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This is totally unacceptable behavior for a major media outlet. From Gawker:

On today's edition of nationally syndicated Public Radio International program To The Point, host Warren Olney chose to tackle the Penn State child rape scandal by devoting an entire show to the subject of whether or not gays and lesbian couples would make fit foster and adoptive parents.

What's the connection? The fact that Jerry Sandusky had "adopted many children and took in foster children" over the years. (Listen to it here.)

Completely and totally unacceptable news hook.

I posted this story last night. I pulled it over some concerns about the contact information. Olney has since issued a statement (not even a non-apology apology). background, update after the fold.

The LGBT community braced for the bigotry brigade to come out in full force when the Penn State coach was arrested on child molestation charges. It's a little surprising to find that public radio was the outlet that gave them their platform.

But, let's be clear on a few things.

Jerry Sandusky is not a gay man. He is married to a woman. I don't know, maybe he's gay and maybe Marcus Bachmann helped him pray his gay away and this is how those stories end up. But he is not a member of the LGBT community that Olney is demonizing with this story. Like most pedophiles, Sandusky was heterosexual.

What Jerry Sandusky did has nothing to do with love and sexuality and has everything to do with rape and abuse of power.

Pedophiles are sick people who prey on the vulnerable.

Wouldn't a better topic for the show have been, "Should people in heterosexual marriages be allowed to adopt?"

This is bad enough that Olney has decided to link the Sandusky story to the LGBT community's struggle for equal family rights.

But it gets worse.

To discuss this story Olney invited Jerry Cox, president of Arkansas' Family Council to opine on gay people's fitness to parent. Cox wasted no time equating child rapists with loving couples that wish to raise children:

"I find it interesting that we talk about the Penn State situation, and then when we talk about people who claim to have these rights to adopt or foster; in both cases, the children's rights get put in second place. If you give the rights to the adults, the children will be compromised."

Cox's opinions on LGBT people are as worthless as John Boehner's assurances he'll bargain in good faith with the Democrats.

In May of this year, Cox explained that California recognizing Harvey Milk Day would "require" school children to participate in "homosexual weddings and cross-dressing:

Children will be required to participate in exercises that honor Milk, which could include mock homosexual "weddings" and cross-dressing contests, as well as writing or reading activities. The pro-family leader decides that public schools are failing to promote good role models for students.
Kids forced to cross-dress in school to celebrate civil rights hero Harvey Milk? It's nonsense. Pure 100% bullshit that Cox pulled out of his ass. It's fear-mongering, hate and lies.

Cox and his organization were behind the ballot measure passed in 2008 that restricted adoption rights in the State of Arkansas. It was a very thinly veiled attempt to leave LGBT families with no legal adoption options. The Arkansas Supreme Court correctly found the law "infringes upon the fundamental right to privacy guaranteed to all citizens of Arkansas,” and struck it down in April of this year.

As GLAAD reminds us, the facts are entirely clear on LGBT people's fitness to parent:

According to the American Psychological Association Policy Statement on Sexual Orientation, Parents & Children, "there is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation per se impairs psychological functioning. Second, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation."

This is not ok for public radio personalities to feature bigots who spew lies about LGBT people and unjustly equate the LGBT community to pedophiles.

Yesterday, I briefly posted this story, and suggested folks call NPR. This program is actually produced by Public Radio International, some of PRI's better known shows include This American Life with Ira Glass and The Tavis Smiley Show. NPR-managed stations do run Olney's shows, so NPR may well be an appropriate target to lodge complaints, but not perhaps the best focus.

The story was moving quickly and today, GLAAD has reached out and secured the promise of an on air apology for Monday. Olney also issued a statement on the KCRW website, which still includes the headline After Penn State: Foster Care and Who Makes a Good Parent? It was also posted moments ago to PRI's Faceboook Page. People can leave comments on that page. One can leave comments to To The Point at KCRW's page.

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding of today’s “To the Point.” We had no intention of confusing the issues of child abuse and same-sex adoption. We apologize to anyone who drew that conclusion.

Here’s how I introduced the program:

“Allegations of child sex abuse have destroyed the carefully cultivated image of Penn State’s football team and brought down the university’s administration.

They’ve also exposed once more the vulnerability of children—when a sexual predator can hide behind the façade of an institution bent on protecting its reputation.

Foster children were assigned to former coach Jerry Sandusky’s care--even though charges against him were investigated for years.

With 500,000 children desperate for loving homes, we’ll look at efforts to widen the pool of available parents. Should gays and lesbians qualify? “

Regardless of some characterizations, here’s what the program contained:

An update on the Penn State child abuse scandal, including the head of Philadelphia’s Support Center for Child Advocates, who deplored the fact that a well known figure, backed by a popular institution, was able to receive foster children even when it was known that child-abuse allegations were being made against him;

A gay man in a same-sex marriage with an adopted daughter who pointed out that couples such as his, who can provide loving families that troubled children need, are in many places denied that opportunity because of discrimination based on gender;

The President of Arkansas’ Family Council, who argued that foster or adopted children are better off in traditional families with one male and one female parent;

A Los Angeles County official involved in Foster Care and Adoptions who said same-sex couples are often better able to parent troubled children because of the challenges they have faced in their own lives.

We also reported that US Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, D-New York, has introduced the “Every Child Deserves a Family Act,” which would deny public funding to agencies that discriminate against LGBT parents. It is opposed by the Arkansas Family Council.

The mission of “To the Point” is to conduct frank and timely discussions of controversial issues.

Thank you,

Warren Olney


This is an unacceptable response. We just "misunderstood" his journalistic brilliance. His statement of explanation is arrogant, shows no acknowledgment of the journalistic malpractice he has committed and not a trace of contrition.

This does not even qualify for non-apology apology. He doesn't even throw in the obligatory "I'm sorry if someone was offended."

In fact we misunderstood nothing. The Penn State scandal is a completely inappropriate news hook to use as a segue to discuss LGBT adoption rights. We understood exactly what he was doing: he attempted to present LGBT people in the worst possible prejudicial light, as child rapists, and then lead the conversation to what legal rights LGBT people should have.

He clearly does not see the error he made and is not the least sorry.

It is the equivalent of doing this:

"Today we learned Susan Smith drown her two adorable small children in a lake. Which again raises the question, should all heterosexual people be sterilized? Let's discuss both sides of this controversy."

GLAAD says:

"Attempting to link these two completely unrelated issues isn't just bad journalism, it's dangerous,” said Mike Thompson, Acting President of GLAAD. “The perpetuation of these myths damages the hundreds of thousands of healthy children being raised by loving gay and lesbian couples today."

On Monday's show, Olney should use the opportunity to not only apologize but to tell his viewers the unequivocal truth about gay and lesbian families.

Further, Olney should explain why anti-gay guest Jerry Cox was given a platform to spread hurtful and untrue misinformation if the show’s intention was to shine light on gay and lesbian couples being denied the opportunity to adopt.

Given the defamatory content, KRCW and PRI should also pull this episode from the show's website.


One can reach PRI at their webpage here, which includes this information:
phone: 612.338.5000

We value your feedback!

If you'd like to submit a comment about something you've heard, do it on our Facebook page.


I think our community should take them up on that. A flood of Facebook complaints might get them to take this more seriously, and motivate them to do more than issue a non-apology apology.

PRI is on Twitter as well: @pri.

Olney's primary employer, KCRW can be contacted here.



Update 1: PhotobucketHank Plante, a Bay Area reporter for years at the CBS affilate left these harsh words on KCRW's To The Point Facebook wall:
As someone who has spent 30 years as a TV reporter in San Francisco and Los Angeles, I can't tell you how offended I was to hear someone I respect as much as Warren link a discussion of pedophilia at Penn State to the subject of LGBT adoption. No matter how thinly you slice the rationale for associating those two subjects, the message went out to listeners that they go together. His "family values" guest was only too happy to perpetuate the link which KCRW initiated. It is the kind of discussion that Fox News has become famous for: creating a false premise -- a false connection between subjects -- and then getting "both sides" so as to appear Fair And Balanced.

It's not far from the days when reporters would do a story on African-American civil rights and being sure to include "the other side" from the Ku Klux Klan.

I'm afraid my favorite radio station played to the cheap seats on this one.

Originally posted to Milk Men And Women on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 08:08 AM PST.

Also republished by Angry Gays.

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    by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 08:08:17 AM PST

  •  Thanks for reposting (33+ / 0-)

    and I can not understand how people do not understand the difference between Homosexual and Pedophile.
    IF you are of the same sex of the person you are attracted to, you are gay.
    If you commit sexual acts on a child, you are a pedophile.

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    by snoopydawg on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 08:18:51 AM PST

  •  Yes, it would... (48+ / 0-)
    Wouldn't a better topic for the show have been, "Should people in heterosexual marriages be allowed to adopt?"

    But when a heterosexual screws up, his behavior reflects on himself. If a gay person screws up, it reflects on all LGBTs. Its the same for White and non-White. Its the privilege of being in the majority. The actions of any one majority member does nothing to question the legitimacy of the power/rights imbalance while the actions of any one minority member are used to legitimize the power/rights imbalance.

  •  Let me get this straight (37+ / 0-)

    A married heterosexual devout christian coach molests some boys and that makes Olney think about gays adopting.

    Makes perfect sense.

    The same kind of sense that I made when I told the fundraiser that I no longer contribute to public radio - and why.

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    by tiponeill on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 08:28:22 AM PST

  •  Warren Olney has always been a right-wing toad (27+ / 0-)

    His shows are the worst ever- always stacked with Heritage, AEI and Cato shills.

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    by Karl Rover on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 08:32:02 AM PST

    •  Thanks - somehow missed your info before (8+ / 0-)

      I posted my question.  That clarifies things a lot.

    •  Sorry, that's bullshit (3+ / 0-)
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      Sure, he always has conservative shills on -- but as part of a two-or-more sided DISCUSSION.  Olney's always been a real journalist.  

      •  Apparently his journalistic training failed him (17+ / 0-)

        perhaps due to a blind spot known as homophobia, if he can't see how far he strayed from good journalism on this topic. A position his statement defending the piece makes clear.

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        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:27:36 AM PST

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        •  Show me evidence of his homophobia (1+ / 0-)
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          In all the years I've listened to him there's been NONE.  If you'll notice, he chose to highlight the actual CONTENT of the show as his rebuttal.  But have you listened to that before deciding he's a homophobe?  

          No?  

          Believe it or not, sometimes people just make mistakes.  

          •  I meant "have you listened to the show itself". (1+ / 0-)
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            •  I just did! (4+ / 0-)

              Let me tell you that the correlation of pedophilia and gay adoption that Warren Olney presented was offensive.  My body froze; I actually tensed-up when the transition occurred from a conversation about Sandusky's reputation within the State College community as a suspected pedophilie to gay adoptions and foster care.  There was NO basis for the transition. There was no explanation why a conversation on gay adoptions would be correlated to Sandusky's pedophilia.  The transition occurred as a seamless, normal discussion of pedophilia.  
              I will tell you that I found the discussion of gay adoptions to be a postive one, but how is it justifiable to have such a discussion in correlation to pedophilia?  It is disappointing that such a correlation occurred.  It is disappointing that you defend it!  

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              by ChiTownDenny on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 01:12:16 PM PST

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              •  I'm disappointed too! (1+ / 0-)
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                I don't condone or defend the 'correlation'.  It was sloppy and dumb.  What I reject is the notion that this marks Olney as a right wing tool or homophobe, when based on my knowledge of him and his show for the past twenty years is NOT TRUE, and I think you'd agree that the content of the show you listened to proves that.  

                It's not the stupid hook I'm defending, it's the idea that it's any more than an ill-thought out and presented hook for the show which you yourself have already said was a positive discussion.  

                That's all.  

          •  that is one hell of a "people just make mistakes" (9+ / 0-)

            Just sayin'.

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            by Mortifyd on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:47:03 AM PST

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            •  And of course... (7+ / 0-)

              The 'just makes mistakes" ends up slurring gays. There's about zero chance his mistakes will target straights.

            •  ummm...there are way way worse ones. just sayin'. (0+ / 0-)
              •  if you want to race to the bottom (8+ / 0-)

                be my guest.  But this was not cool and frankly uncalled for.  It's just another attempt to dehumanize GLBT people.

                And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                by Mortifyd on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:47:44 AM PST

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                •  If you want to see at as an 'attempt' rather than (0+ / 0-)

                  a mistake without reviewing the facts, then there's nothing I can say other than if you haven't listened to the show or the guy then you can't say with certainty that he's a homophobe bent on hurting you.  If you don't really care to know whether that's really the case, then that's your issue.  

                  •  I'm not gay. I just know bullshit when I hear it. (9+ / 0-)

                    And that was some bullshit.

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                    by Mortifyd on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:14:32 PM PST

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                    •  like I said (0+ / 0-)

                      If you don't care to know whether it really is bullshit or not, that's your issue, gay or not.  

                      •  you are just going to keep doubling down on this (7+ / 0-)

                        aren't you?

                        The man f'ed up bigtime.  Whether it was a single time gaffe or one of a string -  it's not a little thing.  It says something about him and his character - and it STINKS.

                        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                        by Mortifyd on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:23:57 PM PST

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                        •  And I like the way (2+ / 0-)
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                          Mr. "Have you listened to the show itself?" went all "show me the evidence" and saying "with certainty he's a homophobe" over the diarist's comment above while totally failing to carefully read the comment itself! Clark said " perhaps due to a blind spot known as homophobia..." As a gay man, I often think that homophobia is at play when confronted with the type of shit that was featured in this diary. But when I'm not certain that is the case, like clark, I merely say perhaps it played a role. Apparently that is enough to provoke the sad and moronic overreaction you have been responding to, mortify'd.

                          •  There are lots of people who are good progressives (1+ / 0-)
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                            on many or most issues who seem to have blind spots specifically on LGBT topics. Are we not allowed to discuss why that might be?

                            Can we not ask if there is an elephant in the living room?

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 01:52:03 PM PST

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                          •  no argument there. (0+ / 0-)

                            But if you ask, and someone says, 'I've seen elephants, and I don't think that's an elephant -- I know it may look like one, but just take another look', well, maybe that person has a point.

                            It's just as easy to take a look as it is to say someone's 'moronically overreacting'.  

                          •  he's been confronted, his statement (6+ / 0-)

                            that the offended are "confused" followed GLAAD reaching out to him. He still isn't sorry.

                            He now has the opportunity to avail himself of the resources at GLAAD and other orgs to educate himself so he doesn't make any collosal errors like this in the future.

                            Whether he enbraces the opportunity to learn and grow or not will be informative, I think. We'll see.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 02:19:34 PM PST

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                          •  I missed the "perhaps" (0+ / 0-)

                            but caught the other few thousand words, thank you very much.  

                            Give me a break...

                          •  Well, in the comment by clark above (2+ / 0-)
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                            to which you were responding, there weren't a "few thousand" words, only thirty eight and one of the operative ones was perhaps. Nowhere in that comment, or for that matter, the entire diary does clark call Olney a homophobe. Being an outright homophobe and setting up insensitive false equivalencies while perhaps being unconsciously influenced by society's institutionalized homophobia are two different things. Give us all a break...

                          •  Is all this silly parsing necessary??? (0+ / 0-)

                            There were thousands of words in the original post BEFORE the perhaps.  I had been responding to clark well before the 38 word "perhaps"post (thanks for counting btw) and he had made it abundantly clear that he felt Olney's behavior was homophobic or at least homophobe-enabling even if he never said Olney himself was outright.  He was NOT pitching it as a guy who may have been 'unconsciousy influenced', and everyone here knows that.  One little tiny "perhaps" doesn't really balance all the other stuff when it comes pretty far after the fact.      

                            Is all this parsing really necessary?  Is there really any doubt about the issues here?  

                          •  Well, with this, there is certainly (2+ / 0-)
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                            no doubt about your furious backpedaling from your "show me the evidence" that he is a homophobe in your comment above. Look, we all get that Olney is someone you admire. That's fine. So, it is not "silly parsing" to help you understand that Olney is not being called a homophobe by clark. You are correct to point out that clark is saying that Olney's unfortunate presentation of these two non-related topics (i.e., the PSU pedophile scandal and gay adoption) is homophobe-enabling, because it is homophobe-enabling. That is borne out by the hate-mongering "expert" he chose to speak to the false equivalency that Olney insensitively set forth. There is no doubt about that issue. None of that indicates that clark is calling Olney a homophobe, for which YOU demanded that he produce evidence. It was your overreaction that began this exchange. Elsewhere in your comments, you "agreed" with clark that Olney should apologize. For what? People say homophobic things all the time. Some even set up situations which harm LGBT people, unintentionally, but also unintelligently. Some other people, because their ox is gored, accuse diarists of things they are not actually saying, parsed or otherwise. There is no doubt about that issue either.

                  •  rather than discredit yourself (10+ / 0-)

                    By arguing what he did was OK, I think your energy would be better spent throwing Onley a rope to pull himself out of the hole he dug himself into.

                    Write him, tell him you listen to him, admire him, think he's a good guy, and now he needs to act like a good guy, admit his mistake, apolgize and make some admends.

                    Report the truth of LGBT families and the truth of the hate group he hosted would be a good start.

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                    by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:21:30 PM PST

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                    •  I'm not arguing (0+ / 0-)

                      that what he did was ok!  All i'm saying is that it didn't occur in a vacuum, and maybe you should know more about him before condemning him completely.  

                      Sure, press him on this.  Demand an apology or a explanation (which, as I've posted elsewhere, he's already agreed to do on the air as well as host listener comment on the issue.)

                      My only point all along has been, before condemning someone outright, check them out a bit.  

                      •  I haven't "condemned him completely" (2+ / 0-)
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                        Please acknowledge this fact. You can find no examples of my words to back up this accusation.

                        My post is entirely focused on the content of his show and the very poor editorial choices he made that made it indistinguishable from a Fox News or World Nut Daily story on LGBT issues.

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                        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 01:34:15 PM PST

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                        •  Figure of speech (0+ / 0-)

                          not directly aimed at you, more at posters here in a general sense, so no, you haven't 'condemned him completely', and apologies for inferring that you had.  

                          And again, as corroborated by other posters here, if you really  think the content of his show rather than the 'hook' is at issue, then I urge you to actually listen to the show itself if you already haven't.  

                          I wouldn't spend all this time defending the guy if I didn't think he was a good journalist.  Really.  

                          •  The "hook" is the content (1+ / 0-)
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                            He created the hook of "Some married straight guy raped some children at Penn State, hey, let's talk about the gays!"

                            It is but one of his very stupid editorial choices.

                            You seem to understand nothing of dog whistle rhetoric and are entirely focused on your faith in his inherent good character.

                            That he is fundamentally a nice guy will be cold comfort to people gay-bashed because "the child molesting homos had it coming." This is a stereotype Olney did an excellent job reinforcing, intentionally or not, whether by malice or collosal stupidity.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 03:43:10 PM PST

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                          •  Not that it really matters anymore (0+ / 0-)

                            But you could actually just listen to the show.  

                          •  And you could listen to the legions (0+ / 0-)

                            of people who were hurt and offended by his sloppy inflammatory yellow journalism on Friday.

                            Neither of us should hold our breath.

                            I don't want to listen to Christian Dominionists like Jerry Cox spout their bigotry unchallenged on Fox. Why would I want to hear it on public radio?

                            One show was plenty. Several of my gay friends in LA have decided they've heard the last of him, after enjoying him in the past.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:11:59 PM PST

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                          •  Because it doesn't go unchallenged!!! (0+ / 0-)

                            That's what you just won't listen to!  There's actual debate and discussion on the show!  

                            You just don't want to accept that for some reason. And now I understand you're just not interested in learning more.  

                            I won't darken your doorstep any more.  

                          •  The show in question was awful. (2+ / 0-)
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                            I listened to it.

                            I don't care how many good shows he did, this was 100% shameful derogatory indefensible bullshit crap.

                            It's like arguing to forgive the drunk driver because, well, every OTHER night this year he made it home from the bar without running someone over.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:42:51 PM PST

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                          •  You just don't quit, do you? (1+ / 0-)
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                            Warren Olney stepped in it with this insulting, repulsive hook.

                            But you, you're rolling in it.

                            Want more smartass? Read my blog. http://phoenix-rising-reports.blogspot.com/

                            by PhoenixRising on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:48:17 PM PST

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              •  well, enumerate them (2+ / 0-)
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                He's not Pat Robertson or Virginia Foxx or Mike Huckabee?

                Maybe not, but they are definitely raising a glass of toast to Warren tonight.

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                by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 01:48:28 PM PST

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          •  Sorry... (13+ / 0-)

            But if he's such a responsible "journalist", wouldn't it have behooved him to assemble a panel of-- oh, I don't know-- actual experts in the issues at hand?

            Jerry Cox's expertise is in hating LGBTQE citizens. Other than at Liberty University, is there an actual major being offered in Hatin' Teh Gheyz at any accredited US college or university?!

            He's proven himself to be a hater. In ignorance or consciously, it doesn't matter. The damage is done.

            He has tied LGBTQE people to pedophilia in his listeners' minds. Which is something that the media have done for decades and decades. Remember those lovely Health films from the 1950s warning about strangers in Fords with candy...?

            Even given the evidence (cited above) that LGBTQE people are LESS likely to sexually assault children than straight people, the lie continues.

            Warren Ulney broadcast lies that any fool would know could be used against us to deny children loving foster and/or adoptive parents. And he must pay.

            -8.75,-8.00. "Liberal" ain't a dirty word. "Indifferent" IS. Our enemies want us dead. WE WILL VANQUISH THEM.

            by CajunBoyLgb on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:00:37 AM PST

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            •  http://www.pri.org/to-the-point.html (0+ / 0-)

              There it is.  Give a listen and see if he's 'proven himself to be a hater'.  

              •  The issues of sex abuse and foster care are (3+ / 0-)
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                of course legitimate, but lumping in foster care by gays isn't - except to either specifically address anti-gay stereotypes or to reinforce those stereotypes.    On balance, it did far more harm than good.   My impression is that while the host might not be a homophobe, he exercised very poor judgment in moderating the dialog and structuring the program.    The relevant section goes from 21:45 through 44:30.

                Senary Grant of LA County foster care did rebut Jerry Cox's homophobic argument, but the entire treatment was the way the press treats climate change - as if there are two legitimate sides to the debate.    No one pointed out that all of Cox's arguments have no support whatsoever in the statistics or in the science, and have been thoroughly debunked.

                Cox's main point was that only straight married couples should raise children, based on "common sense, thousands of years of history, etc" (all the usual arguments of bigots)..........but Cox didn't recognize the irony that the guy who was raping kids at Penn state is in a heterosexual marriage and has fostered or adopted a number of children.

          •  I get it. (11+ / 0-)

            He's a great guy other than running a story that was blatantly homophobic, filled with lies, liars and misinformation, and pretty universally offended every LGBT person in the country, and has attracted the attention and condemnation of every major LGBT advocacy group.

            Warren will thank you for your support (the LGBT community, not so much). Onley is going to need it.

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            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:02:13 AM PST

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      •  Agree. Although I didn't hear this program (2+ / 0-)
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        I find Olney tackles many difficult national and international economic and political issues with informed guests.  

        He usually does present opposing views, and so does Neal Cohen on TOTN.

        NPR is going to great lengths to prove they are not liberal, as people often claim.

        That said, this juxtaposition of pedophilia and LGBT sexual orientation is despicable.

      •  I think you kind of shot yourself down (4+ / 0-)
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        Sure, he always has conservative shills on

        The two or more sided discussion almost never seems to include the progressive side, and Olney makes it pretty clear which side he's on.

        A man, a plan, a canal, Panama

        by Karl Rover on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:59:01 AM PST

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      •  Because it's just common sense that pedophilia (10+ / 0-)

        and adoption by gay couples are closely related topics, right?    How could anyone think that's anything but good journalism?

  •  Using scandal to gin up outrage against "teh gay" (31+ / 0-)

    Also Sandusky was working w/ "at risk" boys, probably because as a sexual predator, he knew he would be able to gain the boys trust before sodomizing them.

    The rape coverup scandal is strikingly similar to the Catholic Church, both in how people protected the institution and did nothing to the sexual predators they had full knowledge about and also how opportunistic homophobes like Olney brazenly attempted to like pedophilia to homosexuality.

  •  Thanks again, Clark. Excellent, important post. (11+ / 0-)

    These are the crimes of straight people--you could
    probably call them "strait" people and be more to the point.

    Stonewall was a RIOT!

    by ExStr8 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 08:40:13 AM PST

  •  Cause, doncha know, all gays are pedophiles. (10+ / 0-)

    Ordinary political process is dead. The Supreme Court killed it. In Chambers. With a gavel.

    by Publius2008 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 08:46:12 AM PST

  •  I've never heard of this guy. Does he tend to lean (2+ / 0-)
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    conservative?  What's his usual schtick?

    •  I'll get flamed, but Olney's one of the good ones. (5+ / 0-)

      If you're progressive in L.A., you know Olney's work and you know that he's not a homophobe, conservative or asshole.  His show WHICH WAY L.A., which morphed into TO THE POINT, was created as a respone to the L. A. Riots and was one of the first attempts to get at the roots of the city's racial and class divides.  

      His show has ALWAYS tackled really contentious, controversial subjects in a dispassionate way with contributors from across the board.  I totally get the knee-jerk outrage being directed at the hook for this show, but to me it sounds like Olney being a little tone-deaf but with good intentions (note the lineup of guests and positions -- it's a DEBATE) rather than hate-driven opportunism, which would be completely out of character.    

      Those who don't know his work will, unfortunately, only be able to jump to conclusions, but I'm here to tell you -- he's not what this post makes him out to be.  

      •  I am not going to flame you. (13+ / 0-)

        I can accept your defense as a fair characterization of his history, if true. (I can neither confirm or deny it.)

        I do reject the dismissive and condesecding "knee jerk" adject to describe reaction.

        On 12 hours reflection, and his equally tone deaf and wrongheaded defense statement, my reaction is not knee jerk.

        I am angry but that does not blind me to the facts on this incident, neither does a proud history of disccussing other issues provide him with a free pass. He is wrong. He has practiced very sloppy defamatory journalism here.

        And he needs to understand that and apologize sincerely. And he has not.

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        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:44:37 AM PST

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        •  I totally understand your anger, it's well-founded (1+ / 0-)
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          given a cursory examination of what happened.  

          I'm just trying to give you context and say that to the best of my knowledge, we're not dealing with a member of the anti-LGBT cabal.  And you CAN confirm or deny this easily by simply digging up some of his old shows and stream them.  I'm 100% positive he's dealt with LGBT issues many many times.    

          If you want to take the time.  I'm not saying this wasn't sloppy -- but sloppy doesn't equal hate.  I don't really like seeing this guy, who's really done a great amount of service to L.A. and progressive causes, be maligned for one stupid mistake.

          •  if you are interested in defending his reputation (10+ / 0-)

            If you are invested in preserving Onley's good guy image, at least with the LGBT community, rather than waste time and energy arguing with me, I'd suggest you write Ornley tell him to act like a good guy. Tell him you listen to him, admire him and that he made a terrible mistake and he needs to step up and sincerely apologize for it and make some amends.

            Because I absolutely 100% promise you this: I and Gay and Lesbians Alliance Against Defamation and others are not going to back down on this. Because we can not.

            No matter how great you think he is. 

            The LGBT community will always get precisely the media coverage we demand. And we demand better than this. 

            This is a top priority item for the "gay mafia" and there is a pipe aimed for Onley's kneecaps if he doesn't get right real quick. It is WAY bigger than just me.

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            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:38:38 AM PST

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      •  See Above (8+ / 0-)

        I don't buy it.

        Would you assemble a panel to discuss, say, cross-race adoption with participation by the Grand Dragon of the local Ku Klux Klan?

        That's essentially what Ulney did here. Those "Family Council" organizations are Christian hate groups who spread lies about LGBTQE citizens, in pursuite of their ultimate goal: Re-criminalize homosexuality, which pollutes God's grand design for the world. That grand design involves men keeping their women barefoot and constantly pregnant, near as I can tell, but that's anothe rant.

        Ulney fucked this one up badly, and he'd better have a damn good apology ready for having a representative of a hate group lying about LGBTQE citizens' motives for wanting to take care of children who otherwise would have NO ONE caring for them.

        -8.75,-8.00. "Liberal" ain't a dirty word. "Indifferent" IS. Our enemies want us dead. WE WILL VANQUISH THEM.

        by CajunBoyLgb on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:04:46 AM PST

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        •  If you've ever listened to the show (1+ / 0-)
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          you'd get it, I promise you.  Don't believe me?  Fine.  If it really bothers you that much, take the trouble to stream a few of his shows; I guarantee you he's done many shows dealing with LGBT issues and you can judge on the basis of firsthand observation.  

          •  I've heard the show, but it never struck me (2+ / 0-)
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            as the gold standard for clarifying issues. It was various people talking about various things. And conflating Sandusky's pedophilia with gay foster parenting was not a dumb mistake.

            It was flat out evil.

            Olney's reluctance to apologize/explain/rationalize does not make him look anything but stupid/homophobic. Like the Juan Williams/Muslim garb fiasco, these people have been doing this for DECADES, and they don't make mistakes like this after all that time.

  •  Logic need not apply when someone's grasping... (17+ / 0-)

    at innate biases in trying to "prove" a point.

    I expect better from NPR/PRI.

    And I say this as a straight parent who sees dozens examples of lousy parenting almost every day by "conventional" couples who no one calls on the carpet because, after all, we're apparently above reproach in all we do.

    It's sickening that people would exploit the actions of a fucking monster to propagate their own agendas.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 09:13:39 AM PST

  •  But Olney didnt hold a poster at OWS (3+ / 0-)

    He's in the clear with NPR, thank FSM.

  •  What these asshats don't get is, it isn't (10+ / 0-)

    about the sexual orientation of the pedophile. It wouldn't matte if he IS gay, or straight, or bi.

    It's about having sex with children. THAT is what is wrong. It wouldn't matter what their sexual preference in said child is.

    "TEABAGGER=Totally Enraged About Blacks And Gays Getting Equal Rights."

    by second gen on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 09:17:53 AM PST

  •  Warren Olney is generally (4+ / 0-)
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    very good but I think he missed on this one as he has on occasion where he allows whacked-out opinion to be presented as fact in the same segment where someone presents a well-reasoned analyis of objective fact.

    I'll still listen him but will let him know he botched this one.

    Unapologetically pro-citizen. Not anti-corporation just very pro-citizen.

    by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 09:21:55 AM PST

    •  I agree, but (0+ / 0-)

      I sincerely doubt he's accepting "whacked out opinion" as fact.  He ALWAYS has guests on with views we'd consider idiotic, but there'a ALWAYS a balance and Olney always confronts them on facts.  

      It's actually the kind of rational talk show that's the complete antithesis of Limbaugh and co.  

      I think he botched it; I also think his show, which actually IS 'fair and balanced', might unfortunately be too objective for most folks in the current media/political climate.  

      •  if he wanted to report objectively (13+ / 0-)

        He could have included what all the professional orgs, APA, AMA etc, have to say on gays adopting. And informed the audience exactly how far extremely right Jerry Cox is. Southern Poverty Law Center provides great background research into Cox and his organization's hate-mongering history.

        He did neither.

        Regardless, there is absolutely no excuse for taking two unrelated topics, "married man rapes children," "should gays adopt?" And pretend there is a connection.

        No defensible excuse at all.

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        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:51:32 AM PST

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        •  check the guy out. (0+ / 0-)

          Seriously.  Stream some of his old shows on related issues.  

          •  I get it. You like him. (7+ / 0-)

            Even people we like and admire make mistakes they need to apologize for. Happens all the time. It's called being human.

            My respect and admiration for Dan Choi is well known. It doesn't mean I did, or ever would defend his "Harry Reid wil bleed" comment.

            Though Dan is no misogynist the remark was, and it was indefensible and he apologized. As well he should.

            Now, it's Onley's turn, if he wants to maintain some level of credibilty over Fox News on LGBT issues.

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            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:24:51 AM PST

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            •  And I "get it": You're pissed. (1+ / 0-)
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              I've got no issue with him apologizing.  He should -- and as I've said elsewhere I'd honestly be surprised if he didn't do a whole followup show about this very issue.  

              I got pissed because he was immediately characterized as a rightwing homophobe or at best a useful idiot for rightwing propaganda on the level of Fox News.  

              Both of these are complete bullshit.  If you don't know the guy and someone on this site who doesn't sound like a complete troll vouches for him, why not fucking check the guy's work out for yourself and see?  

              It's not just about "I like Warren Olney".  It's about progressives still dealing with FACTS and not just giving in to raw emotion every time our particular buttons get pushed.  It's not a way to reason or to win, in my book.  

              But that's just me.  

              •  We have little quarrel (7+ / 0-)

                We agree he should apologize. Which he has not.

                I will decline to agree he's a great guy until that plays out, as will most of the LGBT community he has hurt.

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                by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:26:03 PM PST

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              •  and the Facts, as I see them, (2+ / 0-)
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                Facts that seem to be of no concern to you is he produced a shitty show that defamed the LGBT community, and he has thus far only doubled down that he did nothing wrong.

                The LGBT community just is "confused."

                But we are not confused. We live with bigotry and hate-mongering everyday, in a way you and Onley do not.

                And we know bigotry and hate-mongering when we see and hear it.

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                by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:54:08 PM PST

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                •  I posted this an hour ago. (1+ / 0-)
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                  After speaking with GLAAD, Olney issued an apology and agreed to clarify the error on-air on Monday.
                  "We apologize for any confusion about today’s “To the Point,” which dealt with both the Penn State child-sex scandal and the issue of same-sex couples as foster or adoptive parents.  The connection we intended to make was this: a suspected pedophile backed by a powerful institution was allowed to have foster children, while same-sex couples, who can provide loving families, are often denied that opportunity.  We'll air listener comments and further discussion on Monday's program."

                  This is how I figured he would deal with it.  You may see it as craven backpedaling or ass-covering, but again, knowing his work over the past couple of decades, I think it'll be more like a decent person owning up to and examining an honest mistake.  I know you and many others here are resistant to even entertain that possibility, but it does happen.

                  And for the record, you don't know WHAT kind of bigotry and hate-mongering I've lived with.  So thanks for that little assumption, as well as the assumption that I don't know bigotry or homophobia when I see it or wouldn't condemn if if I thought I did.  

                  •  So post it again. (0+ / 0-)

                    I posted it in the diary as well.

                    So what?

                    It amounts to "people who were offended are confused."

                    And yet nearly every LGBT person experienced the same "confusion" as well as many or most straight people.

                    As a journalist it is his job to be clear not confusing. He failed miserably.

                    What did seem clear is a married man raping children should somehow impact our perceptions of LGBT American's fitness to parent.

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                    by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 02:02:14 PM PST

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                    •  Oh, I'm sorry (0+ / 0-)

                      I thought you wanted him to make amends, to apologize more clearly and to clarify his actual position on the issue and initiate more dialogue, which is what that statement said he's going to do on Monday...

                      Did I not understand you, or does it just not matter?

                      •  he says he intends to apologize (2+ / 0-)
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                        the announcement he'd apologize came before this non-apology defense of his choices.

                        No one but he knows what he will say or do Monday.

                        I think, if he thinks he can read that statement on the air and consider it an "apology" he will be sorely disappointed by the reaction. It has already been rejected by GLAAD and most of the LGBT community as insufficient amends for the hurt his program visited on LGBT couples and their children.

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                        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 02:26:38 PM PST

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                        •  The blockquote says he issued (0+ / 0-)

                          an apology and intends to clarify. Then it says he apologizes for the confusion. Sounds like two apologies. The first a general apology and the second an apology for the confusion which could be taken to mean his part in the confusion.

                          Unapologetically pro-citizen. Not anti-corporation just very pro-citizen.

                          by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:51:55 PM PST

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                          •  GLAAD, PRI, KCRW, and To The Point (0+ / 0-)

                            Have only issued the "I am sorry you misunderstood and are confused" non-apology statement.

                            If he has issued a second real apology, I have not seen it.

                            And I am on GLAAD's press release mailing list. They almost certainly would be the first to forward it.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 05:07:59 PM PST

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                          •  I was referring to this (0+ / 0-)

                            http://www.dailykos.com/...

                            I wouldn't characterize that as you have. He apologized and apologized for THE confusion not "your" confusion.

                            Unapologetically pro-citizen. Not anti-corporation just very pro-citizen.

                            by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 05:34:11 PM PST

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                          •  That is the same non-apology apology statement (0+ / 0-)

                            That I ran in full in the body of the diary. That blockquote is just from GLAAD's press release, which I also excerpt in the diary.

                            There has only been one statement, the non-apology "apology."

                            It remains to be seen if Monday Onley delivers a more satifying mea culpa on air.

                            I think GLAAD is pretty clear in their press release they do not consider the non-apology apology sufficient.

                            I am confident GLAAD will continue to discuss the objections, and try to clear up the confusion, which apparently is in Onley's mind.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 06:22:05 PM PST

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                          •  Okay. Just making sure we were talking (0+ / 0-)

                            about the same thing. I'd ask you to consider the possibility that you mis-interpreted that. I think you did but will leave it at that.

                            Unapologetically pro-citizen. Not anti-corporation just very pro-citizen.

                            by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 08:07:26 AM PST

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                          •  I don't know what I am missing. (0+ / 0-)

                            He isn't saying he's sorry for what he's done.

                            He is only using "sorry" in the context that he "sorry" people "misunderstood" what he did.

                            But understand perfectly well what he did. He used a married heterosexual man raping children as an intro to discuss LGBT adoption rights.

                            He isn't sorry he did that, that we can see. He apparently thinks it was OK. But it isn't.

                            It's the equivalent of using Herman Cain story as an intro to discuss if people should be allowed to date interracially. It could be a bad idea, after all, Cain suggests black men are predators.

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                            by Scott Wooledge on Sun Nov 13, 2011 at 09:10:43 AM PST

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                  •  There is ZERO reason those topics deserve to be (2+ / 0-)
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                    LINKED, period.

                    That is a non-apology apology.   "We apologize for any confusion...."   after intentionally stoking the confusion:  They CREATED this show, featuring both topics.

                    That's a Cheney-style tactic:  repeatedly link Saddam to 9/11, even while Bush states that Iraq was not involved in 9/11.  After a few months of hearing "Saddam" and "9/11", the public is thoroughly convinced that they are connected.
                    The public refuses to break the connection in their mind even when Bush repeatedly says "Saddam was not involved in 9/11", because all the public hears is "Saddam" and "9/11."

                    In this case, and with the "apology" too, the connection is being repeated:  "Pedophilia" and "LGBT adoption."   The interspersed words don't matter.  The connection is repeated and repeated.

                    What a bunch of crap.

                    What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

                    by YucatanMan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 03:32:37 PM PST

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                    •  Cheney connection is exactly it. (2+ / 0-)
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                      And exactly what went on here. Say "9/11" and "Saddam Hussein" in the same sentence enough times and the facts be damed, the concept becomes linked in people's mind.

                      The concepts here are already linked in people's mind, thanks to hundreds of years of bigotry. Olney just reinforced it.

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                      by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:00:14 PM PST

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                    •  Are you really equating what Warren Olney (0+ / 0-)

                      did with what Dick Cheney did? Olney does one show on this subject and you think that is the same as Cheney going on many different shows repeating a clear lie over and over. Olney did not assert anything. He made an insensitive connection.

                      You are wrong and your anger does not excuse this.

                      Unapologetically pro-citizen. Not anti-corporation just very pro-citizen.

                      by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 05:11:43 PM PST

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                      •  If by what he "did" you mean (1+ / 0-)
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                        used a rhetorical tactic to mislead and misinform people, yes I am saying it's the same.

                        If by "did" you mean lie us into a war and offend the LGBT gay community, then no, I am not saying they "did" the same thing.

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                        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 08:33:19 PM PST

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                      •  The tactic is the same. There is simply zero (1+ / 0-)
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                        reason to connect these two topics for any reason.  Zero reason.  

                        Any connection of them furthers the long-standing anti-LGBT meme of child molestation which has destroyed countless lives.  And it derails the discussion of the wrongness of what HETEROsexuals do far, far more often and what the HETEROsexuals did in this particular case.

                        "insensitive" connection?  really?  Well, I can be angry and still dream... of a place where furthering destructive hateful memes is not simply "insensitive" but wrong. Loathsome, even.

                        What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

                        by YucatanMan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:33:58 PM PST

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                  •  Are you his girlfriend, his boyfriend (1+ / 0-)
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                    or his mother?  Emotionally tied at the hip?  Fan boy?

                    What is the deal with you feeling you have to comment throughout this diary with your "refutation" of the validity of the diary?  

                    OK. We heard what you said. Anything new to say?

                    What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

                    by YucatanMan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 03:34:44 PM PST

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                    •  I guess I just don't get it (1+ / 0-)
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                      when a journalist whose work I've followed for 20 plus years is accused of things by people who've NEVER followed his work and I offer context, I'm the dick -- and not the ones who refuse to take another look.  

                      So no -- no relation, sexual, familial or otherwise.  

                      But man, do you have to be so prickish and unpleasant about it?  I don't dispute the validity of the diary, I never said anyone shouldn't be upset or demand an apology.  I just don't like someone who I respect being mischaracterized, and I don't like seeing people whose interests I happen to share act like a lynch mob without knowing the --

                      -- aw fuck it, you know what I'm going to say.  

                      •  As of now, you have posted 39 (1+ / 0-)
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                        Clarknt67

                        -- Thirty Nine! -- comments in this diary, basically regurgitating the same thing.

                        Not 1. Not 10. Not even 20 times. 39 times, so far.

                        Do you think you have made your point yet? Do you think the LGBT folk and Allies who want to discuss this topic are tired of hearing we are wrong yet?

                        Thirty-nine times???  Really???

                        KOS:
                        I've spent a great deal of time sifting through diaries the last week or so, and there's a type of dickish behavior that pisses people off, and rightfully so -- the need for some to enter other peoples' diaries simply to be dicks.

                        This isn't a new problem, of course, but it certainly has contributed to the degradation of discourse around here. It's classic dick behavior. So here's a new guideline:

                        The "guest in someone's house" rule

                        Walking into someone's diary is like walking into someone's home. You are a guest. Act accordingly.


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                        and 19 more times.....

                        What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

                        by YucatanMan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:25:44 PM PST

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              •  Your behavior in this diary comes very (1+ / 0-)
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                close to what I would call dickishness.

                You've made your point that you think this turd smells like perfume.  Great. Good for you and your refined olfactory senses.  Now, stop repeating it over and over and over - because that IS behaving like a dick. Period.

                Don't be a dick. Dicks deserve HRs. Per the owner of the site.

                What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

                by YucatanMan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 03:27:25 PM PST

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                •  Yours actually gets there! (0+ / 0-)

                  You disagree with me, so you want me to shut up.  What an asshole.  You don't like what I'm saying?  Stop reading!  Problem solved!  You act like I'm FORCING you to click on my comments.  

                  The only reason I've repeated my stance is that I get the same unthinking crap back when I've tried to advance the conversation. And that's because many people here don't want to examine this any further than agreeing to be angry and upset.  

                  That's how rightwingers do it.  If you want to enforce strict adherence to the prevailing groupthink, you go for it.  But I think that makes you on the dickish side of things far more than it makes me.    

                  •  Make your point. Let the diary have its (1+ / 0-)
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                    conversation. Posting your point over and over and over is not making your point. It is called "derailing the diary."

                    If you have a great need to propagate an opposing view, write your own diary telling everyone about the great guy you have followed for years or whatever.

                    These points come straight from the keyboard of KOS in his "don't be dickish" diary.

                    What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

                    by YucatanMan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:09:55 PM PST

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                  •  I see the now 40 comments you have posted in this (1+ / 0-)
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                    diary are your only 40 comments in 2011.

                    You may have missed KOS's discussion, but the expectations of behavior have evolved from your last comment in 2009.

                    Maybe read up on DailyKOS meta-talk for the last two years. Welcome back.

                    What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

                    by YucatanMan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:31:08 PM PST

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      •  Why does he have idiotic guests on? (2+ / 0-)
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        I used to watch Washington Journal quite a bit, but a few years ago, they jumped the shark when they started having idiotic guests on.  What a waste of time and engergy.

        Really anything that is not on Fox is

        complete antithesis of Limbaugh and co.

        That's not really a compliment.

        We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

        by gooderservice on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:47:28 PM PST

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        •  Because it's a debate, not a cheerleading session (0+ / 0-)

          Because if you're afraid to air and debate opposing views then you're just a cheerleader.  You're just slipping into the warm bath of shit you already know and don't have to grapple with.   Why be so afraid of an idiot's views when they can be easily dismantled on air?  Isn't it better to actually show how dumb this shit is and have people on to counter it?  Thom Hartmann does this all the time.  

          I thought the idea was to have a full, open discussion and let the best idea win.  Are you that worried about your ideas not winning?  

          I'm not.  Bring 'em on.  

          •  it's the worst of "false balance" (2+ / 0-)
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            Where malignant idiots' opinions are given equal weigh to "elite" experts who actually study the issue with science.

            You listen to him, does he do the same on climate change? Does he use a blizzard as an example that it's a myth?

            0: Number of Wall Street bankers arrested over crash of 2008. 3516: Number of Americans arrested protesting Wall Street's fraudulent practices 11/10/2011

            by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 02:05:25 PM PST

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            •  You've obviously never heard the show (0+ / 0-)

              Sigh.  There's nothing more I can say if you refuse to educate yourself as to what you're talking about.  Really.  

              I'm sorry to have wasted both our time.  

              •  Sounds like the Jerry Springer show. (1+ / 0-)
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                Anyone with an opinion gets a slot. Let both sides talk the moderator throws his hands in the air and says, guess we'll never know the truth, but we'll teach the controversy.

                0: Number of Wall Street bankers arrested over crash of 2008. 3516: Number of Americans arrested protesting Wall Street's fraudulent practices 11/10/2011

                by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:03:54 PM PST

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          •  Yes, I always thought we should revisit (3+ / 0-)

            slavery by having slavers debate the enslaved!

            I'd feel so much more enlightened by hearing that.

            There is a false meme in "journalism" today that "all sides" should be aired.  Should we hear from Pol Pot's descendents how "Dad was really a loveable guy! You should have heard him sing!"?  

            What bullshit.

            What a Police State Looks Like: "On one side: soft human flesh, unprotected human skulls, cardboard signs, slogans they chant, armed with belief in 1st Amendment rights. On the other: helmets, body armor, guns, batons, chemical weapons." -- JanetRhodes

            by YucatanMan on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 03:36:56 PM PST

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          •  Ewww. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm a cheerleader and I'm in a warm bath of shit.

            Nice touch.

            I'm sorry that you don't agree that not everyone should be entitled to represent an opposing point of view, i.e, a member of the KKK, or a skinhead, or what's that guy's name who wrote a book "proving" that Obama was not born in the U.S., Jerome Corsi.

            I can't prove it, but I think you're trying to project your cheerleading on me.

            The guy screwed up big time.  Apologize and move on.... unless he doesn't think he screwed up, then that's another story.

            We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

            by gooderservice on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 05:03:02 PM PST

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  •  Okay, so who's calm enough to swarm this jerk's (8+ / 0-)

    Facebook and email?

    Not I, I'm afraid. But if you're able to be rational, wouldn't be a bad idea to let him know we understood him just fine: he's saying he connects the Penn State scandal with our families and assumed we did too. ....WHOOPS!

    Want more smartass? Read my blog. http://phoenix-rising-reports.blogspot.com/

    by PhoenixRising on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 09:24:06 AM PST

  •  Even if he wasn't married to a woman, (19+ / 0-)

    the jump is still totally offensive.

    I have never seen anyone, in the reporting of hundreds if not thousands of cases of child sex abuse I've read about in the media in my lifetime, ever suggest that heterosexual marriage, adoption, or childrearing is at fault. That includes adoption, foster, and biological children.

    Olney implicates his own judgment when he writes:

    Foster children were assigned to former coach Jerry Sandusky’s care--even though charges against him were investigated for years. With 500,000 children desperate for loving homes, we’ll look at efforts to widen the pool of available parents. Should gays and lesbians qualify?

    The group he is talking about are "people accused of sex abuse" not straights or gays. It is a complete non-sequitur, something like saying: "French military accidentally bombs civilian site, should women be allowed as US Secretary of State?" or "Russian Premier breaks law, should blacks be allowed to be US President?" It is an incredible double standard, and even if some dunce went around claiming the non-sequitur was true, the radio host has a duty to come up with shows that are actually about what went wrong.

    And, on KCRW? That's completely weird to me. Liberals can be their own worst enemies when they bend over backwards to be "fair" to other viewpoints. There is a lot of space between "representing multiple viewpoints" and "letting the right wing frame every single news story" and I don't think public radio has figured that out yet.

    "Stare at the monster: remark/ How difficult it is to define just what/ Amounts to monstrosity in that/ Very ordinary appearance." - Ted Hughes

    by MarkC on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 09:24:41 AM PST

  •  My comment on KCRW's Facebook page. (21+ / 0-)

    Why is KCRW giving a platform to Arkansas Family Council as a counter point? Jerry Cox spends his time spreading hate and lies about GLBT citizens. Amplifying his voice is irresponsible journalism.

    Poverty = politics.

    by Renee on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 09:27:32 AM PST

  •  That's not a news hook. It's a news scythe. (15+ / 0-)

    I'm "THE" Troubadour," and not "Troubadour" without the article. We're different people here at DK :)

    by David Harris Gershon on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 09:48:45 AM PST

  •  My comment on FB to them. (10+ / 0-)
    NPR has failed. They are now nothing more than propaganda puppets appealing to the basest right wing talking points. I will have to stick with BBC and Al Jazerra to get real news. I wonder how many LGBT's will get bashed from this "mistake" in scheduling that occurred?

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 09:54:56 AM PST

  •  It's Not "Gays," It People We Call "Born Leaders" (4+ / 0-)

    We look at relationships that are basically authoritarian and just pretend that somehow the authoritarian personality is simply a "born leader" with exceptional self control.

    We rationalize and fantasize that somehow the authoritarian control freak has a superhuman ability to switch off their controlling  personality traits.

    In fact, it the public face that represents their greatest effort to control themselves. In private, a lot of the people that we think of as "strong" or "born leaders" are merely sadists and dangerously out of control.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 09:58:11 AM PST

  •  If I had a nickel (3+ / 0-)
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    for every religious authority that physically, verbally, emotionally, or sexually abused a child, I would be rich. It is hard to imagine how someone can equate LGBT couples providing loving homes for adopted children with a heterosexual pedophile without knowingly pushing an agenda. This is not a conservation about controversial issues. That is complete nonsense.

    Be radical in your compassion.

    by DWG on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:00:40 AM PST

  •  These bigots have no shame (13+ / 0-)

    There is no tragedy horrendous enough that they will not exploit to push their hateful narrative. Funny how all the little girls who get sexually abused by their heterosexual fathers (the vast majority of molestation cases) never spark any debate about whether straight couples should adopt.

    Pedophilia is about control, it stems from deep insecurity and an inability to relate to other adults. It is a perversion and a sickness, a horrendous crime, not a sexual orientation.

    R.I.P. Troy Anthony Davis
    October 9, 1968 - September 21, 2011

    by SwedishJewfish on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:04:49 AM PST

  •  Oh there is a LOT of misunderstanding going on. (10+ / 0-)
    There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding of today’s “To the Point.” We had no intention of confusing the issues of child abuse and same-sex adoption. We apologize to anyone who drew that conclusion.

    ...and it's all Olney.

    When you present 2 things side by side and the statement 'one of these things is not like the other' applies? Probably need to go back to the drawing board. Bloody hell....

    OWS = "You know what you did. You have our stuff. Give it back." - Gordon Lafer, The Nation

    by cooper888 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:13:47 AM PST

  •  Hate and ignorance is such a staple of our media.. (4+ / 0-)

    This is really bad.

    Off to tell them what I think...

    How about catholics adopting? Or ... wtf? lol it's nuts.

    From PRI no less.

    I don't know what to say (obviously)

    Insanity is a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world... -R D Laing

    by crazyamerican on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:25:53 AM PST

  •  There are two points to make (1+ / 0-)
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    1.  Sandusky was not "out".

    2.  Marcus and Michele Bachmann have adopted many children over the years as well.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:27:10 AM PST

  •  Warren Olney and KCRW (6+ / 0-)

    Thank you for your post. I was outraged enough to just now send an email to KCRW expressing my profound objection to the title and premise of the debate. I told them having an "expert" on like Jerry Cox was on a level with Fox. That said, I too am an Angeleno and have listened to Warren's program since the riots. He's one of the good guys. I told him he made a colossal error and needs to man up, apologize, and correct his statement.

  •  I was listening to this while driving yesterday (2+ / 0-)
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    and while it was disconcerting (and a big mistake) to hear the two things talked about in the same show like that, the actual discussion on gay adoption was interesting to hear.  The "Family" asshat sure came across as a real jerk, and the other two guests (a gay man who, with his husband,  has adopted a girl, and a women from the L.A. County agency who deals with adoption, were pretty good, and definitely came across as the grownups.

    Warren Olney is one of the better guys out there, and pretty much always plays it down the middle, and usually asks enough questions so that people dig their own holes.

    Although it is frustrating at times to hear people outright lie about things, usually there is someone with a different viewpoint on the show to provide contrast so that intelligent listeners can have a good overview of the issues.

  •  Thanks for the Heads-Up, Scott (3+ / 0-)

    I sent an outraged e-mail to KCRW telling them they've lost a listener and donor.

    I also told them I'd tell everyone I know to not donate to KCRW.

    I'm outraged. PISSED. The false equivalency is bad enough, but helping the dissemination of pure LIES goes over the line of "bad journalism" into "irresponsible and dangerous".

    And Warren Olney can kiss my gay, gay ass. He's a hater, pure and simple.

    -8.75,-8.00. "Liberal" ain't a dirty word. "Indifferent" IS. Our enemies want us dead. WE WILL VANQUISH THEM.

    by CajunBoyLgb on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:08:56 AM PST

  •  It wasn't a big mistake. It was by design. (1+ / 0-)
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    Heaven forfend the billion dollar heirarchial business of professional sports which is like a Church all by itself in America gets challenged.

    This is all about preserving that ring, or gang of bigots, haters, homophobes, tyrants petty and big and their access to the pedestals of being worshipped and becoming very rich.

    The real comparison that would open people's eyes is to show how the Roman Catholic church from the Vatican down to the national churches and the local bishops would do ANYTHING TO MAINTAIN THE CONTROL. Ireland closing their embassy with the Vatican because of frustration with the many years of obstructing a solution to the long running priest preying on minors scandal is a template for what will happen in American cases and the football/coverup of pedophilia  scandal.

    A reporter putting together a handful of wildly unrelated speakers and chattering about their pet obsessions doesn't do the listeners any good, he simply confuses them at best or misinforms and distracts from solutions at worst.

    If you think that you and a bunch of other people can just show up on Wall St, camp out and have any effect whatsoever, you're dreaming. *YUP!* h/t Hamden Rice

    by BeeDeeS on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:47:59 AM PST

  •  from GLAAD's website (1+ / 0-)
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    After speaking with GLAAD, Olney issued an apology and agreed to clarify the error on-air on Monday.

    "We apologize for any confusion about today’s “To the Point,” which dealt with both the Penn State child-sex scandal and the issue of same-sex couples as foster or adoptive parents.  The connection we intended to make was this: a suspected pedophile backed by a powerful institution was allowed to have foster children, while same-sex couples, who can provide loving families, are often denied that opportunity.  We'll air listener comments and further discussion on Monday's program."

    •  Sure didn't sound like it. This looks pretty (2+ / 0-)
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      much like furious back-pedaling.

      A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow

      by jayjaybear on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:58:24 AM PST

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    •  So which is it? (2+ / 0-)
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      We had no intention of confusing the issues of child abuse and same-sex adoption. [no connection was intended]

      or

      [We presented a show] which dealt with both the Penn State child-sex scandal and the issue of same-sex couples as foster or adoptive parents. The connection we intended to make...

      Either there was a connection intended to be made or not.  How disingenuous to claim their intention was above reproach, yet to intentionally have a guest who they knew would make the malignant connection!

      PLEASE!

    •  They "apologize for our confusion?" (3+ / 0-)
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      We are not a bit confused.

      Onley seems confused that gays and pedophiles are not the same topic. He better clear up his confusion quick. Like, 48 hours. All ears will be on his show and it better be a Hell of a lot better than this non-apology defense that it is the LGBT community that is "confused."

      0: Number of Wall Street bankers arrested over crash of 2008. 3516: Number of Americans arrested protesting Wall Street's fraudulent practices 11/10/2011

      by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:32:41 PM PST

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    •  I *STRONGLY* dispute the assertion that Sandusky (0+ / 0-)

      was allowed by the state of Pennsylvania to have foster children assigned to his home -- after he was investigated in 1998 and admitted naked in-shower contact with two 11-year-old boys.

      Olney makes this ASSERTION, but do you REALLY think the state of PA was that stupid? After a representative of their child protective services met with Sandusky in 1998 and told him "never shower with any child again".

      After THAT, after they knew, Olney is asserting that he was "allowed to have foster children" -- a statement which is just ridiculous.

      If he thinks it's true, research it and prove it.

      He was NOT suspected when he and his wife were fostering, and he was NOT backed by Penn State after 1999, when they "retired/fired" him after his 1998 admissions.

      Olney COULD have focused on:
      --how moms can gather the courage to report, as the mom did who blew the whistle in 1998
      --how adults can recognize patterns of pedophilia in those around them ... but it might take GUTS to read that material and report on it. People go PTSD after working investigating pedophilia, it's that revolting.

      This sentence is just FUBAR:

      The connection we intended to make was this: a suspected pedophile backed by a powerful institution was allowed to have foster children, while same-sex couples, who can provide loving families, are often denied that opportunity.

      This health care system is a moral atrocity. Dr. Ralphdog

      by AllisonInSeattle on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:20:09 PM PST

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  •  holy crap!! this is NPR? nt (2+ / 0-)
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  •  There's that ultra-liberal NPR for ya... n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow

    by jayjaybear on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:57:35 AM PST

  •  Was wondering where this post went (3+ / 0-)
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    the homophobia is outrageous.

    and thanks clark for reposting.

  •  Olney is in no way a right-winger (1+ / 0-)
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    He's a great and impartial journalist, which these days if anything makes him seem more like part of the left.

    I don't buy this description from Gawker:

    Warren Olney chose to tackle the Penn State child rape scandal by devoting an entire show to the subject of whether or not gays and lesbian couples would make fit foster and adoptive parents.

    The point, as Olney says, is that in many places gays and lesbians are prevented from fostering or adopting, which is a stark contrast to the fact that Sandusky was allowed to continue fostering even after he had been investigated multiple times.  This strikes me as more of a "oh, you think marriage is sacred, what do you think about Britney Spears and Kim Kardashian?" sort of story.

    There are so many people around who deserve to be picked on that I hate to see outrage wasted on someone who doesn't.

    Democrats must
    Earn the trust
    Of the 99% --
    That's our intent!

    "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back." -- Saul Alinksy OCcupy!

    by Seneca Doane on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:13:57 PM PST

    •  agreed (1+ / 0-)
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      but it feels like I'm shouting into the wind.  All these people are seeing is the clumsy, ill-thought out hook -- not the substance of the show itself.  

      L.A. People know Warren, and know he's not an asshole!

      •  Clumsy (3+ / 0-)
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        is when I unintentionally stub my big toe on the bedframe.

        A "hook" is a critical and primary part of developing a media message and is intentionally designed to grab attention.  Seldom can it be "ill thought out" and, often, it can be the substance, itself.

        •  Hey, you're right!!! (0+ / 0-)

          Seneca and I are wrong.  We've listened to the guy for 20 years, sounds like you haven't, but you're right.  It was obviously intentional.  No way could it be 'ill thought out' or a mistake.   He obviously hates, hates, hates gays and all these years I've just missed it!  

          But I'm sorry, it's just not true.  Have you listened to the show?  Do you have any context for assuming intentionality?  

          You don't.  

          •  I just explained it to you, (2+ / 0-)
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            but you've lost your objectivity, so you can't hear me.  I'll try to be more explicit.

            Somebody thought a segue from the Penn State paedophilia story to same-sex adoption was a clever, attention-grabbing hook.  That's what a hook is intentionally designed to do - capture the audience's attention.  Presumably, Olney has control over what he utters on air, even if he didn't design the hook.  It doesn't sound, from what you and Seneca have written, though, that Olney speaks mindlessly.  

            That means, at the very least, that Olney is insensitive to and unappreciative of the struggles of the LGBT community.  Otherwise, he would have been cognizant that the hook was an exploitation of a despicable way in which the LGBT community has often been unjustly maligned - through a false connection between paedophilia and being gay.  

            The alternative is that he designed the hook and/or understood the implication of making the connection, yet did it anyway.

            In either case, the intentional hook validated the hateful views of his guest, Cox.

            •  What would have been an appropriate show (3+ / 0-)

              if they were talking about the events at Penn State, the "hook" would have been:

              Can you trust your children alone with adults with authority.

              Actually, I think that would have been a great topic.

              I'd like to see measures put in place in religious venues, schools, athletics, camps, where no adult would ever be alone with a young child.  Young?  Defining the age would be up for discussion.

              We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

              by gooderservice on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 05:28:31 PM PST

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              •  We need to distinguish who's safe, who isn't (1+ / 0-)
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                Depriving children of being able to spend time with trustworthy kind adults isn't the solution. Suspecting everyone of the deeds of a small percentage of people -- isn't the solution.

                Stopping predators, by learning to recognize them, and stopping them, now we're talking solution.

                This health care system is a moral atrocity. Dr. Ralphdog

                by AllisonInSeattle on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 10:48:12 PM PST

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          •  Okay, I'll say it. Your argument doesn't hold (3+ / 0-)

            water.  Just because you think you "know" a person doesn't make it so.  As we've seen time and and time again.

            Deal with the issue.  Is he a good person and used horrible judgement?  If that's the case, he'll have a heartfelt apology quickly forthcoming.  If not, then he's not.

            We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

            by gooderservice on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 05:24:38 PM PST

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      •  You're seriously confused. (4+ / 0-)

        no one cares whether he's an asshole, a bigot or has hatred in his heart.

        The meaning of our actions isnt found in their intent, it's found in their results. Whatever he may typically do, wish to do or meant to do is irrelevant.

        What he did was use the victims of a straight married child molestor, who have been in the news, to pull listeners for a program that itself may not have been objectionable--by associating me and my family with child rape.

        So I don't give a damn about his intent, or how great a guy he might be to have a beer with, or whether he is otherwise your idea of a good liberal. He pissed on my leg and you're telling me it's raining...and won't shut up.

         At this point you both owe me an apology.

        Want more smartass? Read my blog. http://phoenix-rising-reports.blogspot.com/

        by PhoenixRising on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 02:44:51 PM PST

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        •  I'm not confused (0+ / 0-)

          Because he IS being accused of being an asshole and a bigot etc etc.

          I'm sorry if you don't want to hear that I don't think he is.  I'm sure he's going to apologize profusely for the piss on your leg.  I'm sure he didn't mean to piss on your leg -- but he'll apologize nonetheless.  

          But I won't apologize for speaking my mind.  I'm sorry you don't want to hear it, but if we all shut up when someone else didn't want to hear us, where would we be?    

          •  Most often, (1+ / 0-)
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            when we shut up, we can actually hear what the other person is saying - and that can help put us all in a better place.

          •  The disrespect is the problem. (2+ / 0-)
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            Who gives a damn whether he's an asshole? Except him and his family and friends? He did something wrong and apologized by suggesting that the people he insulted were confused.

            This isn't about what I don't want to hear. It's about the damage he did, intentional or not.

            Your disrespect for that truth reflects his disrespect perfectly, so I guess you're his perfect fan.

            Want more smartass? Read my blog. http://phoenix-rising-reports.blogspot.com/

            by PhoenixRising on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:44:19 PM PST

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    •  So on the flipside the argument becomes (5+ / 0-)

      that if we let pedophile straights foster and adopt children then why can't we let those pedophile gays do the same? Because according to his "expert" gays are known pedophiles.

      The entire premise and intentional linkage is offensive.


      Not this mind and not this heart, I won't rot • Mumford & Sons

      by jayden on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 12:29:40 PM PST

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  •  This is such an important post Clark. (4+ / 0-)
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    Thanks for writing it.  It's one thing when the right-wing engages in this kind of homophobia.  It's quite another when our so-called 'friends' at NPR (Nice, Polite Repubicans) do it.

    I've never liked Olney.  I remember when listening to one of his segments on Prop. 8, I had the sense that he was happy it had passed.

  •  GG counter knee-jerk homophobia (0+ / 0-)

    with knee-jerk PC outrage.

  •  Like Others From LA, I've Listened To The (5+ / 0-)

    show over the years and have respect for it. Agree that Olney did step into it with this one by trying to combine two separate issues.

    Have always thought that one of the reasons global warming has more deniers in the states is the mindless "he said, she said, views differ" way of covering issues where you have a vocal political minority arguing against consensus science and the public thinks that there is no consensus.

    With Olney's style of exploring issues more in depth than cable news, the dumbasses from conservative groups usually are give plenty of time to hang themselves rhetorically and their critics plenty of time to deconstruct their bullshit. If he explored separately the issue of pedophiles and institutions for children and the issue of gay adoption and foster care, the public would have walked away with less of a "he said, she said, views differ" point of view and more of a "that guy was a dick and she made sense" point of view. Mitigating factor if one of his guests effectively deconstructed the false gay-pedophile connection. Judging by the descriptions, it doesn't seem like it was done. He should have realized that setting up the frame with the hook,

    Foster children were assigned to former coach Jerry Sandusky’s care--even though charges against him were investigated for years.

    With 500,000 children desperate for loving homes, we’ll look at efforts to widen the pool of available parents. Should gays and lesbians qualify? “

    The gay-pedophile connection was implied.

    I served on a jury where during juror interviews the judge stated that he felt that in more than 95% of the cases the jury made the right call.  That might be as a result of having lawyers who are relatively equal in making their case. When jurors fuck up, I believe a judge has to see whether it had to do with his instructions or what he considered to be admissible and not admissible. That is Olney's job. He usually is the best in the game at it. In this case, he fucked up.

    •  They're not interested (0+ / 0-)

      in context.  Unfortunately, they just don't want to hear it.  

      •  What is uninteresting is your incessant (1+ / 0-)
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        "Otherwise, how did you enjoy the theater, Mrs. Lincoln?"
        line of defense for a man you are a little creepily a little too invested in sequestering away from the consequences of his own ill-advised choices.

        Choices he doesn't regret.

        0: Number of Wall Street bankers arrested over crash of 2008. 3516: Number of Americans arrested protesting Wall Street's fraudulent practices 11/10/2011

        by Scott Wooledge on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 04:34:59 PM PST

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  •  Not the first time.. (2+ / 0-)
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    NPR did a 'fair and balanced' both sides story on conversion therapy as if it's a valid option.

    I've cut off any donations or attention to them since.

    They can keep pandering to the right in the desperate hope of attracting Limbaugh listeners while losing the fair minded ones because they won't be gracing my radio.

    Also, GLAAD has become the worst and most ineffective media watchdog group evah.

  •  Seems clear to me: Sandusky is heterosexual, so (2+ / 0-)
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    the "transition" from heterosexual child rape to gay adoption is a leap of ignorance.

    Maybe Olney can do a story on false equivalence, straight ignorance, or the connection between this type of error-based journalism, violence against gays, and gay teen suicide.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 03:52:59 PM PST

  •  WHAT FREAKING HOGWASH REPLY -- I sent a (2+ / 0-)
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    message to him the day that piece of garbage show ran. I couldn't believe my ears when I heard him announce the topics.

    Here's what I sent the station and posted on FB -- and I could still rant about it for a considerable length of time.

    What on earth? Why was the PSU/Sandusky scandal paired with foster care and gay parents? Did Olney assume Sandusky is gay? Maybe not, maybe just loves the power of it all.

    At any rate, why would not the Sandusky scandal be paired with:

    --How to recognize symptoms of sexual abuse in (your) children

    --How to recognize adult child abusers by their pattern of behaviors (even if it's your spouse, relative, co-worker, neighbor, etc.)

    --What to DO when discovering child sexual abuse (hint, what McQuery did isn't adequate -- for one, he was 28, a huge man at 6'4", why didn't he try to stop the anal rape? What are the dynamics behind why he would walk away vs intervene when a 10-year-old boy was being sodomized?)

    --Common misconceptions about serial sexual abusers. Such as... that they are gay, when often they're not.

    --What kind of treatment is available for people like Sandusky, and what is prognosis of recovery.

    --Interview of victims of serial sexual predators like Sandusky.

    I could go on. My further question is: since this horrible pairing was allowed to exist, will any of the topics mentioned above be pursued and aired in the near future?

    Because if not, it's a great disservice to the wider community, at a time when people might listen to signs, symptoms, advice about what to do, etc.

    Thank you.

    This health care system is a moral atrocity. Dr. Ralphdog

    by AllisonInSeattle on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 05:41:23 PM PST

  •  We should occupy the show's call-in line, (2+ / 0-)
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    if it has one, which it probably doesn't. But if it did, that would be the thing to do. Wait till a show was in progress, then call after call about this to the screener.

    This health care system is a moral atrocity. Dr. Ralphdog

    by AllisonInSeattle on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 05:44:59 PM PST

  •  I'm curious to see how this plays out. I wrote (3+ / 0-)
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    independently to his show, not seeing this, after listening to the intro to the show. Turned off radio, wrote him. I read his first apology -- what?!? Creepy and crappy.

    Prior to Friday, I admired the heck outta the guy. But Friday -- really awful. I publish. I'm in media. Not one bleeping thing you do is done by accident. Every letter to the editor is someone saying something you want said. Every caller on the show makes a point you want made. Every guest on the show makes a point you want made. Or they are a foil so you can make a point you want made.

    Being the point person -- whether in print publishing, online publishing, radio, TV -- YOU are the person who manipulates every tiny tidbit that goes into the show that delivers a message that YOU want delivered.

    Unless Olney had some sort of mini-stroke when he designed this show on Tues/Weds/Thurs... I want to know, what on god's green earth was he THINKING to draw a line from Sandusky (which he has a picture of freaking PATERNO on the web page for the story, not SANDUSKY-- what is THAT message, it's protecting Sandusky) -- then he drew a straight line from
    **serial child molester --->
    to--->
    **gay parents.

    What
    the
    bleep?

    That is dickish behavior. That is low. I have heard NOTHING from the man over the years to make me think he is that stupid. Nothing!

    So like I said, unless he had a mini-stroke that left his speech centers fully functional but took out his reasoning, he ignored about TEN other straight lines he could have drawn to IMPORTANT aspects of this story, and focused in on this one, totally inappropriate tangent.

    This health care system is a moral atrocity. Dr. Ralphdog

    by AllisonInSeattle on Sat Nov 12, 2011 at 11:01:14 PM PST

  •  I'm With Plante (2+ / 0-)
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    What does same sex couples adopting have to do what happened at PSU?

    Olney's been around a long time, he really should have known better. He would have been much better suited to the topic of, WTF is going on when you let a known pedophile start a charity for at-risk boys?

    If you want to discuss same sex-couples adopting, that's one issue. If you want to discuss Penn State and Sandusky, that's fine too. To link the two is just unacceptable.

    Finally, if you're going to plead poor judgment, then you have to apologize to the people you've offended. This is where Olney fails in his "clarification", and why Plante is offended. Plante, who spent quite a bit of time in LA as well, nailed it in his response.

  •  Heard that Olney's a neo-con ex-CIA.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ....but most Neo-conservatives aren't socially reactionary.  (Although most social cons also are neo-cons.)  I always could detect some pro-neo-con bias in the way he covered stories, yet Olney often allows the other side to present its view.  

    This is just plain way over the top.  The man should be fired.  What's next? An anti-semitic program?  How about interviewing a American Nazi Party about affirmative action?  

  •  Lisa Simeone PRI employee fired.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ....because of her involvement with Occupy DC.  She never was involved with political programming.  She was the host of "Opera Week" for pity's sake!

    Yet this sickening bigot spews his prejudice over the public airwaves and he STILL has a show.

    FUCK HIM!

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