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This is just my take on this. NPR is all over the place praising him for not being "professorial". Especially NPR's right wing shill M. Liasson. So he sounded a bit more like Harry Truman. But we all know what is coming: water in the wine.

I heard what I would have liked to heard a long time ago. I also heard what I expect, which is the President giving himself an out a year before an election.

I was inspired, because it was inspiring. Now, Mr. President, give us some red meat.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled NFL game. No one cares about the nation when there is a football game on. Nothing to see here.

If the President could walk the walk he talks, that would be great. I wish he were a little more honest: I think he'd like to un-do a lot of the things we worked hard and long to get, like Social Security and Medicare. He's open to dismantling the Great Society. I might have heard it wrong (I don't watch on TV, I listen on radio--I want to hear, not see).  But listening to what he said, he's open to it.

Now, I think he proposed some great things. He also made it clear, at least to me, that he's proposed these things because he wants to be able to compromise. That's not going to happen.

I like some of the things that the President proposed, don't get me wrong; but I think someone put Kool-Aid in his coffee. Just watch: we'll swing to the right. And we'll all vote for him. I know I will.

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  •  If He's Fighting Republicans I'm On Board. If He's (16+ / 0-)

    fighting "Congress" I've got a life to take care of.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:05:57 PM PDT

  •  I simply cannot understand (19+ / 0-)

    how someone can listen to the same speech I just listened to and walk away with the conviction that Obama wants to dismantle Social Security and Medicare.

    But then again I can't understand how people can listen to this president and think he's a socialist, either.

    •  I think he is open to it. He's said it before. (5+ / 0-)

      He is certainly not a socialist.

      Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

      by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:09:14 PM PDT

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    •  "dismantle", no (2+ / 0-)
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      commonmass, blueoasis

      "cut", yes:

      "The agreement we passed in July will cut government spending by about $1 trillion over the next ten years. It also charges this Congress to come up with an additional $1.5 trillion in savings by Christmas. Tonight, I’m asking you to increase that amount so that it covers the full cost of the American Jobs Act. And a week from Monday, I’ll be releasing a more ambitious deficit plan – a plan that will not only cover the cost of this jobs bill, but stabilize our debt in the long run.

      This approach is basically the one I’ve been advocating for months. In addition to the trillion dollars of spending cuts I’ve already signed into law, it’s a balanced plan that would reduce the deficit by making additional spending cuts; by making modest adjustments to health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid; and by reforming our tax code in a way that asks the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations to pay their fair share. What’s more, the spending cuts wouldn’t happen so abruptly that they’d be a drag on our economy, or prevent us from helping small business and middle-class families get back on their feet right away.

      Now, I realize there are some in my party who don’t think we should make any changes at all to Medicare and Medicaid, and I understand their concerns. But here’s the truth. Millions of Americans rely on Medicare in their retirement. And millions more will do so in the future. They pay for this benefit during their working years. They earn it. But with an aging population and rising health care costs, we are spending too fast to sustain the program. And if we don’t gradually reform the system while protecting current beneficiaries, it won’t be there when future retirees need it. We have to reform Medicare to strengthen it."

      http://thecritical-post.com/...

      •  He said "adjustments" to Medicare, not "cuts," in (5+ / 0-)

        the quote above.

        And remember before, in the debt ceiling negotiations, he was talking about cuts to the provider side, not to benefits.

        Somehow this stuff confuses people.  Or maybe some are hearing what the expect to hear, rather than what's actually said.

        Medicare does need to be reformed.  There's no disagreement about this among people who look at the numbers.

        And the ACA will be up and running soon, with subsidies for people who need them.  As I've written before, my monthly payments went down from $1050 to $109 with Romneycare here in MA, and the ACA is similar but better.

      •  where is social security mentioned at all (1+ / 0-)
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        as I read it The President is talking about changes in Medicaid and medicare.  I guess I may be dense but how is that cutting Social Security?

    •  Not trying to start any piefights here... (14+ / 0-)

      The specifics matter -- I absolutely oppose raising the eligibility age for either Medicare or Social Security, for example -- but I think we have to honestly admit that rigid dogma goes both ways.

      I understand why it does, and furthermore -- if our only choices are rigid dogma, I'll certainly take the liberal flavor.

      But I do think there are significant structural changes necessary to Medicare.  I likewise think they can be done without impacting - or at least, severely impacting - beneficiaries (particularly in the area of Medicare), but if we are ever to have a truly universal health system, it does need to start with some changes to how coverage and payments are handled.  

      I do understand why, for both political reasons (i.e., the nice cudgel it makes next year) and for philosophical reasons (any changes are an admission that something's wrong with the programs) people go a bit hyperbolic...

      I just think it's good policy.  Social Security really just needs a bit of patching, and it's not in any way in crisis -- but Medicare and Medicaid do need some significant looks.

      Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

      by zonk on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:19:59 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not going to fight with anyone (9+ / 0-)

        and thanks for your comment. I agree, but the changes to Medicare that really need to happen are going to find a great deal of opposition.

        The way I see it, the change to Medicare that needs to happen is to open the cap so everyone pays in on all earned and unearned income, same with Social Security. It would certainly solve the perceived solvency problem with those programs.

        Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

        by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:23:27 PM PDT

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        •  We need to tame medical inflation. (15+ / 0-)

          We need to negotiate for prescription drugs.

          We need to expand means-testing for high-income retired people.

          I really like the idea of applying FICA taxes to capital gains.  That's a good one.

          What we don't need to do is reduce benefits, or raise the retirement age.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:30:20 PM PDT

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          •  I agree with you.. (7+ / 0-)

            And, yes to making capital gains subject to FICA and even to Medicare...

            I would also require well off seniors to pay more for their Medicare.

            •  Limited means testing might not be bad, (3+ / 0-)
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              joedemocrat, elmo, G2geek

              and I know that USED to be a Republican idea, but I guess that was in the 80's, which means today, it's a Democratic brainstorm.

              Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

              by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:35:24 PM PDT

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            •  Well off seniors already pay more for Medicare. (2+ / 0-)
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              commonmass, elmo

              I agree that Medicare taxes should apply to unearned income also. But there are a lot of ways to cut Medicare expenditures and actually have better benefits, end insurance company subsidies for Medicare Advantage and Part D,  negotiate with drug companies, stop paying hospitals for bad debt, stop paying for  medical education for people who won't accept Medicare, reduce overpayments, beef up hospice care, to name just a few and those few would solve the problems ( which are real).

              You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

              by sewaneepat on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:44:15 PM PDT

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              •  I never said it should not be tweaked, (1+ / 0-)
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                but I was getting at that is shouldn't be tweaked the was the GOP wants to, and what I am hearing from the administration, the way they want to.

                I was sitting here with my mother, who can quote you chapter and verse on Medicare regs after a career in long term care and I have a background in Medicaid programs, though 15 years ago, to be honest.

                Both of us are of the opinion that the best way to tweak it is to extend Medicare benefits to all Americans but to fix a few things in the process; basically, single payer.

                Medicare, for all the hullabaloo, is a pretty streamlined program, and well done, too.

                Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

                by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:48:29 PM PDT

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                •  Yes, but why bother saying this, when it's (3+ / 0-)
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                  politically impossible?  For now and the forseeable future, there won't be single payer.  Unless you live in Vermont, maybe.

                •  I was responding primarily to joedemocrat (2+ / 0-)
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                  who said well off seniors should pay more. And as I'm sure you know, they do pay higher Part B premiums - actually a good bit higher.

                  I love my Medicare and want to make sure everyone has it. I think a single payer system is best also, but sometimes I wonder of everyone who promotes "Medicare for all" realizes that there are premiums, and that those premiums are highly subsidized by the government. In order to get to that goal, people need to understand the system, both the benefits and the problems and cost.

                  I know that I have learned a lot in the last year, starting about three months before my eligibility in Jan. of this year when I had to figure it out and in the last few months as I started actually looking at the
                  Trustees' report, the budget, and the funding. I thought it was fully funded by the FICA tax, just like SS, but found out that it is not.

                  You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

                  by sewaneepat on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:13:42 PM PDT

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          •  I am right with you there. (3+ / 0-)

            I am in total agreement, for what that is worth, which is not much.

            Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

            by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:33:38 PM PDT

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          •  You cannot do that without fighting the drug (3+ / 0-)
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            commonmass, irmaly, blueoasis

            and insurance companies.  It should be crystal clear that is something this president will never do - he would rather protect those businesses at the expense of future medicare recipients.

            When you means test medicare - it will become welfare and will be destined to die.

            "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth". Albert Einstein

            by Sydserious on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:33:15 PM PDT

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            •  I would simply like someone to say (2+ / 0-)
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              to all of these companies: "Take it overseas for cheap labor, but your tariff will be crippling. We won't have American companies selling good to Americans when these companies can't be bothered to employ the people they expect to buy their products".

              Just once, I would like to hear that. From someone.

              Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

              by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:37:04 PM PDT

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            •  There is a LOT of room before it's welfare. (0+ / 0-)

              Right now, means testing only applies to people with incomes above something like $150,000 per year.  RETIRED people with incomes - current retirement incomes - over $150k.  Not people who were earning $150,000 and then retired, but people who were earning a lot more than that, and then retired, and are still making that much money from interest and pensions.

              There is a LOT of room to phase in means testing progressively before it's a welfare program.

              It's certainly true that "programs for the poor are poor programs," but if we started phasing in means testing at $100,000 of retirement income, we're not talking about a program for poor people.  It's still a program for everybody.

              Art is the handmaid of human good.

              by joe from Lowell on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 07:12:27 PM PDT

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        •  Medicare's solvency issues though (2+ / 0-)
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          just aren't resolvable solely through revenue -- its outlay growth rate exceeds by a pretty good clip both natural inflation and the increased pool of an aging population.

          In some cases, its paying for things for which "it" gets little benefit -- it funds somewhere in the 90% range of all medical residency program costs nationally, for example, but without any quid pro quo (beyond the hospital being a participating provider... but then, finding a hospital that accepts Medicare isn't difficult)... In fact, residents aren't even required to practice in the US (something unsavory hospitals take advantage -- residents are much, much cheaper than fully MDs -- so plenty of hospitals 'farm' foreign grads for cheaper labor).

          In other cases, the feedback loop on medically beneficial doesn't work its way into covered services -- there was an excellent op-ed a few months back from a cardiologist, professor, and the editor of the Archives of Internal medicine that named about half a dozen that cost Medicare billions, but have no medically proven benefit to patients.

          In other cases, it's PPS system has been gamed as a financial planning tool by unscrupulous hospitals -- don't forget, Florida Gov Rik Scott wasn't a health insurance executive, he was a health provider network exec... and the fines his large network paid weren't out-and-out fraud, they were gray areas that some facilities continue to game into big revenue streams.

          In the case of both Medicare and Medicaid -- the system-wide good the programs do for providers (keeping poor, urban facilities and geographically necessary rural facilities in business) have been horrendously gamed by both for-profits and not-for-profit-in-name-only providers.   In fact, there are several scholarly studies that show that the unscrupulous practices by the true for-profits inevitably end up worming their way into even the honest facilities because revenue is revenue, and they have to "keep up".

          Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

          by zonk on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:40:26 PM PDT

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      •  I remember during Bush's SS privatization plan... (7+ / 0-)

        day after day after day, Kos and others on the front page were saying that Medicare had a long-term fiscal problem, and that people who were serious about the deficit should look there.

        Kos - the guy who founded this site - was writing that, day after day after day.

        But now, anybody who makes the same point gets blasted as a Zombie Robert Taft, trying to undo the New Deal.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:27:25 PM PDT

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  •  Don't agree with you here. (7+ / 0-)

    He's pitched something that is--assuming Congress behaves rationally (which of course they won't) potentially passable and while it does leave open some tampering with ideals, it also has potential to move the job situation in the right direction which is, to be honest, more important.  Without it, the country continued to collapse.

    This was also a campaign speech--in teh end well positioned, right after the GOP debate--he comes across as an adult, a leader, an idea guy--while the GOP fray gets completely lost.  This is an excellent positioning move--a completely different Obama than I'm used to seeing (in terms of articulating policy--and leading it)

    We'll see what happens, of course, and see how strong Obama actually is...

    But there's no sell out here.  Obama IS a moderate...but if he's a moderate by his own convictions, rather than a weak centrist because he gets pulled that way--so much the better.

    If the bill gets passed in a way that looks remotely like what he's proposed here, and unemployment drops just a bit--he'll win the election.  And then we'll have a better chance of saving medicare/medicaid.

  •  Why, oh why... (4+ / 0-)

    cannot anyone use the term "working class" anymore?

    There used to be something noble about work.

    They win if all this White House is going to do is be rhetorical about the "Middle Class."  

    The war on workers and unions goes on...while we all blah blah on the fictitious "Middle Class."

  •  Always willing to give him the benefit... (3+ / 0-)
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    synth, commonmass, pittie70

    of the doubt, though so many times have been disappointed in the rhetoric compared to implementation.

    A writer cannot prevent and is not responsible for the deliberate desire of some to distort his words. -- Eric Sevareid

    by citizen53 on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:18:46 PM PDT

  •  Republican Bullies Looked Glued to Their Seats.... (4+ / 0-)

    Boehner, in particular, looked sour.  It's going to be a long l4 months for them, especially when the country starts calling their offices tomorrow & asking why they're against putting people back to work.  If they're not FOR the American Jobs Act.....they're against jobs.

    Nicely done, Mr. President.  I like Obama on fire.  I like the contrast between Obama & the leathered Texan & weird old Mitt Romney.  

    Obama goes to Cantor's district tomorrow & Boehner's on Tuesday.  I like that contrast too.  

    •  I'm glad you saw the spirit of my diary (2+ / 0-)
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      which was to be skeptical, not pessimistic. However, I'm like Harry Truman from Missouri: at this point, "show me".

      Let's see what happens. I hope something does. I have hope that in a second term he can move a little to the left, just a token amount, just a little.

      Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

      by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:26:58 PM PDT

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  •  Hi commonmass. President Obama (5+ / 0-)

    is always inspiring. That's why 2008 was much better than 2004 (for me anyway).

    The question is how much of this can he pass with the Republicans in control of the House?  

  •  I listened to radio, too, (9+ / 0-)

    for the same reasons, so as not to be distracted by pictures. That, and I don't have TV.

    What I heard was an Obama as good as anything from a president in many years, maybe ever. It was (IMHO of course) brilliant. He took every single one of the rightwing talking points, put them out for examination so people could see them, and demolished each in turn.

    Tomorrow, I will call the offices of my wingers congresscritters -- and the one in the House has only the most tenuous grasp on reality -- and tell them how I'm hurtin' y'all* and what that there president said just made soooo much sense, why Ah surely do hope XX will vote for his plan toot sweet.

    *Jus' practicin' my suth'run accent to get in character.

    Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. -- Hunter S. Thompson

    by Mnemosyne on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:24:21 PM PDT

  •  Its Fall (1+ / 0-)
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    commonmass

    Check the record.  A bit early this year actually.

    Our judgments judge us, and nothing reveals us, exposes our weaknesses, more ingeniously than the attitude of pronouncing upon our fellows, ---- Paul Valery

    by huckleberry on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:28:45 PM PDT

  •  He didn't mention SS, why do people... (7+ / 0-)

    keep saying that he did.  To think that he wants to dismantle the Great Society is completely wrong.

    "The United States will not be able to dictate the pace and scope of this change. Only the people of the region can do that. But we can make a difference." 3/28/11

    by BarackStarObama on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:29:07 PM PDT

    •  I guess I really meant that he is open to it. (3+ / 0-)

      There is one way to fix SS and Medicare: remove the cap on FICA. It's really that simple. This is a move that he is certainly not open to, not from what I can hear.

      Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

      by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:32:27 PM PDT

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      •  He has consistently supported and advocated (3+ / 0-)
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        commonmass, hooper, BarackStarObama

        for raising the cap. Just google it.

        You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

        by sewaneepat on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:48:14 PM PDT

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        •  Yep, that's true. Now, what I would like to see (1+ / 0-)
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          sewaneepat

          is his refusal to sign a bill that won't raise the cap. Threaten to veto it. Give us some muscle.

          I am a fan of this President, though I am occasionally critical--I wouldn't criticize if I didn't support him, I don't like to waste my breath--but I would like to see more than support. I would like to see insistence. I would like to see FDR style "I welcome their hatred". Because the real problem this President has is hatred. His famous "race" speech notwithstanding, I would really love to see him say "blow me".

          Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

          by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:52:19 PM PDT

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          •  Me, too, but I also recognize that this is not his (1+ / 0-)
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            commonmass

            style. How much is avoiding the angry black man thing and how much is just his personality and values, I don't know. But I'm old enough to know that people do their best when they are true to themselves, even when I wish they (or I) were different.That's basically why I respect Obama and cut him some slack; I think he tries to do the best he he can do and stay himself.

            You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

            by sewaneepat on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:20:28 PM PDT

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    •  Right. He said Medicare and Medicaid, not SS. (3+ / 0-)
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      Which is good, because it's really medical inflation-driven costs in government health care problems that are the problem in the out years.

      Any Social Security shortfall is peanuts compared to those two.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:39:06 PM PDT

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      •  I disagree. Medical inflation in terms of health (1+ / 0-)
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        irmaly

        care costs are market-driven, not government-driven. I'm sorry, but I think you are mistaken. Medicare/Medicaid do not drive up the costs of health care. Market driven health care does. Because they are out for a profit.

        Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

        by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:42:54 PM PDT

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        •  But that doesn't mean there isn't a gov't solution (1+ / 0-)
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          commonmass

          Most market-driven problems require a government solution.  If the market could solve it by itself, it wouldn't be a problem.

          I wasn't saying that Medicare and Medicaid drive up the cost of health care, but the reverse.  Health care inflation drives up the cost of Medicare and Medicaid - and SCHIP and VA and every other government health care program.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 07:06:34 PM PDT

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  •  Fun speech, BAD basis (2+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, Helena Handbag

    he has been corrupted by his wall street advisors.

    This will fail, America will have a decade of suffering, all because Obama refused and refuses  to be bold.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:43:05 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, pretty much. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      agnostic, Helena Handbag

      Capitalism may be our enemy, but it is also our teacher. --V.I. Lenin equalitymaine.org

      by commonmass on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:44:34 PM PDT

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      •  Not that I seek being tossed from here, but (2+ / 0-)
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        commonmass, irmaly

        he really is good at the speachification bit, but he has always caved when the shadow of a hint, of a scent, of a whiff, of a rumor, of a possibility, of the chance that one, just one republican might object.

        The next week will really be telling. If the WH pressed corpse decides to walk back even this feeble plan, we know that we have a one term president, and things will get worse, far worse.

        If he shows some spine, well his idiot advisors might have to rethink their reelection approach. I suspect that it would energize the public something fierce.

        What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

        by agnostic on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:58:35 PM PDT

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        •  Oops (1+ / 0-)
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          commonmass

          the white house Press secretary.
          Who might be confused with a corpse, all too often.

          What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

          by agnostic on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:59:48 PM PDT

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  •  I hope he can sustain this energy! (1+ / 0-)
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    commonmass
  •  Yep - he's one of the best orators in US history. (1+ / 0-)
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    commonmass

    Even close to Henry V.

    Too bad other than that, nobody's home.

    I didn't care for math, but when I first understood the concept of finding the slope of a curve at a point, I wanted to grab the first girl I saw and kiss her with wild abandon, just like in that WW II photo.

    by dov12348 on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:52:51 PM PDT

  •   Meh is a tag? (1+ / 0-)
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    commonmass

    I hate when republicans throw the BS, like how he US has the second highest corporate tax rate. ITs even more fun when a democratic president says it.

    US corporate tax rates % of GDP

    Dont kow why Obama thinks its a right thing to do, comparing the US economy to Luxembourgs economy, at 55 billion a year.

    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:55:01 PM PDT

  •  the same Republican demeanors (1+ / 0-)
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    commonmass

    captured on teevee reminds me again how crass, cruel and corrupt this nation has become

    If there are poor people in Texas maybe we can do something voluntarily to help them. Ron Paul

    by anyname on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 08:20:46 PM PDT

  •  Put yourself where your mouth is (3+ / 0-)
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    SmartRat, sebastianguy99, commonmass

    every day it's the same thing here:  Obama is a wuzz, feckless, not a real Democrat.  This, from someone in his pajamas, sipping a diet coke while typing!  Look, if you want Obama to be a true liberal, get off this site and get into the streets.  Nothing like a million people in the steets of NYC or DC to put some steel in his spine.  If you aren't ready to go to the streets -- or at least donate money -- don't complain about Obama!

    nyuk, nyuk, nyuk -- Curley

    by hjkelly3 on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 08:52:27 PM PDT

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