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You can't say they're not determined. The Columbus Dispatch reports that "tea party activists" are mounting a drive to get a measure on next November's ballot titled the "Workplace Freedom Amendment," which is a new spin on the more common but also deceptive name for such bills: right to work. That's right: Just days after an attempt to take collective bargaining rights from one set of workers—public employees—failed spectacularly, these "tea party activists" are trying to revive the corpse and give it the added power to take workplace rights from all workers in the state.

Plunderbund's ModernEsquire points out something the Dispatch doesn't get to until five paragraphs into its article: One of the "activists" involved in the push is a former state representative and is now director of government affairs for the Associated Builders and Contractors of Ohio. That's a particularly anti-union construction business lobby that gave large contributions to supporting Issue 2. In other words, while tea party efforts are rarely as populist as the media likes to portray them being, even by those standards this is a pretty directly corporate campaign.

Proponents of this right to work (for less) bill are using the traditional language of "forced unionization," which of course ignores the fact that no one in any state can be forced to join a union; they can only be forced to pay their fair share of the costs of negotiating and administering their contracts. But because collective bargaining rights are so popular in Ohio, proponents of the new anti-worker measure are apparently talking about "the right to bargain individually." ModernEsquire asks:

Why can’t these folks just draft the proposal for what it really is “a constitutional amendment banning collective bargaining.”  Why the deceptive language?  If they honestly thought the people of Ohio shared their political views, why be so indirect about it.

Obviously, they hope to mislead, fear-monger and obfuscate. But doing it on exactly the issue that just got shot down in your state by a huge margin and which by all indications has energized voters against the politicians that pushed it? That shows a lot of nerve and no shame—but mostly it shows how high anti-worker and anti-union efforts are on the right's list of priorities.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 02:42 PM PST.

Also republished by In Support of Labor and Unions, KasichWatch, and Daily Kos.

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  •  Rachel Maddow so aptly put this phrase... (20+ / 0-)

    ...on proposals like this one "Right to work for less."

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 02:51:06 PM PST

  •  If I were a GOPer in Ohio (18+ / 0-)

    I'd do my best to squash this stuff.

    It only inflames the voting base and inspires GOTV for people who will vote against anything and anybody with an R.  Have they forgotten already that they got smashed 2 to 1 against?

    Sometimes there is so much writing, you need a bigger wall.

    by pucklady on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 02:52:17 PM PST

    •  Right on, pucklady (0+ / 0-)

      This is actually good news for Dems. Just like R's like to put anti-abortion or other "social conservative" measures up to increase turnout of their base, it's always good to have propopals that get our people out to the polls and that we KNOW are going to lose.

    •  I wonder if the Ohio GOP will do this (1+ / 0-)
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      or at least try. In 2006, Ken Blackwell wanted to put TABOR on the ballot, which he apparently thought was going to help him win the governorship that year somehow (he had a lot of crazy ideas). The Ohio Republican Party pressured him to drop it, thinking it would be politically toxic (It turned out Blackwell was politically toxic enough on his own).

      Unfortunately for the Ohio GOP, I think they have less control over the Tea Party than over their own gubernatorial candidate. All that putting this on the ballot will do is remind all the labor union supporters who may have previously voted Republican — all those police officers and firefighters - why they don't want to do so again.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 12:20:39 PM PST

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  •  "Right to Work" is actually "Right to be fired at (22+ / 0-)

    will with or without cause, and without appeal, protest or any other form of recourse.  Your employer has all the rights, you have none.

    The community of fools might be small were it not such an accomplished proselytizer.

    by ZedMont on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 02:53:39 PM PST

  •  Do these teaheads have a political... (11+ / 0-)

    ...death wish or what? Or are they really THAT determined to throw Ohio to President Obama on a silver platter? Do they not understand that no Republican (yes, no Republican) has ever won the presidency without Ohio? Seems like past due to saner Republicans (if there are any) to rein in these nutheads and bring some sanity back to their party.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 02:53:42 PM PST

    •  None (7+ / 0-)

      There are no more sane people left in the "Republican" Party.  We all left long ago and are now hell bent on destroying what they improperly call the "Republican" Party.

    •  They're Out to Destroy Progressivism, Not Nece- (11+ / 0-)

      ssarily to win every election for every seat every time.

      Public radio reporters I heard earlier in the year said most of the elements of Issue 5[2] that went down yesterday have support in the state so we have to expect it will essentially all pass in the coming year or two.

      The sane Republicans belong to the Democratic Party which is why it was labor not so much Democrats who pulled off the big repeal yesterday and Occupy is in the streets everywhere.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 03:02:58 PM PST

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      •  Gooserock, once again, that is incorrect (1+ / 0-)
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        Maybe you were listening to Rush Limbaugh?

        In fact, ONE provision in SB 5 (of the commonly known ones — there were hundreds of provisions, many of them even worse) polled widespread public support and that one was based on a lie that the pro-SB 5 people were spreading. It was the provision requiring a certain level on contribution to pension funds and health insurance by workers - the level that some 90 % current contribute at or higher. The pro SB 5 campaign was habitually implying (or flat out saying) public workers contributed nothing so of course this was popular. It's all B.S.

        There wasn't any other provision that polled favorably.

        It's also incorrect to say it was "labor not so much Democrats" who pulled off repeal. Untrue. if either side had been removed from the equation, SB 5 would likely have not been repealed.

        Finally, I think it's a dubious project to say that "it will essentially all pass in the next year or two." Disagree. I think there are just enough Republicans thinking about their own skins and their own hands on the levers of power that they will do everything to avoid this and spend the next year talking about requiring strip clubs to post the Ten Commandments or day-care centers to stock guns in their playroom or some such tripe.

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 12:27:12 PM PST

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    •  There are very few "sane" Republicans left (2+ / 0-)
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      They all defected to independent or Democratic party.

      Which explains some things for Dems as well.

      "...You know why their symbol is the letter 'D'? Because it's a grade that means 'good enough, but just barely.' You know why the Republican symbol is 'R'? Because it's the noise a pirate makes when he robs you and feeds you to a shark." Bill Maher

      by wrights on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 09:45:47 AM PST

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    •  They apparently have a ton of money to waste (0+ / 0-)

      They must think that forcing the labor unions to spend money fighting these battles prevents them from giving money to Dem candidates.  

      Looks like the plan is backfiring.

      "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" Eleanor Roosevelt

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 10:53:45 AM PST

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      •  Unfortunately for the GOP (1+ / 0-)
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        having such issues on the ballot will cause people to vote for those Democratic candidates. It will be worth more than money if Sherrod Brown has the chance to publicly state at every opportunity  that he opposes "right to work."

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 12:28:22 PM PST

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  •  I Got a Republican Robocall This Morning the Morng (12+ / 0-)

    after their big defeat here in Ohio.

    Conservatives' sole response is escalation.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 03:04:06 PM PST

  •  Tea Party (5+ / 0-)
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    The Columbus Dispatch reports that "tea party activists" are mounting a drive to get a measure on next November's ballot titled the "Workplace Freedom Amendment," which is a new spin on the more common but also deceptive name for such bills: right to work.

     Any union member who supports the Tea Party, now that they have shown their true colors, should be kicked out of their union, so someone who supports the union can join. I know that will never happen, but I can dream of a just world.

    Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

    by Dirtandiron on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 03:12:55 PM PST

  •  lessons on NLRB / Boeing /South Carolina. (9+ / 0-)

    Wrong About Right-to-Work

    In a recent Economic Policy Institute briefing paper, economists Elise Gould and Heidi Shierholz looked closely at the differences in compensation between right-to-work and non-right-to-work states. Controlling for the demographic and job characteristics of workers as well as state-level economic conditions and cost-of-living differences across states, they found that in 2009:

       

    Wages were 3.2% lower in right-to-work states vs. non-right-to-work states–about $1,500 less annually for a full-time, year-round worker.

        The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance was 2.6 percentage points lower in right-to-work states compared with non-right-to-work states.

        The rate of employer-sponsored pensions was 4.8 percentage points lower in right-to-work states. On top of that, in 2008 the rate of workplace deaths was 57% higher in right-to-work states than non-right-to-work states, while the 2009,poverty rate in right-to-work states averaged 15.0%, considerably above the 12.8% average for non-right-to-work states

    .

    DeMint states he wants "freedom" for the people of SC -- i think he just wants big business to have the freedom to walk all over the working class and the freedom to pollute.

    what kind of freedom will the working class families have if they have to have several jobs to make ends meet???

    Faux News ruined my state

    by sc kitty on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 03:22:31 PM PST

    •  Big business says that regulation of any kind (0+ / 0-)

      safety, water and air pollution violates their "property rights".  I happen to believe that limiting the ability of corporate interests to pollute the water we drink, the air we breathe and not to despoil our natural areas is a property right for the 310 million of us who are not industiralists or billionaires.  Another way to say this is that the 99 per cent have property rights as well.  And we are not going to give them up.

      It's our property they are taking with excessive fees for the services they provide, or the near zero interest rates they offer for our own demand deposits.  Recently I had over $10 k in a savings account at a large bank and "earned" less than a dollar for one month, and in fact, that account paid less than $10 interest for an entire year, yet the same bank had no problem charging 18 per cent interest on credit card debt.  Go figure.

      Back to topic.  If they want to put an issue guaranteed to bring every Democratic voter to the polls in November 2012, and they want to prove to some recently traditional Republican voting blocs (police and fire fighters) then keep going after their unions.

      Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

      by Ohiodem1 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 03:25:38 PM PST

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  •  Look at it differently (1+ / 0-)
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    Lower wages are GOOD if you are a taxpayer paying out those wages, or a consumer paying for wages as a part of the cost of products and services.

    The appeal is insidious.

    I'd go back to Abe Lincoln's rhetoric about 'wage slaves' and I'd go on the attack with "Freedom and Democracy in the Workplace" and "Make us Competitive By Giving Us What Germany Has That Keeps Them on Top:  Labor Reps in Management, Universal Healthcare, Higher Standards, More Equitable Distribution of Profits".....

    Sheesh, I'm no wordsmith, but you get the idea.

  •  Here's an AP story on this... (3+ / 0-)
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    GOP: Guardians of the One Percent

    by here4tehbeer on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 03:43:47 PM PST

  •  OK, so what are unions (1+ / 0-)
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    COBALT1928

    planning?  More defense, or will there be some offense?

    Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.

    by David Kaib on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 04:07:16 PM PST

  •  Edited the tag. Right to work is a misnomer. (1+ / 0-)
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    COBALT1928

    It's the right to work for less pay and benefits.

    An honest heart being the first blessing, a knowing head is the second..Jefferson's Letter to Peter Carr

    by JugOPunch on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 04:21:15 PM PST

  •  Actually You Know what... (1+ / 0-)
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    SLKRR

    If Dems were smart about this, they would start a petition to get the exact same bill back on the agenda for next year's elections.  

    Same wording as the one that was defeated.

    That way labor and everyone will turn out in massive droves to defeat the bill AND to re-elect Obama in Ohio.  

    It will give the base a major reason to turnout and help Obama win the Presidency since Ohio is a major swing state.

    •  Dems don't need to do this (0+ / 0-)

      This right to work bill is the same only even broader. And because of that, THIS amendment will bring everyone out in massive droves. Dems can sit back and let the Tea Party do their work for them. If the Tea party succeeds with this amendment, it will do just what you say: reelect Obama, Sherrod Brown and other Democrats. Democrats don't need to waste their time.

      Hi, Tea Party! Thanks!

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 12:32:21 PM PST

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  •  Do they really want to go there? (5+ / 0-)

    I don't think they understand how this works.  

    I get that they want to get rid of organized labor (all of it, not just public sector!) because it gives a big lift to Dems (particularly the "organized" part), but that works both ways.  In a year when liberals/progressives and workers are feeling (more than) a little disappointed and/or disillusioned, the GOP wants to pi$$ off the unions so that all those liberals and progressives will be energized to support union rights.  As long as they're at the polls, why not vote for Obama and other Dems while they're at it?

    These folks aren't very smart, are they?

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 05:59:36 PM PST

  •  I think it is unlikely that they can get 231,000 (1+ / 0-)
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    valid signatures in time to get it on the ballot.

    A recent effort by right wingers just to qualify to put a social wedge issue on the ballot took six weeks and failed to come up with the 1000 valid sigs needed to start the 90 day clock running.  They had to go back and get more signatures, and the last I heard, they still weren't there.

    Oh, well.

    Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

    by Ohiodem1 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 07:40:01 PM PST

    •  Actually, they need almost 400,000 (1+ / 0-)
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      and they have until next July.

      This is different. It's a repeal referendum for which you need 231,000 and have 90 days (or less if the Republicans are playing games. For a constitutional amendment, the rules are different, as we just saw with Issue 3 which was kicking around for a year without the signatures it needed until the state GOP got on board and kicked it over the top, thinking it would bring out the wingnut vote needed to counter the SB 5 repeal (Ha ha! How'd that work out, suckers?)

       The social wedge issue you are thinking of is Personhood, but they are resubmitting their petition-language petitions which will probably eventually be accepted, and they have nearly six months to get the signatures. They may have lost momentum with the Mississippi vote, however. And from what I hear there is internicine war going on in the Ohio anti-choice movement, with the batshit insane extremists trying to take over the more established Ohio Right-to-Life because they balked in their support for the clearly unconstitutional Heartbeat Bill being pushed by the dominionist theocrats. so it's unclear who exactly will get behind it or organize petition circulation, and whether they will have the resources, or even which side will be helped by the Mississippi vote.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 12:38:26 PM PST

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  •  If this is on the ballot (or even if it isn't) (3+ / 0-)
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    let's punish the GOP everywhere on the ballot, not just at the top. Given how unpopular Kasich is already, this language would make 2012 a great year to pick up legislature seats or anything else that's up for election in Ohio during presidential years.

    Male, 21, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02

    by fearlessfred14 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 at 08:24:19 PM PST

  •  Researching the viability of making Ohio (3+ / 0-)
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    bigrivergal, TrueBlueDem, COBALT1928

    a right to collectively bargain state by State Constitutional Ammendment.

    All I need is lots of good attorneys and the money to pay them with.  Well, it's a start, I'm not the only one thinking along these lines, and the conversations I've had so far have been pretty promising.

    'You want a job, don't you?' - Herman "Koch" Cain, "The Audacity of Grope"

    by thenekkidtruth on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 09:35:01 AM PST

    •  Could couple that with a minimum wage increase (1+ / 0-)
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      Which is a universally popular measure and difficult for business to distort. Rather than fight to organize work locations individually, give the most vulnerable a boost all at once. $10/hr with automatic CPI increase seems like a good place to start.

      (-2.38, -3.28) Independent thinker

      by TrueBlueDem on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 10:07:05 AM PST

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  •  The response to an attempt to (2+ / 0-)
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    "bargain individually" is usually "You and whose army?".

    The union is the army.

    Duh. You'd think even a Tea Brainer would understand that much.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 09:36:05 AM PST

  •  Seems dictatorial and anti-democratic (3+ / 0-)
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    to me.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 09:48:19 AM PST

  •  Let the right wing fanatics continue... (2+ / 0-)
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    with their extreme agenda. This will continue to remind moderates and independents what the liberals and progressives already know: A vote for GOP is a vote AGAINST the 99%.

  •  Ah, yes. Genius. (3+ / 0-)
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    What America needs are poorer workers, sicker workers, and more powerful employers.

    Hell, while we're at it, let's eliminate the minimum wage, OSHA, and employee benefits altogether.

  •  This losers will never give up, which means we (4+ / 0-)
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    Can never give up, we'll contest them anywhere and any place. The good news about this is, it'll only fire up our side even more for next year's election.

  •  These folks are taking a page from the anti-choice (2+ / 0-)
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    playbook. They will keep trying to chisel away worker rights until there are no rights at all. We must be ever vigilant, and not let the right-to-work-for-less crowd push collective bargaining rights off the table. If anything, we need to push for increased right, such as card check.

    •  As Sarah Conner might say: (0+ / 0-)
      Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly
                      so clear.  The Terminator would never stop, it
                      would never leave him... it would always be
                      there.
  •  It's remarkably foolish for them to try this in a (2+ / 0-)
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    presidential year. If it wwould have any chance (verrrry
    doubtful0 it would be in an offyear period.

  •  This should be so illegal.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ........so let's see: if I'm an anti-union employer, and I can give a promotion either to someone paying his dues or someone not paying his dues, what do you think I'm going to do?

    No one ever created a vibrant economy by building houses for each other. Houses are built because there is a vibrant economy.

    by Doug in SF on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 10:08:03 AM PST

  •  For pity sake. (0+ / 0-)
    “It’s a ship without sailors. It’s a brigade without bullets. It’s an air wing without enough trained pilots,” Panetta said. “It’s a paper tiger.”

    This argument is a big fail as long as the Pentagon continues its relentless hardware buying programs. Instead of new ballistic missile submarines, new generation super aircraft carriers, new $130 million fighter jets, etc., spend the budget on sailors and pilots, spend the money on people, but make do with the planes and ships we already have. "Make do" is the budget strategy nearly everyone else in the country had adopted.

    “But lest there be any doubt, the idea that the death penalty is fairly and rationally imposed in this country is a farce.” Boyce F. Martin, Jr.

    by tomwfox on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 10:14:51 AM PST

  •  Good idea (1+ / 0-)
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    TofG

    I think I'll go to the CEO of the corporation I work for and individually bargain with him. I'll get back to you later and tell you how it went.

    A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.- Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by shoeless on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 10:18:59 AM PST

  •  Well, they know one group who will support it. (0+ / 0-)

    The retired union teabaggers will be behind this proposal all the way.

    A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.- Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by shoeless on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 10:22:46 AM PST

  •  There are a lot of people here who hate unions (1+ / 0-)
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    The GOP pushes these measures because they can. The public union issue failed because it was personal for a lot of people. They didn't want to see their wages or their families' wages lowered. It got huge support because government is the largest employer in the state.

    NOW...

    A Right to Work bill would be different. There are very few private sector unions left here. In a perfect world, those that supported the defeat of the public union attacks would line up for this one. I assure you, though, that will not be the case.

    We're a right leaning state with a severe case of brain drain. The only liberal positions are defensive ones (like Issue 2). Meanwhile, while we're fighting off attacks on unions, the other side sneaks in and takes down Obamacare provisions.

    For once, I'd like to see a ballot initiative that goes on the attack for workers rights, for health care or for sensible government policies.  

    •  Except (0+ / 0-)

      that right to work would affect the public AND private sector unions so we're talking an even LARGER pool than that affected by SB 5. I think maybe you misunderstood that. And the private sector unions came out in droves to fight SB 5 because they got that. The backlash against this is going to be even bigger.

      Also, correction: Ohio is emphatically NOT a "right leaning state." Based on vote, it is right smack in the middle, but position by position, it tends to be liberal (which is typical — people like liberal positions better than they like liberals).

      Also we did not "take down Obamacare." First, we can't so that was an empty vote. Second, I am sure most voters had no idea they were even voting on "Obamacare." The ballot language was dishonest and misleading.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 12:44:05 PM PST

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  •  Now is the time (0+ / 0-)

    For the Unions to start a competing amendment to the state constitution that will enshrine the right to organize and collectively bargain.

    Show the opposition as the same crowd who brought you SB2, Stop these repeated efforts once and for all by passing a Collective Bargaining Rights amendment.  

    Get Cracking, or you'll end up with right to work...for less in your state.  

    BTW:  Watch for some amendment that makes it harder to amend the constitution right behind this, it's what they did in Nevada, the first state to pass Right to Work ... For less.

    ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

    by NevDem on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 11:00:32 AM PST

  •  we need to make viral (0+ / 0-)

    that graph that shows the correlation between the drop in wages nationwide alongside the decrease in union jobs.

    ed schultz highlighted it the other day.

    our one demand? return what was stolen.

    by stolen water on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 11:02:58 AM PST

  •  Same as yesterday: They do not ever go away (0+ / 0-)

    They're like roaches in that sense.  Once they infest, they just keep coming.  If you run them out the front door, they try to sneak in the back door.

    Look at the effort to do away with abortion rights:  Have they ever given up?  They will keep coming as long as there are donations to be had and political positions to be bought.

    Anyone remember the John Birch Society?  I grew up laughing at them to their faces, especially when William Buckley booted them out of the conservative movement.  Or, at least he thought he did.  As of a couple of years ago, they are now a welcome sponsor of CPAC.

    •  I don't think the republican party wants... (1+ / 0-)
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      to do away with abortion rights.  It's just a good wedge issue.  You know they don't get a shit, they never want to help with poor children once they're born.  

      •  You know, I have been hearing this argument (0+ / 0-)

        for years and I think it's bred complacency and the fact that women are not yet alarmed by the wholesale assault on their rights. And I believe it's false. if it were a "good wedge issue," then they'd campaign on it and do nothing, or just make noises. Instead, they never uttered a word about it during the campaign — it was all jobs, all the time — but after getting in office, they introduced a raft of onerous anti-choice bills, ten in all, some of which have passed, and some of which are the most extreme we have ever seen.

        The absolutely definitely bet you bottom dollar intend to outlaw abortion — AND birth control. These people hate women, don't ever doubt that.

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Nov 11, 2011 at 12:46:57 PM PST

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  •  gop whined about union dollars... (1+ / 0-)
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    fighting to repeal SB5  By God that's what I would expect a union to use our money to fight an issue like this.  That's one of the reasons we paid union dues, to protect our best interests.  
    I realize this is a concept foreign to republicans - to help American workers instead of the rich.  

  •  This will probably guarentee Obama the state (2+ / 0-)
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    If this was on the ballot all the unions would get voters to the polls. No reason that this would be any more popular than SB5.
    My guess is the national republican party will try to stop this thing from getting on the ballot.

  •  Here's the ALEC "Model Legislation" they will use (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Bring. It. On. (1+ / 0-)
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    This is actually very good news for Obama. If this measure makes it to the ballot it will only help bring Labor out to vote. In a year when Obama was looking to have trouble getting Democrats and Labor excited about voting for him, the "tea party" is about to energize his base.

  •  If I were Frank Luntz... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...or nearly as smart, well-educated and morally-mobile I might be inclined to re-brand "Right to Work" laws as "Right to Shit-can for No Reason and with No Explanation" laws.  But, alas, I am none of the things the great Luntz is.  Guess I'll have to settle for being one of the little people.

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