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First Official Statement from Occupy Wall Street.

This was unanimously voted on by all members of Occupy Wall Street last night, around 8pm, Sept 29. It is our first official document for release. We have three more underway, that will likely be released in the upcoming days: 1) A declaration of demands. 2) Principles of Solidarity 3) Documentation on how to form your own Direct Democracy Occupation Group. This is a living document. you can receive an official press copy of the latest version by emailing c2anycga@gmail.com.

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive.

Cross-posted at Plutocracy Files.

Originally posted to PlutocracyFiles on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:20 PM PDT.

Also republished by DFH Local No 420.

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  •  "Am I my brother's keeper?" may be an apt question (7+ / 0-)

    for the Wall Street banksters, and maybe NYPD (although it seems to have a different take on that phrase).  

    I'd suggest our occupiers could have some signs saying "We are your brothers and sisters! We all need to keep each others welfare in mind!"

    Glad to see consensus formed about demands and process and sticking together to make it all happen.  Still struggling with names I guess. It all seems to be about our attempt to "Occupy the Future" by changing the present and rectifying the past.

    When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

    by antirove on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:32:35 PM PDT

  •  Good god. (0+ / 0-)

    First - who are "all the members"? And who wrote this? This is really un-good work. Blah. I'm sorry. But those protestors are doing better without this.

    •  Honestly, writing on something (0+ / 0-)

      like this has to be more concise than "they" and "corporations." And I really doubt a majority of people actually at the protest would support this statement.

    •  Hmph, you've pissed all over the protesters (8+ / 0-)

      in previous threads, so let me offer two words of advice to you: Shut up.

      Or, better yet, offer constructive alternatives to what's been created.

      Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Main Street. Occupy everything. Force a tsunami of change on the nation.

      by Black Max on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:38:52 PM PDT

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      •  Your alternate universe just collapsed. (0+ / 0-)

        I have done nothing of the sort. I am 100% behind the protestors, and have spent too much time arguing with people dissing them. You are not only 100% wrong, you are 100% stupid.

        thanks for playing.

        P.S. Who the fuck do these people are thinking they can speak for all those protestors?

        •  who are you to say they don't (0+ / 0-)

          Were you there to see the process? How do you know this doesn't represent them?
          Who are you to say that they didn't come up with this a group?

          It shows a wide variety of items. That reflects a group consensus. Why go small when you have been there for weeks now? Being focused and going for specific achievable policy targets has been what Obama and people who ahve been called 'Obama-bots' on this site have been criticized for. Not reaching enough, not standing on principle.

          They are going big, let them go big and stay there.

          No one on the right complains when the tea party wants to close the border and wipe out the EPA.
          Let them go big and put pressure on people in power.

      •  yeah here's a better alternative: (4+ / 0-)

        First of all, the statement as issued, is a mess.  It's a leftie laundry list that most Americans will not be able to relate to, much less support.

        The way to do this successfully is to keep a sharp focus on issues that will get mass support on Main Streets all across the US.

        For example:

        = Crimes of fraud by banksters, on a massive scale, triggered the "deep recession."

        = Then they held the economy hostage for billions of dollars in taxpayer bail-outs.

        = Since then they have continued the looting spree at the expense of all of us.

        = We demand that they be held to account and brought to justice.

        = We demand a return to Keynesian economics, that worked in the 1930s Depression and created a stable secure middle class.

        = We demand that our elected officials support the middle class, not the compulsive high-stakes gamblers on Wall Street.

        Simple and right to the point, and will get mass support.

        Beeyotching about the police, and colonialism, and animal rights, and all that "stuff" will only backfire.

        Now if you want to argue that point, I'll be glad to.

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 07:31:25 PM PDT

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      •  actually it looks like we agree on this. (1+ / 0-)
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        Re. your post below, titled "tweaks on first reading" or something similar, looks like we're on the same page about this.  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 07:34:39 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, I came to the same conclusion (0+ / 0-)

          Little is right, but I suspect for the wrong reasons. However, my telepathic powers often fail me...

          Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Main Street. Occupy everything. Force a tsunami of change on the nation.

          by Black Max on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 07:43:36 PM PDT

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          •  You know, an honest adult who told either a lie (0+ / 0-)

            or a simple wrong would cop to it when it was pointed out.

            •  Hm, I rec'd this remark before I realized (0+ / 0-)

              it was a backhanded slap. Quit being bitchy and just say what you mean. I was wrong to slap you (directly) for criticizing the document when it turns out I agreed with some of your criticisms. I wasn't wrong in saying you've pissed all over the protesters before now.

              Everything squared away now?

              Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Main Street. Occupy everything. Force a tsunami of change on the nation.

              by Black Max on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 09:42:01 PM PDT

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              •  No. I'm talking about you saying (0+ / 0-)

                that I was "pissing" all over the protesters in other threads. Were you straight out lying about that or did you mix me up with someone else? And when I corrected you - what on earth stopped you from copping to it?

    •  they want to say something, let 'em say it. are (16+ / 0-)

      you out there in the rain or getting arrested?

      Nothing here that I disagree with, except maybe the stuff about animal rights - a very touchy subject that is NOT on my first tier menu of issues, and not well stated, IMHO - but hey - if they can coalesce around that, go for it!

      They're on the front lines, so cheer, don't jeer.

      Fear is the mind-killer - Frank Herbert, Dune

      by p gorden lippy on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:41:05 PM PDT

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      •  Wo is "they"? (0+ / 0-)

        I agree that people there gt to say something before me, but would selected this group? Not the majority of people there.

        •  I think tone is more the issue + (20+ / 0-)

          Maybe instead of dissin' it, just say: I like x,y and z - don't like A,B and C - I would include 1,2 and 3. And here's why.

          If you support them, that's how supportive people behave.

          Thousands of years ago the question was asked: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society. ~ Eugene V. Debs

          by PlutocracyFiles on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:48:30 PM PDT

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          •  Please don't lecture me. (0+ / 0-)

            I support the protestors 100%. Why this anonymous group thinks they speak for all the people down there I do not get. And I think this document highlights immaturity. My thoughts.

            •  Well - I don't mean to lecture but + (13+ / 0-)

              You may be supportive, but you don't sound supportive. And since we're not mind readers, you come across as not supportive.

              Thousands of years ago the question was asked: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society. ~ Eugene V. Debs

              by PlutocracyFiles on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:58:41 PM PDT

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              •  ?? Because I don't like this list (0+ / 0-)

                you're accusing me of not being supportive? Do you realize how empty that is? Can I just ask you to trust me? I am really really really really supportive of these protests, and I have spent WAY too much time arguing with ppl about "Oh, what are the goals??" (Like Bob Fucking Cescca.) Fuck that. PPl with their asses out there deserve our support.

                •  No, I'm not accusing you of not being supporting+ (7+ / 0-)

                  I'm saying you don't SOUND supportive. You opened with "Good God." That opener and the whole post SOUNDED not supportive. And then, when someone suggested you weren't supportive, you acted shocked. And then I suggested that the issue was tone and you said I was lecturing and....here were are.

                  If you think your posts SOUNDED supportive, I would say that you maybe don't have a good sense of how you come across to others.

                  Disagreeing is no problem - it's a question of tearing down or building up.

                  Of course, all of this is my opinion and really it was just a suggestion. And if you honestly feel you are coming across supportive, by all means - continue. But if you continually have people accusing you of not being supportive, it might be tone. Just sayin'...

                  Thousands of years ago the question was asked: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society. ~ Eugene V. Debs

                  by PlutocracyFiles on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:17:42 PM PDT

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                •  no, because you keep making accusations about (1+ / 0-)
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                  p gorden lippy

                  who the people are who voted on this, without understanding that if the occupyboston web site published it, it had to have been sanctioned by a vast majority of the community there. the occupyboston web site has been sanctioned as the only official web site. What gets published there is agreed upon by everyone at the General Assembly.

                  So, disagree with the items, the presentation, whatever, but quit trying to delegitimize it as representative of the protesters there.

                  I was there for 3 days to get a sense of how they work. It's a very powerful thing. It is not perfect. But it is awesome. Rather than sit here belittling the validity of the list, you might try experiencing the process.

                  Please remember to Witness Revolution. It means so much to them that we pay attention.

                  by UnaSpenser on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 09:26:44 PM PDT

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            •  the group is not anonymous. You can see them (2+ / 0-)
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              bablhous, p gorden lippy

              all on the livefeed.

              There is a village which has coalesced there. Almost every person attends the General Assembly.

              Please remember to Witness Revolution. It means so much to them that we pay attention.

              by UnaSpenser on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 09:22:52 PM PDT

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          •  "They have purposely covered up oil spills, (0+ / 0-)

            accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit."

            "Inactive ingredients"? Here's a supportive suggestion: if that group wants to release written statements, get really good thinkers and writers to make them.

            •  I know what they mean by inactive ingredients (3+ / 0-)
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              (I think) but I had to think about it, and I bet a lot of people won't know.

              (has to do with palming off "medicines" that aren't really medicines, selling them as something they aren't.)

              Thing is, though, the list is so long that I don't think most people are going to get to that point.

              Still, like I said elsewhere, I've been wrong about OWS before, so more power to them!

              Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:17:53 PM PDT

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            •  You have a point, but (1+ / 0-)
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              Little

              even though this protest is very well organized in some ways, this is still a very diverse group.

              I'm sure that getting the group (or any sampling of representatives) to agree on anything is like herding cats.

              It's kind of amazing that they did this well.

              But I agree that it does sound a bit unprofessional in places.

              "We come on a peace thing. White flag?" "White flag!"

              by VictorLaszlo on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:25:09 PM PDT

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        •  OK-- (7+ / 0-)

          you don't understand how it works.  the way this is organized  is truly an exercise in direct democracy.  'They' is anyone who happens to be participating.  Anyone in the park can speak out via 'the people's soap box' and put their ideas out there.  If someone feels strongly against an idea that has been stated, they have equal access to the soapbox.  General assemblies are held to make decisions using a similar process.  marches and actions are planned and organized by the people who want to stage them.  if other people are interested, they help out.  

          with all this said, i would sort of tend to agree with you in the sense that there is no way to sum up all of the grievances of 'the 99%' in a press release.  the system has been fucking over too many people in too many ways for too long to make that possible.  however, i think the strength of this movement in terms of messaging is that while there are many individual agendas represented among the protesters, the place where those agendas overlap tend to be principles that are very hard to argue with:

          the system favors the wealthy and connected
          the people are getting screwed over by their government, while banks and the rich just get richer and richer
          the system needs to fundamentally change so that it works for all of us rather than just some of us

        •  obviously, you haven't sat in a General Assembly (1+ / 0-)
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          p gorden lippy

          for this statement to come out, it means that everyone who wanted to have a say on it, sat in a General Assembly and voted on it. So, it had to have been not just a majority of the people present, but 75% of the people present.

          Please remember to Witness Revolution. It means so much to them that we pay attention.

          by UnaSpenser on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 09:21:32 PM PDT

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    •  well, I kinda thought so too (11+ / 0-)

      but guess what?  I've been wrong about OWS before.
      They've been doing fine so far despite my misgivings.

      I would have rather seen a more focused message limited to 1)unemployment 2)bailouts and lack of convictions for Wall St execs 3)corruption of Gov't by big money 4)foreclosures 5)massive income inequality. 6)union-busting.

      Those five are linked together, and I think pretty much cover what's most pissing off Americans.  This is what I was afraid would happen, a big long list of everything everybody in the square is mad about--

      But like I said, I've been wrong every time I've criticized these folks so far.  They have a better record of success than I do.  So, more power to them.

      Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:44:15 PM PDT

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      •  I always had my fingers crossed for them but+ (7+ / 0-)

        All of this is new to me - I'm totally surprised by how effective they've been. I'm done doubting and just feel like I'm watching - it's pretty fucking incredible.

        Thousands of years ago the question was asked: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society. ~ Eugene V. Debs

        by PlutocracyFiles on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:00:19 PM PDT

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        •  every single step of this has mirrored Tahrir (4+ / 0-)

          including all the outside critiques.

          It's fascinating to see that.

          Those kids in Tahrir Square brought down a dictatorship. But the first couple of weeks the international criticism of them was, "they don't have a message" then, "there messages are all over the place".

          They used the same organizing principles being used in NYC. It's very different than what we're used to. It is relentless leaderless and relentless inclusive. They will always err on the side of including more rather than less. This allows everyone to feel like they had their perspective included. It takes time to get from echoing the specifics of every single voice to crystalizing that into a more polished form.

          It will all be okay. This is a movement, not a protest. There may be protests within the movement. The protests may lead to some immediate actions with the system we're living to ameliorate some harm, but the movement is about a fundamental shift in a way of being a society. These shifts are so profound that it will take a lot of time for many of us to get past the ingrained perspectives we have been brainwashed to have. We simply don't know that there is a different way, which is better. We can't imagine it. But the movement is offering a better way and ultimately the revolution would be about ending "representative" democracy and engaging everyone in direct democracy.

          One has to have a different faith and allow things to unfold in a completely different way for direct democracy. The criticisms we're seeing are from people whose minds are still rooted in the modalities they have been trained to believe in. They have no faith in this new model. So, if it doesn't unfold the way they believe "success" unfolds, they criticize. They even mock. It will take time to watch what happens and see if we can learn.

          Please remember to Witness Revolution. It means so much to them that we pay attention.

          by UnaSpenser on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 09:36:14 PM PDT

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    •  i (1+ / 0-)
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      disagree.

      What is put forth is true. And simply put.

      They're getting there.

    •  Seems to be a good list of greivances (0+ / 0-)

      What exactly is your problem with it? Do you disagree with the points or the presentation?

  •  may I make a suggestion? (2+ / 0-)

    Perhaps they should include this as well:

    "They have exploited and plundered our natural resources, endangering the environment on which all life on Earth depends"

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:40:24 PM PDT

  •  Suggested tweaks from my first reading (5+ / 0-)

    and strictly my own opinion, not Lofty Recommendations from On High:

    1) Tone down the verbosity. I understand you're echoing (deliberately or not) the Declaration of Independence, where Tommy J laid into the king with a list of grievances, but at times the wording becomes somewhat high-toned and formal. Edit and simplify. And while you're at it, fire it up! Don't ask for your voice to be heard, demand it. There's some pussyfooting in this document. Cut it out and go for the throat.

    Also remember, you're talking to post-millennial people who think in Twitter-sized bites. Short, punchy, declarative sentences with powerful verbs. Not:

    They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

    but

    The banks and their accomplices stole our houses. They want to steal our future.

    2) Stick to about four or five fundamental, across-the-board grievances that everyone not wearing tea bags in their ears can get behind. Right now you have an enormous laundry list that idiots on the right will cherrypick to paint the protesters as "typical crazy lefties." These should probably be eliminated in their entirety, as much as I agree with them:

    They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

    They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

    They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

    They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

    They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

    They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

    They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

    They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

    They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

    They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.

    Again, I agree with all of these. But you have to focus on economic issues and avoid trying to hit every issue. I'm an enormous animal rights advocate, for example (if I were to have joined any "extremist" group, it probably would have been ALF), but this is not the time to fight that battle. Narrow your focus. You want the pipewelders and the longshoremen along with the college students.

    3) Be more forceful in your assertions. Instead of, for example,

    Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

    try something like:

    You have the right to assemble: use it! Occupy every public space you can. Demand solutions to the problems the corporations and the politicians have caused. Find solutions that benefit the 99%, not the 1%.

    4) More declarations and action verbs, and less passivity and indirection. Your document sounds like it was cobbled together in a SoHo loft with twenty people who wanted to include everything and offend no one.

    This isn't an example of firebrand political rhetoric, but it doesn't get any more straightforward and powerful as this. Read The Creation and learn from its combination of proclamation, poetry, and sermon.

    Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Main Street. Occupy everything. Force a tsunami of change on the nation.

    by Black Max on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:00:33 PM PDT

    •  Should have added to the above: (1+ / 0-)
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      This is a fight for economic freedom, pure and simple. If you added things like the oil spill, the animal rights, or the torture profiteering to placate some people, tell them to get on board or get fucked. We can't fight all of our individual cherished battles in one go.

      Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Main Street. Occupy everything. Force a tsunami of change on the nation.

      by Black Max on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:02:37 PM PDT

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      •  the oil spill *might* be applicable (1+ / 0-)
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        to me, the environmental stuff is on the cusp, b/c energy and environment are so linked to our economy, esp. energy.

        But if you want to keep it simple, maybe better to leave out the oil spills.  I don't know.

        Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:22:41 PM PDT

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        •  When in doubt, leave it out. (1+ / 0-)
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          Why argue for/against oil spills, torture and profiteering, animal rights, colonialism (!), etc? The single overriding issue is our fight for economic freedom.

          Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Main Street. Occupy everything. Force a tsunami of change on the nation.

          by Black Max on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:41:15 PM PDT

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          •  not the rule of thumb for direct democracy (1+ / 0-)
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            bablhous

            "doubt" often serves the power class.

            Direct democracy is designed to make sure marginalized voices are included. So, it only excludes if there are "blocks" - which is a specific tool in the process wherein someone can only block if they have serious ethical or safety issues, such that they would leave the community if that thing were done or included.

            this process requires that early iterations include everything, along with the kitchen sink. This way, everyone feels that their voice is represented.

            Messages may be refined later.

            By the way, there was a similar process in the founding of our country. Early documents show long laundry lists of issues.

            Please remember to Witness Revolution. It means so much to them that we pay attention.

            by UnaSpenser on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 09:41:55 PM PDT

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    •  I liked the loftiness + (9+ / 0-)

      I don't think they're speaking to them - they're speaking to US. This isn't about them, it's still about mobilizing. It's about inspiring. And I loved how it feels so heartfelt. Not angry and combative - God, I've had enough of that for a lifetime. It felt sincere and like they were appealing to the better angels of our nature - to the best in all of us. I found it completely refreshing.

      Also, I liked harkening to the Declaration. With this, they intentionally place themselves in a direct line - through TJ, Lincoln, MLK Jr. to now. This is our glorious national traditional. And think of all of those statements: Declaration of Independence, Gettysburg, I Have a Dream - loftiness is occasionally appropriate. When you're striving for our highest ideals, appealing to the best in people - that's a time for loftiness.

      Thousands of years ago the question was asked: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society. ~ Eugene V. Debs

      by PlutocracyFiles on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:06:32 PM PDT

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      •  I agree with you about the lofty (3+ / 0-)

        and about the Declaration--I think most people are going to resonate to that.  

        It's nice to know that people under 35 still are taught enough about our history in school to be able to produce something like this--

        though like I said, TJ really did ramble in that list of demands, and I think 21st-century people are a lot less patient with that than 18th-century people.

        Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:24:04 PM PDT

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      •  I like the loftiness also, however, (1+ / 0-)
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        you need to think less about rhetoric for the ages and more of an indictment. I always envisioned Jefferson as writing the first draft of the Declaration in a white-hot rage, letting his talent for rhetoric shape his language as he threw down his charges against the British one at a time. Then he went back and edited.

        We want to indict the corporate oligarchs for their economic crimes against the people. Stick to that. Nothing wrong with some occasional touches of high-flown rhetoric, but this should be something a construction worker can read on his lunch break and go, "Fuck yeah!"

        Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Main Street. Occupy everything. Force a tsunami of change on the nation.

        by Black Max on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:44:07 PM PDT

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        •  Exactly right. (1+ / 0-)
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          What you said:

          ...this should be something a construction worker can read on his lunch break and go, "Fuck yeah!"

          Amen to that!

          "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 07:35:56 PM PDT

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    •  Amen to that! Looks like we agree! (1+ / 0-)
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      Re. my post in response to your post a ways back there: looks like we agree about this:  cancel the laundry list and stick to a tight focus on issues that will get mass support across the US.

      "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 07:33:54 PM PDT

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      •  Got it, you were dead on (0+ / 0-)

        Said on Twitter that this draft looks as if it were written by Cindy Sheehan. No slap at her, she's sincere and passionate in her beliefs, but #ows won't do anything except turn itself into "just another bunch of libs" by adopting this list.

        Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Main Street. Occupy everything. Force a tsunami of change on the nation.

        by Black Max on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 09:46:35 PM PDT

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          ... the fact that "sincere and passionate" does not equal a winning strategy.  

          OK, so now how to influence the crowd in NY to get some focus and clarity?  

          "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 11:22:49 PM PDT

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  •  I wonder if most people are going to need to see (0+ / 0-)

    some sort of action plan that shows if this and this is done, this and this will happen, and this and this will change.  I think that's the real key, what actions can be taken, or can we force the politicians to take, that will address these issues or issues that are most beneficial to start the changes needed.  
    Not saying they should be there, I think that's where many others need to come in now and contribute toward that.

    S.A.W. 2011 STOP ALL WARS "The Global War on Terror is a fabrication to justify imperialism."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:08:42 PM PDT

  •  I like to keep it simple (11+ / 0-)

    We are the 99%

    What more needs to be said?

    R.I.P. Troy Anthony Davis
    October 9, 1968 - September 21, 2011

    by SwedishJewfish on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:13:36 PM PDT

  •  I am worrying about the bravehearts occupying (5+ / 0-)

    wall street when winter hits.
    Don' they need a shelterbox drive....???

  •  When will DK get a print button just for the diary (0+ / 0-)

    I'm tired of pasting and copying into a document to read a great post on actual paper that I can share with people who don't have computers.  Why is there no "print" option???

    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?

    by Hummingbird on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 10:14:17 PM PDT

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