though, as in "Some of you people..." )

    I appreciated the inclusion of specific information about continued discrimination against black people (employers response to 'black sounding names' etc.).  ALso the link to the study showing some whites feel more discriminated against than blacks.  Aaargh.  That makes me want to tear my hair.  It shows a serious lack of public education about racism, partly due to the media being unwilling to touch the topic in any constructive way.  It also reflects the success of republican propaganda that's been going on without pause since Nixon.  I am still amazed at how persistent and determined Republicans are in pushing that stuff (i.e. claiming affirmative action loans to black homeowners caused the housing market crash, for pity's sake.  I read that just the other day on a discussion board for moms -- generally a fairly well informed, but not activist, group.)

    I do wish you'd stayed around to respond to comments, though I know that isn't always possible.

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