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The confusion on the Left about the goals and methods of OWS seems endless. Even those of us who are sympathetic and would like to understand are quick to pigeonhole the movement into our narrow understanding of politics (and to point out that, by those standards, they're doing it all wrong). We on the Left are continually attempting to understand their movement in familiar terms and, when their actions and methods are not familiar, we're dismissive. The result is, we're really missing the point - they're telling us that we can live in a better world. (And I know there are numerous people who close down the moment they hear such lofty idealism, but if the OWS movement has been more effective than you initially thought they could be, perhaps your narrowness of vision is the problem).  

A persistent complaint from the Left is that the protesters' methods are ineffective. However, this is clearly false: The OWS movement is spreading like wildfire and is garnering support from unions and community organizations at an impressive pace. All I can say to this complaint is: If only the Democratic Party were this "ineffective."

And I categorically reject the notion that the OWS movement was hopelessly ineffective, but now that unions have joined, maybe they will be. Be very clear: The OWS movement isn't effective because unions have joined; unions have joined because the OWS movement is effective. Bear in mind that before the unions supported the OWS movement, the OWS protesters showed up to support the postal workers union. Kevin Gosztola reported that when the OWS protesters arrived, a large cheer rang out. For me, the postal workers' cheering was heart warming, but also a little heartbreaking because it's a painful reminder of how little support our working class usually gets. Unions have been thrown under the bus for so long - how could they not support this movement? And they are. In droves.

Can anyone honestly argue, with a straight face, that "We Are the 99%" is an ineffective message? It's astonishing to hear such criticism from a group whose rallying cry is: "We're better than Republicans." At this point, Democratic politicians rub our noses in our lack of options and basically tell us we have no choice but to vote for them, no matter how thoroughly they sell us out and no matter how depraved and corrupt they become. The OWS movement is telling us and, more importantly, showing us that this is a lie.

As Occupy Wall Street protester J.A. Meyerson explains:

The occupation of Wall Street is a two-headed monster: One the one hand, it's a political statement and a protest; and, on the other hand, it's a community unto itself.

We, on the Left, focus on the political protest aspect of the movement (being sure to point out how these well-meaning, ragtag kids are doing it wrong). But when it comes to their creation of a "community unto itself," we're at a loss. And because we don't understand it, our reaction is either to ignore that part or to actively deride it (this is the silly, hippie nonsense). But the two-heaaded monster metaphor implies this aspect is a significant part of the movement. And it's important for several reasons: it builds camaraderie; it allows for extended occupation; and also, it shows us what is possible. Part of the idea of the "community unto itself" is to reflect the type of society they'd like to live in. And indeed, it seems that everyone who encounters the OWS movement is inspired:

I have spent the last two days at the Occupy Wall Street gathering. It was a beautiful display of peaceful action: so much kindness and gentleness in the camp, so much belief in our world and democracy.... It is a thing of beauty to see so many people in love with the ideal of democracy, so alive with its promise, so committed to its continuity in the face of crony capitalism and corporate rule. ~ Mark Ruffalo

The overwhelming tone was spirited, determined, and thoroughly inspiring. As I’ve said before, who knows where this is going, but right now it’s exciting.... [W]ith the original OWS encampment persisting, and cities across the country joining in, I thought of Wallace Stevens’ line about searching “a possible for its possibleness.” ~ Doug Henwood

I was personally moved by this statement, made at an early Occupy Boston meeting:

When I heard this, when I heard her say everyone was welcome and, very specifically, that the homeless were welcome, I realized something: In small, growing clusters throughout the country and, indeed, around the world, these words are no longer an embarrassing farce:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tossed,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Right now - because of this ragtag group of kids - these words are not just a shameful reminder of our hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy. The OWS movement is indeed a "community unto itself" that is showing us that it's possible to live up to our highest ideals. We are not fated to live in a cruel and ruthless society; decency and fairness are indeed possible:  

The 99% of us have paid a dear price so that 1% could become the wealthiest people in the world.... We live with great injustices in the land of justice. We live with great lawlessness in the land of the law.

It's time to check ourselves, to see if we still have that small part that believes in the values that America promises. Do we still have a shred of our decency intact in the face of debasement? If you do, then now is the time to give that forgotten part a voice. That is what this movement is ultimately about: giving voice to decency and fairness.

Philosophers have long noted that some things - indeed the most important things - transcend language. They can be experienced, but never completely expressed. If you think the OWS movement is ineffective, if you feel they must have concrete demands, if you're dismissing them based on their attire, you're missing the point. I cannot claim a full understanding of the movement myself (I am too new to direct action), but what I do know is that the OWS movement is more than just a political protest. Accordingly, we must not only listen to what they're saying, but also pay close attention to the communities they're creating.

Cross-posted at Plutocracy Files.

Originally posted to PlutocracyFiles on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:09 PM PDT.

Also republished by Occupy Wall Street.

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    by PlutocracyFiles on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:09:19 PM PDT

  •  Relax. Shit Happens, But It Happens a Lot Slower (33+ / 0-)

    than history says it happens before.

    The left is everybody who fights the machine and believes that organized society is obligated to the common people.

    They're the left, we're the left, unions are the left. The Occupy crowd will do what they do. It's limited, disorganized, but that's okay. What they've already accomplished is to give elected Democrats a "bad cop" to point to, so they can ask a little more of Republicans and tell them if you don't give the compromises we want, the hoards are coming for you and they won't be so generous.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:16:26 PM PDT

  •  We had all these arm chair critics in the sixties. (45+ / 0-)

    Usually the "analysis" was motivated by guilt for not getting off one's ass and fighting alongside the others.

    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:26:06 PM PDT

    •  and @ the web in mid-90s (8+ / 0-)

      How could the web ever amount to anything when it just lets people put anything they want up there and link all over the place?

    •  One can debate tactics though (4+ / 0-)

      It was not a good idea to burn American flags and indulge in orgies.

      Thankfully, the left of today is smarter and less elitist.

      Conservatism = greed, hate, fear and ignorance

      by Joe B on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:51:55 AM PDT

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    •  I think this question of organization is an imp. (7+ / 0-)

      one.  This diary is spot on and as dm points out, the critics are not new.  Most of the critics are criticizing the OWS movement for not being the same as political movements in the past.  Uh Huh?  All those political processes that have helped us so much and created so much change?  Yeah?   Clearly we need something new, and by god, we have a generation willing to step up to the plate!

      First off, it seems to me that this is a new type/model of demonstration.  I know that a lot of demonstrations in the 60's were planned.   I do not know how many demonstrations were spontaneous or how many were planned, but a lot were planned.  There was nothing wrong with that planning and organizing which did take place.  

      Yet it seems that we are dealing with a different animal today.  Like the Egyptian Uprising, the new techonology and social media has made it possible for a truly grass roots demonstration to take place.  (Not like the astroturf of the corporate Tea Party.)  The 'flash mobs' are truly children of the Twitter.

      I have studied group behavior and am a history buff, and I believe that the 'organization' for the movement needs to come from those involved.  Clearly the paradigm with which we have been working in this country has imploded on itself.  If this generation and group can alter that paradigm enough to actually get something constructive done, it will be a miracle.  I watch with great admiration the "General Assembly' efforts of OWS.

      At the same time, I hear pundits saying "what are their demands?" "this first official statement is poorly written," "they need to organize" and it seems to me that the pundits simply want to put them into a box, so they can slice and dice them.  The pundits want this demonstration to be like all the other demonstrations with which they are familiar; the pundits can't see change happening before their eyes.   I was shocked to read the otherwise 'pure gold' Nick Kristof criticizing their first statement.  I couldn't agree more with the diarist who said so perceptively:

      Be very clear: The OWS movement isn't effective because unions have joined; unions have joined because the OWS movement is effective.

      But what is happening is that OWS has found a way to reach a consensus with a plurality of points of view.  And I think that is an amazing thing.  We need plurality for the next election and for working on all the common world problems that we have. And clearly we have to find new ways to approach that plurality.   (Working with a Plurality does not equal to making compromises with a partner who is not interested in working cooperatively, such as the Tea Party....)  

      I hopefully believe that their group process will lead the demonstrators to a form of organization that will express their generational approach to problem solving (I realize that there are multil generations represented,) and I stand ready to provide them with whatever support I can.  I will give it to them, on their own terms, as long as they remain non-violent, don't break the law knowingly and maliciously and the approach seems viable.

      So, for those reasons, I think we should refrain from all the urges to 'organize them' or 'categorize them' or 'get them to write more clearly,' etc.  They will work this out.  This includes trying to herd the cats right now into one diary on DK.  I just hope that they don't capitulate to the media pressure for 'sound bites,' and import a form of organization from 'the pundits/experts' which will necessarily be hierarchical... and viola, we will be back at square one of oppression of a group by an elite.  I think that the pressure to 'fit into a box' of political parties, pundits, media, plutocracy, etc. will be enormous and I really hope that they will stand firm in their process.  This process of egalitarianism is what is at the heart of their power and must be preserved.  The egalitarianism directly challenges the elite and they would like nothing more than to change this movement into their image and likeness.  We need to help them resist the calls to essentially CONFORM to the 'way things are' and to continue to struggle with this seminal moment of giving birth to a new form.

      However, on the other hand, I do think that there is a huge opportunity for us to organize and to offer support as a "Resource."  A Resource that is ready and able to provide expertise that is needed.  Our "Resources" can be organized up the whazoo, to be ready for use as needed by OWS.

      Resources can be organizing legal, financial, goods, contact information, media support  etc. etc.

      And that also includes voting with our feet at these demonstrations!

      Thank you, thank you, thank you to this diarist for this most needed perspective.

      The OWS movement has given me new hope for this country.  Real hope.

      I belong to the “US” of America, not the “ME,$,ME,$,ME,$,ME,$” of America!

      by SeaTurtle on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 06:55:44 AM PDT

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      •  Non-Hierachical Organization (4+ / 0-)

        This is what's confounding many of the critics.  The decision making processes we are familiar with are implacably top down, the very antithesis of democracy. Social conservatism is drawn to and coexists easily with similar hierarchical top down institutions, where the people at the top operate from unchallangeable positions of authority- think business, the military, law enforcement, churches. The guy at the top of the flow chart always has the ultimate say and each level of hierarchy has similar clearly delineated structural authority over the levels below. Even the traditional family is ordered in a similar hierarchical structure, the oldest male at the top, then simple seniority and gender defining each members place below. These authoritarian and corruption prone structures are used from birth to assert and normalize control over the many by the few. The intervention of hierarchically structured political parties allows these authoritarian methods to be placed between the will of the people and the mechanism of democratic governance and invites and guarantees corruption into those processes.  

        #OWS is a different way- at least thus far.  I applaud this.

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        by Kurt Sperry on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 09:17:02 AM PDT

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      •  The kids are alright. (3+ / 0-)
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        I love the idea of the 'flash mob' mentality via social networking I'm far too old to be part of... where the word goes out and people just show up, for their own reasons. And support builds among 'organized' groups like unions and issue groups, who also start showing up, for their own reasons. And more, and more, because everybody's just sick of the shit. For their own reasons. Once it's all there then committees doing needful things get 'organized' on the spot by people willing, and that gets 'organized' for necessary logistical purposes, etc., etc.

        No coherent list of 'demands'? GREAT! People are sick of the shit, for their own reasons. Wall Street and their bought puppets in government should be more afraid of that than anything else. Not because it's likely to turn violent (that will come from entirely different 'organized' groups), but because it's drawing millions.

        We've got no future, very much by design of the 1% and all their enablers in government. Thus we've got nothing to lose en masse. That speaks to the fear that Wall Street and their puppets should be feeling a whole lot more than they do so far. They hate freedom, but forgot to learn the truth about that from Bobby McGee...

  •  I don't think it's the Left (26+ / 0-)

    that views this effort as ineffective per se.  Those labeling it as such are much more likely rightists and centrists perfectly happy with the status quo and thus having a vested interest in labeling any challenge to the status quo as "ineffective".

    The Left sites I frequent are full of critiques, but only the most incorrigible naysayers among the tiny actual Left in the US are refusing to acknowledge it as a worthwhile, if flawed endeavor; at the worst, a start, a beginning of the long overdue learning and building process  of a counter-hegemonic force.

    "The existence of a good thing is no evidence of its being enjoyed by the working class." ~ Daniel DeLeon

    by ActivistGuy on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:27:49 PM PDT

  •  Hear, hear! (38+ / 0-)

    When I spoke at OccupyBoston, I pointed out that there are at least two tracks to "the message": the movement message which is about finding a better way to govern ourselves as a society and the protest track which is about making a starter list of immediate demands. That list will grow and evolve as the movement grows and as anything happens at a governmental level.

    There is an ideal being expressed. We're not living anywhere near that ideal. Demands feel almost futile if they are not couched in a bigger vision of where we want to go. Each demand will be a baby step toward that vision.

    A vision which is inclusive of the plurality of the 99% will take time. Each occupation will craft it's own and other types of groups who come together in General Assemblies may craft their own. Themes will emerge and things will happen.

    It's a beautiful, creative chaos.

    Please remember to Witness Revolution. It means so much to them that we pay attention.

    by UnaSpenser on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:28:50 PM PDT

    •  List of demands? (21+ / 0-)

      Not a critique.  My hat is off to the group, but a list of demands doesn't sound good.     A list of demands makes it sound like a "prison riot".    If this gets twisted into a bunch of leftist militants, the message will get destroyed; and this message is the best ever.  

      "We are the 99%" couldn't have been better if Frank Luntz created it.   It is simple, and it says it all.   It is an emotional and gut level appeal to fairness that even tea baggers get.  It doesn't even require an explanation, but if you need one........

      We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we’re working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent.

      What do you want? Economic fairness in elections, jobs, justice, wealth, health care, education, you name it.   This is America.  You are quite willing to work you way up the ladder, but you have to have a ladder in order to do it.   America wants economic justice and a ladder of opportunity to build the American dream.

      Good luck, keep is simple, and thank you all.   Be careful.  

      Yes we can, but he won't.

      by dkmich on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 02:45:34 AM PDT

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    •  Actually, IMHO, no need for demands just yet (6+ / 0-)

      The people at OccupyWallStreet have clearly defined the problems facing this country and why so many people are upset with the direction we are going.

      Not having specific demands and not having one leader is a strength right now.  It makes it impossible for the rich and powerful to have one thing to shoot at.  It also makes everyone involved in this movement feel empowered.  

      This quote of yours, Una Spenser, captures what I am seeing.  It is contrary to the current paradigm that most of us are used to, but that is why it works.  

      There is an ideal being expressed. We're not living anywhere near that ideal. Demands feel almost futile if they are not couched in a bigger vision of where we want to go. Each demand will be a baby step toward that vision.

      A vision which is inclusive of the plurality of the 99% will take time. Each occupation will craft it's own and other types of groups who come together in General Assemblies may craft their own. Themes will emerge and things will happen.

      IMHO, empowerment is a huge part of what this movement is doing and that is the stage we are in right now.  

      The United States is not just losing its capacity to do great things. It's losing its soul.--Bob Herbert. gulfgal98's corollary- We are fighting back to save our soul. Thank you, #OWS for empowering us all.

      by gulfgal98 on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 05:45:00 AM PDT

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      •  I agree with both you (1+ / 0-)
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        and Una. But I'm hoping that when this moves on from "the beginning" the topmost demand on the list is for private/corporate money to be barred from political campaigns and day-to-day political operations (disband K Street and the corporate legislation-writers). Something that needed to be done many years ago if where we are now was to have been forestalled.

        It was not. Thus we must force the issue in order to put government in the hands of the people for a change.

        •  If it was up to me my first demand would be (0+ / 0-)

          to get big money out of all our political campaigns.

          Much of everthing else flows from that.

          Still, IMHO, it is not up to the occupiers to do that.  They are sounding the clarion call.  It is up to us to make the demands.

          The United States is not just losing its capacity to do great things. It's losing its soul.--Bob Herbert. gulfgal98's corollary- We are fighting back to save our soul. Thank you, #OWS for empowering us all.

          by gulfgal98 on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 05:39:46 PM PDT

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      •  The info age makes us hungry (2+ / 0-)
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        for instant results and gratification.  I think it's also fear driven.  If we don't get it all out there perfectly crafted and right now, we'll miss the window of opportunity or something.  I think accepting the majority of the country as the 99% is a huge deal. That has to be allowed to sink in a bit.  The process can be a beautiful unfolding even if somewhat uncomfortable.

        •  excellent insight, K/Wa (0+ / 0-)

          we should give them the time and space for their excellent egalitarian process. and not try to force them into meeting a media news cycle (ugh)

          I belong to the “US” of America, not the “ME,$,ME,$,ME,$,ME,$” of America!

          by SeaTurtle on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 10:21:57 AM PDT

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        •  I agree too (0+ / 0-)

          The call for demands is actually one to try to limit them and suppress this revolution.

          I pray they will not give into that.  This movement is building and when we all have joined in, the demands will come from all of us.  

          These people at OWS are young, but they are so very smart and they ARE committed.  I love them all.

          The United States is not just losing its capacity to do great things. It's losing its soul.--Bob Herbert. gulfgal98's corollary- We are fighting back to save our soul. Thank you, #OWS for empowering us all.

          by gulfgal98 on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 05:42:46 PM PDT

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  •  G.O.P. = Greedy Oligarchs' Party is making (12+ / 0-)

    government dysfunctional. The financialized economy is increasingly dysfunctional for 99% of Americans.

    Gasoline made from the tar sands gives a Toyota Prius the same impact on climate as a Hummer using gasoline made from oil. ~ Al Gore

    by Lefty Coaster on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:31:16 PM PDT

  •  This is a really good diary (39+ / 0-)

    and I think you're hitting the nail on the head here about the difference between a simple protest, or even  a movement, and the creation of an entire new and coherent subculture that is taking ownership over their own existence in a new way. This is similar to what Gandhi did with his Satyagrahis, when they decided, to Hell with it, we'll go make our own clothes, spin our own wool. It's similar to what the Black Panthers did too in some ways, when they said, we aren't going to simply protest against how our communities have been mistreated, we're going to step up and treat them as we wish they HAD been treated. It's also much like the utopian movements of the 60's, when people just decided to not comply anymore.

    I see that potential in this as well. IF people can get beyond the simple legal basic direct action bits. There's an entire consciousness shift underneath waiting to be cracked open.

  •  "they're doing it all wrong" (31+ / 0-)

    i don't understand. if the critics know so much, why didn't they do it first?

    smash the chair, bust the needle !

    by stolen water on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:33:08 PM PDT

  •  Not Sure Who Diariat Means By "The Left" ? (7+ / 0-)

    I consider my self a leftist and support the actions so far.
    Perhaps a little more clarity from diarist would help.
    Good diary.

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    by frandor55 on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:48:29 PM PDT

  •  I'm overjoyed by this. (20+ / 0-)

    This is just getting started but already a generational change has occurred. This old fart still will be involved but this really is a shift, like what occurred in 1968.
    It will be interesting to see if the Democratic Party can adjust to this, if not, why not a Patriots 99% Party? Too early to tell.
    I sure hope this means the end of neo-liberal, DLC centrism  in the same way that the Civil Rights Movement flushed all the Southern Democrats out the Party.

  •  I feel dissension, not a good thing for a (1+ / 0-)
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    rebellion.  And if that dissension is felt among those on the left, imagine what it would be for the population at large relative to gaining the numbers needed to overtake the oligarchy.  Dissent is a characteristic of democracy, if we can't take dissent or criticism within our own ranks, what are we fighting for?

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    by BigAlinWashSt on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:59:47 PM PDT

  •  Rome wasn't built in a day (4+ / 0-)

    For now you can't say whether this is ineffective or not, because it is still growing.

    It hasn't had any effect yet.

    But, OWS has a higher media presence now than it did two weeks ago and it appears  far larger.

    If it continues to grow for the next few weeks it might start having effects or it might not depending on what it does and how it does it.

  •  what I see in these Occupy occupiers, is me and (15+ / 0-)

    everyone I know. What I see are our hopes and dreams reflected back at us. This is who we strive to be. When we see a wrong, we have to make it right. Have to. Not when we "feel" like but we jump right in and get dirty and do something about it. What I see is all the hard work we put in health care reform only to be denied what we should have gotten, universal healthcare. What I see is all the hard work we put in the get banking regulations reestablished only to have minimal requirements passed and even then, banking institutions actively trying to gut that little bit. What I see is all the hard work we put in to getting Gitmo closed only to see it still functioning. What I see is we the people demanding accountability only to be laughed at by the very same people we voted to get these things done. So when I look at these occupiers, I see us. Doing what we should have done a long time ago. Take the matter into our own hands. I hope to see people in Chicago because I am going to be there doing what I should have done to begin with. If they are going to ignore the phone calls, emails, letters, and office visits, maybe they will start to pay attention when we stop playing by their rules.  

    Earth: Mostly harmless ~ The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (revised entry)

    by yawnimawke on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 10:33:30 PM PDT

  •  I say... (18+ / 0-)

    I'm getting tired of all the whining about Occupy Wall Street protesters being "unclear" and having no "real demands". They have aired their grievances. There is plenty of precedent. See: The Declaration of Independence.
    Furthermore, these "children" are saying and doing what we've been too paralyzed or appalled or apathetic or lazy to say and do. It is THEIR world. They will be here long after the demise of us DFHs. They will be heard. I stand with them.

  •  Raaeposting an earlier comment of mine: (16+ / 0-)

    News for all the arm chair critics : Democracy is slow, messy and full of conflicts.  The real meaning behind the General Assembly is  it is an attempt (knowingly or unknowingly I think) to demonstrate what Democracy really is - active participation, and is of, by  and for the people and grassroots. Very crucial especially at a time when there is record distrust/disapproval of government - not in a
    teabagger sense - but because it is cold, distant, unrepresentative (in reality, though we vote) , out-of-touch, top down and impersonal. The movement may or not succeed but for sure at the end of it all, it will end up rekindling the imagination of millions and millions who feel powerless and show them that there is an alternative. Future protests will change for good.

    And to me another aspect is the peasants' globalization - where the people's revolts in the "lowly third world" Egypt & Tunisia inspires us - the peasants and the unwashed in the "greatest nation on earth". And a rag from Canada lights that tiny little spark to start what could become a wildfire here in the US.

    And all this is being done bypassing the traditional media. People power ! .

    Thank you Liberty Square protesters. You really gave me hope and you make me cry. A beautiful beautiful movement.

    NYT reader comment (via Susan Ohanian) : Arne Duncan great example of peter Principle. Failed in Chicago; then promoted so he could repeat failure on national scale.

    by Funkygal on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 10:35:21 PM PDT

    •  You see I got emotional and made typos. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      NYT reader comment (via Susan Ohanian) : Arne Duncan great example of peter Principle. Failed in Chicago; then promoted so he could repeat failure on national scale.

      by Funkygal on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 10:46:50 PM PDT

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    •  Reposting an earlier comment of mine too (3+ / 0-)
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      I hope you do not mind me doing so in response to your comment, but I believe the two comments go hand in hand.

      OWS has a clearly defined message.  The MSM and the establishment refuses to hear it. That is why they keep asking for a single demand. It gives them a target to shoot at which will distract from the greater message.  They want a leader to shoot at too.

      The Teapublicans and most of the Democrats are very oriented towards a vertical top down hierarchy.  Actual democracy is a foreign concept to them. That is why they have trouble understanding this movement.  It is lateral in its power structure, egaliterian, and altruistic.

      The United States is not just losing its capacity to do great things. It's losing its soul.--Bob Herbert. gulfgal98's corollary- We are fighting back to save our soul. Thank you, #OWS for empowering us all.

      by gulfgal98 on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 05:53:52 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks. No problem at all if you repeat anyhting (1+ / 0-)
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        to support the revolution a thousand and one times. We need to keep doing it again and again.

        NYT reader comment (via Susan Ohanian) : Arne Duncan great example of peter Principle. Failed in Chicago; then promoted so he could repeat failure on national scale.

        by Funkygal on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 01:35:02 PM PDT

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    •  Clarification, please? (1+ / 0-)
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      "And a rag from Canada lights that tiny little spark to start what could become a wildfire here in the US."

      Could you elaborate on that remark, please? Are you referring to some specific event?


  •  Some are genuinely confused by the protesters. (6+ / 0-)

    Maybe because they are of the view that street protests are so old-fashioned or something like that. And there are elites who have nothing but scorn :

    NYT reader comment (via Susan Ohanian) : Arne Duncan great example of peter Principle. Failed in Chicago; then promoted so he could repeat failure on national scale.

    by Funkygal on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 10:37:02 PM PDT

    •  Read Welsh's post. (0+ / 0-)

      And I completely agree with it. The elites are uncomfortable, and their scorn and disdain towards OWS is showing that. Keep putting the elites, oligarchs, and plutocrats on blast. They hate it, and that's when they'll show their true colors.

      The rule is, "don't be a dick" - kos

      by cybrestrike on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 11:23:01 AM PDT

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  •  OWS is exciting and new (8+ / 0-)

    The process evolving with the OWS movement is exciting, challenging, all inclusive and represents the 99%.

    Unlike many past movements, some with limited success, I hope the OWS resists the urging of many so-called thinkers to narrow it's focus. That just creates a plain "target" for those who would like to co-opt OWS to aim for and also allows some to write them off as some fringe group if they disagree.

    Their (OWS) strength is in their non-violent inclusiveness and makes it very hard not to agree that they clearly represent all of the 99%'ers.

    I for one will do anything I can to support them and help them grow...

    "Nowadays we are all of us so hard up, that the only pleasant things to pay, are compliments." -Oscar Wilde

    by MuskokaGord on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 10:48:06 PM PDT

  •  OWS - Ur doin' it right! (10+ / 0-)

    Love you all!

    Which side are you on?

    by wiseacre on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 11:28:57 PM PDT

  •  Thank god for this: (18+ / 0-)
    ... but what I do know is that the OWS movement is more than just a political protest.

    Because what OWS is addressing is a structural flaw in the entire American gestalt. It is far larger than what passes for two-party politics at the Federal level -- which is hopelessly corrupt and dysfunctional.

    And that may be where the confusion lies.

    Perhaps the "Democrats" think OWS has something to do with politics. When, indeed, politics are irrelevant and serve mainly as a distraction to any meaningful mind-meld of the people.

  •  There are so many ways (6+ / 0-)

    at moving toward social change that will be better for us working stiffs as well as helping people sustain in the hard times we are finding ourselves in.

    Work at it from what ever angle you is right for you. Much needs to be done.

    As far as the message if it's not perfectly clear I am sure it will get there. The point that people are getting p@ssed and ready to fight back is probably starting to register with those who really need to get it.

    A comment from a friend of mine this evening a kind of conservative guy.

    "Looks like the snow ball is starting to roll, wonder how big it's going to get?"

    It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

    by PSWaterspirit on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 11:45:18 PM PDT

  •  Why Should Anyone Try Our Way? (14+ / 0-)

    It hasn't worked.  We've had 3 years to do something about the bank bailouts.  We haven't done a darn thing.  

    We haven't even had a good protest.  Our Reps & Senators haven't done anything about banks or unemployment either.  

    OccupyWallStreet has been on the job l6 days.  They've stood up, they've been arrested, they're still standing & they're still protesting.    


  •  OWS IS proving to be a catlyst (21+ / 0-)

    and while I personally think that there are too many 'off message' groups associated with thing, it IS surprising me at how it has proven to be a spark igniting a larger fire.

    I think there  has been a huge level of frustration among MANY diverse groups who feel that our political system is broken - that BOTH parties have sold out to 'the 1%'.

    And interestingly I have heard similar sentiments from the full spectrum of incomes.  Family and friends that are barely getting by are fed up - while friends and neighbors that are doing far better than most are uncertain and worried, feeling that NOBODY really knows what they are doing, that EVERYONE is getting screwed (well except for the ultra wealthy).  Excepting a few die hard Republicans who will defend the status quo to the end people believe that financial firms have gotten away with murder, have made a total mess of things yet are not being held accountable in ANY way.

    There is a feeling that government cares ONLY about those at the top, the banks and Wall Street - and everyone else is suffering as a result.  Even those that HAVE savings have seen them devalued by a rollercoaster stock market and people are not fooled by government statistics that say inflation is low -they see otherwise when they go grocery shopping.  Yes, houses are cheaper to buy, buit lots of luck getting a mortgage - and for those that already OWN houses... well this is not viewed as a good thing.  The one thing homeowners DO see is that no matter how much less their house is worth, their property taxes NEVER go DOWN.

    The growing involvement of organized labor is adding some gravitas to this movement though the real strength may be coming from those that have NOBODY representing them.

    Ultimately there needs to be a message of SHARED SACRIFICE - that the 99% have given and given - heir actual blood at times, while the 1% do nothing but take.....

    A more coherent polished message pointing this out is needed, something that will reach those who remain skeptical.  

    But simply serving as a catalyst for the 99% who are fed up may be a great first step, one that has been lacking so far.....

    And being blunt - Obama's 'hope and change' has left many horribly disappointed - they're fed up with excuses, fed up with blame.  They're fed up with not really even TRYING, with an administration that has continued with 'more of the same' after promising real change.  

    The Democrats had better start realizing just how fed up people are.  Sure "The Republicans s are Worse" but that is not a message the electorate wants to hear.

  •  We were suprised, at least I was, when our (12+ / 0-)

    Wisconsin Democrats stood up for us here in Wisconsin. I guess that what happened was that in 2010 most of the moderate districts went to Republicans. Our Democrats were a lot further towards the "left" because they represent left leaning districts. Many people felt the national party let us down. Russ Feingold said in an interview that people needed to push for democracy.

    We have a progressive hero, named Bob LaFollette, who is nicknamed "Fighting Bob". There is a quote of his that says something about  being in a democracy means you have to fight for it, or you have something that is not a democracy.

    I never believed the stuff about you all not having a message. I think you have a good idea and I think the poster of the ballerina on the bull is pretty clear in an artistic way. She is fragile and beautiful, yet she is going to win- that is how i see it.

    We were lucky in Wisconsin because we had Ed Schultz, who being from the Midwest, understood the importance of the core value of collective bargaining being a right, that people's grandparents died fighting for. (sometimes overseas, sometimes in Milwaukee). He knew it wasn't just the paycuts, it was the value, an ideal of the people that was being attacked.

    No other media, except maybe some local stations and NPR (just locally) got to the core of what was making all the people turn out to try to get the politicians to change their minds.

    You guys are lucky too, in the sense that you will have the media paying attention to you sooner or later as your protests grow, even if it is social media, which I think might be more "watched" anyway. Certainly everyone under 26 uses twitter, etc. more than they read the newspaper or watch tv.

    Also, Cenk of the Young Turks was on your side from the beginning.

    •  What do you mean "you guys" + (9+ / 0-)

      You're the 99% too.

      There was a fracture in this country - perhaps best symbolized by the 1968 Democratic Convention - where bread-and-butter economic issues were split off from post-materialist (i.e. cultural issues). The day I heard the United Steelworker Union supported this movement, it occurred to me that maybe - at long last - that deadly rift has been healed. We've come to understand that all issues are economic issues because if 1% has all the money, they have all the power and therefore, you can't do anything about supposed non-economic issues either.

      So yes, unions aren't just about pay cuts. Without strong unions we end up here - with 1% controlling all of the money and the power. It really did do my heart good to hear the postal workers union and OWS protesters were chanting: “What’s disgusting? Union busting!”

      We are the 99%.

      Thousands of years ago the question was asked: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society. ~ Eugene V. Debs

      by PlutocracyFiles on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 01:11:17 AM PDT

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    •  I know that for me (here in WI) (3+ / 0-)
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      the cuts (both pay cuts & MA) and the contempt for hard-working public employees were what got me into the street -- but I didn't "get it" about the even-bigger-than-collective-bargaining larger picture for some weeks until I learned about ALEC, and read The Shock Doctrine.

      The conversation has changed since 100,000 Badgers boiled into the Capitol Square, and we helped make that happen.  We had a specific demand ("kill the bill") but it pointed toward bigger things, and people across the country are awakening to the need for something immense and radical, in the original meaning of getting to the root of things.

      I agree with PlutocracyFiles that we are part of the "you guys" here.

      If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

      by AnnieJo on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:59:06 AM PDT

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  •  The only "problem" I see is "messaging" (11+ / 0-)

    The attempt to draft a "Manifesto" to define the mission, a miserable "kitchen sink" thingy, is not going to impress the MSM and the Powers that Be (including those on the left). Personally, I think it is misguided to even try, that is playing the old tired game.

    The real message, LOUD and CLEAR, is the people in the street and their personal stories.

    99% says it all. That is the message. That is the manifesto.



    Can't help you on that here in China, just suggest, in my infinite wisdom, that a Big Character Poster (Chinese 大字报 or dàzìbào) works. We've been making them for at least 2,000 years and it's proven to work.


    I want to see an ocean of "99%" in the streets.

    Just do it, OK?

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 01:22:39 AM PDT

  •  We are the 99% is so effective, it is what it (12+ / 0-)

    should call itself - not occupy wall street.    Those four words are such an emotional, gut level appeal to fairness that even tea partiers get it.   Occupying Wall Street is what they are doing, it says nothing about why they are there.   That allows the reader to ascribe their own prejudices to the action.  We are the 99 percent couldn't have been done better if Frank Luntz had created it.  

    You won't find me criticizing this group for anything.  At least they put their keyboards down and showed up.  

    Yes we can, but he won't.

    by dkmich on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 02:30:44 AM PDT

  •  My Cynical View Of The Left In This Case (3+ / 0-)

    Is that there are a bunch of people who have worked their whole lives to get the kind of attention these OWS folks are getting and have fallen short. They think their way is the best way because it's gone through decades of committees, white papers, focus groups, polls, etc., and are, for lack of a better term, upset that this group is not doing it in this manner. I think more than anything else, they are upset that the OWS people aren't treating them as if they are important and instantly accepting them as leaders.

    This is a new movement that to me seems far more sincere and honest than all the slogans, puppet shows and performance art that I associate with demonstrations on the left. These folks are angry in the same way that millions of people across the country are angry. If they can tap into that anger and attract the average person to participate or at least support this movement then we have a real opportunity to affect change in this country.

    Honestly, I'm a little sick and tired of so-called leaders of any kind because I often see that they are more interested in feeding their egos as they are doing something. If I were to tell them that the change they want will happen but they will go unrecognized as having brought it about, will they say "OK"? I wonder.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:07:53 AM PDT

  •  Do not realease a list of demands! (9+ / 0-)

    The only reason they want a list of demands is so they can swat them down one by one with false facts and circular arguments. I want Wall St. reform! But there's a lot more than that. Corruption of DC by Wall St. $$ is a huge problem. We all know these things. Where's our single payer health care? Why does Monsanto get to ruin our food chain with their genetic crap and their hormones and their antibiotics? How come we can't fix our own roads and bridges, but we have endless piles of cash to waste in other countries, (where no oversight allows crooked corporations to pocket the money without doing the work?)

    If we were to make a list of demands, every crooked politician and RW pundit would be falling over the others to ridicule each and every one of them. This movement is for us, the 99%, who have been thrown into the ditch by the ruling class, the wealthiest and most powerful elite donors to the Washington lawmakers. Are you tired of corporate lobbyists writing the laws and then handing them to congress to be passed? Me too. Do we need private for profit schools getting money from the public school funds? This sucks. I am the 99%. We are finally awakened.  

    Things are more the way they are today than they ever were before. -Jimmy Flynn

    by onionjim on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:41:43 AM PDT

  •  Anything that gets the message out (3+ / 0-)
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    that this country is being ass-raped by corporations and the rich should be considered successful. This is the facts, and strictly the facts. The social contract has been broken since Reagan.

    Conservatism = greed, hate, fear and ignorance

    by Joe B on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 03:51:02 AM PDT

  •  The protest is in the tuning stage...... (10+ / 0-)

    the chairs aren't even all set up yet and somebody is rolling out the tympani and somebody is replacing an E string while a tuba goes through some scales.....

    I heard the Morning Joke crew spewing this morning. Barnicle says people should be in Washington. Odd that these so called media fat cats can't be arsed to find out that Washington is on the schedule as are 65+ other cities. And they are either pretending or don't know that Occupy[s] are forming like motherships in "Independence Day" all over the country and all over the planet.

    We can't all occupy Wall Street. We have other locations on which to put pressure.  

    It'll happen. The best thing so far is the MSM is being shown to be the lying ass BS operations they really are. Maybe that should be part of the demands.....bring back actual news and journalism......

  •  A Fight for the soul of our nation (4+ / 0-)

    That says it all to me.  I don't need a laundry list of demands nor do I need a laundry list of policies.  What I am looking for is a "fight" for a different set of values. We need values based on partnership.  OWS gets it!

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 05:57:38 AM PDT

  •  Occupy NOLA to march Oct. 6th: (7+ / 0-)

    I participated in an Occupy NOLA (New Orleans) meeting yesterday that lasted for 4 hours. My first time working with other folks in a consensus process. We decided on this:

    Using the process of consensus and meeting for several hours Sunday, Occupy NOLA has decided on a solidarity action with other nationwide actions on Thursday, October 6th, by addressing and confronting, peacefully, the repressive, abusive and corrupt criminal justice system in New Orleans. We will begin a March for social transformation at Tulane and Broad, 12 Noon, October 6th. We will march to Lafayette Square for a rally, then to Duncan Plaza.

    Louisiana has the highest rate of imprisonment in the United States. Orleans Parish has double the national imprisonment rate. I support the decision to protest the criminally unjust, criminal justice system that is a school to prison pipeline in this city and state. The prison system is the underbelly of the capitalist system that utilizes the imprisonment of so many as a means of exploitation for profit, and social control. In addition, we will stop at points along the way that are significant areas of struggle, including Lower Mid City and Charity Hospital. I would like to see us stop at One Shell Square, although it wasn't brought up yesterday.

    Please join us and forward widely. Visit Occupy NOLA on facebook for additional info. This is our beginning in solidarity with other groups around the country and actions in D.C., New York and elsewhere.

    Occupy NOLA Solidarity March

    Tulane and Broad St. to Lafayette Square, then to Duncan Plaza

    Confront (Peacefully) the Orleans Parish Criminally Unjust, Criminal Justice System

    Thursday, October 6th, at 12 Noon

    For additional info: Occupy NOLA on Facebook

  •  I went down there on Saturday (5+ / 0-)

    I was down there for a few hours on Saturday and I have to say it was awesome.  I took a friend who on an extended visit here from Qingdao, China with me.  He'd heard about protests in Hong Kong but had never seen one in person before.  We ended up joining the march, but separated from it when they got to the Brooklyn Bridge (luckily for us, as police started making arrests shortly thereafter).  He took tons of video with his cellphone and I suspect he'll remember that experience for the rest of his life. :-)  I myself took at least a hundred photos but have had time to process them all yet.  I'll post them online and post a photo diary here as soon as I can.

  •  Rosa Luxemburg (0+ / 0-)

    Wrote extensively on phenomena like Occupy Wall Street. She called them mass strikes.

    We cannot win a war crime - Dancewater, July 27, 2008

    by unclejohn on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 09:28:49 AM PDT

  •  I'm way less cynical than most here (0+ / 0-)

    in matters concerning President Obama.  Who at this point in the game would even get close to being president without huge financial backing?  I'm not saying I think it's a good thing.

    On the other hand Obama's very uncynical call for everyone to "pick up a mop" is exactly how I see this movement.  People started to think about "Hope" as something that just happens and is some sort of magic bullet.  You don't get hope out of thin air.  Hope comes from hard work and starting to see that what you are working for is starting to make a difference and it spurs you on to doing more.

    Last night I watched most of Ken Burn's PBS special on Prohibition, episode 1.  It was very informative regarding the roots of political action in the United States.  Some very surprising coalitions were formed during the movement.  It was a very focused campaign that cut to the core of deep fears in people.  Of course they didn't imagine the crime and violence that resulted.

    Side Note:  The federal government made a lot of money off of alcohol sales (1/3 of revenue) , cleverly the prohibitionists created the income tax and abolished the need for government to support the sale of alcohol.  The fundamentalists/tea drinkers nearly created the income tax!!!!  People who self-itentified as Progressives were supportive of prohibition in general.  It was fascinating!  Check it out!

  •  "80% of success is just showing up" W. Allen (0+ / 0-)

    OWS is a huge success...99% are showing up...more of that 99% will join in as this spreads.

  •  So well said (0+ / 0-)
    ..but on a deeper level, this is about our right as Americans, and moreover, our right as humans, to live lives of purpose, and meaning.

    I don't wear my heart on my sleeve, but my eyes have been tearing up on almost a regular basis the past few days when watching these clips.

    Maybe, just maybe - We really are the ones we've been waiting for.

    May the poetry of your life never be beaten into mere prose.

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 10:13:55 AM PDT

  •  This Is Not A Hostage Situation It Is A Revolution (0+ / 0-)

    I keep hearing how the demonstrators in what is called OccupyWallStreet, OccupyTogether, the 99% Movement and other names need to be clear on their DEMANDS. The critics seem to be extremely uncomfortable with the “leaderless” aspect of the movement and they keep asking for spokespeople to step up. I keep noticing that the majority of the people making this criticism tend to be older than the majority of the people actually demonstrating. This is not a slam on Baby Boomers or other generations, but there does seem to be a generational element to these criticisms.

    This movement is not a hostage situation or a momentary inconvenience for the cities experiencing these demonstrations. There are no DEMANDS. This is a NON-VIOLENT REVOLUTION. This is an ever growing group of people across the nation who are awakening to the situation we face; that situation is one of OLIGARCHY. The goal of the movement is to unseat the OLIGARCHY, NON-VIOLENTLY. The situation of OLIGARCHY is no longer tenable. Our political, financial, business, media and civic institutions have been captured. Our DEMOCRACY has been subverted and and our CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC has been completely CORRUPTED. There is no RIGHT/LEFT dichotomy. There is only the usurpation of all power and wealth by a very tiny minority to the detriment of 99% of the population. Both mainstream political parties have been corrupted. 2008 tough us that the system no longer responds to the will of the people. This is not a surprise to almost anyone.

    The mostly older people who are asking for specifics and “demands” are directly or inadvertently limiting and therefore harming the movement. In the ’60s small groups of protesters would announce their intention to occupy various buildings and areas and they would immediately issue “demands”. Many of these protests were inherently ego-centric. This was not the case with all of the demonstrations during that period, but many followed that pattern. There is no one personality or group of personalities at the heart of this movement. This is EVOLUTION in action, and it is GLOBAL.

    What the 99% Movement is seeking is a fundamental CHANGE in the system. The end of OLIGARCHY and the resurgence and imposition of DEMOCRACY. This is an inherently REVOLUTIONARY/EVOLUTIONARY step. It is centering on Wall Street and the financial system because our economic system is no longer viable. Infinite growth in a finite system is not and never has been possible. In the past this was not as apparent because we had not reached the limits of the natural world. Now we are increasingly bumping up against the ECOLOGY and we are now seriously damaging its viability and therefore our own. The very economic structure of our society has to CHANGE or we are in jeopardy of EXTINCTION.

    These GOALS are too big for the traditional institutions to process. They see these GOALS as unfocused and unclear because they are simply too big for them to contemplate and the attainment of these GOALS would mean the END of these institutions. Therefore they are blind.


    This is a NON-VIOLENT MOVEMENT follow this link to learn more about NON_VIOLENT strategy and techniques.
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    "Politics is the art of controlling your environment." - HST

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