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Nine of the animals at the Freak Show.

As someone who has spent their life around electoral politics I am often amazed at what a freak show the Republican Party has turned into. Just this week we have a top tier candidate talking about Britherism, we have another releasing a campaign video with their own version of the “X-Files” Smoking Man, and we have the man pitching austerity and the end of Medicaid making a speech bemoaning the Presidents non-existent austerity plan.

It is not just the candidates or elected officials either; the Republican base has booed a gay service member, cheered the number of executions (including at least one where there was strong evidence that the man had not committed the crime) and cheered the idea of letting someone die if they did not have health insurance.

This situation has become so bad that in the last 24 hours Establishment Republicans like Pat Robertson and Jeb Bush have come out to criticize the actions of and words of those vying for their party’s nomination.

It is not like the “sane” choice is a whole lot better. After all Mitt Romney is so craven that when he goes to a phone bank making calls in support of Ohio Gov. Kasich’s union-busting bill he can’t even say out loud that he supports that effort. While he is at a phone bank for the effort!

The question that is keeping me up at night though is, can a freak show like this win?

It shouldn’t be able to. However I worry that the American voting public is so twisted around about what reality is that they very well might vote someone from this goat-rodeo into office. After all, they were willing to vote the Republicans into the majority in the House, even though there was exactly no indication that they would do the kind of things that would get the economy going.

The fact that they have introduced nearly 1,000 bills on such vital issues as abortion, tax breaks for the wealthy and repealing regulations that were put in place in response to the economic melt down yet have not proposed nor voted on a single jobs bill in the House seems to be completely missed.

Normally this kind of thing would preclude any party from having a chance in hell of winning but these are not normal times. There is a huge amount of money from folks like the Koch Brothers and Karl Rove and others that will pour like a raging river into this election cycle.

There is virtually no standard for telling the truth in the ads this money will buy. But it is not just the ads. There are also the willing minions at places like Fox “News” and on Talk Radio that have even lower standards and are well versed at just making up anything they want in order to slime their ideological opponents.

Even though this is known, it is protected by the idea that both sides do it. When we on the Left point out that insanity and freakishness of the Republicans, it is just shrugged off as tit-for-tat mud slinging.

I have gone back and forth on how to get around this problem and I think that there is nothing for it but to keep going. If we don’t challenge the insanity of their policy, if we don’t point out the very real weakness of their candidates, then we have agreed that they are viable and acceptable.

The good news, such as it is, is that the public is fed up with Congress. The thing that can save this is to make sure that we hang the problems of the nation on around the necks of the ridiculous Republicans; after all it is their fault.

So here is to the freak show, we’ll be talking about it and showing it to the world for the next 13 months.

The floor is yours.

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  •  Bush 2001 - 2009 (38+ / 0-)

    Total goddamned freak show.

    I will ALWAYS believe Diebold was in play - I cannot be convinced otherwise, so don't start on me. I will simply tune you out.

    I do not think any of the CURRENT GOP contenders are going to do anything but waste money that could have actially helped people - I think Obama is cruising to another term simply due to blight on the gop side. They have nobody.

    I seriously doubt republicans win the presidency in the coming election 13 months from now.

    It's POSSIBLE but not PROBABLE given the deep commitment to fucking insanity they have.

    Of course there is hope for them, Diebold is still around.

    •  You're right, xxdr (13+ / 0-)

      It depends upon how many votes the Repugs are allowed steal this time. It's not just Diebold. It's also the new, strict voter registration and identification requirement laws in so many states, of which the Obama Administration has completely ignored to date.

      It also depends on how much Obama continues to govern based upon failed Republican policies and theories. At some point the "lesser of two evils" argument no longer works. Finally, he had better NOT be seen behind the shutting down of the National Occupy Movement (via operatives and cronies like Rahm Emanuel).  

    •  November 2010 Consistently Polled As It Turned Out (15+ / 0-)

      and as many of us were warning here for 18 months ahead of time. African American turnout dropped 40% for example, youth even more.

      When we offer the people 2 conservative parties, we get a conservative majority turnout.

      That's arithmetic not computer science.

      --Not that the vote can't also be rigged; I'm an ex programmer and I could do it in 3 lines of code. But unlike 2000 and 2004 these days it mostly no longer needs to.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:03:41 AM PDT

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      •  Did AA & youth turnout drop below typical (7+ / 0-)

        mid term levels?

        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:09:59 AM PDT

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        •  Good question, (1+ / 0-)
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          northsylvania

          but shouldn't turnout have been higher than typical mid-term level considering the momentum gained during Obama's election?

        •  NO. (3+ / 0-)
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          From a diary I wrote after the 2010 Election:

          Was turnout low among young people?  In 2006 it was 12% of the electorate (2006 was a good year for Democrats).  This year it was 11%, not really statistically different.  Turnout was way down over 2008 (it was 18%) but turnout in that group always goes down in off year elections.  Moreover, turnout in that group was large enough to yield large gains in 2006.
          By the way: in 2004youth turnout was 17%.

          I don't remember anyone talking about the decline in youth vote here in 2006.

          The African American vote was 10% in 2006, and it was 10% in 2010. It was 11% in 2004.  I wonder why it went down from 2008?


          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

          by fladem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:47:08 AM PDT

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      •  I have two kids who make up that youth vote (11+ / 0-)

        you're talking about.  The oldest tells me why bother, both sides are talking about cutting SS and Medicare, health care costs are rising, and thank god I'm healthy.  What's the point.  The youngest thinks it's obscene that it will take a $1 Billion to re-elect Obama, and where in all that money do our voices get heard.  He thinks they're all bought and paid for crooks.  My only argument is the alternative would be worse, but it falls on deaf ears.  And how far off the mark are they when I see for myself what has happened to the Democratic Party and the Senators and Reps who protect the monied interests?  I don't have good answers for them.

        "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

        by AnnieR on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:45:25 AM PDT

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        •  Show them this. (14+ / 0-)
          At a press briefing Tuesday afternoon, Melody Barnes, director of the Domestic Policy Council, said the president would use his executive authority to expand the existing income-based repayment program with a “Pay as You Earn” option that would allow graduates to pay 10 percent of their discretionary income for 20 years and have the rest of their federal student loan debt forgiven. That plan would start next year.

          http://www.nytimes.com/...

          Tell them student loans have already been made cheaper by Obama and the Dems over GOP opposition (it was in the stimulus plan)--the GOP wanted to continue to route the loans through private banks, who would skim a % as profit.

          "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

          by HeyMikey on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:07:16 AM PDT

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          •  That's a good start - thank you. (4+ / 0-)
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            "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

            by AnnieR on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:09:58 AM PDT

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            •  Then remind them about healthcare... (0+ / 0-)

              ...that thanks to Dem healthcare reform, over GOP opposition, they can stay on your healthcare plan till they're 26.

              And that, if Obama gets re-elected, come 1/1/14 they'll be able to choose from a wide range of health plans at group rates, via the exchanges; and if they're low-income, they'll get a subsidy. Which is great if their employer doesn't offer a health plan, or if one of your kids should want to start a business, or simply become, you know...unemployed. All of that passed by Dems over GOP opposition. And if Obama loses next year, it will be repealed. Because it's pretty much a given that the GOP is gonna hold the House and take the Senate next year, which means they're gonna pass a repeal measure, which Obama will veto but a GOP Pres would sign.

              "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

              by HeyMikey on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 02:39:35 PM PDT

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        •  Same with my son (3+ / 0-)
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          who voted the first time in 2008 for Obama.He says he will never vote again, because it is all the same.

          "Make it so", Jean-Luc Picard, captain of the Enterprise.

          by brainyblond on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:10:42 AM PDT

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        •  Do they have a diverse group of friends? (9+ / 0-)

          You might ask them about support of equal rights for all Americans.  Are they religious?  You might ask them if they are comfortable with a government run by fundamentalist Christians?  Are they willing to give up access to birth control?  The economic issues are bad enough, but that is just one dimension to the GOP freak show.  And you might remind them, that being healthy now is not guarantee that they will not have and accident or health issue in the future.  Ask them if they would be willing to support you when you get too old to work if the GOP kills Social Security and Medicare.

          “when Democrats don’t vote, Democrats don’t win.” Alan Grayson

          by ahumbleopinion on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:43:42 AM PDT

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        •  Which tells me (1+ / 0-)
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          that they're listening to the left-wing navel gazers, who blow everything into CATASTROPHIC WTFOMGBBQ! SKYISFALLING idiocy for the sake of their ratings.

          If your children think the Dems and Reps are the same on Medicare, then please correct them.

      •  As has been dairied (3+ / 0-)
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        the 2010 dropoffs were almost identical to the dropoffs from 2004 to 2006.

        The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

        by fladem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:45:02 AM PDT

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      •  Bingo... (2+ / 0-)
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        We have a pro-corporate, pro-Wall Street, pro-tax cut, pro-deregulation and pro-fossil fuel party that is funded by corporations for the benefit of the 1%.  And then we have the bat-shit insane Republican Party.  Don't blame overworked, undereducated Americans if they can't tell the difference.

        The 'Free Market' will decide. It will decide that the United States cannot consume 25% of the world's resources and the upper 1% cannot control 50% of the wealth.

        by RichM on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:27:08 AM PDT

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      •  Yup. Thanks, Gooserock, for the usual false (0+ / 0-)

        equivalence.  We aren't offering the people "2 conservative parties" obviously.  If we were, there would be bills racing through Congress to Obama's desk that gut Social Security, destroy unions and decimate Medicare and Medicaid.  See Wisconsin for REPUBLICANS totally turning that state into a fascist nightmare.

        Stop with repeating the obviously FALSE EQUIVALENCE argument.  It's total bullshit.

        Best. President. Ever.

        by Little Lulu on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:37:20 AM PDT

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    •  Diebold and new laws keeping people from (6+ / 0-)

      the voting booths.  The message we need to send loud and clear, and hope it resonates, is that this is all they have.  Nothing to help us, just ways in which to help them win.  As Chris Matthews said the other night about the whole lot of them, they're contemptible.  But as long as Fox News and hate radio don't tell the truth about just how contemptible the GOP has become, there's a large segment of the population that remains clueless.

      "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

      by AnnieR on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:29:56 AM PDT

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    •  Neither are on my side. (1+ / 0-)
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      I do not think any of the CURRENT GOP contenders are going to do anything but waste money that could have actially helped people - I think Obama is cruising to another term simply due to blight on the gop side. They have nobody.

      As far as I can see, I have a choice between the guy that shoots me in the chest or the guy that stabs me in the back.  

      Neither is on my side and so I have no choice for representation.

      •  But you do have a choice of which is worse (4+ / 0-)

        which is what people have been saying about presidents off and on since we founded this nation.

        Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

        by Something the Dog Said on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:26:54 AM PDT

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      •  Seriously, Jagger, please list ANYTHING this (2+ / 0-)
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        president has done to personally stab YOU in the back.

        List just ONE THING.

        Please.  'Cause I can list 5 HUGE things he's done to help ME personally, since taking office:

        He saved the life of my friend's son by bringing him home from Iraq two years ago after three-re-ups.

        He saved my family's very small business with his stimulus bill.

        He restored the jobs of our employees who we've rehired after having to let them go in 2009.

        He provided our employees with affordable health insurance under their parents' policies because they're all under 26 years of age.

        He provided jobs for public workers who are rebuilding our roads and bridges and freeways in L.A., saving wear and tear on our family cars and time on our commutes.

        He provided my husband and I with affordable health insurance, covering our preventative care with no co-pay and no limit on our coverage.

        And those are just the first 5 HUGE things I can list off the top of my head.

        Again, how EXACTLY has President Obama stabbed YOU in the back?  And please don't say Bradley Manning.  That's just a talking point and I've heard it all before.

        Best. President. Ever.

        by Little Lulu on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:46:18 AM PDT

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    •  I am concerned that you are underestimating (1+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell

      the ability of corporate media to present the radical proposals of the far right wing as being reasonable and the level of disappointment with Obama among his constituency. If 2010 is any indication, we may just be in for another wild ride.

      •  GIGO is the MSM's paradigm (12+ / 0-)

        This morning's NPR example;
        Headlined with the Perry "economic plan" which was immediately asserted to "jump start the economy AND reduce the federal deficit".
        The story then went on to describe the awesomeness of various flat tax ideas from the goats in the rodeo, though there was some skepticism of the idea that everyone wins in Perry's dreamworld because the flat tax rate would be optional (gimmeafuckingbreak). The piece ended with a glib assessment of Perry's fortunes based on this big product rollout.

        now what's missing from this piece, based on the opening?
        Yup, the deficit reduction claim. By any measure, cutting taxes for everyone, eliminating capital gains taxes entirely, and drastically reducing corporate taxes is a massive hit to the deficit. no mention was made of this glaring flaw, nor was any mention made of the plan to gut Medicare and Soc sec.
        There is simply no way for an uniformed listener to gain any understanding of actual fact from this piece. It starts with an assertion, wanders through a thin veneer of recent history sans any context or track record, and then goes for the big finish with horserace schtick. It never examines the assertion, merely hopes the listener will forget what was just said.
        This is the norm, now.

        Garbage In, Garbage Out.

        I have lately become convinced that this is the express outcome desired by corporate media; a confused, disinterested, and disinformed populace. The "mistakes" and "omissions" are too much of a pattern; it cannot be satisfactorily dismissed as laziness as Jon Stewart still seems to believe. Anyone with a few clues and an inquiring mind is sure to come to conclusions that are against the corporate interest, and that is not acceptable.

        Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

        by kamarvt on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:08:08 AM PDT

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  •  Yes. (7+ / 0-)

    Next question?

    We do not forgive. We do not forget. The whole world is watching.

    by Tracker on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:19:56 AM PDT

  •  I was just having this conversation with (30+ / 0-)

    my sister this morning.  She lives in central Florida, and as you know, they elected Rick Scott as governor. I find talking to her is a more reliable gauge of conservative  thought than listening to the people around me in New York State. She says that the people who work with her--about 50% Republicans--have no enthusiasm for any of the GOP candidates.  It is her strong sense that if Romney is the nominee, when people get into the voting booth, they won't pull the lever for him because he's a Mormon.  If Cain is the nominee, they won't vote for him because he's black.  She gets the sense that the die-hard Republicans she knows would likely leave the top of the ticket blank, rather than choose either Obama or any of these nominees.

    Thinking that anyone in this field might actually get elected gives me ulcers.  This would mean there'd be a coattail effect, and we'd have not only one of these losers, but probably a GOP congress.  How much more damage can the country sustain?

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:21:53 AM PDT

    •  I can't believe that is going to be our hope. (14+ / 0-)

      But the nominee is not going to be Herman Cain. It just is not going to happen.

      Right now I see it as Romney all the way. But as I said, I don't think he is any better.

      Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

      by Something the Dog Said on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:31:03 AM PDT

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      •  Romney can't "close the deal" (5+ / 0-)

        He's polling at 40% in New Hampshire - about where he was in the 2008 cycle before McCain's charge. So the question in my mind is not IF there will be a NH charge by someone, but WHO.

        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:38:05 AM PDT

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        •  But there is no one else. I know the CW says (4+ / 0-)
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          he won't be but I have 3 bets otherwise already and I rarely lose on political bets.

          Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

          by Something the Dog Said on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:06:49 AM PDT

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          •  There are LOTS of someone elses (3+ / 0-)
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            Why on earth do you think the Republicans have to nominate someone who makes sense to you?

            In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

            by blue aardvark on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:08:40 AM PDT

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            •  But there aren't. The field is set and the (4+ / 0-)
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              Republican money people are not going to get behind a nit wit. They know as well that someone like Santorum or Cain or Bachmann would mean a 50 state route.

              Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

              by Something the Dog Said on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:27:15 AM PDT

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              •  And that means that a Santorum or Cain (4+ / 0-)
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                or Bachmann would have to wage a guerrilla campaign similar to the Huckabee campaign.

                Perry or Gingrich, though, can probably tap big money. Perry has $15M in the bank; Newt is acceptable to the monied classes. And Gingrich is the only one of the three who can hope to survive a debate with Obama.

                In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

                by blue aardvark on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:40:00 AM PDT

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                •  You'll notice that Huckabee only won Iowa (0+ / 0-)

                  and that would be the same for any of the ones I mentioned. But winning Iowa is no guarantee of the nomination, in fact most Republicans who win Iowa don't go on to get the nomination.

                  Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

                  by Something the Dog Said on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:41:44 AM PDT

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                  •  Huckabee won (per Wikipedia): (4+ / 0-)

                    Iowa
                    Kansas
                    Arkansas
                    Louisiana
                    West Virginia
                    Tennessee
                    Alabama
                    Georgia

                    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

                    by blue aardvark on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:47:41 AM PDT

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                    •  My bad! But still could not get the nomination (3+ / 0-)
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                      is still a valid point.

                      Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

                      by Something the Dog Said on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:58:17 AM PDT

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                      •  So the question for a 2nd-tier candidate (0+ / 0-)

                        is if they can do better than Huckabee. Given that 2012 is quite a bit more insane than 2008, I think that yes they can.

                        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

                        by blue aardvark on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:05:39 AM PDT

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                        •  (1) Nominee. (2) General election. (2+ / 0-)

                          (1) Nominee. The GOP nominee will be Romney or...Huntsman. I'm not kidding. All the others are crazies or frauds and will, as each gets his or her turn in the spotlight, expose him or herself as a loon. The last loon standing will face off against the remaining Calm White Guy (Romney or Huntsman), who will defeat the loon and win the nomination.

                          Huntsman's dad is a billionaire, so he can afford to keep his campaign going, waiting for each loon to take his or her turn at hara-kiri. His goal in this period is simply not to look like a loon himself. Since he's not a loon, this is doable. Then his plan to defeat Romney is to say he's a flip-flopper with no core principles. Since that's absolutely true, that plan is also doable. The CW is that the GOP wants a Romney alternative. Huntsman plans to be it, by process of slow elimination. I think he really could be.

                          (2) General election. If the economy improves or even just muddles along, Obama will win. If the economy gets worse, the GOP nominee will win...even if that should be one of the loons. It's that simple.

                          "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

                          by HeyMikey on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:18:36 AM PDT

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                          •  Bad economy doesn't guarantee Obama loss (1+ / 0-)
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                            Not against Cain, for example.  It might be close with Perry.  Romney might be a lock against Obama in a bad economy.  
                            '
                            But, the economy would have to fall off a cliff to give any other GOP candidates a chance.  And frankly, if it does fall off a cliff, I'm not sure a GOP president would be the biggest of our worries.

                          •  Nov. 2010 says you're wrong. (0+ / 0-)

                            I know, Obama wasn't on the ticket in 2010, so African-American turnout will be higher next year. But November 2010 wasn't even close; it was a blowout. And the GOP nationwide is furiously passing vote "fraud prevention" measures that will disenfranchise a small but significant % of the poor, especially minorities. (Low income > more frequent change of address > more likely to run afoul of voter-registration technicalities. Low income > less likely to own a car > less likely to have a driver's license, which is the most common photo ID.)

                            If the economy turns down, and we have an electorate even approximately resembling that of November 2010, Obama is a goner.

                            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

                            by HeyMikey on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 02:45:02 PM PDT

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                    •  West Virginia (0+ / 0-)

                      Some political junkie background ...

                      In 2008, they allocated their delegates via a State Convention, winner-take-all for he who got over 50% with multiple ballots, like the national convention. Mitts came in first with something in the low 40's on the first round, so McCain threw his delegates in with Huck to get him over 50%. Huck didn't "come in first" himself.

                •  I thought about that looking at numbers last (3+ / 0-)
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                  night on the Ed show (I think).  What's going on on the Republican side could easily make way for Perry or Gingrich to sneak through.  And in this toxic political climate, they could win.  I'd like to think the American people are waking up to what the GOP has turned into, but am not confident.

                  "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

                  by AnnieR on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:51:17 AM PDT

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                •  Good Analysis (2+ / 0-)
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                  wishingwell, blue aardvark

                  Cain won't be the nominee.   It is clear that Perry is a dolt that is beyond resuscitation.

                  The only one I can see that could challenge Mittens from this field is Newt.

                  I'm pretty certain Romney will be the nominee.   He'll choose a nutter/teahadist for his VP to try to woo them.   I'm not sure it will work but who knows with the crappy economy.

                  None of my Republican friends and acquaintances can stand Mittens and this seems to be a common feeling on the right, but they all still add, "but he's miles better than Obama and if I have to vote for him I will".    The mouthpieces on the right have successfully seeded hatred and fear of Obama in their zombie followers and it is palpable and always present when discussing politics with them.

                •  Palin didn't survive hers, though (2+ / 0-)
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                  Joe put on a padded suit, gauzed up his hands, tied both behind his back, and still KO'd that clown at "Good evening".
                  But oddly, Republicans had a different take on it.
                  She cleaned his clock, to listen to them.
                  Alternate universes are not big enough to encompass the disconnect with reality that is a normal part of republican excuse-making. for that reason, i submit that debates are not the campaign event they once were (Kennedy/Nixon, Bentsen/Quayle come to mind).
                  It will be a small matter for them to loathe Romney with every bit of vitriol they can muster and vote for the purity candidate of their momentary infatuation, but when there are but two names on the ballot, they will choose any name that is not Obama.
                  I think it is folly of the highest order to bet that any republican will choose not to vote against Obama when the time comes. It could be anyone on the "not Obama" ballot line; Pol Pot, Jeff Dahmer, it won't matter.

                  Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

                  by kamarvt on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:17:27 AM PDT

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              •  Well, their is some big Republican $ behind (3+ / 0-)
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                Herman Cain.

                You know, Americans for Prosperity, Freedom Works -- big time corporate backers of the Tea Party.  

                Don't underestimate that, as they get the advantage of unlimited spending.

                First they ignore you. Check. Then they laugh at you. Check. Then they fight you. Check. Then you win. Check back. Or, if you aspire to be a mensch, Check in.

                by caul on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:14:44 AM PDT

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              •  They have already (2+ / 0-)
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                elected a nitwit.  Hell, he is their idol.

                His name is Ronald Reagan, who talk about "killer trees" in 1980.

                The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

                by fladem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:50:55 AM PDT

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        •  Historically (2+ / 0-)
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          over 40% is a good number for a front runner in New Hampshire.  The line tend to be at about 35 - if the front runner is under it they usually lose New Hampshire.  If they are close to 35 usually New Hampshire is close, and they are over 40 they almost always win.

          The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

          by fladem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:49:50 AM PDT

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          •  So if Romney holds at this level (1+ / 0-)
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            for two months he's a likely winner.

            Let us see.

            In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

            by blue aardvark on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:00:15 AM PDT

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            •  In New Hampshire (2+ / 0-)
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              really the key will be if one of the other candidates can get to a one on one race with Romney before Florida (which I think we will be the key fight).

              Historically the right has not consolidated its vote early enough (see eg '88), but we will see.

              The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

              by fladem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:16:54 AM PDT

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      •  Possibly prepare for: (2+ / 0-)
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        Romney/Cain

      •  Why do you say (1+ / 0-)
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        Cain can't win?

        Right now the only polling that matters is Iowa, and Cain is ahead there.

        The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

        by fladem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:48:32 AM PDT

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        •  But Cain has no ground opperation in either (1+ / 0-)
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          Iowa or New Hampshire. He has barely been to either state.

          But more to the point, he is going to self-immolate with the extra attention that being at the top gives. In 3 weeks or so he is going to be another also ran.

          Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

          by Something the Dog Said on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:04:50 AM PDT

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          •  He doesn't need it really (0+ / 0-)

            in New Hampshire, and he has time to build one in Iowa.

            The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

            by fladem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:17:44 AM PDT

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      •  I think they're going to roll out ... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... someone "new" at the last minute, ala Sarah Palin.  Look!  Shiny!  Let's vote for them!

    •  I ADORE your sig. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    •  I am beginning to wonder if this election will (0+ / 0-)

      be decided by how many voters on both sides are too disgusted with their choices to vote.
      It has been said that if every single American Citizen that has the right to vote - actually voted, the Democrats would outnumber the Republican voters 5-1.
      Now with some of these ridiculous new 'laws' that even prevent a high school civics teacher to encourage his/her students to vote  - just getting people to register to vote is difficult.

      Come to the Dark Side, we have cookies

      by Evolutionary on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:28:30 AM PDT

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  •  Absolutely they can win (20+ / 0-)

    Ronald Reagan won.
    Mark Lee won in Iowa.
    Toomey won in Pennsylvania.
    Scott won in Florida - a convicted criminal.

    The voters are angry but also confused.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:33:53 AM PDT

    •  The lessons of 2010 (12+ / 0-)

      The Tea Party won with two lies:

      Obama cut $500B from Medicare
      Obama bailed out the Banks.

      Immediately after their election, the Tea Party (along with the rest of the GOP) vote

      To kill Medicare
      To repeal Bank Regulation

      Nothing shows the Orwellian nature of politics in the US today more than that.

      It boggles my mind that Dems still consider any changes to Medicare or SS.  The Rovian attack dogs will take any bone (like the ACA savings of $500B) and chew on violently it for the entire election, spitting out ads that equate anything that has the word Medicare in it into the equal or worse than the Ryan Plan.

      The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

      by Upper West on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:22:21 AM PDT

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    •  Yep (1+ / 0-)
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      I wish I could rec this 100 times.

      If U3 is over 9 in November 2012 a dog would have a reasonable shot against Obama.

      People are scared.

      The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

      by fladem on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:52:26 AM PDT

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  •  The TRUE freaks like Bachmann could never win... (8+ / 0-)

    but the Thugs will hold their noses and nominate Romney.

    He can pass for a normal person if you squint just right.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:41:10 AM PDT

  •  Don't underestimate Rick Perry (5+ / 0-)

    He can come back, because Herman Cain is not gonna last, and there will have to be someone to oppose Mitt Romney. Rick Perry will destroy Mitt Romney before it is all over. It might not help Rick, but it will help us because the Mittster will be discredited completely by the time Perry gets finished with him.

  •  Truthfully (4+ / 0-)
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    Yes.

    I know plenty of people who have seemed rational become frothing mad at the mention of Obama. Birtherism: still alive and well.

    Pat Robertson and Jeb Bush just want a little of the spotlight.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    by Ex Con on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:46:02 AM PDT

  •  Short Answer: Yes They Can (5+ / 0-)
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    If W can get elected and re-elected, then yes the current freak show stands a chance of pulling it off, between the right wing echo chamber, corrupt media, vote suppression, and low information voters - and a Democratic Party that alienates its own base to chase undecideds and other clueless types.

    Not to mention the clueless types it has running things. I saw Tim Geithner taking questions about the economy the other day, and he was just pathetic. He should be out the door ASAP. Can you imagine the what it would be like if he were replaced with Alan Grayson?

    I'm waiting for the next GOP presidential debate to open with the scene they've kept off the airwaves so far - the moment when the tiny little clown car pulls up at the studio and all the GOP contenders come piling out.

    I'm surprised no one's done a political cartoon of that yet.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:49:52 AM PDT

  •  Doubt it (7+ / 0-)

    None of them but Romney are even viable, and Romney is just weird.  I'm 95% sure Obama will be reelected, even with the crappy economy.  

    I am not interested in arguing about Barack Obama

    by satanicpanic on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:50:04 AM PDT

  •  Zaphod Beeblebrox 2016. nt (0+ / 0-)

    Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

    by Dauphin on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 06:52:20 AM PDT

  •  Hello? November 2010? Thwp Thwp Is this Thing On? (4+ / 0-)

    Two conservative parties, in the best of times half the voters see no benefit in participating, the needy majority stay home knowing their situation cannot improve by voting since nobody's offering them a better future.

    The radical fundies and rightwing Catholics energized to save the country from Satan show up and give a clean sweep to the Republicans who a majority of Americans disapprove of.

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    This is how nations acquire permanent ruling minorities.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:00:59 AM PDT

    •  Ah, here it is again. "Two conservative parties." (0+ / 0-)

      The new talking point.  Easy to say.  Easy to repeat.  Full of nothing that even resembles the truth.  But, if you repeat a LIE endlessly, you begin to convince everyone that they're hearing the truth.

      The Democratic party is NOT conservative.  It's LIBERAL.  It's fighting to keep REPUBLICANS from decimating Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unions, libraries, infrastructure, healthcare for the masses, SCHOOLS, college educations, minimum wage, a 40 hour work week, the right to VOTE.

      Stop LYING, Gooserock.  It's OBVIOUS what the Republicans are trying to do to this country and it's OBVIOUS that Democrats are doing exactly the OPPOSITE, which is why Republicans are marching in lockstep to make sure whatever Democrats attempt to put through Congress DIES.

      Damn.  Stop LYING!!!

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:53:43 AM PDT

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      •  The US Senate on the Political Compass: (0+ / 0-)

        We are the principled ones, remember? We don't get to use the black hats' tricks even when it would benefit us. Political Compass: -6.88, -6.41

        by bmcphail on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 10:20:49 AM PDT

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        •  Yes the Dems are to the left of the Reps. (0+ / 0-)

          But that's not the overall impression.

          We are the principled ones, remember? We don't get to use the black hats' tricks even when it would benefit us. Political Compass: -6.88, -6.41

          by bmcphail on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 10:22:27 AM PDT

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          •  Dems aren't to the left of Reps. They are the (0+ / 0-)

            OPPOSITE of the Reps.  And the overall impression is because of LIES being repeated endlessly to confuse and use the masses.

            He who controls the message controls the masses, so we see even on this site a constantly repeated mantra of LIES, like "Two Conservative Parties" just to confuse and use any Dems on this site who may want to support their own party.

            So obvious.  Stop the f'ng LYING!!!

            Best. President. Ever.

            by Little Lulu on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 11:25:46 AM PDT

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        •  Fun chart. Very colorful. What are the squares (0+ / 0-)

          respresenting, exactly?  Sorry.  Not enough information on this simplistic chart to convince me of anything.  But, again, it sure is purty!

          Best. President. Ever.

          by Little Lulu on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 11:26:51 AM PDT

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  •  I can't quite be as shrill about Romney or (1+ / 0-)
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    "The Other Mormon Guy" as I can the rest of the field, but obviously best-case scenario if one of the candidates was elected is "more of the same" which is not good.

    Justified anger does not grant you unrestricted license.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:02:50 AM PDT

    •  I saw the "other guy" on the Colbert Reporrrr (2+ / 0-)
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      yesterday.  Huntsman appears to be a 'moderate Republican', which is why none of them are paying attention to him.  The most extreme conservative possible seems to be the one who will be nominated.
      I hope our President becomes a little less 'bipartisany' this time around.  I also hope that he walks his talk.

      Come to the Dark Side, we have cookies

      by Evolutionary on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:51:52 AM PDT

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  •  Dog - it's about GOTV in swing states (7+ / 0-)

    Romney will be the candidate and I fear Rubio (I know he said he wouldn't) will be the #2. That is a formidable ticket that can turn Latinos in swing states. Republicans can easily hold their nose and vote for Romney, it is really an up or down vote on President Obama. This will be close and will be about GOTV in swing states. The odds favor the President, but also favor the GOP keeping the House and winning a majority in the Senate.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:05:27 AM PDT

    •  Latinos (1+ / 0-)
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      I find it rather disturbing to lump said voters altogether, as though being a Cuban-American Republican is the same as every other Hispanic experience.

      That aside, and given his latest kerfuffle, I think he'll want to stay as far away as possible from this Klown Kar.

  •  Yeah they can (4+ / 0-)

    especially when there's people in Obama's own party constantly badmouthing him and nitpicking everything to make him look bad and discouraging voters, on this website in particular. There's a diary on the rec list today that does just that.

  •  A better question might be . . . (3+ / 0-)
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    . . . can the Democratic bipartisany compromisey reach-across-the-aisle imitation freak show beat the authentic Republican freak show?

  •  Let me give you the wingnut point of view, just (5+ / 0-)

    to point out how toxic and insane our political environment has become.  According to my sister (the wingnut), the Democrats took over in 2006, and they caused this mess with their tax and spend socialistic policies.  The only way to fix it is to put in more wignuts.  That's what we're fighting, and it's an uphill battle.  It's rightwing news and radio, and until we get some real fair and balanced broadcasting, I don't see how we win, unfortunately.  

    "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

    by AnnieR on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 07:26:04 AM PDT

  •  About "the public" (2+ / 0-)

    The first model for segmentation comes from standard consumer marketing, and divides the population by involvement (high/low) and information (high/low).

    The second segmentation overlays the first and divides between what we'll call faith based and reason based thinking.  Being faith based doesn't necessarily correspond to being religious (there are lots of reason-based people who are very religious and there are non-religious faith based types; having said that, a reason-based fundamentalist is about the most extreme case of cultural dissonance I could imagine).

    Understanding "faith based" thinking is important to understanding the right wing.  It's not just believing that the earth was created in 4004 BC or that God is a bearded white guy in geosynchronous orbit.  Being faith based is the ability to hold two contradictory views as incontrovertible fact, thinking by anecdote, rejection of probability theory, and winner take all conflict resolution.  Once you get that, the freak show makes a lot more sense.

    It also spooks the center.  Once that happens, low-involvement voters on the left tune out.

  •  Yes, of course they can. (1+ / 0-)
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    A Republikan freakshow won in 2010, didn't they?

    We reach for the stars with shaking hands in bare-knuckle times.

    by TheOrchid on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:13:11 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, but it is not the same. It was not not a (1+ / 0-)
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      national election with a long primary season.

      And they were not as insane in their policy and Senators and Reps don't have to top each other in insanity like Republican presidential candidates do.

      Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

      by Something the Dog Said on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:20:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The reason for this situation is pretty simple (0+ / 0-)

    Everybody in politics knows that the Presidency is just not the office it was--it's power is nominally great--the President can order the arrest, assassination or torture of anyone in the world at any time and for any reason. That seems like a good deal. But not really. The fact is, and it should be dawning, hopefully, on people on this blog, that there is a permanent government that is immune from any Presidential, Congressional or Judicial authority. This government is actually complex and not easy to define since it is a network and, as a force has developed an "emergent" intelligence.

    So the office itself will not attract either those who are powerful or those who seek power but, rather, the kind of oddballs we are seeing now. The Presidency is, in my view, a largely symbolic and PR position for the corporate oligarchy and I don't think who sits in the Oval Office frankly makes a big difference in the major (non-cultural) issues of the day.

    •  Although it is true that the 'actual' government (0+ / 0-)

      is composed of the puppet masters of the Plutocracy, I have to disagree that who sits in the Oval Office doesn't make a difference.  A Republican president at this point, would be the end of America as we know it (I know, it already isn't the American we once knew).  It does seem to be a choice between the "lesser of evils" though.
      When us "Professional Lefties" are characterized as extreme instead of 'normal', and Progressive ideas are dismissed as non-viable, things are pretty bad.

      Come to the Dark Side, we have cookies

      by Evolutionary on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:16:51 AM PDT

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      •  I think America as we knew it has already ended (0+ / 0-)

        Not that it didn't have plenty of warts---we are in a transitions period in which we may go in any of several directions. I think what you may sense is that a Republican President and a Republican Congress might mean the actual dissolution of the United States and you may be right in that but it is a trend that has been going on for some time anyway--it might just be faster with Republicans in office--one good thing that may result is that most of us on the left will have the Obama spell broken and we may actually be able to mount a real opposition movement and not waste time on what I view as a highly corrupt Democratic Party which has proven itself as the chief enabler of the steady rightward drift we have witnessed in this country.

        I think Obama's betrayal, whether willful or not, has profoundly changed the left and I don't think we are going to go back to things as they were.

        •  So, how do we actually make a Progressive platform (0+ / 0-)

          big enough to produce a viable candidate?  I'm ready to go to work on that if we have a chance at success.  OWS has started a conversation at least.  Whether we like to admit it or not, there are, in fact, several 'Democrats' that are owned by Wall Street.  That doesn't mean there are no good Democrats though.  Elizabeth Warren, and Alan Grayson to name a few.
          When was the last time we had any Presidential candidate that didn't break all their campaign promises?  The trust is completely gone.  Lots of talk, but no walk.
          Or- all hat and no cowboy.

          Come to the Dark Side, we have cookies

          by Evolutionary on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 10:04:15 AM PDT

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          •  As I've said many times (0+ / 0-)

            Change is not and cannot come through electoral politics at this time--it has been gamed through various means. Yes, there are some excellent candidates and you mentioned two of the best, particularly Warren. But the power of politicians is very limited in our current system.

            Real political power comes from united and militant communities who know the score and are willing to go to the mattresses to prevail. That community must be able to provide support for community members in terms of food, shelter, health-care and be relatively autonomous--working within the system but not of the system--expanding the cracks and leveraging power through affinity groups, coops, unions and so on. From that base electoral politics could have some chance of becoming important again. But we have to be clear the Democratic Party is hopelessly corrupt as a party--it represents Wall Street and regressive politics in a different way than the Republicans (different demographic) but not substantially different.

  •  The rethug freak show should NOT win, but we MUST (1+ / 0-)
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    ask the question: Why is it possible that it might win?

    Let's look at reality squarely in the eye: the Occupy movement is striving to maintain its distance from the Dems as well as the rethugs. Because the key issue in our time is whether or not we are going to allow the new corporatist oligarchy to control the government. Almost everything that's bad - global climate change, running out of fossil fuels, income inequality, the assault on unions - flows from the corporatist control of state and federal governments. On top of that, both the Dems and rethugs, at the national level, support basically the same economic policies: the "neo-liberal" policies of free trade and free markets. I would remind people of the confrontation between President Kennedy and the steel industry if they think that "neo-liberalism" is the norm. It is now, but it wasn't always. Jeebus, President Obama just signed three new "free trade" agreements! Using the same freaking justifications that were used for NAFTA! At the CFTC just "lessened the regulatory burden" on commodities futures trading! Right now, with food prices skyrocketing, the government should be banging heads in the futures markets and driving the speculators out, in the spirit of "The first purpose of government is to defend the powerless against the powerful." But Obama and the Dems are paying obeisance to Wall Street, while paying lip service to OccupyWallStreet.

    The key difference between the two parties at the national level is that the Dems are willing to provide more of a social safety net to ameliorate the effects of continued "neo-liberal" shock doctrine economic policies. But now we've seen that the Dems are even willing to compromise key safety net programs like Social Security!

    To get to the point: the only reason that the rethugs won in 2010, and might win again in 2012, is because the Democratic Party at the national level will only mouth the populist slogans of attacking the rich and powerful, while doing nothing to really put the rich and powerful in their place. Treat Wall Street commodity speculators as financial terrorists, for example, and the rethuglicans would instantly become a minority party for at least a generation.  

    A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

    by NBBooks on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 08:24:53 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, our Democratic leaders need to actually (1+ / 0-)
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      walk their talk.  We get lots of promises, but not a whole lot of follow-through.  
      Either Elizabeth Warren or Alan Grayson would make very good leaders, but they have been heavily targeted for that very reason.  To change the conversation, the Dems would have to spend as much money dispelling myth, as the Repubs spend promoting myth.

      We HAVE to get money out of politics.  There is no other way to restore sanity.

      Come to the Dark Side, we have cookies

      by Evolutionary on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:22:11 AM PDT

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  •  I think a GOP freak actually could win (0+ / 0-)

    if the Democrats are too closely identified with their own freak show- the OWS protests.   If voters are faced with a choice between a status quo freak or a party beholden to revolutionary freaks they will most likely stay in the comfort zone of the familiar freak.

  •  Republican freak show? (4+ / 0-)

    Kinda redundant isn't it?

  •  apropos your calling out fox as a shill (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.foxnews.com/... purty much nails it.

  •  The diary expresses a fear (1+ / 0-)
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    that one of the nutters from the Republican menu might be able to get elected and uses the 2010 election as an example.

    The problem is that if the 2010 elections taught us anything it is that races that Republicans should have easily won (DE and NV Senate races) were lost because of the nutter candidates that were nominated by Republicans.

    The only Republican candidates that I could see beating Obama at this point are Mittens and Newt.   I used to think it was only Mittens but after watching the debates, I think Newt could also have a very small chance.

  •  GOP is totally Amway marketing. (2+ / 0-)

    GOP voters will do what their up-line in the forward-all chain tells them to do. Their only facts are e-mailed to them by Aunt Franny who receives them from the Department of Homeland Security.

    Can the chain be broken?

    . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

    by 88kathy on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:22:08 AM PDT

  •  Their goal is not election. It is destabilization. (3+ / 0-)

    The way the government to fall to pieces.

    Blocking jobs bills. Blocking judicial appointees. Blocking disaster aid. Blocking budgets.

    The freak show is just one more piece of the destabilization campaign - to send the signal that the entire system is useless and must be replaced.

    But what might seem like a through-the-backdoor cause for broad-spectrum agreement is nothing of the sort.

    It's about beating down attachments to existing norms and established traditions as a prelude to weakening them that one last bit required before destroying them all.

    Our brethren on the right - they simply do not accept anyone not of their movement as being legitimate in power.

    And the existing duly-constituted government of this country is no longer acceptable to them.

    Too many of the wrong people have rights under law...including the vote. No, especially the vote.

    For voting is the part of democracy Republicans hate the most. Why? Because to Republicans, too many ideologically-unqualified persons are doing so.

    And they are highly motivated to put a stop to that for keeps - not just by making it difficult to register but making the very idea of one-person one-vote disreputable.

    I don't think Cain's rise is pre-planned but it is a consequence of the full-blown flight of the American conservative movement from any pretense of support for liberty, save for the liberty to be as uncompromising a zealot as possible.

    And woe to the Republican who balks at the crazy, even for a moment.

  •  These tubes are our only hope, IMHO. The media (1+ / 0-)
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    is a totally owned and operated subsidiary of the corporations bent on commanding our democracy through their paid Republican operatives and lobbyists/bribery.  The Democrats are smeared with the tit-for-tat brush just to confuse and misinform the public.  This blog is inflitrated with "Obama is just Bush Lite" all the f'ng time, as well as "Democrats are no better than Repubs!"  Obvious crap that returns day after day right here on this Democratic blog.

    We are up against a machine that has money to burn.  We must work day and night everywhere all the time to thwart them and their agenda of destroying this country and leaving the spoils to the 1% of greedy, selfish, anti-
    American POS.

    Let's take our country back from the corporations and billionaires!!!!  GOTV for DEMOCRATS and

    OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!!

    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:33:18 AM PDT

  •  they don't have to win (1+ / 0-)
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    The freaks' job is to move the Overton window to the right: to get the crazy and the evil out there for the media to present as a legitimate political stance and for the country to talk about in barbershops and sewing circles and thus absorb into our collective consciousness.  They make room for the establishment conservatives to move to the right and still appear as sensibly center-right, though this has as much to do with tone as with policy.  This generates pressure on Democrats to move to the right in search of the mythical "center" - that it lies between the two parties' positions is taken for granted, even when polls say it's to the left of the Democratic Party - and that's where conservative victories are really won: in the hearts and minds of people who consider themselves liberals, 99%ers, etc.  For America, it's death by a thousand cuts but it's never not normal.

    Do you know why they call it the American Dream? Because it only happens when you're asleep.

    by Visceral on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:38:39 AM PDT

  •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

    Quite easily with this pathetic, conservative administration. That is the biggest condemnation of this group of Neo-Liberal losers. Ugh.

    I didn't abandon the fight, I abandoned the Party that abandoned the fight...

    by Jazzenterprises on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 09:49:21 AM PDT

  •  One thing is certain. (1+ / 0-)
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    No matter who wins the Presidency, the only real winner will be Corporate America.

    As long as money equals speech, speech can never be free.

    by Carnivorous Plantling on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 10:24:45 AM PDT

  •  No, but imcompetent Democrats can lose... n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Yes, the GOP can win due to OWS (0+ / 0-)

    OWS is developing into a Republican consultants dream tool to depress the Democratic vote in 2012.

    Look at all the OWS diaries on DKOS about how the Democratic Establishment is the Enemy, that they are no different than Boehner and company.  You see tons of diaries on how to tweet your rage, beat drums, march, etc. and very little encouraging people to register to vote, run as candidates, etc.

    Welcome to 1968, where Hubert Humphrey was excoriated by the radical left and Nixon was placed into the Presidency in a very close election.  Humphrey - as solid a New Dealer as ever was.

    Welcome to 1980, where the radical left went after Carter with a vengeance, putting Reagan into office.  Carter - a man whose post-Presidency activities are a beacon of humanitarian giving.

    Welcome to 2000, where the left again stuck it to the Democratic nominee, in this case Al Gore, who was according to the Naderites "the same as Bush."  The same Al Gore later to become a hero to many for his early attacks on the Iraq War and support for climate change policy.

    Annnnddd....here we go again!  OWS, particularly with its use of debacles like Oakland as supposed rallying points, is accomplishing two things.  First, it is demoralizing people against voting and participating in politics by saying there are no real choices and the Democrats are the same as the GOP.  Second, they are probably going to up the other sides turnout to support even someone the right regards as mealy mouthed, e.g. Romney, because the OWS makes such a useful foil.

    What a debacle indeed.  Obama is done if this keeps up.

    "Hidden in the idea of radical openness is an allegiance to machines instead of people." - Jaron Lanier

    by FDRDemocrat on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 10:57:12 AM PDT

  •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

    ...the 99% are protesting 99% of the stuff you cite in your diary.

    So the answer is:  If a mere fraction of the nationwide OWS collective vote Democratic in 2012, Republicans will experience an electoral wipeout.

    But I don't think the nationwide OWS collective is interested in voting (and reall, who can blame them?)

    So yes.  Given the current vehement disgust with even the thought of entering a voting booth, one of these insane wingnut candidates can possibly win.

    When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

    by wyvern on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 11:05:39 AM PDT

  •  The full on Superfreak of the R party (0+ / 0-)

    is SOOOOOOO out there - I mean what is up with the smoking man commercial?  What is up with Herman Cain's candidacy?  They are all so out there that I've practically convinced myself that the powers that be already have 2012 election rigged the way they want it and now they're just having their idea of mindless fun with the electorate by throwing outrageous, distracting, crap our direction.  It is SO extreme - that it makes me think they are extremely confident that $ buys elections.'

    "The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it." - Flannery O'Conner

    by Dixiedemocrat on Wed Oct 26, 2011 at 12:37:22 PM PDT

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