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Owing to the disproportionate nature of bannings and discipline for Black Kos members, I am logging off DKos for a week.  Though it is hard to get solid numbers, this is what I see.

Black Kos members of Daily Kos: 3%
Black Kos users banned or disciplined in the purge: about 30%

Does that strike you as odd?

I was asked for the stats on this.  I admit my initial numbers were an 'aproximation' based on what I had been reading (note the use of the phrase "about 30%")

So here is what I've got.

From Kos's second purge diary

As of Tuesday night, I have now banned 30 people, and pulled ratings from 36. About a dozen of those bannings were bona fide trolls or zombies.

30+36-12(trolls)=54 users banned or disciplined

Black Kos Members Ratings pulled
princes
Conlakappa
Radio Girl
Soothsayer
Robinswing
sberel

BANNED
trashablanca
Adept
AAMom
TimT
Soccergrandmom

So 11/54=20% of punishments went to black Kos users.

I swear I am missing a couple of black Kos users who had their ratings pulled.  If that is true, my seat of the pants guess of 30% was pretty damn close.

4:57 PM PT: I can only say that I am crushed by the fact that about 1/3 of the folks on who voted seem to think that it isn't odd that black folks were obviously disproportionately disciplined.  The results of this poll tell me far more about this place than I think I wanted to know.


5:50 PM PT: And I'm out.  Here's to hoping things are different in a week.  I will not be lurking.  Lurking counts as page hits.

Originally posted to Empty Vessel on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 03:39 PM PDT.

Also republished by The Yes We Can Pragmatists and Moose On The Loose.

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Does it strike you as odd that 3% of users are recieving 30% of the punishment? Does it seem odd that those 3% are black?

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  •  support the boycott (21+ / 0-)

    You can support the boycott by

    1) participating (log of at by 12AM local time for a week)
    2) Write a short diary explaining why and post it between now and midnight local time
    3) recommend boycott diaries as they pop up in your recent list  

    watch for the tag - boycott

    White Ally. Holding BK family, here and elsewhere, in my heart. My ratings were suspended 09/07/11 between 1-5 PM Central time.

    by sberel on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 03:43:46 PM PDT

    •  What happened?? (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      PrahaPartizan

      I'll admit I don't monitor kos's activity on his site so much, but I can tell he doesn't pay enough attention to individual comments on the site to know who is black and who is not.

      It's really hard to tell your race behind a username.

      The reason why a disproportionate number of African Americans are affected is because they seem to be much more vociferous supporters of Barack. Many of us progressives are ticked off at him...this has led to fights/name calling/trolling against each other.

      so they'll be affected.

      I'm sure a disproportionate number of jews and palestinians were affected as well (due to the i/p diaries). Should we start calling Kos an anti-semite too?

      y'all realize that Kos is part minority himself, right? He isn't going after African Americans.

      The fact that this is issue is really sad. I almost think it is manipulative. Seriously.

      •  I want you to think about this paragraph (14+ / 0-)

        for a long time.

        The reason why a disproportionate number of African Americans are affected is because they seem to be much more vociferous supporters of Barack. Many of us progressives are ticked off at him...this has led to fights/name calling/trolling against each other.

        Why would their vociferous support warrant more punishment that other's vociferous attacks?  

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:52:13 PM PDT

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        •  I look at it statistically (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Catesby, Revy

          making some educated assumptions.

          70-80% of this kossacks are now very critical of Barack (lets pretend 90% in this group are white, generally matching the overall population of users of the site). Let's call this the blue group.

          30-20% is very defensive of Barack (let's pretend 50% of this group are white, 50% are black -- and if you look at pools of folks self-identifying as Dems, there is a higher amount of support in the AA community). Let's call this the purple group.

          so when Kos whacks 10 people on each side (20 total), you'll get 15 white people, and 6 black. How?

          1 african american, and 9 whites from the blue group will get whacked.

          5 AA, and 5 whites from the purple group will get whacked.

           Meaning that AAs are getting their privileges/usernames pulled at a higher percentage.

          I just don't think there is any racism here. To me it's clear as day.

          •  Exactly n/t (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            happenstance
          •  This (6+ / 0-)
            70-80% of this kossacks are now very critical of Barack

            I doubt that 70-80% of the 300,000+ registered here are very critical of President Obama.  More likely that 70-80% of those that comment regularly are very critical of the President.  

          •  Let's just use your numbers... (0+ / 0-)
            so when Kos whacks 10 people on each side (20 total), you'll get 15 white people, and 6 black.
            btw, I wouldn't plan any trips to the Blackjack table ;)
            First you would have to determine if "whacking" ten from each side is even the correct decision. Second, common sense would tell you with those numbers, it's likely that the lower population group would have the same people engaging over and over thereby leaving them more exposed under the "all sides are equally guilty" method of punishment. Now one side is crippled and the other side can go on their merry way.

            In any case, IT'S NOT ABOUT SUPPORT FOR OBAMA.

            As far as

            I just don't think there is any racism here. To me it's clear as day.
            I'll assume you meant in this latest action and not at DKos in general. Personally, I agree. I don't think Markos is sitting in an orange dungeon plotting ways to get rid of all Black people on his blog. Our clicks make him as much money as any others. From his words and actions, he doesn't see or doesn't give a damn about the larger issue of race (as it relates to Black people) and believes this is just two sides squabbling over support of Obama. He seems to have bought into a popular meme on this site that Black people unconditionally support Obama and will not tolerate ANY criticism of him and that we shout RACISM at the top of our lungs to shut down the poor downtrodden DKos majority who oppose Administration policy. Believing this way, it would be natural to take a whack at what he perceives as the two sides and then dust his hands off as if now that's done, let's move on.

            Meanwhile, the larger racial issues are still festering.

            "Someone just turned the lights on in the bar and the sexiest state doesn't look so pretty anymore" CA Treasurer Bill Lockyer on Texas budget mess

            by CaliSista on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 07:33:25 PM PDT

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            •  OK I agreee with most of your points (1+ / 0-)
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              CaliSista

              and thankyou for making the correct assumption about this: I just don't think there is any racism here. To me it's clear as day.

              I was indeed referring only to this incident. I agree there is much racism everyone, even on DKOS. I've seen it (not that I think I could blame the site owner for it)

              But I think he clearly did say he wasn't watching where his hatchet was landing, he was trying to respond to you and to those on the other side who were saying there is too much trollish behavior.

              Did he have trials and a system in place? no. He was getting rid (or pausing) some of the worst offenders. Could/should he have done a more thorough job of figuring out the exact percentage of each side and done it proportinaitely? Maybe.

              He seems to have bought into a popular meme on this site that Black people unconditionally support Obama and will not tolerate ANY criticism of him and that we shout RACISM at the top of our lungs to shut down the poor

              Will you not agree that Barack support is a great deal stronger in the AA community then typical Dem voters?

              btw he said these weren't permenant bannings

              •  In my opinion, while (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                happenstance

                there is a great deal of unhappiness about the bannings, I think the boycott is arising more from those whose ratings were pulled. In that sense, it doesn't matter that they can ask to have them reinstated. They shouldn't have been pulled in the first place.

                Will you not agree that Barack support is a great deal stronger in the AA community then typical Dem voters?
                Sure, I'll agree...And?

                1) In recent times, the Democratic candidate or President ALWAYS has a higher level of support in the Black community then in the Democratic Party at large. I believe Obama got a higher percent but it's not as if Dubya, Dole, or Poppy were raking in the Black vote.

                2) As I stated above, IT'S NOT ABOUT SUPPORT FOR OBAMA.

                "Someone just turned the lights on in the bar and the sexiest state doesn't look so pretty anymore" CA Treasurer Bill Lockyer on Texas budget mess

                by CaliSista on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 09:21:44 PM PDT

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        •  because their "support" (0+ / 0-)

          often comes in the form of attacks. Ugly ones. Attacks that shut down dialogue about issues, and insist on a worshipful party line approach to a pol.

          •  Do you want me to challenge that (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            second gen

            assertion with polar opposite examples from "the other side"?  I won't, because it's merely feeding a useless pie-fighting machine to do so.  Yet,  I see little else that your comment invites as followup.

            Please don't attempt to paint with such a black/white brush in this case - I honestly feel it's not only unhelpful, but a negative tactic at this site.

            "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

            by wader on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 07:12:36 PM PDT

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  •  this is a huge embarrsment for Kos (23+ / 0-)

    or it should be.

    There is no excuse for this at all.

    May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back.

    by GlowNZ on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 03:49:18 PM PDT

    •  This is so wrong.... (19+ / 0-)

      I don't think it's deliberate: but it's still so wrong.

      I hope Kos has the humility to explain he didn't realise the identity of all those he's banned or punished, and immediately retract a whole raft of them

      Whether that will repaid the damage done to the confidence of AAs, I don't know

      "It is only for the sake of those without hope that hope is given to us." Walter Benjamin. More sane debate on the Moose

      by Brit on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 03:51:49 PM PDT

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    •  But There Are Explanations. (1+ / 0-)
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      markthshark

      Markos is a free-speecher, a speech libertarian. But free speech doesn't work, as proven by our original comment ratings moderation system, which did restrain free speech at various extremes. It raised this forum to be a prime spot over so many other forums that were either total free speech or oppressively moderated.

      Speech like any other activity or force has to be checked and balanced against extremes, or it degenerates to a weapon allowing those most adept at aggressive speech to dominate others.

      And that's what come to happen here as Markos tried to let the forum operate as close as possible to his ideal. Bullying, inflaming and provocateuring erupted as they would erupt anywhere when the consequences of belligerence are stripped away.

      I don't have in mind some kind of speech regulation framework that would be ideal for this forum, what might be done technologically, and what might be done by ownership intervention. Personally I think it's impossible for reasons that have nothing to do with this discussion.

      But it's especially difficult to expect a speech libertarian to devise a structure that could make it work because the whole concept is against his belief system.

      The United States as a whole is undergoing the same struggle with regard to Press Freedom. I don't see any ideas that show much promise to fix that forum either.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 05:09:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The media is the easier one to fix... (0+ / 0-)

        Not saying it's politically feasible to do so but a good start would be to end corporate monopolization.

        The United States as a whole is undergoing the same struggle with regard to Press Freedom. I don't see any ideas that show much promise to fix that forum either.

        This forum is another matter all together. I can't offer a solution.

  •  Depends what "odd" means. (5+ / 0-)

    If it means "something out of the ordinary", then no - it's about what I would expect from the folks here.


    Kevin dropped his ice cream and blames Obama? He's gone hamsher!

    by punditician on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 03:53:32 PM PDT

  •  Could you post the analysis of the stats? (3+ / 0-)

    I would love to see the actual numbers.  I was not aware that 30% of those banned or having their rating revoked were Black.

    Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

    by temptxan on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 03:53:48 PM PDT

  •  Hey a little help for the uninformed... (2+ / 0-)
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    terjeanderson, Empty Vessel

    I mostly come here to read diaries I don't follow the Dkos politics closley. What occured that a bunch of people have been getting banned for? More 9/11 conspiracy tin foil hat stuff? Why the disproportional banning of black members?

    Thanks.

    So long and thanks for all the fish.

    by Stillwatch on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:03:41 PM PDT

  •  Soothsayer is white, no? Or should the stats say (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Vita Brevis

    bkos members, as not all bkos members are black?  Not trying to nitpick just want the actual data before I decide.

    Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

    by temptxan on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:11:24 PM PDT

    •  If it's BKos frequent posters, the stats (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      temptxan, Lisa

      may be correct (I really don't know), but sberel, soccergrandmom and trashy are white also AFAIK.

      That would make black users 10% of those banned and 11% of ratings pulled users (ignoring the questionable pulling of 12 "trolls" from the totals, who are unidentified)

      If my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine

      by badger on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:23:27 PM PDT

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  •  Where is the full list of people banned and (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    esquimaux, Lisa, supercereal

    ratings pulled? Until we have that full list making factual claims about the percentage of people banned is making shit up. Nevermind the fact that the 30/36 number is old considering there has been many people banned and had ratings removed since then.

    Trashablanca was banned AFTER that number was given so your stats are already skewed.

    I long ago wearied of people who spend all their time digging up old hatreds and polishing them up for fresh use. The past's like a maggot on the heart of the present, it fouls it.

    by pot on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:13:41 PM PDT

    •  And TiMT was also banned after the 30/36 (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BarackStarObama

      number was given by kos, further skewing the stats.

      I long ago wearied of people who spend all their time digging up old hatreds and polishing them up for fresh use. The past's like a maggot on the heart of the present, it fouls it.

      by pot on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:14:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Straw Grasping 101 (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      kat68, PSzymeczek, Im a frayed knot, Brit

      These are the best numbers that I can get, Kos has 'em, I don't.

      But here's the thing, there ain't nothing your objections are gonna do to get this number below 10-15%, which would still be 3-5 times more than would be expected based on the number of black users on this site.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:19:27 PM PDT

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      •  Erm, you do know that statistics (7+ / 0-)

        doesn't actually limit how the universe exists, right?

        Just because I flip a coin twice doesn't mean that I will get one head and one tail.  (And, in fact, when you flip a coin 10000 times, you'll find the chance of getting anywhere near a 50/50 split is pretty slim as my old prob/stats teacher demonstrated to us.)  And when you deal with a really small number, it's very easy to skew away from 'expected results'.  50 out of 325k or so?  Doesn't surprise me in the least that the numbers didn't break out exactly along 'expected values'.

        If every user was an interchangeable peg in a slot, and Kos merely closed his eyes and randomly tapped people, then yes, you would expect roughly the same number of any given subset of users to be banned in rough accordance to that subset's size in relationship to the overall population, but would still often see large skews when small subsets were involved.

        But every user here has their own distinct personality, posting style, and level of acrimony in which they're willing to engage.   That's going to account for far more of how Kos went about banning people than whether or not he had a picture of them or knew to which groups they belonged.

  •  Just great. Whether by accident or by design, (8+ / 0-)

    this amounts to a kind of de facto segregation. Sorry about that loaded word, but the infighting on this blog has devolved into this lousy situation. We need workshops on racism at Netroots Nation to begin to create a sense that we are all allies and not enemies.

    O, it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous to use it like a giant." --Shakespeare, Measure for Measure

    by Wildthumb on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:17:11 PM PDT

  •  How progressive of a third of this site not to (10+ / 0-)

    find these stats oddly lopsided. Sad, but no longer suprising, I suppose.

  •  It would be funny (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Empty Vessel, Matt Z

    If people quit posting for a week because of a week of boycott diaries.  Maybe you have it backwards.  What you need to do is clog the rec-list for a week so everybody else quits posting!!!

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:40:48 PM PDT

  •  Trashblanca was banned? (9+ / 0-)

    I just can't believe some of the shit that has happened in the last week.

    I can just about forgive the Brits for starting our revolutionary war and burning DC to the ground during the war of 1812 for giving us Led Zeppelin.

    by Pager on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:41:47 PM PDT

  •  Voted yes but I'm not leaving (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Onomastic

    Gasoline made from the tar sands gives a Toyota Prius the same impact on climate as a Hummer using gasoline made from oil. ~ Al Gore

    by Lefty Coaster on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 04:50:38 PM PDT

  •  Correction (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Empty Vessel

    Not "1/3 of the people on DKosw". 1/3 of the people who bothered to read this diary.

  •  Here's the question. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BachFan

    Have all of you who are going to boycott taken the time to document the behavior that is racist/sexist/homophobic/trolls/etc, with links to said problem persons, and sent them to Markos?

    I ask because there was a diary just before the Great Purge started where Markos basically asked people to name names, and only a couple of blatant trolls that were clogging the hiddens at the time were mentioned.  I was occupied with other responsibilities at the time or I would have done so myself, but I was surprised that everyone was so silent.

    So I would suggest that the better way to get your point across is to document the abusers and show it to Markos.  Because unless you are totally new or you've been hiding under a bed for the last seven years you should know that Markos isn't going to go in and read every thread of every diary looking for bad actors.  He's going to take a random sample, some of which has no doubt been helpfully provided by those who often instigate the worst crap, and he's going to whack away.

    That's just my advice, take it as I offer it, in the spirit of help and affection.  I'll copy this comment elsewhere in the series of diaries about this boycott so that hopefully it will get some traction.  Because I really believe it's your best bet on removing some truly offensive people while still stating your case.

    "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places." Ernest Hemingway

    by Got a Grip on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 05:05:04 PM PDT

    •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Got a Grip

      I did one better than that. I didn't send it to Markos, I posted it to his last comment where he asked for a "lend a hand". I refuse to pass such stuff secretly.

      •  That's the right thing to have done, fcvaguy. (0+ / 0-)

        But we've come to a different impasse now.  So perhaps am email on this subject with links by those who have/had knowledge of bad actors and didn't raise them at the time would be a good thing.  Now that the hammer is swinging, links to the worst behavior would be the way to go, I think.

        It's just a suggestion.  I'm trying to offer something practical.  I don't know what the boycott will or won't produce.  But I think that if you want to get Markos to see something you're going to have to show it to him.

        I want this to be a vibrant place that makes a difference, I want more voices of color, more LBGT voices, more voices of the downtrodden, not less.  And I want it to be a place where real conversations can take place.

        Thanks, fcvaguy.  I appreciate your having spoken up when you were asked to do so.

        "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places." Ernest Hemingway

        by Got a Grip on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 06:53:30 PM PDT

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    •  I looked at that diary (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Got a Grip

      Which can be found here.

      Here is a list of people on mets102's list of boycott joiners as of approximately 8pm CDT.  Beside their names are any comments they may have made in the diary where kos asked for names.

      -Empty Vessel
      -blue jersey mom complaint about Tor Hershman, complaint about willibro
      -Paul in Berkeley
      -Aji
      -canadian gal
      -Brit
      -MrJayTee
      -sberel
      -kysen
      -chicago minx
      -Chacounne
      -mamabigdog
      -GlowNZ
      -earicicle
      -scribe
      -pvlb
      -kat68
      -Sarea
      -Im a frayed knot
      -jan4insight
      -AnnetteK complaint about libslacklogic
      Julie Gulden reply to brooklynbadboy objecting to his claim that he would not like but would live with people call him a moron, scumbag, or nigger and a reply to his reply, request for a button that removes other buttons
      -Drewid
      -kerflooey
      -Onomastic
      -mahakali overdrive
      -SwedishJewfish
      -raina a couple of comments about HR abuse
      -left rev
      -askew
      -zenbassoon
      -Christin
      -asterkitty
      -TooFolkGR
      -mapamp agreement with weatherdude on the nature of assholes, support of Nowhere Man's proposal for a "report this user" button, wants users to justify HRs
      -noise of rain
      -slksfca
      -blackinthebuilding
      -Pager makes what I presume is a joke about Armando-Adam B interaction
      -Lisa Lockwood

      •  Yes, almost all of the complaints (0+ / 0-)

        that day, as I recall, were about libslacklogic, who had wallpapered the hiddens with so many comments that he had three whole pages devoted just to him in one day.  But that was obviously not what Markos was asking for.  I wonder if folks were just not comfortable calling others out, or if they thought Markos would go digging through all the diaries in the major skirmishes to see who the bad actors were.  I wish people had spoken their minds then.  But hindsight is always clearer.

        "The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places." Ernest Hemingway

        by Got a Grip on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 06:58:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  "Black Kos members of Daily Kos: 3%" (0+ / 0-)

    As far as I am aware, there was no survey done on the number of Black Kos members (being a DK group) here on this site.

    Some people are saying the 3% number represents the number of Black members on this site.

    Some people are saying it represents the number of users on this site.

    When actually it represents a survey done on the percentage of Black visitors to this site.

    What we need to know is the number of Black participants on this site, which we do not know.  It may be an even lower number.  It sure will be after this.

    I think we need to be clear on this, no matter how upset people are, for the sake of accuracy.

  •  Are you seriously suggesting Markos targeted (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Kentucky DeanDemocrat, schumann

    black Kossacks on purpose? Because that's what this diary seems to imply. And there is no evidence for that other than the apparently "disproportionate" number of BKos members banned/disciplined.

    I guess it hasn't occurred to you that, just maybe, these Kossacks deserved to be punished - that they broke this community's rules regarding appropriate use of HRs and proper site conduct. And that Markos is the owner of the site, and therefore the final arbiter on what is bad behavior by members.

    IMO this purge was a long time coming, and well deserved. Already I note the level of meta pie fights way down due to the absence of inflammatory Kossacks (BKos members among them) and the widespread realization that flinging verbal shit around won't be tolerated any longer. It is a vast and welcome improvement.

    But fine, take your ball and go home. It just makes you look silly, implying Markos purposefully targeted BKos members, and refusing to acknowledge that the Kossacks caught up in this purge were not innocent.

  •  I don't really know who is black and who (3+ / 0-)

    is white on DK--unless they display of photo of themselves or some other obvious thing. This is all new to me. I'm reading all the diaries about this, though.

  •  thanks (0+ / 0-)

    liberal pragmatist. artist. obama supporter.

    by hardart on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 05:26:02 PM PDT

  •  3%????????????????????? (0+ / 0-)

    Where are you getting this figure from? I don't recall anything anytime anywhere asking what a person's ethnic background is on this site. I believe their are a lot more then 3% black people on this site. Simple logic will tell you that. When you take the population as a whole in the United States, the number of black people who are Democrats, the number of black people who are progressive, your 3% figure just does not sound feasible at all. Prove it.

    "Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much." Oscar Wilde

    by michelewln on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 05:31:10 PM PDT

    •  been done in the past (0+ / 0-)

      and 3% was the number.  And yeah, its startlingly low considering.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 05:34:19 PM PDT

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      •  Not Proof (1+ / 0-)
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        Kentucky DeanDemocrat

        I have been a member of this site for years and I have never been asked my ethnicity. When was this done? How was this done? Did everybody answer? Your saying this doesn't make it so. This is too important to just say of sometime in the past someone pulled 3% out as an answer. If you are going to charge racism based on only 3% of the people here are black you need to have verifiable proof.

        "Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much." Oscar Wilde

        by michelewln on Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 05:48:08 PM PDT

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  •  I'm a bit surprised (0+ / 0-)

    No one seems to have worked in a reference to this kos post.

  •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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    blueness, Empty Vessel

    You missed me. I'm a proud member of BlackKOS and my ratings were pulled.

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