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The recent Pew Center for the People and the Press generational survey reveals interesting results, results that Ronald Brownstein of the National Journal calls Two Worlds of Whites.  I see the split as consisting of whites who fit the future and whites hopelessly lost in a racist past.

Overall, in the Pew survey, 47 percent of non-Hispanic whites agreed with the statement that "the growing number of newcomers from other countries are a threat to traditional American customs and values." Exactly 50 percent of whites disagreed.

Among the whites who find the increasing number of newcomers troubling, Obama's approval rating in the new Pew survey stood at just 21 percent with 70 percent disapproving. The president runs much more strongly among whites comfortable with the changes: 45 percent of them approved, while 47 percent disapproved.

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Most dramatic was the divergence between these two groups of whites in a hypothetical Obama-Mitt Romney race in 2012. Whites who consider the demographic change a threat prefer Romney over Obama by a crushing three-to-one: 72 percent to 24 percent. In stark contrast, among whites comfortable with the change, Obama led Romney 52 percent to 44 percent.

Two Worlds of Whites.

Here's the poll link for the full results.

Pew Center: The Generation Gap and the 2012 Election

The question appears to measure fear of brown people, hispanics who have immigrated to the United States, many since NAFTA forced them off the land.  I think it is a good question to measure the remaining embers of the white supremacist world view among white Americans, a world view that subordinates brown and black people, and that fears those outside a small cultural swath.  They fear the future.  They fear freedom for others and, perhaps, themselves.  

The fearful whites fear a loss of the intangibles attached with the psychological wages of whiteness.  I don't think they can be reached.  Many are lost causes.  Class will not trump white skin.  The Limbaugh core lives on resentment.  Many middle class and lower middle class white males have seen their status sink over the last 30 years.  I think they want someone to kick below them to try to create status in their minds.  

But there are many whites who can change and are changing, albeit imperfectly, from our racist past.  White people can be part of a rainbow of all ethnicities and races.

The re-election of Barack Obama will accelerate the rainbowing of America.  There are many things to do.  The 1% is exploiting the 99%.  But once many of the 99% realize that we're all in it together, we will strike a big blow against those who do so much to impovrish people.

Building a rainbow means the people are united, and the people united shall never be defeated!

 

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  •  In the future we will all kinda be tiger woods. (5+ / 0-)

    I just hope humanity survives long enough to get to that future.

    This comment may not be reproduced or excerpted on other sites without my express written permission.

    by psilocynic on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:18:11 AM PST

  •  And Bob Dylan remains a prophet with (13+ / 0-)

    considerable honor.

    A South politician preaches to the poor white man
    "You got more than blacks, don't complain
    You're better than them, you been born with white skin" they explain
    And the Negro's name
    Is used it is plain
    For the politician's gain
    As he rises to fame
    And the poor white remains
    On the caboose of the train
    But it ain't him to blame
    He's only a pawn in their game.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:18:54 AM PST

  •  One Has To Be Able To Bend Like A Pretzel (0+ / 0-)

    The question appears to measure fear of brown people, hispanics who have immigrated to the United States, many since NAFTA forced them off the land.

    [ ... ]

    The re-election of Barack Obama will accelerate the rainbowing of America.  There are many things to do.  The 1% is exploiting the 99%.  But once many of the 99% realize that we're all in it together, we will strike a big blow against those who do so much to impovrish people.

    To accept the logic of all of this. It was the Democratic Party who pushed NAFTA through and forced many of these individuals off of their land to begin with -- and as to middle class American whites feeling threatened by all of this -- well that should come as a complete surprise to everyone.

    As to the 're-election of Barack Obama will accelerate the rainbowing of America' how is it that in signing three new so-called 'free trade' agreements Barack Obama does not cement his position as part of the 1% to begin with, and how is it that we are going to 'strike a big blow against those who do so much to impoverish people' when our chosen political party has acted to impoverish a whole lot of people to date, and doesn't act like it will take a breather anytime soon?

    I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

    by superscalar on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:28:00 AM PST

    •  Such a poor argument you make. (7+ / 0-)

      I said:

      Re-election of Obama helps rainbowing of America.
      Rainbowing of America helps the 99% unify.
      A unified 99% helps fight exploitation by 1%.

      No where did I say Obama will smite the !%.
      No where did I say that Obama's trade bills were good.

      As for NAFTA, yes, Clinton supported it, but more Dems in the House voted no.

      You are attacking something else.  Certainly not the argument I made.

      As for your defense/apology for racist whites, well it speaks for itself:

      It was the Democratic Party who pushed NAFTA through and forced many of these individuals off of their land to begin with -- and as to middle class American whites feeling threatened by all of this -- well that should come as a complete surprise to everyone.

      You are lost in your own ideological blindness.  

      So fight the rainbow.  You will not win.   Nor will you advance working class interests.

       

      More jobs equal less debt, even our kids can understand that.

      by TomP on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:38:51 AM PST

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      •  Number One (0+ / 0-)

        Re-election of Obama helps rainbowing of America.
        Rainbowing of America helps the 99% unify.
        A unified 99% helps fight exploitation by 1%.

        I have no exact understanding of what you mean by the 'Re-election of Obama helps rainbowing of America.', because I don't understand what you mean by the 'rainbowing of America' to begin with.

        As for your defense/apology for racist whites, well it speaks for itself

        I wrote that it should come as no surprise that when the Democratic Party supports both the offshoring of jobs to cheaper labor and the importation of cheaper labor to jobs, and middle class American whites feel threatened by that, it should come as no surprise. If that is what you call a 'defense/apology for racist whites', so be it.

        You are lost in your own ideological blindness

        Yep, you're right, it's me who's 'lost in my own ideological blindness'.

        I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

        by superscalar on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:44:56 AM PST

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        •  You have no understanding (5+ / 0-)

          of what I mean by the rainbowing of America, but you attacked the position in the diary?  So you automatically attacked what you did not understand?

          You conflate being threatened by offshoring and immigration (blaming the "Democratic Party") with core racist ideas.  But racism predates NAFTA.

          Yes, you are lost in a rerflexive anti-Democratic Party position.  You saw me have one sentence favoring Obama's re-election and had to attack, even though you now admit you did not understand the diary at all.

          I opposed the trade bills then and now.  I do not oppose hispanics immigrating to the US, for whatever reason.  I support working class people of all colors.  I do not think it is "understandable" that some white middle class people fear and hate hispanics and/or blacks.  I reject simplistic analyses reducing the role of racism to an economci substructure, whether as simple economic deteminism or vulgar Marxism.

          There is a very complex interaction between class consciousness and ideas.

          And I support the progressive parts of the Democratic Party and the re-election of Barack Obama.    

                 

          More jobs equal less debt, even our kids can understand that.

          by TomP on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:54:22 AM PST

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    •  the white middle class is divided here (2+ / 0-)
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      half of them are indeed feeling threatened, but there's another half of us that you're ignoring that isn't scared of a brown planet.

      •  So, To Say That 'the growing number of newcomers' (0+ / 0-)
        are a threat to traditional American customs and values

        Is to say that 'the growing number of newcomers are a threat to white people simply because they are not white' ... because 'whiteness' is an 'American custom' or an 'American value'?

        What are some other 'American customs' and 'American values' and, did you take some college level course on what these 'American customs and values' are, or is there some book that you can buy?

        You see, I'm so 'lost in my own ideological blindness' and just can't understand all of this high fullitin stuff that you smart people talk about -- when you make all of these ideological leaps, it becomes hard for me to keep up.

        I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

        by superscalar on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 10:20:13 AM PST

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        •  ... (3+ / 0-)
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          Is to say that 'the growing number of newcomers are a threat to white people simply because they are not white' ... because 'whiteness' is an 'American custom' or an 'American value'?

          Yes.

          What are some other 'American customs' and 'American values' and, did you take some college level course on what these 'American customs and values' are, or is there some book that you can buy?

          Mostly that white Christian males run everything and any change to that is a direct attack to the security and sanctity of the country.  And you can buy those books at any Borders, Barnes & Noble location.

          "Math is a theory, so it's not taught in the Bible."

          by lcj98 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 10:28:12 AM PST

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          •  You Seem To View Everything Through The Prism (0+ / 0-)

            Of race, yet in your sig you seem to mock those who believe in the Bible.

            Define irony.

            I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

            by superscalar on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 10:34:15 AM PST

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            •  Define red herring. nt (2+ / 0-)
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              by BruceMcF on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 10:45:06 AM PST

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              •  Sure, Because This Constitutes A Valid Argument (0+ / 0-)
                Yes.

                What are some other 'American customs' and 'American values' and, did you take some college level course on what these 'American customs and values' are, or is there some book that you can buy?
                Mostly that white Christian males run everything and any change to that is a direct attack to the security and sanctity of the country.  And you can buy those books at any Borders, Barnes & Noble location.

                Because, sure, 'white Christian males run everything' (a welcome variant of old saw "Jews run the media" to be sure).

                The posters sig is "Math is a theory, so it's not taught in the Bible." I think it is purely valid to point out that a political zealot is no less the zealot then the religious zealot.

                I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

                by superscalar on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 10:52:06 AM PST

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                •  So, it's not a valid argument? (0+ / 0-)

                  The US Senate is something like 85-90% white Christian male.  The majority of the House are white Christian males.  There's only two states that I can think of that doesn't have white Christian males as governors...  Do you want to talk about the corporate world in the US?  But hey, I'm just making "a welcome variant of old saw "Jews run everything".

                  "Math is a theory, so it's not taught in the Bible."

                  by lcj98 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 11:20:27 AM PST

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                  •  So, And Again Bear With Me 'Cause I'm Dumb (0+ / 0-)

                    "Jews run the media" is incorrect?

                    It should be "white Christian males run the media"?

                    Note to self:

                    1.) "Jews run the media" is wrong.

                    2.) "white Christian males run the media" is right.

                    Thanks.

                    I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

                    by superscalar on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 11:28:56 AM PST

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                •  Also... (1+ / 0-)
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                  This is the United States of America, damn near everything is based on race.

                  "Math is a theory, so it's not taught in the Bible."

                  by lcj98 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 11:23:39 AM PST

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            •  Oh c'mon that sig is hilarious. (0+ / 0-)

              However, I must admit I don't understand what your post is saying. Perhaps you would point out the irony to me.  

              Maybe I need more coffee! Very possible.

              Yes, this is my country Retchin' and turnin', she's like a baby learnin' how to live ~ Buffy Sainte-marie - Soldier Blue

              by denig on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 11:17:08 AM PST

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        •  reading comprehension fail (2+ / 0-)
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          you're talking with yourself now.

          this has nothing to do with education, lots of working and middle class whites around here aren't particularly concerned with their nonwhite neighbors' non-whiteness, quite regardless of their level of education. our neighborhoods, marriages, friendships, schools, unions, and communities are increasingly integrated, and we're OK with that. while some whites - predominantly older and more conservative ones - freak out about it, a growing number of us don't.

          why you can't seem to accept that rather simple fact speaks volumes.

  •  The most interesting part... (2+ / 0-)
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    Whites who consider the demographic change a threat prefer Romney over Obama by a crushing three-to-one: 72 percent to 24 percent. In stark contrast, among whites comfortable with the change, Obama led Romney 52 percent to 44 percent.

    No matter what, whites folks just can't completely like, trust or whatever us brown folks...

    "Math is a theory, so it's not taught in the Bible."

    by lcj98 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:30:26 AM PST

  •  At some point, through intermarriage... (4+ / 0-)
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    ...we will be indistingushable and all these issues will go away.

    For now: Malcolm X, ML King, Shelby Steele, Maya Angelou, Billie Holliday, Thomas Sowell, Michelle Obama, Joe Louis, Michael Jackson and Langston Hughes IS a rainbow.

    "Look, my administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks," - Obama cutting off the bankers re their rationalization of bonuses.

    by dov12348 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:42:23 AM PST

    •  People minds and hearts are changing and (0+ / 0-)

      will continue to change so that all in the rainbow are respected.

      More jobs equal less debt, even our kids can understand that.

      by TomP on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:56:03 AM PST

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    •  it seems race fulfills some necessary social (1+ / 0-)
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      function since the concept is so tenacious.  Even among minority groups, there is racial distinctions based on perceived differences and/or similarities.  Hopefully we will dispense with whatever that function in the near future

    •  I am fortunate to live in a relatively progressive (3+ / 0-)
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      city such as Seattle. We have our challenges like every big America city with poor neighborhoods over represented by people of color and racial tension here and there. And we have our own examples of white flight to the eastern suburbs.  

      But I would say that a large percentage of whites here in the Seattle area appreciate and value our racial and ethnic diversity. And it is especially heartening to see the younger generation mingling easily and dating across racial lines. Mixed raced marriages are now commonplace and this trend will only grow over time.

      It just saddens me when I see people who are uncomfortable with anyone else but their own race or ethnic group. It is in our vast diversity that makes our lives more interesting and enriching.

      The Occupy movement is powerful, not because it is fighting for the rights of a few hundred people to sleep outdoors, but because it is fighting for the right of millions of Americans to sleep indoors. - Van Jones

      by Frank In WA on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 10:28:05 AM PST

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      •  I was raised in Seattle and live in a burb at the (1+ / 0-)
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        moment. But the truth of the matter for Seattle and a lot of places is that people with a small percentage of non European population can feel more liberal than those where the precentage is near tippage, even if it takes twenty seven different non European groups to produce it. It's easy to be liberal when your social position is secure and the culture of your neighbors challenges little in you. that's why I looooved NYC and didn't go home to Seattle, exactly.  DKos is very similar that way.

      •  I hope it's true... (0+ / 0-)

        ....and not just people viewing racism as gauche, while mixing well within people of a particular progressive upper-middle class background.

        9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

        by varro on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 04:31:36 PM PST

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  •  I am a first generation American born (3+ / 0-)
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    of a German mother who came over here in 1957 and
    a 2nd generation American born of an Italian father who's
    family immigrated to the US in 1898.

    Diversity is just another word for the spice of life.  We need
    to enjoy our differences so we can really be the unique
    individuals we are destined to be.  To all be the same
    is rather boring when you can experience and learn
    something new from each and every person you meet.

    "It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment." Ansel Adams..............................................................."Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers

    by Statusquomustgo on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:55:41 AM PST

  •  The U.S. is a melting pot of people and culture. (5+ / 0-)

    My education emphasized that when I was in grade school and I grew up accepting it, experiencing it, and looking forward to it getting even richer.

    I see and hear the fear out of people around me, and I just was never been able to wrap my head around it until I was able to pair that fear with the understanding that white privilege and exceptionalism would slowly and then more quickly erode.

    Unfortunately, we're going to have to drag those hidebound portions of white America into the future kicking and screaming whether or not they wish to accept the racial, ethnic, political and religious realities in this country.

    -6.38, -6.21: Lamented and assured to the lights and towns below, Faster than the speed of sound, Faster than we thought we'd go, Beneath the sound of hope...

    by Vayle on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 08:57:24 AM PST

  •  I have seen first hand in my own family (2+ / 0-)
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    people who had been life long Democrats vote for McCain because they simply could not handle the idea of having a black president. These are the same people who rejected their first (adopted) grandchild because he was black. I no longer speak with these people for this reason.

    People who had never be overt racists seem to have come out of their shells with the last election. It make me sad and scared at the same time, for not all of these people are older but under 50.

    Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

    by kimoconnor on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 09:40:04 AM PST

  •  this is a huge story, and i'm glad you found it (4+ / 0-)
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    i've been noticing this growing divide in CA over the past two decades, especially WRT generational divides within the white community. my elderly relatives used to freak out on my behalf and "warn" me "you know, whites are going to be a minority any time now in CA," which made no sense to me and my siblings and friends, who feel that the "we" that we belong to isn't defined by being white but by being liberal and open to everybody.

    our "we" isn't a minority, it's a growing confident majority in CA, and i'm a lot more afraid of crazy white folks that are afraid of nonwhites than i am about my immigrant and/or nonwhite neighbors or parents of my kids' classmates.

    that's why obama was so popular among our half of whites, and so unbelievably terrifying to the other half.  to us, he was a reification of the kind of america we live in and want to live in, whereas to them he was a harbinger that their ideal of white supremacy america is nowhere near a majority anymore, and rapidly fading.

    •  Excellent points. (1+ / 0-)
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      I agree: California is leading the way to our rainbow future.  

      More jobs equal less debt, even our kids can understand that.

      by TomP on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 10:07:14 AM PST

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      •  With my corner of CA last, I suppose... (1+ / 0-)
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        Nevada County, where I live, is both extremely poor, and extremely white.  In another state it would be Teabagger Central; this is California so instead they subscribe to a sort of generic anti-establishment philosophy that includes the more popular crazy conspiracy theories of the day. (9/11 was an inside job, passing airliners are leaving 'chemtrails' that sap our precious bodily fluids, the vaccination refusal rate in the county is almost 20%, etc.) And while I wouldn't call them 'racist' exactly, they display a definite unease towards darker-hued folk. Sadly, the multicultural, multiracial paradise of the future will probably come to the rest of California before it makes any inroads here.

        I support torturous regimes! Also, I kick puppies.

        by eataTREE on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 11:18:08 AM PST

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  •  PEW data is not information, just data (0+ / 0-)

    And data without analysis is worse than no data.

    Americans and citizens around the world are smart and understand the need for policies around immigration that are comprehensive with dire current economic realities.

    Developed economies (generally white) are stalled and will remain so for decades. This puts stress on emerging economies (generally not black or white) which are all slowing down. That slows the global economy more causing more and longer unemployment. Even if the US successfully reduces unemployment over the next 5 to 10 years as best case scenarios predict, it will be into a slowly grinding interconnected global economy. A generational global realignment.

    Simultaneously, great migrations from Africa, the near and far East, and Middle East continue to the EU and USA. They may redirect to better countries before too long. We may even see significant emigration from the EU and USA.

    Immigrations generally add to an economy's prosperity. However, while in a capital-starved economic stall, immigrants can easily raise the cost of daily life or reduce the fixed amounts spent on the poor.

    Americans of all colors have to wonder, "WIFM?" and, "What's the plan?"

    Economic issues. Race? That would have to be peeled apart with more, different data which neither PEW nor Brownstein do.

    Finally, I can think of quite a few "traditional American customs and values" that are "threatened" by "newcomers" and that's a good thing.

    In fact, "newcomers" may even be a key solution to fixing both the economy and  "traditional American customs and values" that stand in the way of our adapting to a global community.

    Bad data with bad analysis is misinformation.

    Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

    by kck on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 10:22:14 AM PST

  •  I would argue that whites are part of (0+ / 0-)

    the rainbow.  We all are. Weather we like it or not.

    I lived for an extended period of time in Japan.  I experienced first hand in a myriad of ways how Japanese are just as much, actually more,  racist and uncomfortable with the loss of their privilege.

    This is to say, it ain't a white thing.

    •  In the US it is historically. (0+ / 0-)

      There is nothing "in" white people that makes them racist or ethnically chauvinist.  And certainly various "peoples" can be ethncially chauvinist or "racist."

      But the history of America and the last few hundred
      years or more in the world shows a global slave trade based on moving Africans to the New World and European imperialsim in black, brown, red and yellow lands.  In the 19th century, there was psudo-scientific racism that literally ranked peoples with white on top and black on the  bottom and others in between.

      Our history shows white supremacy and subordination of African-Americans, Native Americans, Chinese,  hispanics, etc.  

      So based on our particular history, it is a white thing, and I believe whites have a moral obligation to try to redress the history of racism in some way.

      More jobs equal less debt, even our kids can understand that.

      by TomP on Tue Nov 08, 2011 at 01:57:59 PM PST

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