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Chuck Schumer earlier Monday on Morning Joe
 
Brian Beutler:
Senate Democrats’ top messaging strategist predicted Monday that the deficit Super Committee will fail to meet its required minimum target of $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction.

“I don’t think the Super Committee is going to succeed because our Republican colleagues have said ‘no net revenues,’” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) on MSNBC. “When Democrats move too far left, we lose. We’re now — the basic mainstream of Democrats…we’re willing to move to the middle,” Schumer said. “They are not willing to do any revenues.”

Schumer’s the highest ranking member of either party to publicly predict the panel will fail. And his argument is perfectly well founded. Democrats have been explicit for weeks that they’ll entertain some of the unpopular cuts to programs like Medicare and Social Security that Republicans want — but only if the GOP ponies up significant new revenue from high-income tax payers. Republicans so far have refused.

This all makes perfect sense, and unless Republicans offer up a huge concession (bigger than even Democrats are asking for) on taxes, I hope he's right. Unfortunately there's still plenty of time for him to be wrong, and if I had $1 for every time a prediction like this turned out to be wrong (for example, "make no mistake ... there will be a public option"), I'd have Sean Hannity begging for the opportunity to lick my boots.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 09:54 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  so a special defense spending (2+ / 0-)
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    sgtlejeune, salmo

    bill to take care of the cuts in defense.

    Republicans will put it forward, and anyone in the house or senate will be called weak on defense.

    Nothing will change until an election will throw them out.

    "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility" -George M. Wrong.

    by statsone on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 09:57:19 AM PST

    •  It's time to have this debate (7+ / 0-)

      Are we still investing for empire, or are we now investing in the American People?

      If the Republicans want to play "I hug the Pentagon more than you," it believe they will lose this time.

      Americans want Peristroika. We are tired of being the World's Cop. That is the one thing that you hear on both the left and right in this country. We can no longer afford to rule the world.

      Time to end the Empire and bring the troops and bases home.

      It may be The People vs. both parties but let's have this debate in every schoolhouse, church, and town hall in the land!

      •  Republican'ts Don't Hug the Pentagon. (1+ / 0-)
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        greendem

        Too often the Pentagon tells them that they just don't even want the shit the GOP is buying them and the GOP buys it anyway.

        I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Oh, yeah, and Ronald Reagan was an idiot and a lousy president.

        by journeyman on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 12:09:01 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  That will be a hard sell (3+ / 0-)
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      All the social spending cuts are triggered but none of the Defense cuts?

      I don't think even the RWNM is loud enough to make that work.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:11:12 AM PST

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  •  No one could have predicted...duh. (6+ / 0-)

    Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

    by temptxan on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 09:59:21 AM PST

  •  In other news, water has been found to be wet n.t. (6+ / 0-)
  •  No we're NOT! (13+ / 0-)
    “We’re now — the basic mainstream of Democrats…we’re willing to move to the middle,” Schumer said.

    Not when the current so-called middle is somewhere between Nixon and Eisenhower.  Fuggeddaboudit.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:02:43 AM PST

  •  And other breaking News (0+ / 0-)

    Thanksgiving is on the 4th Thursday in November.

    [Sorry]

  •  So ... (12+ / 0-)

    If the Republicans agree to modest tax increases on the rich (something the public is very much in favor of), then Democrats will offer cuts to Medicare and Social Security (which the public is not in favor of). Wow. That seems like a massive failure since the federal deficits were created by unnecessary wars, welfare for the wealthy, and the bloated Department of Homeland Security. Time to occupy Congress.

    Be radical in your compassion.

    by DWG on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:05:55 AM PST

    •  Well put (5+ / 0-)
      the federal deficits were created by unnecessary wars, welfare for the wealthy, and the bloated Department of Homeland Security. Time to occupy Congress.
      Did Schumer bother to mention that before his father's Supreme Court appointed Duhbya President we had a balanced budget and a surplus? Has any prominent elected Dem bothered to make that point? Anyone in the media?

      Anyone?

      Bueller?

      I guess we'll just have to do it ourselves. Cut it, paste it, send it viral:

      BEFORE BUSH'S TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH AND UNNECESSARY WARS, WE HAD A BALANCED BUDGET AND A SURPLUS.

      Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

      by drewfromct on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:13:05 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Please- that was from a Clinton white house... (1+ / 0-)
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        and everything that guy did is TOXIC and unpopular, so of course we have to make sure no one ever remembers them...

        /snark obviously....

        "I'm not scared of anyone or anything, Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?" Jack Hawksmoor

        by skyounkin on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:16:45 AM PST

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      •  No they do not (0+ / 0-)

        mention this, because is a bi-partisan bamboozle. Schumer is the poster boy for the 1%, Third Way, bankster's that run this administration. He can call it moderate but it's not it's the extremist Third Way free market fundies posing as Democrat's. This is not moderate look at the Vichy Democrat's  on this committee look at who is the WH chief of staff. Just because the Republican lunatics like Simpson or Cantor are used as a foil by the Democrat's does not make them moderate. They are extremists, and their theories and implementation of oligarchical collectivism is a fail globally.  In what world is this moderate, Chuck?          

    •  Amen (0+ / 0-)

      Notice how nobody is proposing cutting A) spending on unnecessary wars B) welfare for the wealthy or C) Homeland Security?

      Priorities, priorities...

      "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

      by gsbadj on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 12:06:36 PM PST

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    •  GOP proposal will raise revenue - on the poor (0+ / 0-)

      Republicans cannot allow the idea that the GOP is tanking the economy on purpose over opposition to tax hikes to go unchallenged.  So, the Super Committee will find a tax hike it likes - on the poor, with maybe some flim-flammery that burdens the middle class too, but is not too obvious.  

  •  Shumer should also finally come out against (3+ / 0-)

    the outrageous special treatment for "carried interest" for bankers that he has blocked from tax reform efforts for years.

    Sen Shumer was the wrong senator to make his statements today on behalf of Democrats.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:09:38 AM PST

  •  I got news for ya, Chuckles: (10+ / 0-)

    When Democrats don't move to the left, they lose.

    Republicans are like the Weeping Angels. Take your eyes off of them for a second, and they'll send you back into the past.

    by jazzmaniac on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:09:44 AM PST

    •  1932, a period which started 50 years of (6+ / 0-)

      nearly unbroken Democratic control of government.

      Can't have that happen again, nosiree.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:16:39 AM PST

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    •  Hmmm....Kennedy? (0+ / 0-)

      Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 01:25:00 PM PST

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      •  Hardly. (0+ / 0-)

        Although it does depend on what you mean by "left." Kennedy was just as surely hardline anti-communist as anyone. I don't have a clue what he would have done differently than LBJ later on, although perhaps he would have been less of a lightning rod, being personally more attractive than LBJ to the masses and the young. Maybe LBJ would have been left to do the dirty work in Congress for a similar package as what we know now as the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, leaving Kennedy somehow more "above it all" and able to sell them to the larger public better than LBJ could?

        •  Kennedy wasn't left of Eisenhower? (0+ / 0-)

          Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 02:21:42 PM PST

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          •  Not regarding anti-communism. (0+ / 0-)

            Same place on that spectrum. (My original point was that the definitions of "left" and "right" have gotten so messed up since Nixon's time, really, that you really have to define your terms before using them nowadays.)
            Was Kennedy less of a "war-monger" than Eisenhower, for example? Hard to argue that, given Bay of Pigs, escalation in Southeast Asia, and other CIA escapades that JFK sanctioned.
            Was he more in favor of civil rights than Ike? Ike presided over Little Rock and gave approval to Brown v. BoE, after all . . .
            So even here you need to ask: on what grounds are you basing your evaluation?

          •  Six of One (2+ / 0-)
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            half-dozen of the other.  

            Both men made pretty speeches about civil rights (though Kennedy's was far prettier).  Neither could claim any credit for progress, though.  Kennedy's attempt at moral leadership (June 11, 1963) might have come to something if he hadn't been assassinated 5 months later.  But John F. Kennedy was an old friend and political ally of Joe McCarthy, a "business conservative", and an uber-cautious politician who squeaked into office with a plurality of 100,000 votes out millions cast.  For all his rhetoric, he was not a bold leader on such issues.  It's not that Kennedy opposed spending on social programs so much as he wasn't very interested in it.  He was clearly more interested in Cold War matters.

            For all his many weaknesses, Eisenhower at least, expressed frequent and vigorous defense of social and infrastructure programs that built up the nation.  He reminded everyone that what we were defending, more than territory, was "a way of life".  A way of life, I might add, that is now pretty much gone, along with the "American Dream" and the notion that "the entire country used to be a free-speech zone".  

            Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

            by Big River Bandido on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 03:43:30 PM PST

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  •  I'm no Nostradamus yet I can predict that (1+ / 0-)
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    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:10:32 AM PST

  •  No fear. Chuck Schumer (Sen-Wall Street) will... (6+ / 0-)

    somehow find a way to cave to Republican/corporate demands that we immolate Social Security to preserve tax cuts for millionaires like himself.

    Schumer may know how to raise money for elections, but he's been a sorry excuse for a Senator from one of the bluest states in the land. Always ready to go to the barricades to preserve the 'carried interest' tax rate for billionaire hedge fund managers, but not for Social Security.

    •  Sen. Schumer helped Sen. Gillibrand get elected. (0+ / 0-)
      •  Quite so; but he still stands with the Banksters. (0+ / 0-)

        He raised millions from the boys on Wall Street. Not coincidentally, no move against the 'carried interest' abomination has ever made it out of committee in the Senate, at least to my knowledge.

        Yes, Schumer is a big step up from the oleaginous and utterly corrupt Alfonse D'Amato. But he still stands with the 1% at the end of the day.

      •  Yes, and her reputation at the time was "moderate" (1+ / 0-)
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        Remember when she was the representative from a red, upstate district, with a fairly conservative voting record (reflecting her constituents, as I recall)?  It is not clear to me that Schumer knew how Gillibrand would change and grow when her constituency changed and grew.  

        •  she has moved to the left (0+ / 0-)

          guess she's going to lose, huh Chuck?

          Oh, wait, I forgot:  it's not "moving left" unless some politician or pundit says so.

          Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 01:26:40 PM PST

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          •  All that "movement" (0+ / 0-)

            is purely symbolic — calculated for the sake of appearances.  

            There cannot and will not be a truly liberal Senator from New York as long as the entire state Party structure is dominated by the likes of Schumer and Cuomo.  

            Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

            by Big River Bandido on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 03:46:03 PM PST

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  •  He's the Dem's chief messaging guy in the Senate (0+ / 0-)

    So it's not just some senator talking through his hat.

    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:12:39 AM PST

  •  When Republicans say raise revenue, they mean cut (3+ / 0-)

    taxes on the rich, magic will happen, business will be so good that revenues will go up.

  •  Make the 2012 be the referendum (0+ / 0-)

    on whose approach America should take for deficit reduction.

    If you want to end tax cuts for the rich with mild cuts in Medicare and Medicaid then vote for Democrats in 2012.

    If you want to continue tax cuts for the rich with major cuts to Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare including turning medicare into a vouch program than for for Republicans in 2012.

    Whom ever wins the in 2012 is what Americans have decided the direction they want to take in taxes and entitlements.

    President Obama, May 5, 2011: "When we say we will never forget, we mean what we say".

    by Drdemocrat on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:13:37 AM PST

    •  if you want to lose that is a good plan (1+ / 0-)
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      wsexson

      a word you didn't mention.  Jobs  

      move off of a jobs message and trying to beat Re at their own deficit hawking game is a 2012 loser 100% of the time, I guarantee it  

      "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

      by justmy2 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 11:10:21 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Mild cuts? (0+ / 0-)

      Mild in whose universe?

      I love how deep cuts become mild cuts because Paul Ryan is a barbaric asshole.

      Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 01:27:54 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Besides, Americans will not buy it. (0+ / 0-)

      I guarantee you, Americans are not going to sign on for a bunch of Medicare and Social Security cuts because they are milder than the Medicare and Social Security cuts of the other guys.  That doesn't get anybody to the polls.  Nobody.

      They are far likelier to tell all the politicians to go screw themselves and turn their back on the process, thus playing into the hands of the Republicans who want a low turnout.

      It is DC Democrats who have engineered this incredibly crappy buffet of electoral loathsomeness.  They are signing their political suicide notes.  If they don't give the American people a real alternative NOW, they are going to lose big.

      But don't worry, they'll find a way to blame it on their extremist base.

      Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 01:31:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  In order to make an election a referendum (0+ / 0-)

      the sides and battle lines have to be clearly drawn.  Can't do that when one side is continually trying to co-opt the others' positions.

      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

      by Big River Bandido on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 03:48:33 PM PST

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  •  Fact is (0+ / 0-)

    Many Republicans believe (in some cases correctly) that the only people they are accountable to are Republican primary voters, who will believe whatever their Wall Street goons want them to.  Hence voting for a tax hike is going to hurt them.

    This is the unfortunate reality that happens when you have too many House districts (and a handful of states) where one party cannot lose.

    27, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-07 (originally), liberal-leaning independent

    by TDDVandy on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:15:10 AM PST

  •  We need a trigger on the trigger (0+ / 0-)

    ...before all this escalates into real serious cuts, like to Defense, dagnabbit!

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:15:14 AM PST

  •  with all due respect (0+ / 0-)

    Chuck's a tool and has been a total failure in "organizing", "formulating" the Dem message...

    Wait... where's the camera?    Squirrel...

    Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

    by EdMass on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:15:37 AM PST

  •  Pardon me?? (4+ / 0-)
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    “When Democrats move too far left, we lose. [...]"

    Funny, the Republicans have moved too far right and seem to be winning.

    Maybe it's not where you are but how hard you fight?  Bunch of #$%#@$ #@$%#@%$#@%$@.  Gah, I cant find the words.

  •  In case of fire, Break Glass......VOILA!!!....The (1+ / 0-)
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    SuperDooperDooper Congress.

  •  Too far "to the left"? (7+ / 0-)

    In our senior senator's view, that means anytime we try to get rid of carried interest for his hedge fund contributors. Or his support for the foolish "tax holiday" for corp profits stashed overseas. Or his support for the repeal of Glass Steagall.

    Schumer is part of the problem, not the solution.

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    by Tasini on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:22:39 AM PST

  •  Is there a place we can see the automatic cuts (0+ / 0-)

    that will happen if they do fail?

    it seems to me people need to understand the consequences so they can petition their reps with the right information.

    Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

    by kimoconnor on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:24:03 AM PST

  •  Waiting for the cave men. (0+ / 0-)

    Dems hold 2 aces but seem unwilling to use them, as usual.

    The automatic defense cuts and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts.

    •  Problem with expire of Bush/Obama tax cuts (0+ / 0-)

      is that 85% of the cut goes to the 99%.  Many people on the left mistakenly believe the majority of it goes to the 1%.

      The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

      by nextstep on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 11:02:03 AM PST

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  •  *rolls eyes* (9+ / 0-)
    When Democrats move too far left, we lose.

    How would Chuck know that?  The Democrats never try it.

    Proud supporter of the drug-addled, f***ing retarded professional left.

    by Kall on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:24:16 AM PST

  •  As Sen. McCain said they can just pass another law (0+ / 0-)

    canceling the cuts.

    •  really? I had not heard that (0+ / 0-)

      Damn, these morons seem determined to kill our nation and any remaining semblance of the "American Dream".

      Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

      by kimoconnor on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:28:20 AM PST

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      •  The 113th congress is not bound (0+ / 0-)

        by the actions of the 112th.   Whatever the Catfood's do or whatever auto cuts are "invoked" NOTHING HAPPENS UNTIL 2013....Pay attention please

        Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

        by EdMass on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:33:22 AM PST

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        •  Then why the fuck are the Democrats (0+ / 0-)

          playing around with these crappy extraordinarily unpopular soul-destroying career-ending proposals??

          If this is all politics, then play politics well, goddamnit!

          Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 01:34:53 PM PST

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          •  The playing of politics by Senate Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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            is designed to make voters believe Senate Democrats are actually on the side of working Americans.  In that respect, they're pretty good at politics.  They've still got a lot of 'mericans believing it, even though it's bullshit.

            Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

            by Big River Bandido on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 03:51:02 PM PST

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  •  Senator Schumer sums up what is wrong with (2+ / 0-)
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    Democrats today.  They think we have moved left.  They have no f'ing clue.  

    Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

    by temptxan on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:27:15 AM PST

  •  What do you have against your boots?? (0+ / 0-)

    I wouldn't let Hannity lick anything of mine.

    "Politics is the entertainment branch of industry" - Frank Zappa

    by Da Rock on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:29:18 AM PST

  •  Ugh. "When Democrats..." (2+ / 0-)
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    ...move too far to the left, we lose?"

    The middle, Senator, is to the right of where the right used to be, say, when G. W. Bush was in the White House? Remember those days?

    This is what's wrong with us. This is what's wrong with the Democratic Party.  Speak for yourself, Chuck, I'm not moving.

    It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness - Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Fish in Illinois on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:29:24 AM PST

  •  Getting Kinky on Mondays (0+ / 0-)

    I like.

  •  What the hell is with this "too far left" BS? (3+ / 0-)
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    What, does he think we're Marxists?

    Or is that he pandering to his constituency (Wall Street)?

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:34:27 AM PST

  •  Schumer = FAIL (2+ / 0-)
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    OldDragon, SouthernLiberalinMD

    The Dems apparently will wave the "centrist" flag all the way into irrelevancy.

    “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

    by 420 forever on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 10:42:30 AM PST

  •  This is just what Robert Greenstein predicted.. (0+ / 0-)

    would happen (of CBPP)
    PR Newswire

    Democrats on the joint committee would not conceivably agree to entitlement cuts, or a mixture of entitlement and deeper discretionary cuts, that deep.  Hence, if Speaker Boehner honors his pledge to keep revenue increases off the table, the committee will surely fail -- and gridlock and policy warfare will continue.
    And that:
    Anticipating the policy battles to come, we should not lose sight of an alarming development.  Those who have engaged in hostage-taking — threatening the economy and the full faith and credit of the U.S. Treasury to get their way — will conclude that their strategy worked.  They will feel emboldened to pursue it again every time that we have to raise the debt limit in the future.
    Making the choice clear - No agreement on cuts to entitlements.  Caving on the big three is what the republicans believe the Democrats on the super committee will do.
    I've called and written Patty Murray several times without yet getting a definite response from her staffers. I'll keep hammering away.

    There's going to be a showdown come January 2013 on the debt ceiling. How well the Democrats hold strong today will let the rethugs know: hostage/sabotage will cost them imo

  •  Dammit! Why do they keep (1+ / 0-)
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    calling Republicans "colleagues"? They are not remotely like colleagues in any way. To call them colleagues is to beggar language. Call them "opponents" if you want to remain polite. But stop calling them something they aren't!

  •  did I miss the part when (2+ / 0-)
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    cutting Medicare and ss started being considered moving to the middle.?

    "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

    by justmy2 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 11:05:58 AM PST

  •  I'm still thinking the Super Committee was (0+ / 0-)

    designed to fail from the start.  Defaulting on the debt was too horrible for even the GOP leadership to contemplate, yet they still needed some way to get their TeaBaggers in line.  Hence, this expedient to kick the can down the road.

    Trouble is, they're down the road, now, and they still haven't made any headway in getting their TeaBaggers in line.  So, now they're faced with either reneging on their own arrangements going into an election year, or accepting the consequences of them.  You may have noticed the uptick in the number of articles in OP-ED pages about how horrible a cut in DoD spending would be.

  •  Schumer Perpetuating a Lie (1+ / 0-)
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    "When Democrats move too far to the left they lose..."???

    WHAT??!!

    I remember a certain President moving too far to the left and not only was his programs successful and popular but he was re-elected THREE TIMES!

    Here are some true statements:

    When Democrats move to the left they WIN!  Over and over with super majorities!

    When Democrats move to the right or the "center" (same place in reality) it's a toss up whether they win or lose.  

    Compromising with fascists will only leave you with fascism.

    by MarkVA71 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 11:44:43 AM PST

  •  I didn't vote for a super congress... (0+ / 0-)

    ...so if this sinks the super congress I'm all for it. Let's put the power back in the hands of all of congress so that we can put names to those who fail to raise needed revenue.

  •  No, this doesn't make sense (0+ / 0-)

    It shows that Schumer is continuing to believe in the old Third Way Clintonista mindset. One of the smartest pols we have doesn't understand that things have changed.

    “When Democrats move too far left, we lose. We’re now — the basic mainstream of Democrats…we’re willing to move to the middle,” Schumer said. “They are not willing to do any revenues.”

    Schumer thinks that refusing to cut Social Security and Medicare moves him "too far left" even though 65-80% of Americans say they want those programs uncut.

    Schumer actually thinks that meeting the GOP halfway puts him in "the middle" of something real.  He thinks that somebody somewhere is going to be impressed by Democrats being willing to give up something--in this case, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
    Who might that be?

    It's certainly not going to be the American people, who hate these cuts.

    Who is going to be impressed with Democratic centrism? If it's not the American people, who's left to impress? Wall St. and the Chamber?

    Well, I have news for Senator Schumer:  they're not going to be impressed enough. Thing is, Schumer wants something in exchange for those cuts:  increased revenues, meaning higher taxes or closed loopholes.  Why should Wall St. or the Chamber want to side with Schumer when they could side with someone, say Jon Kyl, who wants to cut Medicare and Social Security without closing loopholes or raising taxes?

    Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 12:52:42 PM PST

  •  Anybody else feel like (0+ / 0-)

    the Republicans are Gaston--and the Dems are LeFou?

    In a wrestling match nobody bites like Gaston!

    Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 01:44:37 PM PST

  •  Schumer: what a fucking prick (0+ / 0-)
    “When Democrats move too far left, we lose. We’re now — the basic mainstream of Democrats…we’re willing to move to the middle,” Schumer said.

    Senator Schumer:  when, exactly, have Democrats even moved left at all, much less "too far" left?  Indeed, Senator, just what do you consider to be "too far left"?

    Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

    by Big River Bandido on Mon Nov 07, 2011 at 03:32:30 PM PST

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