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According to the Hill:

Democrats who will vote no or are leaning no include Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Jon Tester (Mont.) and Ben Nelson (Neb.), who all hail from red states and are up for reelection next year.

And there are others...

I get real torn up over the problem of "more Democrats" versus "better Democrats."

These Senators know that they are wrong in voting against the bill. But re-election is more important to them. As far as I am concerned thye should all face a primary. Let the Democratic grass roots in their state decide what should be done with these turncoats.

This is why I don't contribute to any Democratic organization; because sure as S$%^t I'll read they forked it over to asholes like this.

I hope to god that Obama goes to their states and jumps all over their heads. 16% unemployment and these dickheads ae going to spit on the President and millions of unemployed. Make them explain to their constituents why they don't want to create jobs.

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  •  Tip Jar (15+ / 0-)

    Hey dumb dumbs, if tax cuts created jobs, we would have so many jobs that we would glady let the illegals come in.

    by hkorens on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 06:37:10 PM PDT

  •  Can't stand 'punk' democrats (0+ / 0-)
  •  You get torn up? (6+ / 0-)
    I get real torn up over the problem of "more Democrats" versus "better Democrats."

    Why?  The two party system is the problem not the solution.  As long as the plutocrats can keep you "getting torn up" over this stuff you will not bother them.

    On the other hand it looks like lots of folk are no longer spending their time being "torn up".  They are out in the streets becoming part of the solution.

    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 06:44:23 PM PDT

  •  So after Nelson delivers a shitty bill (9+ / 0-)

    or even completely blocks Obama's make believe jobs bill, will the Obama controlled DNC give Nelson another $500k thank you media buy?

  •  Three more reasons for #OccupyWallStreet nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  well Nebraska's unemployment is very low so (1+ / 0-)
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    Carnet

    Nelson feels he can vote "no".

    Republicans only care about themselves, their money, & their power.

    by jdmorg on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 06:59:07 PM PDT

  •  had such high hopes for Tester (4+ / 0-)
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    but, after his anti-Brown People vote and now this, looks like another Ben Nelson in the making.

    •  And if you really want a laugh (0+ / 0-)

      call his office and ask why he is voting against the bill. You will hear a large load of nonsense and bullshit. He can't even come up with a halfway excuse.

      Hey dumb dumbs, if tax cuts created jobs, we would have so many jobs that we would glady let the illegals come in.

      by hkorens on Tue Oct 11, 2011 at 01:24:17 PM PDT

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  •  I worked on the Hill for 8 years... (4+ / 0-)
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    and I used to become anywhere from frustrated to infuriated at the DINOs. (One of whom ended up being my boss in a committee shuffle, but that's for another thread.)

    Anyway, I had a grizzled staff director who was every bit as good a Democrat as I, but he didn't get as apoplectic about their spinelessness as I did.

    Though he hated their spinelessness as well, when election time rolled around he would say, "they'll vote to organize."

    By that he meant, on balance, it's better to have someone you can't depend on that helps keep you in the majority than someone who is on the other side 100 percent of the time helping to keep you in the minority.

    It sucks to be sure. But the question you have to ask is would you prefer they not be around and be in the minority?

    I respect both views on this.

    •  That's ultimately the answer to why (5+ / 0-)

      'more' does matter, too: the legislation has to come to the floor somehow.

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 07:37:40 PM PDT

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      •  A pragmatic acceptance of a fatally flawed (1+ / 0-)
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        ...system, no?

        Rather like hiding a turd in a glass of milk.


        "The tree of Capitalism must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of hippies."

        by Pluto on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 11:23:45 PM PDT

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        •  In what sense? (0+ / 0-)

          That the majority party would control the flow of legislation doesn't strike me as a fatal flaw; if there were more parties it'd work the same way with the majority coalition.  Of all the things one could complain about in terms of what's wrong with the system we have, I don't see that as being one of them, necessarily.  Or maybe I'm minsunderstanding you?

          Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

          by pico on Tue Oct 11, 2011 at 02:27:05 PM PDT

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  •  I guess you didn't realize that Obama is one of (3+ / 0-)
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    the "more" Democrats and not one of the "better" Democrats.

    They will vote against his plan and he will end up campaigning for them during the election like he did for Lieberman.

  •  Obama is very unpopular in these states. (0+ / 0-)
  •  I don't understand this: (5+ / 0-)
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    Democrats make a proposal that will vastly improve the lives of their constituents. These conservadems vote against it to show that they are really truly Republicans who don't give a shit about the people they represent. And this works why? In fact, as we saw in Ohio last year, it doesn't — our two Blue Dogs and our fence-sitters got wiped out. Equivocating about healthcare in the districts with the most uninsured in the state did not save Charlie Wilson and Zack Space. All our progressives are still in Congress. Tester, Manchin and Nelson should vote to HELP their constituents (a friend of mine lived in Montana and longs for it but left because THERE ARE NO JOBS THERE) and learn how to deliver a clear, focused message about what they are doing.

    Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

    by anastasia p on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 08:29:59 PM PDT

    •  You're not thinking realistically (1+ / 0-)
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      You're looking at it too rosily. It's not going to "vastly improve" people's lives, and these senators could be worse off if they vote for it.

      The economy is projected to be weak for several more years. It will still be weak even if this passes. These Senators are making a calculation that the bill will not make a visible difference in anyone's life, which, let's be honest, is a likely scenario. It's going to be completely swallowed up by the weak economy.

      The ARRA was decent policy, remember, but it was completely swallowed up by the recession. Few voters felt any visible improvement from it. So it was easy for the GOP to say it did nothing except create debt, or it was a "union thug bailout" or whatever.

      More importantly, there's the small matter of the fact that it won't pass the House, period. If these senators vote for the bill, and it fails in the House, the GOP gets a win because there will be no positive evidence of the bill working. They can call it "another Stimulus", a boondoggle, union thug bailout, whatever. They can call it anything and the Democratic Senators have no response but to shrug and say "well, economists say it would've helped" which isn't going to convince red-state independents.

      In a red state, where Obama's policy has been fiercely unpopular, voting to continue Obama's policy without actually producing any good effects is the worst of both worlds.

      The best of both worlds is if they vote "no" (so they can't be attacked for it by the GOP opponent) and the economy gets better (so voters are happier with the incumbent). The worst of both worlds is voting "yes" (so they can be attacked for it) and the economy stays shitty (so voters are pissed at them).

      "Only idiots believe the earth is getting warmer. Besides, they've proven it's only getting warmer because of sunspots."

      by Carnet on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 09:24:58 PM PDT

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  •  Unemployment is low in MO and NE. (1+ / 0-)
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    While the Jobs bill may be good for the country it will not do much for these states directly.  

    Yes, primary them, if they represent themselves as Democrats but don't act as Democrats have them face a primary against a real Democrat.  Give primary voters the choice of a real Democrat.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 09:33:38 PM PDT

  •  Ummm... (0+ / 0-)
    These Senators know that they are wrong in voting against the bill. But re-election is more important to them.

    Are they not representing the attitudes of their constituents?

    (Although I do believe the Senate is held to a different standard....)


    "The tree of Capitalism must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of hippies."

    by Pluto on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 11:15:00 PM PDT

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