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Warren's house party could change things.
At a recent house party in support of her campaign to unseat centerfold Sen. Scott Brown and reclaim Ted Kennedy's seat, Elizabeth Warren was giving a disquisition on spending, fiscal responsibility and the fairness of higher taxes on America's wealthiest. As part of her talk, which was casually recorded on video by a supporter at the event, she went on to explain in forceful words exactly why those who fancy themselves as Luntzian job creators have a strong obligation to support the social structure that brought them prosperity, rather than have their taxes cut even further:
“There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own—nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory—and hire someone to protect against this—because of the work the rest of us did.”

“Now look.  You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea—God bless!  Keep a big hunk of it.  But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay it forward for the next kid who comes along.”

She may not have realized it at the time, but Warren's cogent and crystal-clear explanation of the social contract that has underwritten the hopes and dreams of generations of Americans may have been a turning point in the messaging war that will verbally assault the airwaves for the next thirteen months of campaign season.

It may seem like common sense to mainstream Democrats and progressives, as well as even some conservatives and Republicans, that those who have benefited most handsomely from the stability and safety that American society has provided would understand the importance of ensuring that the next generation would have the same opportunity. Instead, our political discourse since the arrival of the tea party Congress has told us the exact opposite. The messaging coming from every conservative mouthpiece has centered on the idea that to make the economy succeed, we need to ensure that the wealthiest among us have the legislative and economic playing field tilted even more heavily in their favor. After all, the logic goes, if the wealthy got just a little bit richer, they just might hire a few more people from the struggling working class. If they were feeling generous, that is, given the low demand for the labor.

It is testament to the failure of the left regarding economic messaging that the simple truths uttered by Warren that day—that roads, education, firefighters and police and public goods that don't exist by fiat and need to be paid for—could be thought of as a potential gamechanger. But the evidence is adding up. As of this writing, the video clip of Warren's speech had garnered over 615,000 hits on YouTube and has inspired an image that has become at this early stage a symbol for everything Warren's campaign represents.

President Obama might just be taking note.

Kos mentioned earlier this week that David Axelrod may have finally learned that bending over backward to make nice with an insatiable GOP was not a winning strategy—a concept supported most strongly by the weak polling numbers the administration is facing regarding independents, the one group for which the focus on bipartisanship was supposed to have the most appeal. Whether or not one agrees with Axelrod's characterization of "getting something done" and "partisan war" as diametric opposites, one thing was clear: the conciliatory approach was not connecting with the people. Fortunately, the success of Warren's message may have convinced the President that swinging with the left hook can be a winning strategy.

Mr. Obama took some time off from leading the free world to make some fundraising stops on the West coast, and I attended the reception on Monday evening at the House of Blues in West Hollywood (yes, the same one where a heckler called him the antichrist). Most of the president's address to the crowd focused on the need to pass the jobs bill, put Americans back to work, and restore the American dream as captured by the notion that trying hard and playing by the rules could essentially guarantee success; but it was hard to escape the notion that Elizabeth Warren's language had begun to permeate his consciousness:

Part of what makes America great is, you have this extraordinary idea, you have this extraordinary talent, you start a business, you provide a service, and it works out and you do well—that is good, that's what America's all about. We want to promote that all across the country. But remember: your success didn't come on your own. There was a teacher out there somewhere who helped to provide you the knowledge you needed to learn. We're in this together, and the question is, how do we make sure that we're going to be creating the same kind of America that allows the next generation to succeed?

The similarities between the president's remarks in West Hollywood and Elizabeth Warren's explanation of the social contract at a house party in Massachusetts can hardly be coincidental; it would defy belief that the president's political team could somehow not have noticed the surge in popularity that Warren has been experiencing recently. More likely, Warren's stirring defense of America's social contract took off like wildfire and sent the right wing into a fit in the process, providing a perfect example of how to re-energize a skittish base take a more confrontational approach against a political opposition that seeks to permanently privatize and hoard the nation's public wealth.

Warren's courage has been contagious so far. Her clarion call to justice for the next generation of Americans can provide Democrats and progressives with an opportunity to reclaim the narrative about how to make America work again for everyone.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:00 PM PDT.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement.

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  •  nobody in this country who got rich on his own (33+ / 0-)

    Especially the likes of the Coke Brothers

    So it's The Why do you hate this country You're Obsessed with misquoting me out of context while I was in the process of misspeaking with the sun in my eyes while chowing down and bashing Sharia law God Bless America defense.......

    by JML9999 on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:04:56 PM PDT

    •  I think we all know that (1+ / 0-)
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      I was at a major Democratic Party event today in the metro area.  150 Dem. activists were there.  Conroy and Kazei were there.

      We haven't heard much from her since her announcement.  More troubling, she's hired several people who are well known, but under the radar screen, people don't like or trust.  

      My guy's out and I'm looking for a candidate, but she's made some basic political mistakes, and I'm being very careful about where I go next.   The video doesn't do it for me.  Specifically, I need to know more about her views on and knowledge of  foreign policy.  I also need to know that she can work with Republicans to solve problems.

    •  I'll say it again.... (32+ / 0-)

      Pelosi and Reid ought to order all Democrats to attend a day-long seminar by Elizabeth Warren on message framing.  If they did and the Dems followed it, this next election wouldn't even be close.

      Trouble is, there are still to many DINOs who don't get the message.  Replacing them with Elizabeth Warrens....lots of them, will go a long way to solving the party's image program.

      Democrats/President Obama:  You have GOT to stand for something and a good place to start might be the principles this party supposedly stands for.  

      I dunno about you, but the Occupy New York manifesto of this weekend seems to offer a pretty good place to start.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:27:00 PM PDT

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      •  A problem (2+ / 0-)
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        tb mare, Merry Light

        After 3 years of trying to be "bipartisan" and "work together," if Obama is going to abandon that angle, he needs to make it clear that is precisely what he is doing.

        Otherwise, he looks like a liar, a waffler.  Just come out and say that the GOP's intransigence and the current situation make it clear that we don't have time to wait for the GOP to drag out every policy issue; from now on, things need to get done... and fast.

        "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

        by gsbadj on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 04:29:15 AM PDT

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    •  anybody have a link... (0+ / 0-) the anecdote/joke thing that talks about what a conservative thinks when he's driving to work vs. what a liberal thinks?  it's about the social contract and how conservatives think they've done everything on their own and the liberal sees how society enables success.  i want to use it in my civics class....

      •  As you requested (2+ / 0-)
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        •         A Day in the Life of Joe Republican
        Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
        With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
        All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.
        He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
        In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
        Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
        He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
        Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.
        If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
        It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
        Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.
        Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.
        He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.
        The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.
        He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
        Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.
        Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

        Hey dumb dumbs, if tax cuts created jobs, we would have so many jobs that we would glady let the illegals come in.

        by hkorens on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 05:15:05 AM PDT

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  •  Does anyone else get the notion (29+ / 0-)

    That we are seeing the Democratic Nominee for 2016 in the making here?

    I sure do.

    Single payer IS the answer.

    by oofer on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:07:26 PM PDT

  •  I know several people, newly minted US citizens (27+ / 0-)

    here in MA who are eagerly awaiting being first in line on election day to vote for Elizabeth Warren.

    It's inspiring that, every once in a while, we seem to produce someone absolutely extraordinary.
    Go, Liz!

    Fear is the mind-killer - Frank Herbert, Dune

    by p gorden lippy on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:07:40 PM PDT

  •  You were talking about Elizabeth two years ago (16+ / 0-)

    I then watched her videos on YouTube and fell in love with her and her massage.

    I now stand ready to support her in anything she does.; an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action 48forEastAfrica - Donate to Oxfam

    by Shockwave on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:11:55 PM PDT

  •  Added tag "form ranks and fight" ... (10+ / 0-)

    The tag comes from this story, relating to events on March 8, 1933, five days after President Franklin D. Roosevelt was sworn into office:

    ... Felix Frankfurter reminded Roosevelt that it was Oliver Wendell Holme's ninety-second birthday.  Before March 8 was over, the President had taken enough time from the banking crisis to negotiate the steep stairs at I Street and pay his personal respects.  "We face grave times", Roosevelt said to the old justice.  "What is your advice?"  The Civil War veteran replied without hesitation: "Form your ranks and fight.".

    Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., The Coming of the New Deal, page 14.

    It seemed appropriate here.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:12:36 PM PDT

  •  Tammy Baldwin is saying the same thing (15+ / 0-)

    Sometimes you need a couple (or more) strong women to reset the debate in this country.

    "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

    by Shane Hensinger on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:14:22 PM PDT

  •  President Obama will lead us where we tell him (1+ / 1-)
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    we want to go. So let's make some noise... but remember, actions speak louder than words.

    A thousand names on a petition delivered to the White House is more persuasive than ten thousand letters and phone calls. It demonstrates that people are talking to each other and organizing around an issue.

    A candidate running for office is more persuasive than a petition. It demonstrates that people are willing in influence elections to further their cause.

    PBO isn't going to be a trailblazer, it doesn't fit with his concept of what it means to be the Head of State. But if we show him the way forward, he'll use the power of his office to keep us moving.

    Have you noticed?
    Politicians who promise LESS government
    only deliver BAD government.

    by jjohnjj on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:15:51 PM PDT

    •  Not so sure about that (0+ / 0-)

      "A thousand names on a petition delivered to the White House is more persuasive than ten thousand letters and phone calls. It demonstrates that people are talking to each other and organizing around an issue."


      Letters and phone calls have a personal touch.
      And congressional offices tally those.

      I've heard that a petition with 1000 signatures has the impact of one person.  That wouldn't surprise me.

      Barack Obama for President '08

      by v2aggie2 on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:49:39 PM PDT

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  •  If only Molly Ivins could have seen this ... (15+ / 0-)

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:20:11 PM PDT

  •  I really like Warren, and I hope she wins (0+ / 0-)

    but a candidate running as liberal in a very liberal state, isnt really courageous, nor is her initial popularity something stunning.

    •  her message would resonate anywhere. she is (14+ / 0-)

      fair and articulate. most non-crazy americans want fairness. and she explains it well.

      "Say little; do much." (Pirkei Avot: 1:15)

      by hester on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:25:04 PM PDT

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    •  If Mass were so liberal..... (9+ / 0-)

      how do you explain Mitt Romney and Scott Brown?

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:30:06 PM PDT

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      •  It's rare that one party is going (0+ / 0-)

        to be completely shut out from every statewide. Over the last ten years, I'm sure almost every single state has members from both parties hold some statewide office. HE get good candidates from the minority party, or poor/corrupt candidates from the majority party.

        Brown ran against a horrible candidate. And he is the exception. The last GOP senator in MA was in the 1970s, and was an actual liberal Republican I believe.

        Romney ran as a moderate even liberal candidate and won, also, against a not very good Dem candidate.

        I like Warren. I'm just saying, let's not pretend she would be doing as well in OK, or even OH, as she is doing in MA.

      •  Off message D candidates and good R ones (2+ / 0-)
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        You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

        by Cartoon Peril on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:39:30 PM PDT

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      •  Liberal but sexist (0+ / 0-)

        Romney ran as a liberal Republican of the type New Englanders recognize. It may not have been true (who knows, with Romney) but he has the health care plan to prove it.

        Martha Coakley ran an awful campaign, and also ran head-on into the buzz-saw that Mass. uses on women candidates.

        Hopefully Elizabeth Warren can get up enough of a head of steam -- and tap into the OccupyBoston type anger -- and overcome that.

    •  I don't see it like that. (4+ / 0-)
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      hester, Cartoon Peril, Danali, pademocrat

      How did Taxachussetts elect Senator Centerfold in the first place? I know Coakley was weak tea, but seriously.......vapid Brown?

      While Obama and Axelrod kept muttering that thing about "the perfect being the enemy of the good", it was really: don't let the mediocre stand in the way of the truly disastrous for the country and only good for the upper percentile. Present and recent policy is duct tape when 2x4's and 12 penny nails were/are needed.

      The gall of that woman, Warren, trying to bring some transparency to everyday contracts so that people can understand what they're signing.....I mean really? Did you ever hear of such a thing?

      •  Ducked tape? . . , ducked confrontation, ducked (0+ / 0-)

        post-partisanism, ducked liberal and progressive campaign promises.
        Ducked tape? Not so much.

        What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

        by agnostic on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:07:22 PM PDT

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    •  And with all due respect, Obama has been (10+ / 0-)

      making comments like that for a while, long before Warren got in the race.

      Here is a comment he made in NC in early 2010.

      You’re hearing a lot of talk these days about government, and government is terrible, and bureaucrats, and they’re taking over and all this stuff. Look, I don’t want government any more than is necessary, but there are some things that Bob or any CEO can’t invest in. Bob is not going to build the roads to get to Celgard. No company is going to make investments for a public good. None of you would expect a private company to fund our military or our firefighters. There are just some things that you can’t do on your own, and the private sector is not going to do -- it’s not profitable because if Bob was the guy who had to build the road, he’d have a whole bunch of other people driving on that road that weren’t paying for it. So it’s not a good investment for him.

      That’s where government comes in...  

      For all the talk here about how Obama should use the bully pulpit more, his speeches get almost zero coverage here, or just get trashed. If it takes Warren saying stuff that the president has said to get liberals to pay attention to it, that's fine.

    •  But she's been saying these things everywhere (1+ / 0-)
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      for quite a while -- this is not tailored to her campaign, it's what she really thinks.  Unusual in a politician but nevertheless true.

      If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

      by Tamar on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 07:47:23 PM PDT

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  •  could it be the long slumbering american people (13+ / 0-)

    who actually are at risk of losing everything their parents and grand parents fought for are waking up pissed off and ready to turn the tables on the rightists who want to take away social security, unions, pensions, public schools, clean air and water and so on? it sure is about time and i temper my hope but it is growing.

  •  message discipline is reclaiming the narrative (7+ / 0-)
    Her clarion call to justice for the next generation of Americans can provide Democrats and progressives with an opportunity to reclaim the narrative about how to make America work again for everyone.

    I am off my metas! Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03)

    by annieli on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:26:30 PM PDT

  •  You got that right (4+ / 0-)
    It is testament to the failure of the left regarding economic messaging that the simple truths uttered by Warren that day—that roads, education, firefighters and police and public goods that don't exist by fiat and need to be paid for—could be thought of as a potential gamechanger.

    I'm both inspired and somewhat exasperated by the reception that Warren's comments have received.

    The Rent Is Too Damn High Party feels that if you want to marry a shoe, I'll marry you. --Jimmy McMillan

    by Rich in PA on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:30:57 PM PDT

    •  Why be exasperated (0+ / 0-)

      when the time for the message is ripe, and the right messenger is there?  That's what the process of political movement is always about.  

      Much has changed since 2008.  I seriously doubt anyone would have paid much attention to Warren's video then.  In 2008 we were in the belly of the disaster, hardly knew what hit us.  Yeah, we knew Bush was wrong about everything, hence Obama's message of change resonated.  But we could not know the specifics of the aftermath, as we now understand it.  

      So now, the message becomes more specific, with more evidence and more people ready to speak out, from Warren and Obama to OWS, and importantly, more people ready to hear and consider that message.

      Political change is ALWAYS a long process.  Where did so many progressives get the idea that change is a matter of a vote and a magical president?

      •  We're years past ripeness. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        The Rent Is Too Damn High Party feels that if you want to marry a shoe, I'll marry you. --Jimmy McMillan

        by Rich in PA on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:41:48 AM PDT

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        •  "Ripeness" (0+ / 0-)

          is of course, in the eye of the beholder.  But most would say that ripe means ready to consume.  Regardless of your politics, or your agenda, movements happen when enough people are willing to consume the message offered. It's not a matter of when you or I decide when it should be or should have been.

  •  Hers' is the kind of message that will resonate... (14+ / 0-)

    ... with the great majority of the American public.

    Her message is expansive, inclusive, respectful. It emphasizes community, the commons, the dependencies we have on each other. It is a message that everyone who has had a leg up from someone - anyone - can relate to.

    Her message is not selfish, narrow, self-serving or libertarian. It is the antithesis of the "self-made man" syndrome that so many men and women who have become successful need to think is true for everyone because it seemed true for them. But that wasn't true for them then and it isn't true today.

    Elizabeth Warren's message is an acknowledgement, not a threat. Best of all, it is uniting, not divisive.

    Obama and strong Democratic majorities in 2012!

    by TRPChicago on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:37:27 PM PDT

    •  I always admired my father, a truly self-made (7+ / 0-)

      man, because he believed strongly in social programs and on helping the neediest and most vulnerable.
      He never got rich, but he ended up with a very comfortable upper-middle class life even though he started as a child without enough food to eat (parents separated, mother supported her 3 sons by doing housework); he worked his way through college and graduate school as did his brothers and the three of them supported their mother from the day they first started working until the day she died.
      Yet instead of saying "I did it myself so everyone else should do that also" he was closet socialist (closet because he lost his job during the McCarthy era so learned not tell anyone the entire truth about his beliefs); he gave generously to liberal causes and charities, supported the most liberal politicians, joined in the March on Washington in 1963 (with his older brother, me and my older brothers). He got reprimanded in the 1950's for trying to hire black accountants in his government department.  When he retired he joined the Gray Panthers, got training as a paralegal to help low income people at a legal clinic.
      Compare him to Clarence Thomas who also came from somewhat poor roots but got all sorts of help and scholarships (unlike my father) yet feels smug and comfortable with denying that help to anyone else.

      If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

      by Tamar on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 07:59:59 PM PDT

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      •  What a heritage (0+ / 0-)

        So you didn't get to where you are on your own either -- me neither.

        Somewhere your father had someone who taught him those values. That's a different kind of wealth, and one we need even more than money.

        •  He certainly benefited from public schools -- all (0+ / 0-)

          that intelligence wouldn't have gotten him into college without a free primary and secondary education. (socialism!)
          He worked for the government -- but as an auditor, he saved the government far more than he cost them.  
          At one point he worked for Wage & Hour (don't know if it's still called that) and learned all the ways employers try to screw their employees.
          As an auditor for the Army Air Force (before it was a separate branch), he had a meeting with Harry Truman who was some kind of administrative judge at that point.  And my Dad had to tell Truman that the government was being cheated by Truman's old gang -- the machine that he had worked for as a bagman.  My Dad assumed Truman would protect them, but he didn't at all.  My father had the utmost respect for Truman from then on (but he loved FDR).

          If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

          by Tamar on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:32:21 PM PDT

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  •  You're Not Confusing Democrats With the Left Are (9+ / 0-)


    The left was politically devastated decades ago. The message failure has been one of the Democratic Party.

    I'll show you a message failure of the left: your framing of the issue in this diary.

    It is testament to the failure of the left regarding economic messaging that the simple truths uttered by Warren that day—that roads, education, firefighters and police and public goods that don't exist by fiat and need to be paid for—could be thought of as a potential gamechanger.

    That's a failure of the moderate conservatism of the Democratic Party, not of the left.

    The failure of the left is to make Democrats and those like you advocating for Democrats that what the actual need is, is for preventative progressive taxation that prevents the rich from acquiring most of the country's wealth.

    The Democratic Party made that happen for 45 years or so, but the American people have been losing wealth to the rich for the last 30 years once we eliminated protective taxation of the rich in 81 or so and the Democratic Party bought into it completely, merely tweaking the basic Reaganomic tax approach.

    The fact that the rich paying a little more of a "fair" share is the ideal we hope the Democratic Party will fight for, --THAT is the failure of the left.

    Of course we failed because we've been slaughtered. Despite the whole historic record, even Democrats don't believe it.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:51:03 PM PDT

  •  It will reclaim the narrative if the existing Dem (0+ / 0-)

    (non)leadership adopt it.  If she and some commentators n MSNBC are the only ones talking in those terms, it won't.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 05:52:30 PM PDT

  •  Excellent diary, as always. (1+ / 0-)
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    But, you lose me when you suggest that Markos understands a goddamned thing about President Obama or David Axlerod.  Markos understands about getting hit numbers up on a blog by throwing red meat to his devotees.

    Ask Senator Sestak about his understanding of politics in the contemporary United States.

    Frankly, I am still under the impression that the Tea Party Franchise was designed from the outset to appeal heavily to those individuals who received their entire education on economics and policy from Atlas Shrugged.  That is most apparent when one observes how badly their newly-elected representatives handle their jobs.

    •  Oh, please.... (1+ / 0-)
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      You think those tea party morons read a book as long and deep as Atlas Shrugged? I am sure the Koch brothers did but not the rank and file.

      If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. John F. Kennedy ( inaugural address, January 20, 1961)

      by Outraged Mom on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:45:06 PM PDT

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  •  Warren should be camping out with the (2+ / 0-)
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    #OccupyBoston crowd.

    •  or at least show up (0+ / 0-)

      Sleeping on the ground gets harder when you're over 50, and she's got a campaign to run. But showing up to shake a lot of hands, and cheer people on, and encourage them to help her campaign, she should be able to do. I hope she does, without fear of being tainted by association with an "unruly mob".

  •  The future (0+ / 0-)

    Warren and Schweitzer for 2016

  •  If I were EW, I'd be ticked off (2+ / 4-)
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    Obama used the grassroots activists to get elected.  

    He used their foot soldiers, he took their money, he used their talking points. Once he got into office, all that went OUT the window. He has continued and expanded just about every bad policy Bush enacted.

    Obama  has recognized Warren's surge in popularity and is now using HER words to try to get re-elected.  He recognizes the popularity of her words and is now using them.  

    If Obama gets re-elected, it will be back to the same ole' corporatist, sell out BS as his first term.  Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

    Ron Paul would provide more change in our politics than the current occupant. Yes, Paul is "out there" on some issues, but he has been consistent throughout the years.  Paul believes in and is for getting rid of the Fed, he is for ending ALL the wars (what is it? 5 now?) he was against the Bankster bailouts, he would legalize marijuana, end the patriot act and tht is just for starters.

    I can guarantee you a Romney Preznit and an Obama Presidency would look almost EXACTLY the same. A Paul presidency would look different. He has even been quoted as considering Kucinich in his cabinet.  

    I voted for Obama in 2008.  I will not vote for 'evil' again bcuz everybody knows that less evil is still evil.

    •  Couldn't agree with you less. n/t (6+ / 0-)

      "Congress has not been able to fix these flaws so far, so I will." - President Obama, 9/23/11

      by BarackStarObama on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:10:19 PM PDT

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    •  You're truly an idiot IMHO (1+ / 0-)
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      ..and I think Elizabeth Warren would probably agree. Although I admit I haven't asked her personally.

      "So, am I right or what?"

      by itzik shpitzik on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:17:29 PM PDT

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      •  name calling? seriously? serously?? (1+ / 0-)
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        I would like to know which part of my statement is not true? Obama has doubled down on just about ALL Bush policies. check Ron Paul has been consistent, check. Obama used the grassroots, check. Obama has enacted alot of policies that are well right of Reagan and is a corporatist sell out, check. We have drone strikes where innocents are killed daily in Yemen, Syria, Pakistan, Libya and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. (oh my, I guess thats six, not five) okay, so you got me there. He's assassinated an American Citizen for petes sake! Where in the constitution does it state that, THAT is okay? Obama is less evil than Cheney, but he is still evil

        •   And your point is? (2+ / 0-)
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          that we should voote for Ron Paul because he is consistent?

          Yeah, you've convinced me with your hyperbole. NOT. President Obama is not evil; he is hamstrung by evil people and was, perhaps, not well served by his first Chief of Staff.  It is pure idiocy to call him evil.  Disappointing, maybe.  Never evil.

          If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. John F. Kennedy ( inaugural address, January 20, 1961)

          by Outraged Mom on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:49:15 PM PDT

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        •  Methinks you don't know your Constitution. (4+ / 0-)
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          Obama cannot make legislation. The mess that was the legislative outcome in the first half-term should be directed at the atrocious Senate - where the conserva-dems ensured the worst possible outcome - the appearance of a super-majority without actually having one.

          I think America got very lucky in snagging him as President, and I also think we have an unsung hero in Nancy Pelosi. No Obama is not a liberal as I would want, but he's as liberal as America is allowing right now - and would set the stage very well for Elizabeth Warren in 2016.

          Although I do favor a yin and yang balance between conservatives and liberals I would be very happy if the current batch of conservatives would be politically wiped off the map for next few election cycles and give the rest of us a chance to right the ship.

        •  If the shoe fits...n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          Just as prostitution is the world's oldest profession, religion is the world's oldest scam.

          by Agent420 on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 08:54:00 AM PDT

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    •  out there on "some issues"! I'll say: (2+ / 0-)
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      He'd bring us back to the good ol' days of illegal abortions:

      * Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”

      * Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”

      Because he agrees with Thomas Jefferson that it is “sinful and tyrannical” to “compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors,” Ron Paul will also protect the American people’s freedom of conscience by working to prohibit taxpayer funds from being used for abortions, Planned Parenthood, or any other so-called “family planning” program.

      He believes Social Security and Medicare are unConstitutional:

      Read his views on religion & government -- scary as hell to me:

      The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before putting their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.
      (actually, most of framers were not particularly religious, despite what Paul says).
      He supports a flat tax (CPAC 2011) which is, of course, outrageously regressive hurting the poor but making the rich richer.
      Out there -- he's deep in tea party land.

      If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

      by Tamar on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 08:41:09 PM PDT

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    •  Concern trolls out in force today (4+ / 0-)
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      "Obama and Romney are the same!  Stop caring!"

      Things that would not have happened under McCain
      - Health Care Reform
      - Killing OBL (if you object, keep in mind that McCain specifically said he would NOT go into Pakistan)
      - End Don't Ask Don't Tell
      - 2 liberal SC justices (absolutely HUGE with the high court teetering on the brink of ultra-conservatism)
      - "Arab Spring" handled gracefully without US ground troops but with dictators falling
      - GM and Chrysler saved, with the US Gov't profiting from the loans
      - Creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

      So, kindly STFU with the "both sides are the same!" business.  It's unbelievably stupid.

      •  great list. When we feel frustrated with Obama (1+ / 0-)
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        for going way more than halfway to meet the Republicans, it's important to be reminded of the things that he's has gotten accomplished.  

        If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

        by Tamar on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:36:24 PM PDT

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    •  LAME! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      Just as prostitution is the world's oldest profession, religion is the world's oldest scam.

      by Agent420 on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 08:49:42 AM PDT

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    •  HR'd for promoting Ron Paul, which is (0+ / 0-)

      expressly forbidden on this website.

      Kos has said he'll ban anyone who does it .. and I hope he does.

      •  agree. I was wondering about this and why he (1+ / 0-)
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        was getting away with something specifically labeled as off limits.

        If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

        by Tamar on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:37:29 PM PDT

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  •  The President is putting out a message consistent (3+ / 0-)
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    with Warren's.  And the predictable responses from the Republicans, which are completely laughable mind you, are, infuriatingly, still being treated by the MSM as not only being true, but almost self-evident.

    What are some of these responses? Look at Chris Christie, the latest darling of the GOP, who supposedly is a straight shooter and tells it like it is. In reality, he's completely as full of crap as the rest of them. He made points at his Reagan Library speech such as:

    The President is being divisive (because he's suggesting raising revenue as well as  budget cuts) even though taxes now are at a level not seen in decades, and this is a large reason for our deficits. The middle-right Simpson-Bowles commission agrees that some revenues need to be raised, so just how is Obama being divisive? Because he actually suggests on getting the revenue from those who actually have resources beyond those required to satisfy near term needs?

    He is returning to his left-wing ways (again, because, shudder, he is suggesting raising taxes).  The President may be many things, but he is resoundingly centrist, many would say to a fault.

    He is in campaign mode instead of governing (when all he is campaigning for now is that Congress pass a jobs bill! It isn't for him, it is for America, and if he benefits tangentially, so will the Congress that now has record low approval ratings).

    But he's not willing to lead (translation: capitulate unconditionally to right wing demands).

    The fact is, that the only way that the GOP and the media would agree that the President doesn't have these faults is if he just let the Tea Party run (and destroy in the process) our entire country.

    Warren's is still a lonely voice. But hopefully the increasing protests, and the signs of incipient backbone growth in the President and other Democrats, will eventually force these media buffoons (we all know who they are), who still insist on parroting uncritically the completely ridiculous and self serving propaganda generated by the Republicans, to begin to change their story. Absent that, they could at least have the guts to repeat these charges in front of someone like Warren, who will set them straight in record time.

    "The only thing we have to fear - is fear itself." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    by orrg1 on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:09:20 PM PDT

  •  someday she'll be president (4+ / 0-)
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  •  Both Warren and Obama sound like they (1+ / 0-)
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    are channeling George Lakoff!

    "I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." Richard Feynman

    by leema on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:30:28 PM PDT

  •  Elizabeth Warren's message needs to permeate (0+ / 0-)

    Occupy Wall Street.

    It needs not have her voice, just her clarity.  

  •  Just an observation. (4+ / 0-)
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    Republicans are looking for a savior and Democrats have one.

    Elizabeth Warren.    

    Life is strange indeed.  

  •  Remarkable energy (5+ / 0-)

    to her campaign here in Mass. She is what we need everywhere in this country.

  •  Courage has to be contagous. (2+ / 0-)
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    It is so rare.

    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:45:10 PM PDT

  •  MA is lucky (3+ / 0-)
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    what a fantastic choice they get.

  •  I like Warren. (6+ / 0-)
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    She knows how to talk to people like she's a real person, not like a used car salesman trying to sell you a lemon (which sounds like a lot of politicians these days).

    Let there be balance in all things.

    by DawnG on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:47:36 PM PDT

    •  She has the luxury of saying what she believes (1+ / 0-)
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      It is easier to sound real if you are real.

      I'm truly sorry Man's dominion Has broken Nature's social union--Robert Burns

      by Eric Blair on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:08:43 PM PDT

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      •  A friend on my FB page claimed she (0+ / 0-)

        was being a shallow politician speaking rhetoric.  After I debunked that myth (he claims he's never heard of her), he obviously didn't read any of the links I gave him, and then claimed that it was "code" for corporations paying more taxes.  I said, NO, she's talking about how everyone is in this together and it takes all of us to be a successful nation.  I don't believe EW has ever spoken anything in "code".

        -6.50/-5.23 "Don't find fault, find a remedy." - Henry Ford

        by Merry Light on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:53:00 PM PDT

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  •  good slogan for occupywallstreet... (4+ / 0-)
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    by theChild on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:51:21 PM PDT

  •  she should come to Occupy Boston and give a speech (0+ / 0-)

    People there are likely to be very receptive towards an overview of the financial crisis and foul play by the banksters.

    Global warming is the inconvenient truth, nuclear power is the inconvenient alternative.

    by eigenlambda on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 06:57:07 PM PDT

  •  Yeah, you guys'll have to forgive me if I don't (1+ / 0-)
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    jump out of sheer joy at Obama's sudden "re-discovery" of progressive values or ideology. As we've seen all too well in the past, Obama is great at adopting progressive rhetoric when he's in campaign mode or whenever a particular situation demands that he "assume" the progressive persona he's so clearly scorned all these years. Sorry, not buying it. Unless I see clear, decisive policy changes that point to a real embrace of progressive principles on his part, whatever Obama's rethoric's is for the moment will not make me change my mind about him.

    •  Give me a break, (6+ / 0-)

      President Obama has achieved so many things in terms of POLICY and LEGISLATURE under three years that Progressives have struggled to achieve and failed for decades!

      Does President Obama ever getredit for anything?

      •  Sure, his push for mandatory health insurance (AKA (0+ / 1-)
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        Romneycare), from which the HC industry will make billions while ordinary folks see premiums rise. Ongoing bailouts for wall street banks that crashed the economy, while top execs are still benefiting obscenely from taxpayer money. Continuation of the Bush tax cuts for "job creators" while prescribing more "shared sacrifice" to the middle and working class of this country and demanding that all those whiny black folks complaining about "poverty", "rising inequality" and "joblessness" do "their part" to solve these problems, as he recently told the Congressional Black Caucus. In the meantime, the " War on Terror" marches on and expands to a few more countries, to the delight of the ever encroaching, drone-producing, military industrial complex, etc, etc.

        And of course, you should see him "fight" for the political causes he believes in...........

        Please people, please......

  •  A new Fall River legend (3+ / 0-)
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    Lizzie Warren took an axe
    And gave the Repugs 40 whacks.
    As I laughed and had some fun
    I said: "Barack, that's how it's done!"

  •  Watching the vid (0+ / 0-)

    and reading the quote is surreal...I was at that event in Andover. I was sitting on the floor right in front.

    And dammit, I was THIS CLOSE to having the most viral video on the planet - I decided not to record her speech on my smartphone, partly because my angle sucked (I doubt the future Warren campaign woulda liked a video taken looking up her nose!) and I was having enough trouble being comfortable on the floor (that place was SOOOO freaking packed!).

    Anyway, we have our first Dem primary debate, and I am looking forward to it. I am a strong Warren leaner but I figured I needed to wait til I gave everyone a chance in the first debate, since it obligingly is happening in my own city.

    I watched most of the candidates' speeches at the Dem convention in June (also obligingly in my city this year! LOL) and honestly, I like a lot of them as progressives and people, but I do not think they were ready for the statewide stage...but they've had the summer to work it out, and I am looking forward to being there.

    I might live-stream the video on my blog, or else, if it's televised live and not necessary for me to do that, then I'll live tweet it (@leftinlowell). In any case, it's gonna be interesting!

  •  I'd just settle for fewer Blue Dogs and more (0+ / 0-)

    Elizabeth Warrens.

    Is that asking too much?

  •  Elizabeth Warren 2016! (0+ / 0-)

    Its not too early to be thinking ahead to 2016.  

    Elizabeth Warren 2016!

    by windwardguy46 on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 01:15:57 AM PDT

  •  The "failure of the left" (0+ / 0-)

    "It is testament to the failure of the left regarding economic messaging..."

    The failure of the left has been total. Other than helping Bush win the 2000 election, it has been politically irrelevant since the Vietnam War.

    "I want real loyalty. I want someone who will kiss my ass in Macy's window, and say it smells like roses." Lyndon Johnson

    by pkgoode on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 01:24:30 AM PDT

  •  My band of marauders is pissed. (0+ / 0-)

    Elizabeth Warren is trying to steal our jobs!

  •  COurage (0+ / 0-)

    How about ignorance.  All of the stuff she says has been paid for by others was first paid for by that bad five letter word, PROFIT.  Corporate profits pay salaries, pay taxes, participate in philanthropy, pay for social programs, almost everything our country has ever owned originated in the form of a profit made by a corporation.  Thus every road, every school, every teacher, every fireman, every policeman were paid with funds the government "collected" from corporations and thier employees.

    •  Checking your uid and sign-up date (0+ / 0-)

      I become suspicious - sure you're not over here from RedState just to cause trouble?  
      Considering every dollar my family makes is from REAL small businesses who take their pay from other individuals, and then we pay taxes for our local schools, roads, bridges, etc.  I work for a 2-person small business, my spouse IS a 1-person small business.  So your comment is pure and utter trouble-making B.S.

      -6.50/-5.23 "Don't find fault, find a remedy." - Henry Ford

      by Merry Light on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:49:12 PM PDT

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