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There. I've said it. The pollsters are all siding with President Obama. By failing to ask how voters would vote if given an option other than Obama, they make his election seem inevitable. The truth is that independents and some demographic groups that are not loyal to democrats or Republicans, like people under 30 and Latinos will decide the election. Asking poll questions that let poll respondents express their preferences for Democrats other than Obama will open up the conversation.

Voters and readers and viewers deserve to have the questions asked:

Is there another candidate who polls against the Republican candidates better than Obama?

Does a generic Democratic candidate poll better against Republican candidates better than Obama?

All the latest polling matches Obama to the major Republican candidates, and President Obama generally comes out lacking and losing or ending up in a statistical tie with all of them but Bachmann.

Pollsters Should Do Their Jobs, Instead of Maintaining Status Quo
If the pollsters were doing their job, they'd be polling the Republican candidates against a generic Democratic candidate, at the least, and better, would match the Republican candidates against different potential candidates who have been mentioned as potential candidates if Obama was primaried or if he withdrew his candidacy-- Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Russ Feingold, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, to name a few.

Many Democrats are saying that ONLY Obama can beat a Republican candidate. But they don't know. They're speculating. One way to be far more certain is to do the polls I'm suggesting. If they are not done, you have to ask the old question Qui Buono... who benefits?

What do you think?

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Another thought.  I'm not very interested, at this stage in seeing polling matching Obama against other Democratic candidates. It's too early for that. First, let's see how any other Democrat but Obama does against the Republican candidates.

I expect the Obama apologists to recite their usual litany:
-"primarying a candidate causes losses."
Not always true. LBJ was primaries and that led Robert Kennedy to become a candidate, leading to LBJ dropping out. I'm hoping Obama will pull an LBJ. Primarying LBJ didn't cause a loss. Sirhan Sirhan Assassinating Kennedy did.

-"There are no good candidates."
 Out of over 310 million Americans, there are plenty. Personally, I'd like to see a woman run. If Obama steps down, candidates will emerge-- good ones.

-"It's too late."
Kennedy didn't announce until after New Hampshire. Anything is possible.

Last, we saw what happened in the race to replace Anthony Weiner-- Obama had "reverse" coattails that cost the candidate the election. If Obama does run, it will cost the Democrats many seats in the house and senate. Another candidate could not only save those seats but also help bring more wins with coattails that help not hinder Democratic candidates.

this is an updated crosspost from an article originally published at Opednews.com

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Would you like to see polls pitting a Generic Democrat Against Romney, Perry, Paul, Etc., to see if anyone but Obama Polls better in the Presidential race?

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 1-)
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    pengiep
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    zegota

    "too often, the head steals the heart's best blood."

    by robkallopednews on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 06:25:27 AM PDT

  •  CNN did (5+ / 0-)

    ask Democrats if they wanted to renominate Obama - and over 70% said yes.

    The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

    by fladem on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 06:27:44 AM PDT

  •  Take This Torch Up When..... (3+ / 0-)
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    Debby, Deep Texan, science nerd

    ... you have a declared candidate who isn't a kook (yes, a kook) and we can have this discussion.  

    -"It's too late."
    Kennedy didn't announce until after New Hampshire. Anything is possible.

    Yes, and Kennedy destroyed the Democratic chances of reelection... "Carters' own party hates him!"

    Primary = HCR repeal + >1 more conservative SCJustice + austerity forever + LGBT rights go in the shitter

  •  The problem with this logic is (3+ / 0-)
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    ManhattanMan, Supavash, science nerd

    that all the "usual litany" that you expect "Obama apologists" to recite is, in fact, true.  

    If Obama continues his current tack of being tough on the GOP and concentrating his whole focus on jobs, he'll do fine with dems and independents.  If he doesn't, he'll have a problem.

    The choice is up to him on this and I think he's finally making the right choice.  At this point, primarying him isn't a good idea (and I say this as someone who was suggesting a primary as recently as several weeks ago.)

    If Obama gets primaried, Romney is president.  Simple as that.

  •  This is what they always do when there is an (6+ / 0-)

    incumbent. It has nothing to do with favoring Obama.

    I'd like to see a poll with Feingold, Sanders, etc. against a generic Republican though. I think it would be eye opening for some of the people here.

    As to Kennedy, he was not the first to enter the primaries against Johnson, McCarthy was. Whether Kennedy would have won the nomination is unknown although Larry O'Brian, his campaign manager thought his chances were slim. Whether he would have won the general election if he had been nominated is also doubtful since the Wallace factor would still have been in play. Hard to see what states Kennedy would have carried that Humphrey didn't and Kennedy might have lost Texas which Humphrey carried.

    You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

    by sewaneepat on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 06:44:11 AM PDT

    •  McCarthy (0+ / 0-)

      Yes, I know.
      When McCarthy took 40% of the New Hampshire primary, that gave LBJ the message that he was not going to do very well.

      We've been discussing a similar possibility, that someone will run against Obama, pull strong, and that will send the message to Obama that he should step down. It would be nice if polls were run first, to get that picture early. It boggles my mind that so far 75% of dkos folk oppose even finding out.

      "too often, the head steals the heart's best blood."

      by robkallopednews on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 06:53:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And Nixon won the general. (2+ / 0-)
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        Deep Texan, science nerd

        (Actually you know, Johnson did win NH, but only by a small amount,)

        It is unlikely that RFK would have gotten the nomination and even more unlikely that he would have won the Presidency. How do you think he would have done it? Were you of voting age in 1968? Do you remember George Wallace? Do you think RFK would have won Texas?

        You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

        by sewaneepat on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 06:59:31 AM PDT

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        •  Kennedy would have cruised into the nomination (0+ / 0-)

          Johnson pulled out because he realistically saw the close vote as a repudiation of his candidacy.

          Now the poll is at 87% opposing finding out how any other democrat would poll against the republicans. Is this a denial driven Democratic death-wish?

          "too often, the head steals the heart's best blood."

          by robkallopednews on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 07:17:11 AM PDT

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          •  His campaign manager did not think so. (0+ / 0-)

            What makes you think so?  Again, I ask you even if he won the nomination, how would he have won the general? Are you basing this just on your opinion or do you have some idea how that might have come about? What state would he have carried that Humphrey did not? Do you think RFK would have carried Texas? Were you even alive in 1968?

            You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

            by sewaneepat on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 07:38:16 AM PDT

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          •  Since you aren't going to look it up. (0+ / 0-)

            Here are some facts. There were only 13 states with primaries, only one of which was held after Bobby was assassinated.

            McCarthy won 6, including the only one after Kennedy was killed. Kennedy won 4, Johnson won 1, Smathers won 1, and Stephen Young won 1. You notice Humphrey won none though Young and Smathers were his surrogates. Interestingly, McCarthy trounced Kennedy in the Mass. primary.

            The other non-primary states were for Humphrey. It is extremely doubtful that these party bosses would have gone for Kennedy. He would have hardly "cruised" to the nomination.

            You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

            by sewaneepat on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 09:53:36 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  Whether You've Been Discussing it Or Not... (1+ / 0-)
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        science nerd
        We've been discussing a similar possibility, that someone will run against Obama, pull strong, and that will send the message to Obama that he should step down.

        ...this is not a "Possibility*.

      •  How can this candidate do well if even here (0+ / 0-)

        most people oppose him/her? In actual primaries it will be even more brutal.

  •  Yep, You Gave All the Correct Rebuttals to Yourslf (3+ / 0-)

    You're confusing human beings with candidates.

    There must be 10,000,000 Americans who could do the job better than Obama. But there aren't any candidates who could get INTO the job.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 06:48:04 AM PDT

  •  If they did such a poll... (0+ / 0-)

    ...I'm sure that "generic Democrat" would poll better than Obama does.  "Generic candidate" always polls better than a named candidate.

  •  And all this is of course based on pure conjecture (1+ / 0-)
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  •  one correction (1+ / 0-)
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    science nerd

    Actually, if you look at most polls, Obama is winning by a wide margin against all of them. Only Romney comes close. Even in all the polls head to head against Romney, Obama is still winning in most, if by very close. The others, especially Perry, he trounces.

  •  Stupidity (1+ / 0-)
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    science nerd

    I see the trolls are still alive and well. It is not going to happen, so if you want to keep saying stupid things, so be it.

  •  waste of money (1+ / 0-)
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    science nerd

    There  would be no point to wasting money polling this. Obama is going to be the democratic nominee. I have seen polls showing 75% of  democrats do not want a challenge to Obama.

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