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Rick Santorum, speaking in Ottumwa, Iowa on Friday:
If you're low-income ... in many states you can qualify for Medicaid, you can qualify for food stamps, you can qualify for housing assistance, and that's not if you're in poverty. That's if you're above the poverty line. And so you have all of the children growing up in an environment where government is paying you, and then we wonder why do these kids feel they're entitled to so much? [...]

That is not a healthy thing for children, it's not a healthy thing for society ... Suffering, if you're a Christian, suffering is a part of life. And it's not a bad thing, it is an essential thing in life ... There are all different ways to suffer. One way to suffer is through lack of food and shelter and there's another way to suffer which is lack of dignity and hope and there's all sorts of ways that people suffer and it's not just tangible, it's also intangible and we have to consider both.

Rick Santorum starts here with a pretty standard Republican "culture of entitlement" argument: If you give these low-income families food and health care, their kids will grow up just thinking they're entitled to food and health care, and we can't have that. If their parents' jobs don't pay enough—because note that he specifies this is people just above the poverty line, so clearly he is talking here about employed people—to pay for food and health care, then those kids should go without.

Then he whips that tried-and-true argument into a frothy mix with the suggestion that in fact denying low-income children food and health care is actually a good Christian thing to do. Because, yes, they will suffer tangibly through lack of food and shelter, but if they are getting their food and shelter in part through governmental assistance due to low-paying jobs, then they are suffering intangibly through lack of dignity and hope. And there's nothing that says dignity and hope like children starving on the street.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 10:57 AM PST.

Also republished by Progressive Hippie, ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, and Daily Kos.

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  •  Sufffer here for heaven later. (1+ / 0-)
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    That is what Christians think. Stay in a bad marriage because you are working for Eternity, not this life.

    If people could admit doubt, we could stop suffering here in case this is it.

    •  Don't forget the (0+ / 0-)

      Santorum
      link

      "People who see a contradiction between science and the bible don't really understand either." PvtJarHead

      by Tinfoil Hat on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 11:24:03 AM PST

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    •  Santorum is suffering both because... (0+ / 0-)

      of lack of dignity (having his name turned into a synonym for "flothy mixture" that never seems to go away) and lack of hope (he will never be elected POTUS like he yearns for).

      Not only is he a laughing stock, he's a losing laughing stock with no hope for the future.

    •  That's NOT what the Church teaches (0+ / 0-)

      Santorum claims to be Catholic - but that crap he spews contradicts most of what the church teaches.

      This "we all must suffer here, fun happens in heaven" meme is a core Gnostic belief. The Gnosis was an obscure late Greek philosophical/religious cult and it originally had no relation to Christianity. But over time Gnostic thinking infected and contaminated the Church, and it took massive struggles to get it out again.  Some of the worst heresies the church fought and suppressed in medieval times were essentially "Gnostics gone wild" in nature (like those crazies that claimed sex was so evil that good people should not have children at all).

      Some of it (especially its enmity to the human body and its frown on fun and joy) lingered on and especially survived in protestant circles.

      This crap Santorum spews is completely alien to his own church's teachings. Which kind of reinforces my impressin that Santorum's "faith" is essentially worship of himself.

    •  Pie in the sky (0+ / 0-)

      by and by.  Bull.

      The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth. - William O. Douglas

      by PSzymeczek on Tue Nov 22, 2011 at 10:05:30 AM PST

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    •  He Differs Exactly How From Other GOP Candidates? (15+ / 0-)

      They all believe that those with least should suffer the most & those with the most should pay the least.

      Here, Santorium just uses religion, instead of the usual excuses such as morality, voo-doo economics, tax policy, ect.        

    •  This is not Christian (8+ / 0-)

      A core Christian belief is to provide aid to the poor and suffering, not to encourage suffering in order to bring them closer to Heaven.  Through your deeds will they know you, says Christ - the true evangelism of Christianity is supposed to be the doing of good deeds.

      This belief in suffering comes from  lazy "comprehension" and conflation of Biblical passages (e.g. the camel passing through the eye of a needle, combined with the trials of many early Christians as recorded in the Bible).  These items were never meant to be taken together as a single meme...

      (I disagree about the influence of Gnostic thought in this respect; while the Gnostics did follow those lines, the Gnostic influence in the Protestant and conservative Catholic sects where suffering and the hard work ethic dominate were not derived from Gnostic antecedents.)

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

      by Phoenix Rising on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:31:02 AM PST

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      •  "Suffer the little children come to me" (9+ / 0-)

        means "permit them to come to me".  Asshole Rick is too goddamn stupid to understand JESUS DOESN'T WANT CHILDREN TO SUFFER.  

        We do not forgive. We do not forget. The whole world is watching.

        by Tracker on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:39:06 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  one of many arguments for a better translation (2+ / 0-)
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          Florid archaic language doesn't make for a good instruction manual, and that is what a lot of people see the bible as.

          Do you know why they call it the American Dream? Because it only happens when you're asleep.

          by Visceral on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:51:46 AM PST

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          •  Hey, if King James' English is good enough for (0+ / 0-)

            Jesus to speak, it's good enough for me.

            Seriously, there are some good scholarly translations, and also some dominionists have translations of their own which are not so scholarly but bolster their viewpoint.  For example there is nothing specifically about abortion in the King James version, but the dominionists have added a prohibition.  

            Some of dominionists' additions are unintentionally funny. One time a anti-choice protester was reading his version of Revelations at me, and read, "...and then there was no music in Babylon--no flutes, no drums, no pianos."

            Another of my favorites is, "And Jesus said, 'I'll be with you in fifteen minutes.'"

            As offensive as our adversaries can be, it is always the people on our own side who drive us crazy.

            by Mayfly on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:03:39 PM PST

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        •  Right--as in women's sufferage means permit them (0+ / 0-)

          to vote-something else the theocratic right would like to stop.

          As offensive as our adversaries can be, it is always the people on our own side who drive us crazy.

          by Mayfly on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 01:51:13 PM PST

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      •  Apparently it was only some gnostics (0+ / 0-)

        that followed the line.  Quite a few others didn't and believed that even though this world is a prison made by an evil creator (who is not the true god) you might as well have some fun while you are here.

        There is no saving throw against stupid.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:18:35 PM PST

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    •  What a bunch of crap (0+ / 0-)

      in a frothy mix.
      I wonder who Santorum hates more, Gays or Entitled Hungry kids mooching on the system?

  •  I think we should also bring back the days (11+ / 0-)

    of work houses.  As Newt already said, we could be making these children work too.  

    A very Dickens' Christmas could be ours if we were only Christian enough.

  •  sounds like inquistion justification (6+ / 0-)

    it will hurt will bad and then kill you but it will save your heretic soul - wow

    Oligarchy, Monopoly, Artificial Scarcity - - - All Day All Week Occupy Wall Street

    by anyname on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 11:05:12 AM PST

    •  Pope Benedict has come dangerously close (3+ / 0-)
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      to embracing this in some of his statements, especially when he was trying to destroy liberation theology back in the 80s. And this has kind of been a taint on the sainted Mother Teresa too: that she believed poverty was a blessing and not something you should try to escape.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 11:46:46 AM PST

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      •  geeze! n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Oligarchy, Monopoly, Artificial Scarcity - - - All Day All Week Occupy Wall Street

        by anyname on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 02:41:03 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  BTW (0+ / 0-)

        the real Romney came out from behind his mask;

        http://www.cbsnews.com/...

        Oligarchy, Monopoly, Artificial Scarcity - - - All Day All Week Occupy Wall Street

        by anyname on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 03:05:16 PM PST

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      •  Yes, I thought it was significant that when (2+ / 0-)
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        And this has kind of been a taint on the sainted Mother Teresa too: that she believed poverty was a blessing and not something you should try to escape.
        she was dying, her own hospital that she founded wasn't good enough for her; she was in a different one.  

        Renewable energy brings national global security.      -6.25, -6.05

        by Calamity Jean on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 10:51:05 PM PST

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      •  And Mother Teresa (0+ / 0-)

        had about $5 billion in various personal bank accounts when she died.

        The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth. - William O. Douglas

        by PSzymeczek on Tue Nov 22, 2011 at 10:07:26 AM PST

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        •  Source? nt (0+ / 0-)
          •  Christopher Hitchens interview (0+ / 0-)

            with a member of Mother Teresa's order, discussed in Hitchen's book The Missionary Position.  I may be slightly off on the amount, but not by much.  She received multiple millions from people like the Duvaliers and other right-wing dictators, as well as from general slime like Charles Keating.  She had over $50 million in one bank in NYC, and it was said that that was a tiny fraction of her personal fortune.  I'm not a great fan of Hitchens, but the truth is that Mother Teresa was a hypocrite of the highest magnitude.

            The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth. - William O. Douglas

            by PSzymeczek on Sat Nov 26, 2011 at 09:45:07 AM PST

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      •  Mother Teresa loved to impose pain (1+ / 0-)
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        She was an advocate of suffering, and of imposing pain upon her non-Christian patients too.  She bragged about this.  In a 1984 speech in the US, she said,

        One day I met a lady who was dying of cancer in a most terrible condition. And I told her, I say, "You know, this terrible pain is only the kiss of Jesus--a sign that you have come so close to Jesus on the cross that he can kiss you." And she joined her hands together and said, "Mother Teresa, please tell Jesus to stop kissing me."

        Santorum comes from that branch, tied to the Inquisition no doubt.  Ratzinger, of course, also led the Inquisition before becoming pope.
      •  I've said more than once that Mother Teresa (1+ / 0-)
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        grover

        was no saint. She could have done so much good by teaching contraception, but nope, the Catholic Church can't get on board with that. More children, more people to brainwash.

  •  More lions please. (4+ / 0-)
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  •  This makes me mad. At Democrats. (9+ / 0-)

    Where is our party's political brain trust?  You could easily make the most amazing sixty-second ad in American political history, with 5-10 seconds from each of these candidates-to-failure.  If there's time remaining, Obama could seal it all up with a bow: "In my whole life I've never said anything as dumb as what you've just heard--and this is all from the last month. "

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 11:14:26 AM PST

    •  It is ridiculous (0+ / 0-)

      how insane these guys have been. The fact that they aren't down 30 points in the polls to OBL's walking corpse tells you where we are as a country.

      Propaganda works, my friends.

    •  This whole country is broken (7+ / 0-)

      Its not just democrats fault. This asshole should be tarred and feathered and instead in today's America he's held up as a "serious" presidential candidate.

      How f'n deranged has our society become when this jackass basically is Ebenezer Scrooge personified and NO ONE calls him on it. The entire GOP field is basically running on who can be the biggest prick and half the country is lapping it up and begging for more.

      Good Lord.

      •  We watch the Republican debates for entertainment (0+ / 0-)

        in our house. Just can't wait to see the next inane, false, or mean statement that comes from these clowns.

        The sad part is, as many have said, that they have people who believe any one of them would make a good president.

    •  not dumb, immoral (1+ / 0-)
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      There is nothing stupid about anything the Republicans say.  It all follows perfect logical principles.

      The problem is that Republicans are immoral scum.  The premises they start reasoning with are absolutely wrong--- based on flawed economic theories, and driven by conservative moral values: hierarchy, exclusion, and greed.  If you share their beliefs, you see the problems they see, and the solutions make sense.  

      The real world doesn't work the way they see it, but the  thing about ideology (as opposed to, say, science) is that when the facts don't fit your beliefs, you change the facts, not the beliefs.

      You can sum up conservatism thusly: Some people are better than others. I am better than you.  What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too.  Care to stop me?  I deserve it more than you anyways, since I'm better than you. Stay out of my sight and off of my radar.  Respect your betters (like me), and follow their orders.   Also, don't bother trying to change things--- my dogs bite as much as they bark.  Besides, why would you go and mess this up?  You don't hear me complaining, do you?  If I have no grounds for complaint, the likes of you certainly don't.  Rights are earned, and I earned mine fair and square.  

      "You're not stuck in traffic, you are traffic."

      by nominalize on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 01:10:06 PM PST

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  •  Santorum also believes in (5+ / 0-)

    no abortion and no contraception.  A conservative who was more of a decent human being would at least assure that low-income families had access to reproductive services so that they wouldn't produce more children than they could adequately feed.

    Of all the lowlifes if politics today, Santorum is the lowest of the low.

    Barack Obama in the Oval Office: There's a black man who knows his place.

    by Greasy Grant on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 11:14:37 AM PST

    •  How will they manage that. Apparently (1+ / 0-)
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      there is a form of male birth control that involves putting a heating pad on your testicles for 30-45 minutes per day for a month.  Of course, you will need a microscope to make sure it is working but those are fairly cheap nowadays.  Are they going to ban microscopes (which can be bought at any educational toy store) and heating pads (available at most stores with a health and beauty section)?

      There is no saving throw against stupid.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 12:29:35 PM PST

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    •  santorum was right to life leader (0+ / 0-)

      in Pennsylvania before going to the U.S. Senate.

      He also lied about where he lived in order to get the homeowner's tax break in Pennsylvania while he was living in DC-area and his kids were in DC-area schools year-round.

      He claimed homestead break in Pennsylvania to cheat on his taxes while he was renting that house out.

    •  that , actually (0+ / 0-)

      is a nearly social darwinist suggestion. Reproductive rights should not and do not depend on economic status.

      "Preventing the poor from multiplying" was always the worst and most hideous reasons to advocate contraception.

  •  I am sick and tired... (9+ / 0-)

    of these poor kids getting government assistance. We give them breakfast, and you'll know what they'll want next? Lunch. Then, inevitably dinner.

    I would much rather live in a Third World country where starving children are begging and doing Lord knows what to survive. It's so much more Christian, don't you think?

    Bless you, Dan Savage. Normally, I shy away from sophomoric name-calling, but sometimes the shoe just fits.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 11:20:19 AM PST

  •  Insufferable idiot... (3+ / 0-)

    "there's all sorts of ways that people suffer and it's not just tangible, it's also intangible and we have to consider both."

    And then craft legislation to make sure we're doing our Christian duty to make them suffer tangibly AND intangibly.
    Don't want to leave one out because, really, it will save them in the end.

    blech.

    •  Why doesn't Santorum volunteer (2+ / 0-)
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      to suffer like this? Doesn't he want his heavenly rewards?

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 11:48:00 AM PST

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      •  He gets points (0+ / 0-)

        for making other people suffer.

      •  The lucky man wants his suffering to be eternal (1+ / 0-)
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        nellgwen

        He admires suffering that much.

        That has to be it. He is so christian he knows everything Jesus said about all that. And he wants the promise of whatever you do to the least of my brothers parable fulfilled. Because after he doesn't help the hungry, homeless, sick, imprisoned  etc he wants to hear

        Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

        Then per script all innocent sounding he can ask
        ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

        Don't worry, Jesus isn't rude. They get an answer

        “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
        “Then they will go away to eternal punishment,

        Isn't it clear that he wants the glory of eternal suffering. What a holy frigging man

        That's Matthew 25 31 to 46 as ricky well knows because he is so Christian

    •  Yes, he's that and here's a tip to you. (0+ / 0-)

      "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

      by Gorette on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:00:42 PM PST

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  •  Despicable doesn't begin to describe this man. (1+ / 0-)
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    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 11:42:25 AM PST

  •  All right then (2+ / 0-)
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    Kamakhya, Calamity Jean

    Give their parents a f**king job that pays a living wage and provides affordable health benefits.  

    Oh, wait, that would mean passing a jobs bill. Never mind, then.

  •  Don't his kids feel entitled? (3+ / 0-)

    They're not buying their food or paying rent out of their own money, are they?

    Lazy brats.

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 11:50:09 AM PST

  •  what a dick. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 12:05:55 PM PST

  •  Remember the pic of his kids crying after he (2+ / 0-)
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    lost in2006. After reading this, I don't feel bad about the joy I derived from that pic.

  •  jeebus (1+ / 0-)

    Santorum is so gross.

    A truly horrible human being.

    [insert pithy sigline here]

    by terrypinder on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 12:53:15 PM PST

  •  "Santorum, that's Latin for 'asshole'." (1+ / 0-)
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    PSzymeczek

    Thank Bob Kerry for that one.

  •  The Preacher & the Slave by Joe Hill (2+ / 0-)
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    skywriter, PSzymeczek

    If there's a reason for the rich to rule, please Lord, tell us why. -Battle of Jericol, Coal Mining Woman

    by JayRaye on Mon Nov 21, 2011 at 01:29:20 PM PST

  •  Talk about rewriting the bible? (0+ / 0-)

    Let me see how many hyocritcal hijacking of faith I can
    catch here.
    1.   Jesus fed the masses...and didn't ask questions.
    I guess according to this pharasee of modern day he was part of the problem of the left.

    2.  Suffering?  No...Jesus preached that he wanted life and more abundantly for all.  He did not say just the well off in fact he did not approve of the wealthy practices.
    More rhetoric from Jesus to prop up the left, I guess.

    3.  Taxes.... Render unto Caeser (government) that which is Caeser and that which is God's God.  Uuuuhg looks like Jesus wanted the well off to pay taxes and to help the poor through tithes and offerings...Well more
    Jesus rhetoric according to Ricky boy.

    4.   Jesus turned over a table set up with the moneychangers in the temple and got pretty angry.  He literally made a whip and that took some thought and time to make to run off what today would be bankers and Wall street thieves.  He actually said..You have turned my Father's house into a Den of thieves.
    More props to give the left an entitlement.

    5.  Visit the jails....feed the poor...if a man ask for your coat, give him your shirt as well.. (paraphrased) OK ...now we are getting to the redistribution the hijacked so called believers don't want to talk about.

    6.  Do no harm to man by word or deed.  Ooops seems like the pepper sprayers just got called out.

    Look Ricky you are blowing smoke but don't quote Christian belief that you clearly do not know anything about.  We Christians know who we really are and some are being pepper sprayed and beaten for standing on God's principles.

    3.  

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Tue Nov 22, 2011 at 07:18:09 AM PST

    •  This is the tip (5+ / 0-)

      I cannot leave for your comment!

      Peace, Hope, Faith, Love

      by mapamp on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:22:51 AM PST

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      •  That goes for me too. (0+ / 0-)

        For some reason my recommend button keeps disappearing.

        Easy peasy, squeeze the lemon.

        by nellgwen on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:09:16 PM PST

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        •  This diary is well over 24 hours old.i (1+ / 0-)
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          I think if they're going to post something so interesting infuriating on the front page, we should be able to rec/hide older comments that we're all seeing for the first time.

          It's a flaw in the system.

          Smart comments on the FP deserve recs.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not.

          by grover on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:56:51 PM PST

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    •  Matthew 25:41-45 (2+ / 0-)
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      "You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels, for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me". Then they also will answer, "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?" then he will answer them, "Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me."

      There's another passage somewhere that says that you're even more accursed if you lead others to behave badly. So, if you believe this stuff, and especially if you take it seriously, you should eschew (love that word) Frothy Rick and his un-Christian ideology.

      •  Jesus was only talking about 1% ers like (0+ / 0-)

        Herod and Pilate, not the unwashed masses though, right?

        /hoping God appreciates snark.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not.

        by grover on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 01:00:29 PM PST

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    •  Yes. yes. yes. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

      by Gorette on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:57:24 AM PST

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  •  Alleged Christian (9+ / 0-)

    I'm sick of people like him acting as if they invented Christianity.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:01:50 AM PST

  •  Laura you win the internet (8+ / 0-)
    Then he whips that tried-and-true argument into a frothy mix with the suggestion that in fact denying low-income children food and health care is actually a good Christian thing to do.

    by using the meaning of "Santorum" in a sentence!

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:03:37 AM PST

  •  Well, he's right of course, because... (4+ / 0-)

    If we... bleeeeeeaaaaargggh....

    I'm sorry...  I couldn't sink my mind into this mental sewer far enough to make that funny without vomiting...

    /snark

    One of these days, I'm gonna learn that I'm only really good at convincing people when I'm being a wiseass. Reviewtopia.net

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:03:50 AM PST

  •  I suspect that if Mr. Buttjuice took off his shirt (2+ / 0-)
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    his back would be covered with self-inflicted whip scars.

  •  Rick and Mother Theresa -- what a team (1+ / 0-)
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    M.T. pulled the same crap.

    http://www.amazon.com/...

  •  yanno, I'm done thinking the GOP can't get crazier (5+ / 0-)

    Done, I say.

    WTF.

    God, I need out of here. This country is full of sick fucks.

    I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

    by mdmslle on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:05:46 AM PST

  •  Hey, Rick? Have you ever seen this? (6+ / 0-)

    I'm guessing you haven't.

    Today's GOP. No, it's not Monty Python. Or the Onion.

    Mere passive citizenship is not enough. Men must be aggressive for what is right if government is to be saved from men who are aggressive for what is wrong. - Robert M. LaFollette

    by stcroix cheesehead on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:07:00 AM PST

  •  HORRIFYING. (9+ / 0-)

    There must be a special circle in hell for the likes of Rick Santorum.  

  •  Shades of Leona Helmsley (4+ / 0-)
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    It is the lot of the little people to suffer and it is a terrible burden for the privileged to have to hear about it day in and day out.

    Why can't they just accept that they're not as deserving?

    /snark

    "If we want to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, we need to reduce the number of our senators dependent on fossil fuel contributions." - Rodney Glassman

    by Darryl House on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:08:08 AM PST

  •  What, then, is the point of Jesus' (7+ / 0-)

    suffering if we are meant to suffer in this life?  Also, where did Jesus say little children had to suffer Sure "Suffer the little children to come unto me" is there, but it is not the same thing as "Let the little children suffer." Disgusting on so many levels.

    The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion. Molly Ivins

    by MufsMom on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:08:57 AM PST

  •  Marie Antoinette's Arrogant Bastard! (6+ / 0-)
    If these people don't think there is going to be mob justice if they don't quit spewing such insensitive nonsense, then they've learned nothing from history.

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:09:49 AM PST

  •  This is how I square it? What an f-ing moron. (4+ / 0-)
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    I wish he would stop talking and end my suffering.

  •  If I weren't already an athiest it would be (8+ / 0-)

    damn easy to not be a Christian with role models like this.  

    Everybody's going serfing, serfing USA

    by Cen Den on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:12:24 AM PST

  •  Next: bring back slavery & selling indulgences. (9+ / 0-)

    Between Newt and Santorum, GOP jumps the shark

    Suffer, you worthless little poor kids. It'll be...good for you. Build character. So does scrubbing toilets in school. Dance for your betters. Sing for us.  

    The GOP has officially gone bat-shit insane. Advocating child labor, more pain and suffering for the poor...honestly, the only way they can top this is to advocate for the resumption of slavery and the selling of religious indulgences. Maybe pimping out the daughters of poor families for bored rich guys.

  •  He sick. (4+ / 0-)
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    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:12:47 AM PST

  •  A trial of suffering... (14+ / 0-)

    Anger is what I feel as I read things like this... I've been dealing with these issues for the past few years. Trying to keep a roof over our heads, feed my family, and simply survive until things improve. I can't move to where jobs are because there are no jobs to move to in this economy. When I read this conservative load of crap I start to get very angry. I used to just get annoyed by their ignorance or downright moral constipation they suffer from. But lately I just want to grab these morons by the shoulders and shake them till they fall to pieces.

    They have never seen real hunger...
    They have never seen real pain...
    They have never felt the fear of losing everything in life...

    They are the "entitled class". They think those near or below the poverty line have it so easy scraping by on some measly pittance and handouts from shelters. I want to grab Santorum and put him in that position of having to figure out where his next meal is coming from. How to find a place to stay that won't cost him his entire paycheck. I want him to know how it feels to have no prospects for a job ...period. The devastation it feels like inside when you are NOT needed by society. That you are nothing but a shadow on the sidewalk that no one cares about.

    Now that is what I want one of these conservatives to suffer through.. just once. Before they open their mouths and stupidly say, "get a job".

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:13:46 AM PST

    •  Great comment, Wynter. (2+ / 0-)
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      I heartily agree.

      I want him to know how it feels to have no prospects for a job ...period. The devastation it feels like inside when you are NOT needed by society. That you are nothing but a shadow on the sidewalk that no one cares about.

      Btw, does he get, still, a pension from Congress? I don't know how many times you have to serve to get that.

      "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

      by Gorette on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:34:51 AM PST

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  •  "Suffer the little children" (8+ / 0-)

    I guess he misunderstood that part of Jesus's teachings. He just heard "suffer" and "children" and applied conservative ideology.

  •  So kind of you to shine a spotlight (1+ / 0-)
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    on the only true, loyal wingnut who's never come close to leading the pack, while clowns like Michelle Bachman and even Herman Cain have had a chance to top the polls....clearly cruelty alone is not enough to make one a GOP heartthrob...

    "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

    by Alice in Florida on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:15:53 AM PST

  •  Another way to suffer is when (0+ / 0-)

    Daddy fails to get Justin Bieber to play at your Sweet Sixteen Birthday Party.

    It's The SCOTUS, Stupid!

    by kitebro on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:18:16 AM PST

  •  Thufferin' Thuccatash! (4+ / 0-)

    ...and to further quote the Cartoon Cat:

    "You're De-thpiccable!"

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:18:42 AM PST

  •  theyre like a few notches away (5+ / 0-)

    from advocating for a return to slave labor.

    just think how character building that would be the poor!

    our one demand? return what was stolen.

    by stolen water on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:20:29 AM PST

  •  Santorum made $900k+ in 2010 (10+ / 0-)

    Something tells me that he doesn't believe suffering is a part of life for himself.

  •  Rick Santorum says... (10+ / 0-)

    Food, shelter and medical care are unhealthy for children.

    This man is totally divorced from reality.

  •  Can I make him suffer from my (4+ / 0-)
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    religious beliefs?

    Mine forbid eating meat. Do I get to impose them on him and tell him it will make him better in the eyes of my gods?

    "If you defeat a thousand opponents, you still have a thousand opponents. If you change a thousand minds, you have a thousand allies"

    by Donkey Hotey on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:21:21 AM PST

  •  Aren't we entitled to food and health care? (3+ / 0-)
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    A quant and damned proud of it.

    by Cera on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:22:27 AM PST

  •  I'm still embarrassed... (5+ / 0-)

    That my state sent this sick fuck to the Senate twice.

    (I usually try to comment more thoughtfully...but little Ricky still sends me into a white-hot burning rage.)

    Those are my principles...if you don’t like them I have others. Groucho Marx

    by Notthemayor on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:23:38 AM PST

  •  Matthew 19:14 (5+ / 0-)

    I think Rick misunderstands the verse

    ...the train's got its brakes on and the whistle is screaming.

    by themank on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:24:07 AM PST

    •  also Luke 16:19-31 (5+ / 0-)

      He also forgot about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Lazarus was a poor dude whose only healthcare was dogs licking his wounds. Both die. Lazarus is carried by angels to the bosom of Abraham, and the rich guy ends up elsewhere, in great torment. Lazarus feels sorry for the suffering rich guy and wants to give him water, but Abraham says "no way, it's payback time".

      Santorum is obviously one of those "cafeteria Catholics" who pick and choose the doctrines they want.

  •  OK-draw a parallel picture about the rich (4+ / 0-)
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    The "Silver Spoon" Class......Born rich, feeling entitled always to be rich.

    Born rich and given tax breaks and special deals not available to others....feeling entitled to keep this status quo.

    How can we make Santorum & Co. understand The Founding Fathers' horror of the evils of inherited wealth...its corrosive effect?

    Great article with ideas for future debate topics:

    http://www.economist.com/...

    Estate tax and the founding fathers
     You can't take it with you

     Oct 14th 2010  by Lexington

    SNIPPET:
     

    Jefferson cited Adam Smith, the hero of free market capitalists everywhere, as the source of his conviction that (as Smith wrote, and Jefferson closely echoed in his own words), "A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural." Smith said: "There is no point more difficult to account for than the right we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death."

    The states left no doubt that in taking this step they were giving expression to a basic and widely shared philosophical belief that equality of citizenship was impossible in a nation where inequality of wealth remained the rule. North Carolina's 1784 statute explained that by keeping large estates together for succeeding generations, the old system had served "only to raise the wealth and importance of particular families and individuals, giving them an unequal and undue influence in a republic" and promoting "contention and injustice." Abolishing aristocratic forms of inheritance would by contrast "tend to promote that equality of property which is of the spirit and principle of a genuine republic."

  •  Suffering is one thing. Being forced to die (5+ / 0-)

    is quite another.

    If poor children are denied Medicaid coverage, it is inevitable that many of them will die.

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:26:17 AM PST

  •  Ban birth control (6+ / 0-)

    and then deprive these parents of the ability to feed their many, many children.  Gee, I must have missed that lesson at church.

    •  I didn't miss that in church. (4+ / 0-)

      Go to your local Catholic church sometime.

      The two lessons I learned were that birth control was bad and suffering was good and should be "offered up to God".

      Oh, and masturbation was a ticket to hell. I learned that too, and I'm guessing Rick did also.

      Mere passive citizenship is not enough. Men must be aggressive for what is right if government is to be saved from men who are aggressive for what is wrong. - Robert M. LaFollette

      by stcroix cheesehead on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:44:18 AM PST

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  •  I remember back in the day (2+ / 0-)
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    Democrats were always getting suckered into "courageous" statements about how they would raise taxes.  Turns out voters didn't value honesty.  Who knew? Right?  Anyway, these Republicans are pretty much falling into that trap.  No dummies, promising to make children suffer is not a good strategy.  But keep it up!

    I am not interested in arguing about Barack Obama

    by satanicpanic on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:27:43 AM PST

  •  John 11:35-Jesus wept. (0+ / 0-)

    And I weep, as well.

    Peace, Hope, Faith, Love

    by mapamp on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:28:38 AM PST

  •  Hey Rick! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm sure you've suffered long and hard for just being you.  But I wish you could really suffer the same way you seem to delight that low-income children should suffer.  You are literally a frothy mixture.

  •  Weird spin on Catholic social teaching! (3+ / 0-)
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    When I read the headline I was going to comment it sounds like a Roman Catholic thing, and then sure enough, he brought up Christianity.

    I grew up Roman Catholic. Eventually left - but as a kid, I was extremely proud of what I saw as a religion of poor immigrants, and my family, Irish and Italian, had immigrated about 100 years earlier and had been poor.

    Read the New Testament: it is stuffed with Jesus condemning the rich, powerful and privileged, telling them their attitudes make it harder to get into heaven than a camel through the eye of a needle.

    Jesus is constantly going around forgiving people for sexual sins and casting off Jewish rules and dietary restrictions. He's turning to the powerful and saying YOU'RE the ones who are doing something wrong.

    Catholic social teaching does tell the poor and disadvantaged to be patient in their suffering; it is attempting to give them hope, since many of them do live their whole lives without significant change. Catholic social teaching NEVER tells the privileged and comfortable to tolerate suffering, though. It tells the privileged and comfortable to give their privilege up and change.

    Basically the message is, to the poor: this world sucks, you will be rewarded in the next for what you've been through, and to the rich: your comfortable life is not what God intended while others are suffering.

    I left the church because after an introspection driven by the fact that I am gay, but ultimately became Unitarian Universalist. There are gay Catholics who stay, hoping to change the church - they see it as mostly good because of its other teachings. It didn't happen that way for me.

    If the Church gave the same full-throated effort to defend welfare, the poor and immigrants, that it does in condemning same-sex relationships and abortion, I would not agree with it entirely but would at least not consider it hypocritical.

    Instead, I see them going soft on wealth disparity because they don't want to offend their middle-class congregants and donors. If they actually taught what Jesus did, the churches would empty out like rats fleeing a sinking ship and a whole new flock of people would come in. I know this is true because that's what happened in Christianity when Jesus was actually teaching.

    •  I wonder if the starting point (0+ / 0-)

      for Santorum was John Paul II's "Salvifici Doloris", a meditation on salvation through suffering. Of course, this is an age-old theme in Catholicism with its penances and mortification of the flesh, but John Paul seems to exalt human suffering to a new level (I'm no expert on theology).

      From the conclusion:

      This is the meaning of suffering, which is truly supernatural and at the same time human. It is supernatural because it is rooted in the divine mystery of the Redemption of the world, and it is likewise deeply human, because in it the person discovers himself, his own humanity, his own dignity, his own mission.

      "I had seen the universe as it begins for all things. It was, in reality, a child's universe, a tiny and laughing universe." Loren Eiseley

      by cadejo4 on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:53:49 AM PST

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      •  What "mission" do suffering people come to (0+ / 0-)

        when their main form of suffering is poverty or discrimination?

        By my observations, they are most likely to become liberal social advocates.

        •  John Paul II gets at that a bit in his (0+ / 0-)

          discussion of the parable of the Good Samaritan, which reveals the extent to which Santorum has perverted a basic Catholic teaching:

          In the messianic programme of Christ, which is at the same time the programme of the Kingdom of God, suffering is present in the world in order to release love, in order to give birth to works of love towards neighbour, in order to transform the whole of human civilization into a "civilization of love". . .  At one and the same time Christ has taught man to do good by his suffering and to do good to those who suffer. In this double aspect he has completely revealed the meaning of suffering.

          "I had seen the universe as it begins for all things. It was, in reality, a child's universe, a tiny and laughing universe." Loren Eiseley

          by cadejo4 on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:43:23 PM PST

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          •  There's NO room for modern-day conservatism (0+ / 0-)

            in that worldview.

            Maybe it doesn't change much regarding abortion or same-sex marriage (although I think there's plenty of room for the church to change its view on them) but it certainly doesn't play into the "taxation is stealing" meme.

  •  I'd like to drive nails through Santorum's wrists. (2+ / 0-)
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    Think of not as violence, but rather, a way to elevate Santorum's suffering to the pinnacle of Christian achievement.

    Regards,
    Corporate Dog

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    by Corporate Dog on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:29:45 AM PST

  •  For Rick, it's truely "suffer, suffer, suffer (2+ / 0-)
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    the little children, and do not let them come unto me."

    "Keep them out of my sight! Let them not have cake, let them not have food period."

    Oh, yes, Rick, Jesus would be so very happy with you, you religious hypocrite you!!

    See, Rick, it goes like this:

    If the children don't have food to eat, and they go hungry, and they don't have healthcare and they DIE?

    That's on you! Jesus and his dad would say "Bye-bye Rick. Go to hell." Or something like that, no?

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:30:09 AM PST

  •  OT, Santorum was good at constituent services (1+ / 0-)
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    according to my colleagues in Pennsylvania who felt extremely well-served by his Senate staff. They were afraid to vote against him because whatever he was doing they couldn't imagine better.......

    His voting record.....they didn't know or care as much about it.

    Never laugh at fools who seemingly could never be elected--they laughed at Hitler, considered him fringe.......
    and he's not a unique case.

    In my lifetime....seeing Ronald Reagan get into politics was a real shocker! Washed-up B-actor, etc. I remember the sense of total disbelief when people voted him Governor of California.

  •  Santorum evidently pushs prosperity theology... (6+ / 0-)
    Prosperity theology or gospel (also known as the health and wealth gospel) is a Christian religious belief whose proponents claim the Bible teaches that financial blessing is the will of God for Christians. Most teachers of prosperity theology maintain that a combination of faith, positive speech, and donations to Christian ministries will always cause an increase in material wealth for those who practice these actions.

    The rich are rich because they are righteous and thus are deserving of wealth. The poor are wicked and sinful, and thus deserve to suffer.

    •  not Catholicism, but Calvinism (2+ / 0-)
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      Calvinists are at least open about believing this, but the Catholic Church has always had problems with getting in bed with the rich and powerful in the pursuit of donations and the power to force itself on people.

      Do you know why they call it the American Dream? Because it only happens when you're asleep.

      by Visceral on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:12:19 PM PST

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    •  In what proportion? (0+ / 0-)
      a combination of faith, positive speech and donations to Christian ministries

      So, salvation can only be attained by earning it through good works or speeches? To use an ancient word, this is heresy, unless of course the proportion is 100% faith. Permit me to quote from the book of James, "Show me your faith without works, and I by my works will show you my faith".

      Christianity is a religion of community. One's contribution to the betterment of the community exhibits one's faithfulness to the community, and thus one's "righteousness". The GOP's ideology subordinates community to individuality. Thus "prosperity theology" is antithetical to Christian theology.

      Go back and read Matthew. GOP ideology is anti-Christian. Spread the word.

  •  Shouldn't be surprised (2+ / 0-)
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    No one should be surprised it's the same kind of crap this smarmy little twit has been tossing out there for a long time.  The thing that concerns me the most is the amount of "Christians" who agree with him.  I'm sure Jesus would be proud.
    I've been a pacifist most of my adult life and even I want to take him out behind a building and beat the snot out of him.

  •  So how are the top 1% suffering? (10+ / 0-)

    Just want to make sure I understand the frothiness:

    Children starving and living on the street is acceptable suffering because it builds character.

    The top 1% suffering through a 3.6% increase on their marginal adjusted income over $250,000 is socialism.

    Yep, I think I got it.

    "Religion and Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together" - James Madison

    by SierraDrinker on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:34:47 AM PST

  •  Hey Rick (4+ / 0-)
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    Who's paying you?

    I was drawn to the flame because of the light, but got lost in the smoke.

    by maizenblue on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:35:22 AM PST

  •  I would agree with everything he said except (5+ / 0-)

    for his conclusion, and the unspoken original premise it's based on.
    He's assuming there's poverty in the world which is a natural state, and the generation after generation of poor kids growing up dependent on the gov. is an un-natural state, i.e. socialism.
    The fact is that now we have a world in which the poor are poor because the rich choose for them to be. The rich create poverty and democratic governments act to ameliorate the poverty, partly out of humanity and civilization, but also to prevent (in the 20th century), a Marxist revolution.
    These folks thought that because the Soviet Union died and that Marxism as a living social force died with it, that the demand for social justice also died.

    Now we know better.
    Wall Street is a massive tumor on the American economy, which has been fertilized by the religion of "the free market" (which has never and will never exist), and the redistribution of wealth toward the top has become so great that it now threatens capitalism itself. So, GIVE US SOME FUCKING JOBS NOW so that we can have a growing middle class into which the poor can climb, taking the strain off our social safety net, and create renewed demand so that the investment class can reap sustainable profit. Then the revenues from that income and profit can pay down the deficit and the economy will be more secure.
    Problem fucking solved, Santorum. So shut the fuck up.

  •  Didn't Ebenezer Scrooge make the same argument? (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Brzezinski also pushes that 'dignity' meme. He (1+ / 0-)
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    asserts that is what nations and nationalities, as in those nationalities in Russia and China that are distinct cultural entities, desire most - dignity. He uses dignity as a reason to push for the breakup of Russia and China into ethnic groups to decentralize their power.

    The Right has taken up 'dignity' to use as an argument against government assistance to individuals and families. Dignity is used to contrast the quality of individual action over collective aid, a false equivalence if there ever was one.

    If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. ~ George Washington

    by 4Freedom on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:47:16 AM PST

    •  Doesn't that imply our South should be (1+ / 0-)
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      able to secede?  What do they make of that?

      The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

      by lysias on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 01:48:10 PM PST

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      •  The Brzezinski model was only proposed to (0+ / 0-)

        strengthen the US and weaken its primary rivals for global power.

        Neither our right nor Mr. Brzezinski want the South to secede. They want to weaken other influences to strengthen the US as the global superpower.

        If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. ~ George Washington

        by 4Freedom on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 02:09:25 PM PST

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  •  Does Sen. Santorum wonder why he polls so low? (1+ / 0-)
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    One gets the feeling that these 7 clowns are all handed insane theories by the GOP to see what kind of crap gains resonance.

    I think Huntsman is the only one of them who has not suggested something totally unconscionable to decent people during this 'race.'

    (Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Ryan, Gingrich, Romney)

    Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn. - Poor Richard's Almanac 1755
    The government exists to protect us from the thugs who got rich ripping off our ancestors. - Mungley 2011

    by mungley on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:47:34 AM PST

  •  Elitism turning into a religion (4+ / 0-)

    Republicans are doing something amazing here.  They are actually turning elitism into a cultural norm, using the fact that there are a lot of people involved in organized religion as a kind of intellectual trojan horse.

    None of this has anything to do with Jesus or theology.  It is instead a way that elitism can be something everyone supports, especially the many who are not elite.

    There is a weird aspect to human nature that makes this possible, it would seem.  The suffering of the poor is necessary because it is simply good for the soul and it is wrong to do anything about it, thus creating a logical necessity in making the distribution of wealth benefit the already wealthy.  

    That there are people running for President of the United States espousing this line of thinking is shocking.

    To begin with, these people are Tories.  In essence they are about building an aristocracy based on these cultural ideas.

    They certainly are distorting Christianity to do it.  That there is an entire population segment across the US that would vote for these people is some sort of phenomenon that belongs in a psychology textbook.  

    Something very perverse is going on here.  It would be funny if it didn't have such a potential for creepy consequences.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:47:35 AM PST

  •  In just 9 years he'll get a pension from us! (4+ / 0-)

    Serving two terms in the Senate, his pension will not be inconsiderable. I think he should deny his pension and suffer for his own good.

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 11:49:02 AM PST

  •  GOP voters will assume it's code (2+ / 0-)
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    He's only talking about BROWN children.

  •  What A Disgusting Punk. (1+ / 0-)
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    This is mental illness range. There is nothing Chrisitian in the least about these twisted morons and their crap.

  •  Yikes! (2+ / 0-)
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    Dumbass doesn't begin to describe it.

  •  Psychology (0+ / 0-)

    These idiots, like Santorum, seem to grasp to the tiny sliver of the (fake) psychological evidence and effects of recieving welfare yet amazingly ignore the completely real and well studied effects of living in poverty and it's efffect on crime, education, self image and social mobility.

    Will someone please pull the plug on this group of "morans".

  •  Read Satantorum's quote and (0+ / 0-)

    was immediately reminded of Denis Leary's "A@@hole" song:

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    The Right beats its chest over the symbols of America, while the Left works to guard its substance.

    by Gentle Giant on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:15:27 PM PST

  •  I like the dignity and hope theme (1+ / 0-)
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    that the diarist used.  Bravo.

    But this brief analysis does not focus at all on the fact that he said that suffering is a good thing.  

    Republicans are constantly forced into saying contradictory things.  It is a result of their ideology.  Hence, helping people hurts them.  Hurting people is good for them.  Not helping is a duty, even a Christian duty.  Cutting revenues increases revenues.  Deficits in DC are causing unemployment.  Corporations are people.  Pepper spray is a harmless vegetable product.  The military and the VA contain no socialized medicine of any kind.  

    Its a never ending feast for critical logicians.  

    The robb'd that smiles steals something from the thief. -- Shakespeare

    by not2plato on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:20:32 PM PST

  •  Here's the kicker for me (1+ / 0-)
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    joe wobblie

    A while ago my aunt told me that our family on that side is related to this asshole.
      My Grandmother's last name was Santori. And she as well as my parents, and I were born in Pittsburgh. Or at least the Pittsburgh area.
      I have never nor will ever bother to check to see if it's true or not. If it's not true I'll be happy. If it is true I'm stuck with everybody has at least one "Black Sheep" in their family.
       He's such an idiot. A lot of suffering poor children grew up to be great and powerful Mafia Dons. He should know that because that side of the family's got "Juice." And he should know that too. Or at least had juice, probably still has juice.
      We're Sicilian.

    Easy peasy, squeeze the lemon.

    by nellgwen on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:41:18 PM PST

  •  Just thinking of their immortal souls... (0+ / 0-)

    The earlier and more often they suffer, the quicker they get to heaven: die sooner and whisked away to eternal bliss without a detour to purgatory.  Or something.

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 12:49:47 PM PST

  •  Worse than santorum? (0+ / 0-)

    I think Ricky S needs to go santorum himself after this line of 'reasoning'.

    WTF do these people talk about behind closed doors if they think that THIS was one of the best things he could bring up for discussion?

  •  Good God (0+ / 0-)

    Some of the most entitled people I have EVER met have been very wealthy kids (some of whom were millionaires times over in their own right because of trust funds), not poor kids.  The poor little rich kids, who when forced to compete based on merit, acted like the world had ended. Poor kids (I was one) are extremely motivated to get out of poverty. I for one was and did.

  •  Then make the rich burn their own houses down. (0+ / 0-)

    And ask them to throw all their money in the gutter, Rick. That will make THEM suffer. And you do want the rich to suffer too, don't you?

    •  I know how to make the rich suffer (0+ / 0-)

      Make them pay taxes. Lots of them. More than those horrid poor people.

      That will make them good Christians. We should pass some really hefty tax bills just to make sure the rich suffer as much as the poor.

      It's for their own good.

  •  This person -Santorium - what religion (0+ / 0-)

    is he? Can anyone be less Christian?

  •  God-boy Santorum misreads Mark 10:4 (0+ / 0-)

    Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God.

  •  Children suffering? (0+ / 0-)

    I challange Rick Santorum to name one Christian religion that advocates the suffering of children.  I am not a Christian and I know better than that.  Santorum is just another self-serving republicon asshole.  End of story.

  •  That's my favorite part of the Bible (0+ / 0-)

    The part where Christ says "It is easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle, than it is for a poor person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:12:15 PM PST

  •  This is why I could never be a Republican (0+ / 0-)

    Certainly, one may hold adults responsible for poor life choices.

    However, to hold children responsible for poor life choices of their parents is ignorant, ill-advised, cruel and harsh.

    My philosophy has been and will continue to be that if we are to consider ourselves a humane society, we will recognize that there will always be those who cannot or will not care for themselves.  If we are to rise above petty greed and selfishness, we must acknowledge this fact and care for any who are incapable for any reason of caring for themselves.

    The above is absolutely true for children.  EVERY CHILD DESERVES WITHOUT RESERVATION FOOD IN THE STOMACH, A ROOF OVER THE HEAD, CLOTHES UPON THE BACK AND ADEQUATE HEALTHCARE.

    Anyone, Repub or Dem who would dispute this needs to examine whether they are indeed human.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Mohandas K. Ghandi

    by Randolph the red nosed reindeer on Wed Nov 23, 2011 at 03:22:06 PM PST

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