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Amazing chart from the NY Times:

maps demographic changes
For generations, the story of the small rural town of the Great Plains, including the dusty tabletop landscape of western Kansas, has been one of exodus — of businesses closing, classrooms shrinking and, year after year, communities withering as fewer people arrive than leave and as fewer are born than are buried. That flight continues, but another demographic trend has breathed new life into the region.

Hispanics are arriving in numbers large enough to offset or even exceed the decline in the white population in many places. In the process, these new residents are reopening shuttered storefronts with Mexican groceries, filling the schools with children whose first language is Spanish and, for now at least, extending the lives of communities that seemed to be staggering toward the grave.

The towns that embrace these new residents will reverse years of decline, while those that don't will die.

And this change is happening, whether longtime residents agree or disagree. Now look at those states—it's pretty solid GOP for the most part. As the Latino population grows, it'll have an impact in the politics of those states. The question Republicans will continue to have is whether they will accept this new America, or whether they will continue to agitate against it.

Originally posted to kos on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 11:55 AM PST.

Also republished by America Latina, LatinoKos, and Daily Kos.

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  •  Great news. I'm having a hard time reading the (7+ / 0-)

    chart, but still great news.

    •  I studied on it and finally got it. (7+ / 0-)

      White (or as we say in NM, "Anglo") population is emptying out of the rural areas into the cities.   Hispanic population is growing in BOTH rural and urban.  Net result, demographics in farm country are changing much faster than urban demographics (which are aslo changing.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 12:11:41 PM PST

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    •  Why do we want to populate these areas? (1+ / 0-)
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      I thought we wanted a sustainable future. How does encouraging more people to live in remote areas that are difficult to service a great thing? It is very costly to supply roads, food, energy, broadband, medical care to people spread out over vast geographical areas. It is also very difficult to help them out when they are hit by natural disasters.

      Applauding these areas being repopulated by a new group of desperate workers is short sighted. The Anglo workers abandoned those areas for a reason. Is it really OK to replace them with a bunch of people who are willing to put up with crap because they come from an even crappier place?  Is the Progressive Community going to turn a blind eye to all the things these are missing - from decent schools to access to medical care because gosh darn those Hispanics are less needy then Americans so these will work out just fine for them?

      •  Not all small towns are "crap" places (1+ / 0-)
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        I live in a small Iowa city of c. 26,000.

        Believe it or not, we actually have great hospitals, great schools, a great library, etc.

        More importantly, in many of those small towns the infrastructure already exists--roads, schools, etc.  It's there to be utilized, far preferable imho than building infrastructure in suburban/exurban areas of large cities.

        Particularly when many large cities have declining population densities but have the infrastructure already in place to handle far more people.

        The same holds true of small towns.

        •  We are talking about dying or dead towns (0+ / 0-)

          If your town has those things then it has a good tax base which means it has a functioning economy. This piece was talking about towns that had been largely abandoned, meaning no tax base and therefore no money for schools or anything else. The desperately poor people moving into these areas living off of tiny wages, much of not taxable because it is undocumented is not going to provide money for much of anything. Many of these people are going to end up living in the same third world conditions they came from. Of course, that is the whole point, they are willing to accept that because it is what they are use to.

  •  Latinos are filling some voids, but there is.. (21+ / 0-)

    ...still a lot of emptiness in those maps. What to do about that?

    More than 20 years ago, two geographers, Frank and Deborah Popper proposed the buffalo commons, making the rapidly depopulating Great Plains what it used to be: grasslands filled with bison. They recently revisited the idea:

    The Poppers settled on one thing that most of their critics had leveled upon them in their early research. That is, that the federal government would create a large project to steer people out of the Plains and replace them with bison.

    "The only thing we got wrong was that it was going to be primarily a federal project," Frank Popper said. "We were wrong, but we saw the Buffalo Commons as a sort of environmental end state to which the Plains were moving and that it would be a place where traditional agriculture would become more environmental, where ecotourism would become more important, and where the land would be treated more lightly, more gingerly than in the past.

    Settlement on the Plains would exist in an altered form. The word sustainable has been overused but it applies."
    It's been a generation since the Poppers became infamous for their work. Dozens of articles, as well as books and documentary films were made about the couple and their theory.

    "It was mainly a piece so Deborah and I could work together," Frank Popper said. "Deborah was a graduate student at the time. We had been writing on the Midwest and the West before, but we wanted to do something together.

    "We never really expected it to have the impact it did and does. We would have recoiled then that we would still be talking about it 23 years later. It's clear that in the intervening years a quiet muscle of reality, a lot of the trends we saw in the depopulation of the Plains has continued."

    Those trends have been born out in two censuses since the Poppers' initial research was published, the couple contends.
    "Young people leave and the people who stay are getting older. The Plains has for a long time had one of the highest median ages of any place in the country," Frank Popper said.

    "More positively, though, the Buffalo Commons has begun in clear ways to materialize."

    Of course, bison don't vote.

    The surest way to predict the future is to invent it. — Stephen Post. [Me at Twitter.]

    by Meteor Blades on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 12:12:38 PM PST

    •  Is technology the answer? (1+ / 0-)
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      Odysseus

      My job requires me to be in the District of Columbia, but many of my colleagues don't need to be. As a country we're not quite at a point where people are trusted to do most jobs from anywhere, but we're moving in that direction. If I thought I could be just as happy in rural America as I am in a big city, and I had the kind of job and employer where I could work 100% remotely, I'd love to pay the cost of living in Kansas or Nebraska versus that of DC.

      Unapologetic Obama supporter.

      by Red Sox on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 12:17:41 PM PST

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      •  The wrong answer, perhaps (3+ / 0-)

        I thought the point was to get the people OUT

      •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

        What about health care and schools and law enforcement and other necessities you probably take for granted, not to mention cultural and social attractions?

        Work is just part of it.

        Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

        by Bush Bites on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 07:03:10 PM PST

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        •  It's correlated (0+ / 0-)

          There is nothing there because the people have left. There used to be some semblance of cultural and social attractions in the mid-west, until the region died under the weight of dieing industry and Big Ag-Business. Sure, they were never metropolitan, but if there is no one to frequent a business, it doesnt stay open.

          Sure there are growing pains, but eventually the needs of the population will be met. The schools/hospitals/law enforcement in those areas are dead because the population is dead. If you have people actually living in them, they can begin the process of demanding access to those things.

    •  Still a great idea (3+ / 0-)

      I always thought it strange that we have been eager for wildlife preserves for Africa and Asia but nothing for our bison or mountain lions. If we could imagine re inhabiting the plains with bison, it could happen. The grasses would come back. I want it really really large so the bison could roam across many states.

      I also love the idea that empty towns could be filled up with the vibrant new energy of new (and not so new) immigrants. What a great vision of the new century for Norte Americano!

    •  I love that idea (1+ / 0-)
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      in part because it was something I'd thought about on my own without ever hearing of them or their proposals.  I was absolutely beside myself when I discovered actual experts had thought about the same thing.

      If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. ~Malcolm X

      by ActivistGuy on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 03:42:54 PM PST

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    •  A romantic idea... (0+ / 0-)

      and not entirely unappealing, but there are people who live and make a living out there.

      •  Large areas have been abandoned (2+ / 0-)
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        ... with population going down for many decades now.  And it's gonna crash big time once the Ogallala Aquifer runs dry, as it's getting close to doing in many areas.  About all that's left on the High Plains then is oil & gas production, which are unsustainable for other reasons.  (By which I mean climate.)

        Grab all the joy you can. (exmearden 8/10/09)

        by Land of Enchantment on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 10:22:52 PM PST

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    •  Maybe we could go to the Supreme Court (3+ / 0-)
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      as Bison United and get all bison declared people. Then they can vote. ;)

      "I want my Obama back!!!"

      by Pale Jenova on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 08:10:10 PM PST

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    •  Buffalo Commons (2+ / 0-)
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      That and wind turbines.  The infrastructure to move the power out to other areas is needed, too.  But it's long seemed to me that bison ranching plus wind turbines would be the basis for a long-term sustainable economy in that neck of the woods.

      Just drove through there this week, as it happens.  And was seeing again how apt it would be.  And there are turbines showing up, though not so many in Baca County, Colorado as there should oughta be.  And some of the ranches have gone over to bison, too.  Turbines are a natural for the large areas of National Grassland around the heart of the dust bowl (where KS, TX, CO, OK & NM meet on the map.)

      Grab all the joy you can. (exmearden 8/10/09)

      by Land of Enchantment on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 10:19:49 PM PST

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    •  Somebody has to grow the food (0+ / 0-)

      those are rural areas.... we cannot keep expanding the way we are right now. Latin immigrants are moving to those areas, just not as many.

  •  They'll agitate against it. Naturally. (2+ / 0-)
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    Which is why we'll eventually win it all.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 12:17:18 PM PST

    •  agitating against it is wrong.. (0+ / 0-)

      but so is encouraging it. If it happens it should happen naturally.

      Standing up for men and their interests does not constitute misogyny. www.youtube.com/manwomanmyth

      by SetaSan on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 03:29:22 AM PST

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      •  man is an animal, he moves to survive (0+ / 0-)

        into the area where the best resources exist. We need to work hard to include and accept these people into the American fabric. There is no reason to make this difficult, we are a nation of immigrants after all. In a generation it will be a different group coming in.

  •  It's not just in the Great Plains (9+ / 0-)

    There has been a lot made of the fact that Detroit doesn't have a single chain grocery store (Safeway, Kroger, Albertson's, A&P, etc.) within the city limits. What people are missing is how Latino-owned and Latino-oriented grocers are filling the void, and not with the crappy corner bodegas that people think of when they imagine urban groceries.

    Unapologetic Obama supporter.

    by Red Sox on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 12:22:47 PM PST

  •  The question I continue to have ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... is whether there will be a country left by the time the demographic shifts Markos loves to trumpet as certain doom for Republicans actually are big enough to matter.

    •  At a minimum, we can assume (1+ / 0-)
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      that the land mass will still be here, and will be populated by humans for approximately as long as other land masses.   I'd put good money on it's still being known as the US of A for at least another hundred years,  not that I'll be around to collect.   Whether we'd recognize the social and political landscape of that time, is another matter.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:37:50 PM PST

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    •  Not sure I'd care either way. (0+ / 0-)

      This country is VERY big and culturally diverse.

      Maybe our problem all along has been too many tribes in the same tent.

      Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

      by Bush Bites on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 06:46:09 PM PST

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  •  because Latinos come from an ancient (5+ / 0-)

    tradition.
    We think loving your husband/wife and having a couple of kids is a positive outlook on the future.  Even if things don't loook so good, family is one of those parts of our lives that we cherish.
    Don't even go to the part how Latinos will save Social Security by working and contributing to that.
    When I say Latinos, I mean the legal American ones.  

    "How quickly these kids have affected the public dialogue. So proud of them." Clarknt67

    by TexMex on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 12:26:06 PM PST

    •  Obviously they are moving in because (2+ / 0-)
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      their cultural expectations of what home/life is are different and less material than typical "white" Americans...I don't know if that's a taboo stereotype but I've always found it to be true in general.

      Justified anger does not grant you unrestricted license.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:37:53 PM PST

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      •  well we do believe it is ok (2+ / 0-)
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        for muliple generations to live under one roof. Meaning, we have Grandma and babies in the same household.

        But we like designer shit, too.

        We didn't move in, we already were here. People just didn' t see us. Kinda like Ricky Richardo was Cuban but not.

        Oh yeah, Rachel Welch she wasn't Hispanic  Gasp She is!!!!!

        "How quickly these kids have affected the public dialogue. So proud of them." Clarknt67

        by TexMex on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 02:08:02 PM PST

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        •  Of course we're not talking about Welch-types (0+ / 0-)

          moving into these cities (economically speaking).

          Justified anger does not grant you unrestricted license.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 05:10:26 AM PST

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        •  Used to be the norm for white families too (0+ / 0-)

          Although "The Waltons" is an American myth, extended families were the norm in the US until after WWII. (Not necessarily under the same roof but at least living nearby.)

          "I want my Obama back!!!"

          by Pale Jenova on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 07:22:36 AM PST

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        •  Lots of Caucasian families are reverting to this (0+ / 0-)

          I am in my late 20s and had to move home (laid off social worker)... I'd say 80 percent of my friends live at home as well. I should mention that this city has the 15th highest unemployment in the entire nation, but the point stands. I have two younger sisters, one still lives here and the other just recently moved out (and may be back).

          Its very difficult for me sometimes. Its embarrassing. I feel like I should have my own place, I am very lucky to come from a middle class family.

          I have lived in six different cities in the past 10 years.

      •  It's economic (2+ / 0-)
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        acnetj, Odysseus

        Latinos are heavily represented in agriculture and agri-manufactoring (meat packing, food processing) so they are going where these jobs are. Most immigrants to a large extent will help extended family this is not different, it helps everyone afford a better life.

        -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

        by dopper0189 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 06:52:41 PM PST

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        •  Latinos are filling in labor gaps (2+ / 0-)
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          in meat packing and food processing.

          Many of these plants are distributed across towns and small cities across the Midwest--and the jobs have been downgraded over the last generation: they pay less and are more dangerous. Many are nonunion, or only nominally unionized.

          A packing plant in a small city can easily run through the local US-born population able to do such jobs. Many young people leave the area; others burn out or are injured after a few years. An Excel plant is not one you go into at 22 and expect to retire from at 66. Rather than improve conditions (the injury rates are horrific) and pay rates, the companies prefer to bring in Latino immigrants to augment the local workforce (with the idea that, if someone is injured or can't do the work anymore, they can just be "exported" back to Mexico).

          Despite all this, Latinos have hung in there and have been revitalizing many a rural town and small city, even though they've often met with nativist hostility on the part of the local population--with people blaming immigrants for bad working conditions and lack of opportunities, rather than capitalist Taylorism and disinvestment.

          •  Kind of Confused (3+ / 0-)

            Is it really a good thing that we've found a fresh crop of people desperate enough to do crappy jobs under crappy conditions for crappy wages? We were just getting to the point that enough Americans had raised their expectations of what is acceptable that maybe we could start to rethink how we handle certain parts of economy and figure out how to accomplish the same tasks without taking advantage of people's desperation.

            The whole we should accept this as great news because this is a step up for those Hispanic immigrants sounds an awful lot  Barbara Bush excusing the conditions for the Katrina victims as because it was am improvement for those kinds of people.

            •  Just call it neo-progressive-ism. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              Moderation in most things.

              by billmosby on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 05:27:30 AM PST

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            •  The historic immigrant pattern (0+ / 0-)

              Arriving in the US, doing difficult/dangerous work for crappy wages. This is just Chapter XXXX of the same old story. Is this a "step up" for them? That depends. Some are in the US because NAFTA and other forms of neoliberalism have pushed them out of better/more tenable niches in their home country. Others are here because these jobs are not much different from the crappy conditions and wages available at home.

              The "revitalization" part of the story happens as people slowly are able to get other, better jobs, and as some immigrants open up businesses catering, first to other immigrants, and then to Anglos.

              And no, we weren't "just getting to the point that enough Americans had raised their expectations of what is acceptable, etc." The inflow of Latinos into the Midwest has been going on for some years. The downward trajectory in meatpacking jobs, for example, has been going on since the 1970s (when union packinghouse jobs paid MORE in 1970s dollars than today's workers get in depreciated 2011 dollars). The Austen P-9 strike was the PATCO equivalent for the meatpacking industry.

              We have a long way to go. And a lot of Midwest workers are going to have to get used to the fact that many of those on the journey with them will be Latino.

              For those who want to take a further look at the larger issues, I'd recommend Mike Davis's Magical Urbanism: Latinos Reinvent the US City.

              •  No It's Not (1+ / 0-)
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                This is just Chapter XXXX of the same old story

                Because if were 'Chapter XXXX of the same old story' the U.S. would still be a manufacturing powerhouse which needed a constant supply of low-wage uneducated labor.

                But the U.S. is not that, and it will not be that in the future.

                What we have in the U.S. today is workers who are being laid off from manufacturing jobs and moving down the economic ladder (that is they are taking jobs which pay less overall), and as they move down the economic ladder they are now bumping into that ever cheaper labor that individuals like you insist that we need more of (because individuals like you insist that we still need this constant supply of ever cheaper labor ... because ???).

                The "revitalization" part of the story happens as people slowly are able to get other, better jobs

                Better jobs doing what? Selling pizzas to each other?

                I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

                by superscalar on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 08:46:09 AM PST

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                •  Immigration and capitalism (1+ / 0-)
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                  dfe

                  Immigrants continued to pour into the US during the 1880s and early 1890s, despite long-term depression/deflation during many of those years. They were driven by even worse conditions in their home countries (famine and pogroms in Russia, for example).

                  And of course many US workers accused them of "stealing jobs"--just as you seem to be doing. This attitude only makes the task of uniting working people--no matter what their origins--to fight to improve those wages and working conditions that much harder.

                  The focus of the article was on the impact of Latino immigration on the rural Midwest. It's true that there are tens of thousands of unemployed workers in places like Youngstown and Buffalo, but they aren't available to work in small towns in western Kansas or Iowa, where the packing plants have moved.

                  As I pointed out, in these areas the arrival of a small plant to process local stock can easily sop up the available workforce, leaving openings for immigrant workers. It is not me insisting that we need more immigrant workers--this is just an observation of the process that seems to be at work. And of course it is the corporations running the plants that are insisting that we need ever-cheaper labor.

                  Immigrant workers in these towns have a number of stories. Like earlier waves of immigrants, some of them arrive with the intention of earning some money and going back home; and do. Other have the same intention, but end up staying anyway. Slowly some open stores that serve immigrants, restaurants that serve both immigrants and Anglos, get somewhat better jobs as, say, a school janitor, an auto mechanic, a truck driver, a translator for the school district, a clerk at a Penney's store, etc. and become a permanent part of the community.

                  I grew up in such towns (my first "job" was helping herd hogs onto truck bound for Hormel's Austin packing plant). I don't live there now (because I would be totally unemployed if I did), but I still have ties to the area, visit often, and have seen the forces at work and talked to those who are on the front lines.

                  There's a different, more complicated process at work in the immigration story in places like Oakland, California, that meshes both deindustrialization and immigration that's worth discussing on its own.

  •  Immigrants saved Lowell's neighborhoods. (5+ / 0-)

    I know exactly what this story is describing because I've seen it with my own eyes.  The neighborhood centers in this city were dying, and now they're jam-packed with businesses.  If anyone has seen the movie "The Fighter," they've seen shots of Lowell's neighborhoods full of boarded-up storefronts.  Well, that's what Lowell looked like in the early 1990s.  In order to shoot the movie in the 2000s, the producers had to cover up all of the signs and storefronts that now proliferate in those districts.

    And we owe this all to the wave of immigration in the 1980s and 90s, mainly from Cambodia, but also Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, and elsewhere.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 12:50:01 PM PST

    •  Yes when I took classes at U Mass (0+ / 0-)

      I was surprised at how beuatiful Lowell is. I had heard it was a dying mill town in the 1980's. It's not a vibrant city, Sen. Tsongas, UMass, and immigrants saved that city.

      -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

      by dopper0189 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 06:45:20 PM PST

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    •  Springfield's a mess (1+ / 0-)
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      and I'm hard pressed to find many positives in what's going on there.  It's been in serious decline since the early 90's.  Same with Holyoke, which actually has been in bad shape since the 70's.

    •  Also Affordable Housing Near Jobs (0+ / 0-)

      Commuter rail access to downtown Boston, easy access to the 495 and 128 office park beltways.  I'm not surprised at all.  Unfortunately Springfield and Holyoke don't share the same benefits.

  •  How ironic that it's now "accept (2+ / 0-)
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    them" -- as your salvation!

    For my own part, living in Florida where I still, after 10 years, feel like an exile from NE, I sense a growing acceptance in America for Latinos. It seems that we are realizing how much they offer the country in so many ways and "we" like them, appreciate them. To me, the Republican voice against them is repugnant to the majority of Americans in 2011. Things have changed. Now the laws must catch up with them.

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 12:53:03 PM PST

    •  There's little exoticism about Latinos now (1+ / 0-)
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      And that's a good thing. The image of the Latino in mainstream American culture is quickly  becoming that of a mainstream American. A lot of it has to do with increased visability. Growing up, the closest thing to a Mexican restaurant we had was Taco Bell. Latinos are making great strides in media, television, art. Sure, a lot of it has to do with immigration, but many of these Latinos were always here, and were simply ignored. Also, business finally figured out that there was money to be made in marketing to Latino buyers. There is a reason JC Penny corporate produces all of their store signage in English & Spanish. It's not because there is a huge Spanish speaking population in Bumblefuck, Nebraska that they want to tap into...yet...

  •  They will fight to their last breath while (1+ / 0-)
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    Tennessee Dave

    employing them to do the jobs real merikans won't do for the wages they offer.

    Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. Harry Truman

    by temptxan on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:15:43 PM PST

  •  Absolutely true (2+ / 0-)
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    as a child of Holyoke, Mass., I can attest to the fact that despite what many of the cranky white people there bitch (just as much cranky young ones as old ones, BTW) the only glimmer of life left to Holyoke is that which the Hispanic influxhas brought to town.

    My fellow Holyoke honkies can't tell the fucking difference between cause and effect.  The town was killed when the mills pulled out to go down to "right-to-work" south, thousands of  working families left, leaving vast stretches of empty apartments that Latinos discovered they could afford to rent on farmworker wages.  But to White Holyoke, somehow that truth got stood on the head, and they believed everything was Golden in Holyoke until one day thousands of Puerto Ricans showed up in town for the sole purpose of destroying their halcyon lives.

    If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. ~Malcolm X

    by ActivistGuy on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 03:32:14 PM PST

  •  Granted, I don't live in a normal place (0+ / 0-)

    Here, many Republicans are Latino or Polynesian.

    They can put up with Republican racism, but they mistakenly think that Democrats are against their religion.

    Why not stay home where the food and soccer are better?

  •  I see it happening where I am, in slow (1+ / 0-)
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    steps.

    I see it as a great sign of hope.

  •  Been seeing this trend for a couple decades... (1+ / 0-)
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    South Minneapolis and Hanley Falls and Worthington would be ghost towns without the immigrants. I don't care if they're documented or "undocumented", thank god for 'em!

  •  Sweet. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Ideology is an excuse to ignore common sense.

    by Bush Bites on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 06:43:37 PM PST

  •  The effect on the Dakotas could be huge (3+ / 0-)
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    they already have small populations and contrary to most people view they aren't as Red as people think (ND was 45-55 for Obama). They should also help keep MN and Iowa blue and purple respectively. OK is hopeless for any Democrat for a LONG time. As for Nebraska and Kansas in the long term this will help, but they are still a long way a way from being swing, although it would be interesting if this eventually requires VRA districts (or their equivalent).

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

    by dopper0189 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 06:49:37 PM PST

  •  Possible Problem (2+ / 0-)
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    As Latinos become more affluent and comfortable, wouldn't they tend to become more Conservative, like too many of everybody else? That and a strong Catholic tradition.

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 06:51:44 PM PST

    •  You know this is something of a myth (3+ / 0-)
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      The GOP's base is working class whites. College education tends to make people more liberal, and a college education is more a sign of middle class life. Middle class whites tend to be MORE liberal than working class whites! Yes to some extent being wealthier does make people more conservative, but not until they hit the "upper class".

      Asian American, Jews, wealthier African Americans are still all fairly liberal.

      The get "wealthier get more conservative" is something of a conservative myth that really isn't as supported by the facts as people seem to think. Discrimination tends to be a powerful factor that drives groups to stay on the left, so unless the right becomes less xenophobic you won't see much movement. This is a major reason the GOP still can draw much African-American support. Mississippi blacks have the highest rate of church attendence in the nation yet still voted against the personhood amendment.

      Lastly the higher the percentage of Catholics in a state the more blue it tends to be. Obama won every 9 of the 10 most heavily Catholic states (only losing LA) and Kerry and Gore won 8 of the 10 each.

      -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

      by dopper0189 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 07:01:16 PM PST

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  •  Nostalgia for dying rural life feeds GOP n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Will you get a decent burrito in Nebraska? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    •  With all that corn (0+ / 0-)

      hopefully you can find a decent tamale . . .

      "I want my Obama back!!!"

      by Pale Jenova on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 08:14:20 PM PST

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    •  You can now. (1+ / 0-)
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      There are plenty of Taco Bell-type places, but now there are more & more Mexican mercados and restaurants run by and for Mexicans.

      -5.12, -5.23

      We are men of action; lies do not become us.

      by ER Doc on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 08:34:33 PM PST

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    •  I know a spot for (1+ / 0-)
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      ... excellent fajitas in a very small town in Oklahoma.  (Sort of an answer to your question.)

      Grab all the joy you can. (exmearden 8/10/09)

      by Land of Enchantment on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 10:26:56 PM PST

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    •  Absolutely. We live 13 miles from a small (2+ / 0-)
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      town in NW Iowa that has seen its Hispanic population grow from essentially zero, to 25%, in the past decade or so.  In the same time, so many interesting restaurants, markets, and other business endeavors have opened up, that the entire downtown has been revitalized DESPITE the Walmart lurking on the edge of the town.

        Now, there's a good stream of Vietnamese immigrants arriving there, too...so we who are "exiled" in the rural farm belt (my husband's job requires that we live far, far from the collegiate/liberal environment we used to enjoy) can at least find interesting things to eat and good produce to buy, and we are gradually learning Spanish (can't do Vietnamese; too old and stupid are we! ;-) and truly enjoying the ethnic diversity in what was--until recently--a very, very homogeneous, dull, WASPy place to live.

       Papusas, anyone? How about a nice bowl of Pho?

  •  Ooh! Ooh! I know! Pick me! (1+ / 0-)
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    The question Republicans will continue to have is whether they will accept this new America, or whether they will continue to agitate against it.

    "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.." - John F. Kennedy: Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961. We are the 99%.

    by IndieGuy on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 07:02:25 PM PST

  •  Good (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 07:09:25 PM PST

  •  Yes, It's good news... (1+ / 0-)
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    but what disturbs me is the color used by the NYT to show increases in populations.  Is this subtle racism or am I just paranoid?

  •  white turns yellow with time (0+ / 0-)
  •  I've seen this in Tennessee as well (0+ / 0-)

    although there are plenty of Asians moving there as well. From the number of Latino-owned small businesses in Tennessee, you'd expect it to be a lot more than 4% Latino, which is about what it is now. Tennessee was only 2% Latino in 2000, which should give a sense of just how fast this is happening there.

    Male, 21, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02

    by fearlessfred14 on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 09:53:48 PM PST

  •  Just traveled across (0+ / 0-)

    ... some of that population decreasing area of the country.  Two lanes, out of the way places.  There's Mexican restaurants everywhere, and plenty of brown-skinned, black-haired people around.  That's how it looked to me in, for example, Kismet, Kansas where I stopped to check out if their school was New Deal era.

    Grab all the joy you can. (exmearden 8/10/09)

    by Land of Enchantment on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 10:15:03 PM PST

  •  If Anglos are leaving (0+ / 0-)

    because there's no jobs in the middle of nowhere, what are the Hispanics doing?

    "There ain't no sanity clause." Chico Marx

    by DJ Rix on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 12:53:18 AM PST

  •  And they can speak whatever language they like... (0+ / 0-)

    Seems to me, if they live in a small town and are a large proportion of the population, let them speak what they want. In fact, my opinion doesn't count. But one opinion I do have is that the GOP needs to stay out of it. The newcomers will be taxpayers, and that's all there is to it.

    GOP/TPers butt out... ;0)

    Ugh. --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of East Somalia!"

    by unclebucky on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 03:40:38 AM PST

  •  Minority Impact (0+ / 0-)

    The 2010 census shows that the face of the country is changing faster than analysts had expected.  The growing minority will not only have an impact on future elections, but more importantly they will have an impact on future policy as a young, increasing­­­ly minority population is likely to view Democratic policies of public investment in schools, health care and infrastruc­­­ture as critical to their economic prospects.

  •  Yee Haa, Tons Of Desperate Individuals (0+ / 0-)

    Are streaming into low-wage non-union right to work states willing to work for less then the people who are already there.

    We fuckin' love this shit because we are the Democratic Party and that's just how we fuckin' roll baby.

    I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

    by superscalar on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 05:50:59 AM PST

    •  Actually, they often run their own businesses (0+ / 0-)

      I don't see the tons of jobs available in these rural areas. Otherwise the whites wouldn't be fleeing.

      Though now they can flee the scary brown people.

      "I want my Obama back!!!"

      by Pale Jenova on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 07:17:01 AM PST

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    •  Latinos make up 12 percent of labor unions (0+ / 0-)

      Presently, Latinos make up 14 percent of the American workforce and are the fastest growing group in the U.S. labor movement. Between 1983 and 2008, the percentage of Latino unionized workers has doubled, now making up 12 percent of all union members.

      http://www.extranews.net/...

      This is what happens and has happened since the birth of this nation. It is also happening in Europe. Its not like this group cannot be unionized. All the other past immigrant groups have been. You can either view them as an enemy (like the Republicans) or as a fellow member of our struggle.

      Don't let facts get in the way of your emotion though.

      •  The Facts Remain (0+ / 0-)

        That, as I have written, Tons of desperate individuals are streaming into low-wage non-union right to work states willing to work for less then the people who are already there

        Your quoting of union membership is impertinent. Wages and benefits are largely a function of the supply of available labor.

        Your inference that you can increase the supply of labor in a specific job sector and at the same time increase wages and benefits in that sector is a load of crap and you know it.

        I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

        by superscalar on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 08:51:39 AM PST

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        •  If only the world was that simple (0+ / 0-)

          You didn't say that, you basically suggested that anyone who saw this as a possibly good sign is an idiot. Obviously, you are not looking at it in the long-term.

          As for your second paragraph, wages and benefits can go up, even with more labor (workers) moving in. It depends on demand and the amount of jobs being created of course. If enough jobs are being created than it doesn't matter who is coming into the market. We have seen this happen many times. If the demand is strong enough, than lots of jobs are created. A good example of this is the mass migration of Southern African Americans to the North to work in industrial jobs.

          The United States is a very large country with lots of towns and cities, latin immigrants are not moving in and stealing jobs from the middle class. Its the Corporations that are shipping the jobs overseas that are.

          Furthermore, another way to protect wages is to unionize these new workers, thus increasing the strength of the union. Unions also tend to protect things like the minimum wage which also makes it much more difficult for employers to pay people less.

          Obviously more people moving into an area = more consumers, which equals more demand which should hopefully create more jobs. As was pointed out to you, businesses are opened to provide goods for this new groups.

          Quit being so smarmy. You are not as smart as you appear to think you are. For generations people have been blaming immigrants for things that are not their fault and your statement is no different.

  •  Belvidere, IL is a great example of this (0+ / 0-)

    This is a suburb of my city, filled with autoworkers and lots of white people who still cannot let the 50s go. Latinos are moving into this city very rapidly and bringing their culture with them (of course). The Republicans in the city continually demonize them, call them gang members and just harass and make it difficult for them. The city is still solidly Republican, but I doubt it will be in a generation or two.

    Of course the entire area is dependent on a Dodge/Chrysler plant (they built the Neon and Caliber (which I drive) ) and if that shuts down or moves that entire suburb is screwed as is a large part of my city. (Rockford, IL).

    This is the definition of rust belt and for a long time I did not know any different.

  •  My question: (0+ / 0-)

    What effect will this have on 'traditional' voting patterns there?  These areas have long been bastions of red-state, red-neck republican voting.  What will happen to that?

    And it appears that (white) people are increasingly moving to the cities (to the suburbs?), which have long tended blue.  What does this bode for future voting patterns?

    I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

    by trumpeter on Wed Nov 16, 2011 at 09:27:40 AM PST

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