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Amidst all of the second guessing and rationalizing over last night's disastrous (for them) election results, the gang at Red State dot com does seem to agree on one thing -- Herman Cain is a walking disaster.

In a long thread entitled It's Official:  Herman Cain Has a Problem, the "Friends of Erik Erickson" weigh in with a wide range of reasons why Good Old Herman is the human equivalent of a political zombie:

On Cain's decision to base his defense around a full-scale attack on his accuser's personal life:

Herman, if this is the route you are taking, under direction of Mark Block who you should have fired when these allegations first broke, you are heading down the wrong path. Sheding (sic) light on someone else’s financial problems and not even bothering to deny the allegations is a fool’s path.
Given the mindset of the geniuses on his campaign (including Cain), there doesn’t appear to be even a smidgen of class in the whole lot of them. He’s done, he’s finished, it is over – THANK GOD that we know now!
right now Cain is on national TV claiming how he has been aggrieved by these women. But who led into the presser? Non other than Lin Wood, a high dollar defense lawyer from Atlanta with a very interesting record....snip

So Herman, he’s done himself some lawyering up and has hired one of the most well known legal attack dogs in the nation. Why has Cain done this? Shouldn’t we expect Cain himself, and not his legal pit bull, to address this? If Cain become president, and he is attacked by Congress, will we hear from his lawyer, or him?

That’s one serious display of hackitude right there (to be clear, I’m talking about the Cain campaign flack’s PR spin on this, not your post).

Whether the woman accusing Mr Cain is a personal wreck is really quite irrelevant to the allegations. The party affiliation of her legal counsel is similarly irrelevant. If this is the tack that Herman Cain is taking, then he will lose and deserves to lose.

On his truthfulness:

right now he is being asked questions by the press and Cain is blinking so fast that he looks like he is sending out Morse Code.

What’s with the “I then ‘recall’?” Is that a basis for a later claim of “my memory was not fully aware of XXX?”

I am sick of it to but if we could get to the truth we could put it behind us!
Too many women, two pay-outs, too many stories changing, too much shuffling, too LITTLE family standing by his side!
This week we have two more people and one has come out. Regardless of how he tries to demean her she is a real person and what she is saying is way worse than” you are about the same height as my wife”.

So we have a pattern and a failed press conference; he convinced no one, his wife and family were not there. Last week our own talk radio dudes were defending him; this week he is looking indefensible. Plus heard another one is willing to talk.

Last week he was collecting pots of money, his numbers were holding; now, well, he actually looks guilty. So think his numbers will fall and he will have to get out of the way. All I ever wanted is the truth. These were not the real reasons I do not want him; I am sure you know what they are.

On media coverage -- CNN Vs. Fox:

I cannot believe I am watching CNN.
No! maybe I can…Fox is in the turlet and Erick said that with Cain’s family not being there, the presser did not really put all to bed.
who knew Fox would go crazy?

Actually CNN has a unique opportunity right this minute. With Fox in the tank for Romney CNN could pull a fast one and become the place to be. I think they would need an 8:00 conservative to be opposite Hannity and work on a few of the others but hey, I will watch the truth! Won’t you?

With this kind of sentiment coming from the heart of the right wing's base, it seems that overall opinions on Herm Cain and his suitability as a Presidential candidate are shifting.  It will be interesting to see whether those shifts are reflected in upcoming polling.

In the meantime, this whole thing has to be absolutely maddening to the other GOP candidates and to the party (whatever the GOP is these days.)  This whole story is sucking all the air out of the room...dominating the media with negative news about Republican candidates and making it difficult for competitors to gain any traction as the clock steadily clicks down towards the first primaries in two months.


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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

    by dweb8231 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 08:48:13 AM PST

  •  Michelle Malkin is calling for Block to go.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Kimball Cross

    as is the Daily Caller.

    All is not sunny in Cainville.

    Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

    by Morgan Sandlin on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 08:57:28 AM PST

  •  Aside from the fact that his wife (5+ / 0-)

    is a lifelong Democrat and voted for Obama in '08, it does seem odd that she hasn't been involved in any sense in his campaign. I can understand that she might not want to host events or give speeches but she's not even in the audience at the debates.

    Strange and stranger.

    Trump / Palin 2012: "You're Fired / I Quit"

    by MKSinSA on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 08:58:44 AM PST

    •  I can sort of understand why he hides his family (2+ / 0-)
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      This is all speculation, but from my observation, I notice the right wingers reserve some of their worst bile for Michelle Obama, the girls and the grandmother. Every time Obama has a personal gathering with his relatives, or Michelle Obama takes a personal trip with her personal friends, the right wing is rifed with indignation ("look what they can afford thanks to us") , and the predictable watermelon jokes and thug/ho comments are sure to follow. Cain knows that the teabagger can handle a solitary older black man. But a whole black family (ie. another black family) coming to live in the White House would be to much to stomach for the teabaggers. He knows his audience.

  •  Out of all that blather (5+ / 0-)

    The one really, possibly, revealing bit I caught was this

    With Fox in the tank for Romney

    These dopes still don't get it that Fox is an arm of the Republican party.  It's not a 'conservative leaning news network,' as they like to fantasize.  It's a piece of party apparatus.  The Party has chosen Mittens as their nominee so of course Fox has their marching orders;  Sell Mittens to the dopes.  The fact that some of them, sensing this, would spit out some of their usual dose of pablum is very telling.  

    What would be nice at this point would be if there were actually another candidate in the GOP primary race.  As it is, there isn't another horse for these dullards to hitch their cart to.  If they felt like they had a shot with a more Pure wingnut than Mittens, they would really feel the sting when he gets foisted up there as their nominee anyway.  Im actually disappointed that Perry didn't do better.  If only Palin were truly the rebel she plays on tv...  

    The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it. -Muadib

    by Sun dog on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 09:00:16 AM PST

  •  When any wingnut has lost Eric Erikson... (2+ / 0-)
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    followyourbliss, TomP know the wingnut's campaign is burnt toast.

    Even Erikson was incredulous on CNN last night regarding Cain.  It's rare that I've seen Erikson speechless, but that's almost where he was after the Cain presser.

    We're resigned to our collective fate because we've been conditioned and brainwashed to believe that this is as good as it gets. It's not.

    by Richard Cranium on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 09:01:38 AM PST

  •  Good reporting. (0+ / 0-)

    Will you edit and add the link for the comments.  Thanks.

    If this doesn't end Cain's campaign, it will be a horrible setback to the whole issue for harrassment on the job.

    It's interesting coincidence that his campaign coincided with the 20th anniversary of the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas hearings.

    Life can be stranger than fiction.

    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

    by War on Error on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 09:03:17 AM PST

    •  Oops...good point. (0+ / 0-)

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 09:08:00 AM PST

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    •  I noted to someone yesterday... (2+ / 0-)
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      that the whole tone of Cain's response to these charges is almost a mirror image of the strategy used by Clarence Thomas.

      Thomas got away with it and it appears Cain thinks an aggressive attack on his accusers will produce similar results, but I don't think that is going to be the case.  

      In this situation, the number of accusers is larger and Cain isn't getting the kind of support Thomas got from his Senatorial "sponsors".

      There are rumors circulating of a press conference at which all or most of his accusers may present their stories and that I think, could be a major blow....especially if there is a pattern among women who had not, until now, compared notes.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 09:16:40 AM PST

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  •  I read the Cain scandal thread on Rapture Forum (4+ / 0-)
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    TomP, MKSinSA, dougymi, Gary Norton

    and except for a few who are waiting for more info, they're behind Cain and are certain it's all a put-up job by the Obama administration.

    They think Obama and democrats are afraid of Cain.

    Lea: "You're not going to fly into an asteroid field, are you?" Han Solo: "They'd be crazy to follow us, wouldn't they?"

    by Kimball Cross on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 09:04:20 AM PST

  •  I never new Redstate could be so rational! (1+ / 0-)
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    Whether the woman accusing Mr Cain is a personal wreck is really quite irrelevant to the allegations. The party affiliation of her legal counsel is similarly irrelevant. If this is the tack that Herman Cain is taking, then he will lose and deserves to lose.

    Whoa.  Rational, and dare I say...Progressive?

    We do not forgive. We do not forget. The whole world is watching.

    by Tracker on Wed Nov 09, 2011 at 10:09:01 AM PST

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