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Why Americans Are Getting Ginormously Humongously Larger-Sized

REAL CLASSIFIED: "FOR SALE/BABY CAR SEAT/FITS 30-1100 POUNDS"

1. You can now buy a motorized ice-cream cone that spins so you don't have to lick it, you just stick out your tongue. That’s why I was going to call this “ARE WE GETTING EVEN FATTER AND LAZIER?” 

2. Dieting is almost impossible in America now. The Outback Steakhouse has cheese fries that are 2,900 calories. We are supposed to have 2,000-3,000 calories a DAY, not as an appetizer.

3. I read a Jamba Juice has almost as many calories as a Ben & Jerry's, so I went back to the Ben & Jerry's.

4. Kentucky Fried Chicken has a new sandwich which uses fried chicken as the bread. I might as well have the trainee behind the counter shoot me in the head.

I finally got down from 305 (I’m 6-5) to 260 with 20 to go. I was afraid I would get to the The Third Stage of Big-Guyness.

 Let's review.

THE THREE STAGES OF BIG GUY-NESS

Stage One: You have to unbutton your pants after a big meal.
Stage Two: You have to wear all your shirts untucked no matter what.
Stage Three: Sweat pants at a wedding.


5. Frozen yogurt. I have never eaten frozen yogurt. My friend made me go into the frogurt place and I say what flavors do you have? She says, "We have chocolate, strawberry and vanilla fat-free cholesterol-free frozen yogurt. And to put ON it, we have jimmies, sprinkles, plain M&Ms, peanut M&Ms, almond M&M's, peanut butter M&M's, Hershey's Kisses, Heath Bars, Snickers--what would you like on it?" I said, "How about putting some fuckin' Ben & Jerry's on it. What difference could it make at this point?"

6. Denny’s now has a hot-fudge sundae with bacon in it, to which Americans said “What--no whipped cream?” KFC just introduced their “Cheesy Bacon Bowl”, fried cheese, chicken, and bacon, and the response was “Where’s the damn sour cream?!?”

7. We are food obsessed in this country. A man has invented a "Lucky Charms Sifter" which removes just the marshmallows. And WHO SAYS we don't make anything in America anymore?

8.

HEADLINE: "MCFOAM? MCRIB IS FOUND TO CONTAIN SAME INGREDIENT AS GYM MATS"

I just thought they bred cows with no bones. I would not put it past them. Google where their EGGS come from.

9. Kraft's new TV slogan is "Kraft Singles: The American Cheese". Seriously, it is as All-American as you can get: it's flavorless, it's pre-sliced, it's wrapped in plastic, and it's not cheese.

10. TRUE: Costco announced they are adding a new line of caskets to their Coffin Department: very big oversized coffins for the morbidly obese who went all the way with the "morbid" part. I hear that next they will be offering coffins made of Spandex and Jeggings.

11. They are selling a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in a can and they call it the "Canwich". I thought it was lame when I was a kid and they sold the bad peanut butter and weird grape jelly already mixed, but my Mom loved that--it saved a step. Come on--I know what it's like to live alone as a hopeless bachelor, but never, ever, did I say, "I don't have the energy to make this PB&J--WHY doesn't it COME in a CAN?"

12. International House of Pancakes has opened “IHOP Express”. It’s self-serve and has an “interactive syrup bar”, for people who think sitting down and ordering takes too damn long to EAT.

13. KFC is selling a Pepsi "MegaJug!" for $2.99. It's half a gallon, 800 calories, 652 grams of sugar, and one dollar goes to The Juvenile Diabetes Association, I guess to fund their efforts to get children to eat less sugar. To understand the logic please see the etchings of M.C. Escher.

WARNING: They just took an honors-student elementary school student out of his home and away from his parents and put him in foster care? What did he do? Weighed 200 pounds. It’s a thin world, folks. Watch out the Fat Police don’t come and drag you away.

I heard there is a status airlines use now: "Too Fat To Fly". This is sizeism, has the new F-word, and makes people feel really bad. Was on a long road trip in the late 80's 50 flights a year, and they put me on an 18-seater jet. Empty. I sat in the back, put my feet up on an armrest and thought "This is the first time I've had a good seat on a flight." The flight attendant comes back and she says, "I'm sorry, sir, the pilot says you have to sit in the middle to balance the plane." I'll tell you when I'm kidding.

Afterword: Please read some of the amazing comments below. You will find theses on food and dieting and food ingredients and genetics and one guy who thought this was actually funny. Fascinating.

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  •  Tip Jar (22+ / 0-)

    ‎"Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." --Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Doug Ferrari on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 03:14:38 AM PST

  •  Sort of funny. (12+ / 0-)

    It's extremely serious though.

    That KFC guy selling the Herb is killing customers with his chicken, not the weed.

    No mention of tobacco: tobacco doesn't necessarily make people fat, but it's one of those habits that accompanies a variety of other habits - shitty fast food + alcohol + tobacco: you're going to get fat, get diabetes, be a drain to the healthcare system and then die younger than you should.

    Oh.. and TV and Video games - sit around for hours a day after and during your eating of shitty snack foods, get no exercise, DON'T burn calories or lift a finger to exercise.

    As Americans become ginormous, they have some time ago made Type II diabetes an epidemic. The shitty american lifestyle is what does it.

    But what does the government do??? Howls at you, ounishes you, hounds you for smoking marijuana, which does not have many proven actual deleterious effect on the health, especially if its SOMEONE LIK ME who exercizes, eats well, cares about my health, NEVER smokes cigarettes, and drinks a tiny bit once in a blue moon. Im 51 and people are just shocked to learn this - I'd pass 45 especially with some of the 45 year olds I see in shitty physical condition.

    I gotta tell you - If I can do it - pretty much any body can.

    And if America would just stick to smoking pot, it would be a better place.

    •  Don't forget sitting around on our asses and (4+ / 0-)
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      posting comments on blog sites.

    •  Diabetes has been with us for a long time. (4+ / 0-)
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      slapshoe, Timaeus, freesia, Egg

      Contrary to popular belief, people do not get diabetes just from overeating. Diabetes has a strong genetic link.  The metabolic malfunction that causes one to become a Type II Diabetic makes one fat, not the other way around.   Insulin resistance causes one to store calories instead of putting them to use in muscle tissue.  Granted, weight gain increases insulin resistance, but one has to carry one of the type II diabetes genetic markers in the first place.

      I am a type II diabetic.   I did not eat my way to being a type II diabetic.  My grandmother and mother both died of diabetes-related complications.  I was on the fast track to a painful early death earlier this year until I found the right endocrinologist.   I was running a 10.1 HbA1c on a combination of oral meds and long-acting insulin.  Increasing my insulin dosage did not fix the problem.  Working with a new endocrinologist, I discovered that my problem was not decreasing insulation production, but abnormal alpha-cell function.   I was taken off of insulin and put on a glucagon-like peptide 1-based drug known as Victoza.  My HbA1c dropped to 5.6 without heavy dietary restrictions.

      What I am trying to say is that we are only now beginning to truly understand Type II diabetes.  Ten years ago, I would have been put on short-acting, pre-meal insulin.  All that would have accomplished would have been to make me fatter and mask the symptoms instead of addressing the real problem.

      In closing, the reason why we are seeing spikes in diabetes today is due to a huge spike in carbohydrate consumption.  That spike has been primarily driven by the corn lobby and one company in particular; namely, Archer Daniels Midland (ADM).  Corn is pervasive in our modern diet (corn, in one form or another, is in everything).  Corn is a starch, and starch gets converted to sugar by the body.  Sugar causes increases in insulin production.  In those who carry the insulin resistance gene,  sugar consumption can cause huge spikes in insulin production as the cells no longer respond correctly to insulin.   The body switches from burning calories to storing calories, which, in turn, leads to weight gain.  Weight gain increases insulin resistance, which, in turn, causes further increases insulin production.  It's a vicious cycle that eventually leads to point where one's pancreas cannot overcome the body's refusal to use insulin correctly, leading to type II diabetes.

      The GOP has become the "Jerry Springer" party.

      by ConcernedCitizenYouBet on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 08:04:40 AM PST

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      •  Yep..... (0+ / 0-)

        and all that tv, inactivity, crappy eating in general, and evasion of actual exercise ain't helping.

        •  I was an all-natural body builder when (0+ / 0-)

          I first started to experience insulin resistance, so that blows a hole in your lack of exercise argument.   The low-fat diet craze is what kicked off the problem.  Low-fat diets tend to be high-carbohydrate diets.    A low-fat/high-carbohydrate diet is a premature death sentence for people who carry any of the insulin resistance genetic makers.  A person who carries any of these markers is better off eating a high fat/high fiber diet than he/she is eating a low-fat/high-carbohydrate diet.  Fat doesn't make a person with insulin resistance fat--carbohydrate intake does!  

          The GOP has become the "Jerry Springer" party.

          by ConcernedCitizenYouBet on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 04:37:06 PM PST

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    •  You Are Wrong About Cigarettes... (2+ / 0-)
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      Catesby, ConcernedCitizenYouBet

      Nicotine is an appetite suppressant.  Many young girls start smoking to stay thin.  My mother tried to quit many times and always went back to smoking after she gained 10 pounds.

  •  The War on Fat (2+ / 0-)
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    will be great for law enforcement.

    No pee tests, no sobriety test, just profiling.

    Fat people have to come out of their homes sometimes - can hide in a basement and be fat on the weekends and hope you're not drug tested 3 weeks from then.

    Just say no to fat.

  •  Great stuff for a stand up comic. (5+ / 0-)

    As someone who has shed 60 pounds over the last two years as she wondered about some of those things, I'd have to add....

    Just say no.  It's the only way.

  •  You people have no self-control! (2+ / 0-)
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    No will power. It's not the marketers fault. Now shut up and get back on the War on Drugs.

    Republicans, the slum lords of America. They never fix anything and then blame the tenants when it all falls apart.

    by PowWowPollock on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 03:53:19 AM PST

  •  Our behaviors are in our control (2+ / 0-)
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    not everything can be blamed on dna.

    "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones."

    "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

    by roseeriter on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 04:17:07 AM PST

    •  Do you think 600 million years of vertebrate (9+ / 0-)

      evolution would leave nutrition, hunger, and satiety up to willpower?

      Nonsense. When your brain is not receiving the hormonal signals that it's full, it thinks it's starving, and you will eat.

      There's something, or some group of things, that have been increasingly added to our diet that inhibit satiety.

      My money's on fructose (whether in the form of sugar, fruit juice, or corn syrup).

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 05:05:46 AM PST

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      •  Oh my, so knowing right from wrong is due to (0+ / 0-)

        fructose?  No wonder.  OY!

        "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones."

        "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

        by roseeriter on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 05:34:09 AM PST

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        •  Right from wrong? No. Right from wrong doesn't (10+ / 0-)

          enter into it. Obesity is a biochemical problem, not a moral one - after all, if it were about a moral failure of willpower, we wouldn't be having an epidemic of obesity in infants.

          Fructose (which metabolizes almost exclusively in the liver, unlike glucose, which can be metabolized in any cell in the body), has a long chain of side effects that not only drive de novo lipogenesis, but produce byproducts in the blood that inhibit the satiety hormone leptin while simultaneously causing hyperinsulinemia, causing the body to prioritize weight gain over all other functions.

          The likely explanation for this is that a miocene ape ancestor evolved this response as an adaptation for winter - the main source of fructose in nature is found in fruit, which ripens in fall (just before 3 months of no food), and so adapted that the sudden presence of fructose in the diet became a signal to make weight gain the body's top priority. But you can only get so much of it through whole fruit (because of the limited seasonal availibility, and large amounts of fiber that slows ingestion).

          Fructose from processed sources - cane & beet sugar, honey, HFCS, or fruit juices, consumption of which is up a factor of six since the early 1900s, are simply something no human (but enlightment-era aristocracy, who had the same problem) has heretofore encountered.

          Modern obesity is, in essence, our bodies perpetually preparing for a winter that never comes. Our brains are convinced by this mechanism that we are starving, and are hence always hungry.

          Our bodies, and our cravings, are not driven by magical little homonculi of spiritual willpower. Consciousness is an afterthought recently grafted onto a finely tuned biological machine; and while it takes credit for what we do, is responsible for surprisingly little of it. When we ingest a toxin that upsets our biochemistry, consciousness is not enough to restore that - except, if we're smart enough, to remove that toxin from our diet.

          Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

          by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 05:50:29 AM PST

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          •  BS. I read labels, pay attention to how I feel (0+ / 0-)

            after putting something in mouth, exercise etc., etc. Never had a weight problem.

            But there's apparently an excuse for anyone who's determine to put their life and mind in someone or something else's control.

            Easy to get hypnotized/duped or one's own role in their own life about anything when people stop paying attention..

            But not to worry. god's got the whole world in his hands...

            "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones."

            "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

            by roseeriter on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 06:01:35 AM PST

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            •  Be careful, (3+ / 0-)
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              myboo, freesia, greengemini

              I have never had a problem either but throughout my career I have learned that my experience in no way transferes to others.  The problems are not as simple as you are making them.  

              And she's good at appearing sane, I just want you to know. Winwood/Capaldi

              by tobendaro on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 06:05:53 AM PST

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              •  There are a great many (1+ / 0-)
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                tobendaro

                diet and lifestyle issues in our culture that are undoubtedly factors that add up to out-of-control weight gain. What gets me is the people who blame it all on one thing, like fructose (as here), or MSG.

                I recently read of a study that showed that even HFCS is only responsible as it has increased our intake of sugar, not because of any evil properties it has.

                •  You mistake my point. I'm not talking about HFCS (2+ / 0-)
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                  I'm talking about all fructose sources, of which HFCS comprises maybe a third of our diet. People who focus on HFCS are barking up the wrong tree, since there's virtually the same amount of fructose in a gram of HFCS as there is in table sugar, honey, agave, or the sugars in fruit juices.

                  Prior to WWI, we were ingesting about 15-20g of fructose from all sources per day. Now we're up to 130-150g per day. And the plots you've seen generally ignore the contribution of sugars from fruit juices, so it's worse than you've seen.

                  Not all sugars are the same - it's not simply a thermodynamic relationship; the way the body metabolizes them is vastly more important, in that each metabolic process drives the production of different hormonal signaling mechanisms.

                  Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                  by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:16:27 AM PST

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                •  And again, "lifestyle" can not explain obesity (3+ / 0-)

                  in infants any more than "willpower" can.

                  Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                  by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:19:01 AM PST

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                •  One Of The Lifestyle Issues That... (1+ / 0-)
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                  tobendaro

                  affect obesity is "all you can eat buffets".  I rarely go to them because I overeat when I go there.  But if you look around yo will notice that the obesity rate is much higher at Buffets than at other restaurants, even fast food.

                  I have a friend that says that his favorite restaurant is any "all you can eat buffet", because he never goes away hungry.

                  That is a recent mindset to "never go away hungry", since most health professionals say you should be a little hungry when you finish your meal.

                  •  The thing is, short-term satiety is governed (2+ / 0-)

                    by a different hormone than long-term satiety. And yes, you can overeat like crazy at a buffet, but if your leptin (long-term satiety) is working, you'll adjust your intake the rest of the day to compensate.

                    So it's a question - do people overeat because of the availability at buffets, or do people go to buffets because their satiety mechanism is broken?

                    It seems to be the latter.

                    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                    by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 01:17:41 PM PST

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            •  "Someone else's control"? Biochemistry is (4+ / 0-)

              not a "someone else". It's the rules under which the machine called "the human body" works.

              No matter how much willpower we exercise, if we eat the wrong things, we will break our body's ability to achieve satiety.

              Knowing this has put me in perfect control of my diet; more so than simply thinking "all I have to do is use my willpower to ignore the cravings!", an absurd proposition. I used my willpower - more effectively to exclude substances that cause the cravings.

              What do you say to the infants experiencing an epidemic of obesity? Are they morally weak and just need to fight off their cravings by willpower alone? I say take the fucking sugar and HFCS out of their formulas and let their bodies work like they're supposed to work.

              Because unless you can explain infant obesity in terms of a failure of willpower, you need to start looking elsewhere for the cause of the problem.

              Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

              by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 06:19:50 AM PST

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            •  The biochemistry is right. Listen and learn. (5+ / 0-)

              Sorry roseeriter, while there is a strong element of personal responsibility in our dietary choices the food industry is designing  processed foods to be highly addictive. Trying to be thin in the American food environment is a Herculean task at its easiest. The physiology and biochemistry lesson just laid out for you is spot on.

              "The wise man fights for the lost cause, realizing that all other are merely affect" ee cummings

              by acupunk on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 06:39:44 AM PST

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            •  Yeah, but you don't have a weight problem (2+ / 0-)
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              freesia, Robobagpiper

              due to your genes, not due to your brains.

              People who are genetically predisposed to obesity have to work MUCH MUCH harder than you do to maintain a healthy level.

              Your smugness is not helping here.

              "Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow." -- last words of Steve Jobs.

              by Timaeus on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 08:43:38 AM PST

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              •  Actually, I suspect that if this person has (2+ / 0-)
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                never had the defective diet or the predisposition, they wouldn't have ever experienced the satiety issues that arise from it, and thus simply can't relate to the compulsion to eat a starving brain produces, has evolved to produce.

                Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 08:57:26 AM PST

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              •  I Have A Theory On Genes & Obesity... (1+ / 0-)
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                100 - 200 years ago food was in relatively short supply.  Most people struggled to get enough to eat.  The "survival of the fittest" gave people with very efficient digestive systems an advantage over those that pooped out the calories they ate.  Fast forward to today.

                We have the most abundant supply of food in the history of the earth.  If a person goes hungry, it is because they choose not to go to where food is available.  This was not true 200 years ago.  So the people that did great 200 years ago are in large numbers today.  They digest their food very efficiently and their bodies don't waste anything they eat.  Thus with abundant food supplies they become obese, especially since the calories burned per day has surely dropped by 50% or more since 1800.

                •  But this really isn't true - obesity didn't (0+ / 0-)

                  enter countries when they achieved plenty - it arrived when people started consuming our diet.

                  Your theory would require that people maintain weight balance because they're constantly hungry. This may explain a lack of obesity in starving countries, but on Midwestern farms?

                  Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                  by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 01:20:05 PM PST

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                  •  What Is "Our Diet"? (0+ / 0-)

                    I really don't think that one diet fits all in this country.

                    One thing that I have seen several times.  Chinese girls come to the US to study and immediately gain weight.  They look normal to me but their family fusses and says they are fat when they go home to visit.

                    I don't know if it is the diet or the cultural expectations of size and weight.

              •  I'm not so sure about genes (0+ / 0-)

                either. For instance, my husband is and has always been thin, subsists basically on carbs (which I avoid) to maintain 140 pounds on a six-foot frame. We stopped eating meat 35 years ago, processed foods/restaurant foods are not a big part of our diet. I grow vegetables and fruit here on the 'stead, preserve it, and primarily make our meals from scratch. At 60, both of us weigh just what we weighed at 18. We also get plenty of exercise.

                Husband's only sibling, a brother, has been battling weight gain and Type II diabetes for decades. I had four siblings, three sisters and a brother. Just the baby sister managed to get obese and also developed Type II diabetes. Neither she nor husband's brother's wife cooked real meals (my sis doesn't even have a working stove), they have relied exclusively on fast food and "all you can eat" junk at the steak house their entire adult lives. Don't eat fresh fruit, don't eat whole grains, don't eat much of anything green... you get the picture.

                With one of two in husband's family and 4 of 5 siblings in my family NOT tending to obesity or diabetes, I'd just have to doubt the 'blame it on genes' thing.

                Just personal observation and experience. I think blaming genes is convenient, and also apparently misunderstood. I'd suggest any genetic component not directly traceable in a family is more likely a gene expression situation. And that can most certainly be effected and made chronic by lousy dietary/lifestyle choices.

                •  I have a sister who is rail thin. (2+ / 0-)
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                  She inherited my father's southern European genetics.  My father's side of the family is diabetes free.  I inherited my mother's northern European genetics.  My mother's side of the family is diabetes ridden.  

                  I was an all-natural body builder when I first started to experience insulin resistance.   I performed what was known as a three-day double split, which means that I worked out twice a day for three days, took a day off, and then repeated the cycle.  I watched everything that went into my mouth.

                  I should have known that someone was wrong with my metabolism because I was able to pack on levels of muscle that most other all-natural bodybuilders could only dream of.   I competed well with guys who lived on HGH and the juice (i.e., Deca-Durabolin, Dianabol etc.).   I was 225lbs with only 5% body fat.   I had a resting heart rate of 45 beats per minute.

                  The GOP has become the "Jerry Springer" party.

                  by ConcernedCitizenYouBet on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 05:41:52 PM PST

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            •  I used to have a superior attitude like you (3+ / 0-)
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              I was always thin.  In fact, I spent a year being seriously underweight due to depression.

              But I always congratulated myself on my personal ability to keep weight off.  And I never dreamed of having to diet.

              Until my thyroid stopped working.  And I realized it wasn't me keeping me thin, it was my body.

              •  Thyroid (0+ / 0-)

                I have a friend who was walking 6 miles five days a week to and from work, plus standing and working all day, eating less, cutting back sugar and still wasn't losing weight. She did stop gaining though. I talked her into going to the Doctor: Thyroid low. She's still battling her weight, but at least now she knows why.

                I was High Thyroid myself for many years, until it got so bad they had to irradiate them. Now, add in prednisone for the last year for my breathing and reduced exercise from the same, and I've gone up 30 pounds. I'm very careful what I eat because malnutrition is co-morbid with COPD. I watch calories, I've reduced sugar and carbs. I allow myself 2 dove squares a day just to satisfy my sweet tooth so I don't splurge (because I love my chocolate).

                There are many many reasons for weight gain, and not all of them is anyone's fault. Some just are. I wish I could walk like I used to, but what used to take me 10 minutes to walk now takes me 45 and risks putting me in the hospital. So, I deal with the weight, try to keep it under control... but I'm not lazy, nor do I make poor food choices on a regular basis, within my means.

            •  Hmm, sounds just like my brother-in-law... (0+ / 0-)

              ... who was very slim, active, ate healthy, and had a widow-maker heart attack at 47 that would have killed him if my sister had not woke up and dragged his ass to the hospital.  This heart attack was followed by a quintuple-bypass, because he had FIVE coronary arteries that were nearly blocked by cholesterol plaque - one of them was 98% occluded.  The doctor said it was genetic, as this sort of thing runs in my brother-in-law's family.  He's still alive now, but he's on multiple cardiac drugs, has a 35% ejection fraction, and has a pretty good chance of not living to 65.  The only reason he's not fully disabled is that he's too damn stubborn.

              On the other hand, on my side of the family, we all get fat and like to stay that way, because in my family, being fat means you're cancer-free since the very first symptom of cancer in my family is sudden, unexplained weight loss.

              I wish you the best of luck, but life's still a crapshoot, and none of us are getting out of it alive.

          •  Thank you that great analysis! (3+ / 0-)
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            I would also add that beyond fructose, most people eat more processed foods as a normal part of their diet. Processed foods are severely lacking in nutrients, have synthetic colors and flavors. When you get done eating these things you are momentarily full, but in reality your body still has inadequate nutrition. Your body will command you to eat more because it thinks you are starving (and you are, nutritionally of course)

            When I see a severely obese person I see a body that is being starved of nutrition, not necessarily of food.

            It is sad we don't know how to eat in this country. We have let corporate America take over the role of food provider. They are in it for the profit. Good nutritious ingredients cost more. Why use them when chemicals can be manipulated to taste the same. I read all my labels. MSG and related derivatives also have the effect of blunting our ability to be satiated.

            Eat real food, w/o additives & preservatives no fructose (no soda-ever, it is a direct link to diabetes) and your body will be nourished and remember how to feel full.

            Truth is harmonious, lies are discordant.

            by Babsnc on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 06:16:27 AM PST

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            •  The primary missing nutrient is fiber - because (4+ / 0-)
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              it's not compatible with freezing or shelf life. Fiber does a whole lot of wonderful things, not the least of which is slow fructose metabolism. And we're getting maybe a tenth what we should be getting.

              Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

              by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 06:21:54 AM PST

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            •  Yes: (1+ / 0-)
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              When I see a severely obese person I see a body that is being starved of nutrition, not necessarily of food.

              I don't think they eat too much, I think they eat too little... of the right food.

              "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

              by CFAmick on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 10:00:02 AM PST

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          •  Excellent account of fructose's (4+ / 0-)
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            plausible skewing the body toward fat storage.  Not fructose per se, but fructose absent its "natural" fiber context is the culprit here.  Excellent!

            Almost nothing has a name.

            by johanus on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:29:20 AM PST

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            •  Well, fructose per se is a problem, because (2+ / 0-)
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              of the metabolic pathways needed to process it, and what it dumps out.

              Fiber with the the fructose (whole fruit) also slows down the rate of consumption - you can drink a lot more fruit juice at a sitting than you can eat in fruit!

              Slowing down consumption and metabolism rates moderate some of the ugly effects that come from the liver having to process a lot of fructose at once (like phosphorous-scavenging from ATP that ends up leaving you energy-depleted and dumping byproducts that break down into gout- and hypertension-causing uric acid into the blood)

              Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

              by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:47:22 AM PST

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          •  Those skeptical should watch these. (3+ / 0-)
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            Stick through the biochemistry sections - that's the most important part. It's where we go beyond "fructose correlates with obesity" to "here is the mechanism by which it causes it".

            The other wouldn't embed:
            "The Trouble with Fructose: a Darwinian Perspective" by Robert Lustig, MD from Ancestry on Vimeo.

            Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

            by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:53:24 AM PST

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      •  I posted below on walking. I agree about the food (4+ / 0-)
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        etc, but I think our sedentary lifestyles are an equal if not greater concern.
        Also, as far as willpower and the psyche goes, take a load off your minds folks. Quit whipping yourselves.
        You do not have to have a gym membership or run a marathon, etc.
        Just start walking. Start will a comfortable distance. Do it every day, or at least 4 times a week. Stick with it. Relax. Just keep walking.
        You'll get healthier, you'll find it easier to have "willpower".

        •  I was in Los Angeles for a week and a half (3+ / 0-)
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          last summer. The workshop I was attending was 2 miles down a busy street lined with restaurants shops, and large stores from the hotel I was staying at. Nobody could believe I was walking the distance. They pay to go to a gym, but wouldn't dream of walking between point A and point B.

          I don't own a car, so I walk everywhere.

        •  Exercise simply doesn't burn enough calories (2+ / 0-)
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          to make much of a difference in itself. The main benefit of exercise as regards obesity is that it increases skeletal muscle resistance; and this works, and this works toward undoing the damage to your satiety mechanisms.

          This from someone who spent last fall biking the 34 miles round trip to work several days a week, while drinking lots of mulled cider (ie, lots of fructose), and didn't lose a pound. Right now my schedule is preventing exercise, but I cut my total sugar intake down to <20g a day, and shed 15 lbs in a month.

          Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

          by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:11:04 AM PST

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          •  "increases skeletal muscle resistance" (1+ / 0-)
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            should have read either "decreases skeletal muscle insulin resistance", or "increases skeletal muscle insulin response".

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            by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:12:18 AM PST

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          •  If you tell some people that exercise won't burn (3+ / 0-)
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            enough calories, they won't bother to exercise. People don't have to be skinny to be healthier. They don't have to run marathons in order to be healthier today than they were yesterday, and on track to be even healthier tomorrow.

            I realize there's a dietary component. However, this is what I learned. I was hit by a car and developed constant sacro-iliac pain for about 5 years. Then I started walking a dog. Eventually the pain went away. I eventually was running about 20-30 mi. a week in addition to the walking.

            The walking restored my posture and the fitness of my pelvic and core muscles. I noticed the change even though I worked in construction and was fairly strong. to begin with.

            It cleared my mind, and aided my digestion. I worked out my problems when I walked, and I always felt better after the walk than before. It was much easier to cut back on drinking and my eating habits improved. The only "willpower" investment that I had to make was that initial small commitment to walk a half mile, which grew into a mile, then 2. The most important aspect was the "no expectations, no particular goal", to the original effort.
            Our country is addicted to excuses. We're all victims. We need somewhere to lay the blame. We're burdened with too much information. Just leave all that stuff behind, go for a walk.
            "On the sunny side of the street. "

            •  I don't think we do people favors by (1+ / 0-)
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              misleading people. You won't lose weight from the calories burned from anything but athlete-level exercise. If people are exercising to lose weight and combat obesity, as many do, but not bringing their hormonal satiety problems into balance by making the right dietary changes, they will be frustrated.

              One of the interesting effects turning up in studies from a normal, rather than suppressed, leptin response is that people begin spontaneously exercising more.

              The correct way to address the problem is to tell people the truth. Cut out sugar, in all its forms, even "natural" ones like cane sugar and fruit juice, and processed food (which has substituted sugar for fat because of the ill-conceived "low-fat" craze of the '80s). Increase fiber. And yes, increase exercise.

              We also need governmental action - fructose's cumulative effects on the body are very similar to alcohol's; but we don't regulate it because the effect on the brain is different. But they're very similar toxins, for similar reasons. We need to be taxing the hell out of sugar, and other chronic foodborne toxins.

              Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

              by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:41:50 AM PST

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              •  I agree with everything you're saying. We should (0+ / 0-)

                especially use the latest science to its maximum benefit.
                However, there are health benefits to an activity level that is below that needed for rapid and noticeable weight loss.
                I teach a martial art, and I cannot count the number of people who got too enthusiastic too early, wound up getting hurt, and stopped training. I've seen this repeated time after time with people who made New Year's resolutions to lose weight, etc.
                There's a whole "paradigm shift" ( I'm sorry, I tried to find a different phrase) that comes with understanding what we are as physical beings (walkers, primarily, ...birds are flyers, fish are swimmers, monkeys are climbers), and that relationship to our health. One reason we became collectively obese beginning in the 20th century is that we stopped walking. Diet's another, tv and computers are another.
                I personally am a brown rice advocate. Over time my parents have embraced it. They have almost given up meat and Mom's dessert recipes are deliciously not too sweet. Etc.
                As you know, we have a problem with the corn subsidies, that are causing trouble not only here but around the world, on several fronts.
                Our cities and architecture have been designed wrong for our optimum collective health. etc.
                Finally, we all should know that better health will save us all lots of money and it's economic benefits will be most notable among the poorest among us, and the children.
                My point is that walking for exercise requires no equipment, special location, investment of money, etc.
                All you have to do is take the first step.

                •  I'm not dissing exercise. I think it's essential (1+ / 0-)
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                  for a whole lot of reasons. Just not the reason it's usually sold for.

                  Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

                  by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 01:21:36 PM PST

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              •  Agree: (1+ / 0-)
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                You won't lose weight from the calories burned from anything but athlete-level exercise.

                "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

                by CFAmick on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 09:49:46 AM PST

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          •  The reason exercise doesn't (0+ / 0-)

            "burn enough calories" is that our body has an appestat to control our hunger. The idea that simply eating more calories will work in a vacuum to cause weight loss without us getting hungrier is one that is not supported by real world evidence.

      •  We eat not simply to feel full (1+ / 0-)
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        but for nutrition and energy. When we consume low levels of vitamins and minerals, and high levels of artificial chemicals, we're not receiving the sustenance our bodies need, so our bodies tell us we're still hungry. Fructose is a big part of it, and every other chemical, too. I also think that mass farming the same soil for decades on end depletes a lot of vitamins and minerals from food, so even when we're eating "healthy," it's not as healthy as it's supposed to be.

        "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

        by CFAmick on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 09:56:15 AM PST

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        •  Yes, you're likely to see people deficient (0+ / 0-)

          in a particular nutrient crave foods high in it for similar reasons.

          Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

          by Robobagpiper on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 01:23:46 PM PST

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  •  Just reading this makes me hungry (5+ / 0-)

    I'm headed out to make the rounds --  appetizer at Outback, jug of Pepsi at KFC, main course at IHOP, snack at Ben & Jerry's, another jug of Pepsi at KFC, pick up some Kraft Sliced and Wrapped American Singles at the grocery store, back to KFC for a Cheesy Bacon Bowl . . . and I'll do it all in my Medicare-paid-for Scooter.

    •  Actually it did the opposite to me. (0+ / 0-)

      Reminded me of that commercial on tv (don't even know what they're selling, honestly) where this kid gets hired at a fast food place, and he and the manager are sliding in the grease on the floor in the kitchen, and wind up falling.  Yuck.

      "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

      by AnnieR on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 04:24:36 AM PST

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    •  That is hilarious! I'm studying these theses now (0+ / 0-)

      to add or correct the "bit" (w/credit where due of course). I'm also going to study this stuff to diet correctly for once.

      ‎"Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." --Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Doug Ferrari on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 04:20:46 PM PST

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  •  Portion size is HUGE in America (7+ / 0-)

    Boy do they stack it on the plate.
    Ive been watching my weight for many years. The portions size most restaurants give you could feed a family. You feel you don't want to waste food so you eat it all up.
    Its not coincidental trhat the rise in obesity paralells the rise of fast food restaurants.
    Look at pictures of people in the 40s and 50s and throughout modern history---You don't see obese people  waddling around like you do nowadays.
    OUr behaviors are within our control

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 04:44:04 AM PST

  •  Um, eating out seems to be the common thread (5+ / 0-)

    Don't eat out so much.  I know people are busy, but really--it's not a big deal to make yourself a sandwich and bring it with you.  That's the one part of Nickeled and Dimed that didn't make sense to me.  

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 04:59:40 AM PST

  •  Many good points, and funny as hell too! (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Walmarting of America's food markets (5+ / 0-)

    Have you ever gone into a Walmart or Target market? The space for the fresh, perishable food is pretty small. Why? Because it doesn't fit their business model - you need experienced people (aka someone you pay a living wage) to deal with produce. Or meat. Or decent dairy. And they don't want to pay that.

    OTOH, you can find aisles and aisles of shitty, fat-filled frozen food. Sometimes it's on sale, and for a pretty "decent" price.

    Cheap pizzas with fake cheese cost less than a pound of broccoli. You're a single mom with three kids in a McJob - you get home at 5:30 and you and the kids are hungry - what are you gonna feed the kids? Are you going to spend an hour on making a real meal, or are you going to pop two of those cheap fake cheese pizzas into the oven? Especially when that real meal might cost more.

    It takes work to get - and make - good food. And it often takes more money, too.

    We're subsidizing soda manufacturers (high fructose corn syrup), shouldn't we be subsidizing good healthy food?

    Mere passive citizenship is not enough. Men must be aggressive for what is right if government is to be saved from men who are aggressive for what is wrong. - Robert M. LaFollette

    by stcroix cheesehead on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 05:14:24 AM PST

    •  The business model (0+ / 0-)

      is controlled by demand, unfortunately. They devote floor space to products in relation to consumer demand. If you see a supermarket that devotes a lot of space to meat, poultry, fish, and produce, that means they have a different profile of clientele than Walmart shoppers.

  •  YOU WILL GAIN IT ALL BACK (0+ / 0-)

    I'm glad you lost weight.  Congratulations.  But can the snark, because 95% of all weight losers gain it all back -- and then some.  Don't throw out the old clothes.  You will again be that which you now mock.  Guaranteed.

    •  eh, go piss in your own diary, mate (2+ / 0-)
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      Kick a "job creator" in the balls today!

      by memofromturner on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:31:12 AM PST

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      •  You might say this memofromturner (0+ / 0-)

        But eqwinter is right. Oprah lost and gained it back more than once. Losing weight is a lifestyle change, and even tho you might lose weight, if you don't change your lifestyle, if you don't continue to exercise, eat those small portions, extra-less salads, card-sized cuts of meat, little dabs on a plate, you'll gain it all back.

        But you know, I'd like to ask that altho there are a few, probably mainly in California,  healthy-foods restaurants, why isn't there a healthy food restaurant movement in this country? Franchise KFC? Where is franchised "Bean Sprouts Are Us"? Where are the ginormous plates of fresh veggies and tofu? The meat replacement beanloafs? The...the...well, I'm sure healthy eaters know what they eat. Where are these restaurants?

    •  I have never made a joke abouta fat person or said (0+ / 0-)

      fat onstage or called myself fat, and every comedian writing client I have ever had I have told to not knock themselves for looks or age or size. Cliched, not funny, not necessary. "Snark" means "not funny", so I better look at who else I blasted besides me, American fast food, and the fact that until recently we wre the most obese country on Earth until Mexico just passed us for a minute. "We The People" means "we" are getting bigger even though YOU may not be. Peace.

      ‎"Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." --Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Doug Ferrari on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 04:26:38 PM PST

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  •  Strikes me as a Cut & Paste Email (0+ / 0-)

    The type my aunt would forward gleefully.

    "I might as well have the gang kid behind the counter shoot me in the head."

    Classy.

    "I'll tell you, if there's anything worse than dealing with a staunch woman. S.T.A.U.N.C.H. There's nothing worse, I'm telling 'ya!". Little Edie

    by vintage dem on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 05:40:25 AM PST

  •  Here's a proposal (0+ / 0-)

    Considering 2 facts (a) household balance sheet condition, and (2) endemic obesity, could not more restaurants offer half portions at half price?

    I'm older now, and my metabolism has certainly slowed down, but the size of servings that I encounter in restaurants seems pretty insane. Ditto, $12 for Nachos.

    The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. - 18th Brumaire

    by liebknecht on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 06:21:00 AM PST

  •  It's very easy to get in shape, if you can walk. (2+ / 0-)
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    I understand some folks have bad knees, etc and can't walk enough.

    We were designed by evolution to walk. We are biological walking machines. Every system in our body functions best when we're walking. Breathing, circulation, lymph, digestive, including our brains.
    Walking requires no special equipment other than a good pair of shoes, no particular place, etc.

    The most important thing to remember about developing a walking habit is to make it a habit. Do not try to do too much too soon. Find a reasonable distance and stick with it, then try to increase it slowly over time. Don't expect results. Wait for them. Make sure you go at least 4-5 times a week.
    Walking will cure a bad back, correct posture, improve breathing, brain function, make you feel better, and help you think more clearly. Your digestive system will work better, and you will worry less.
    Try it.

  •  buy healthy food and then eat it! (3+ / 0-)
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    don't eat processed crap or fast food

    stay away from carbs, especially sugar

    eat as much fruit and veg as you can

    if you can stick to a few simple concepts and minimize your indiscretions, you'll be ok, imo

    Kick a "job creator" in the balls today!

    by memofromturner on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 07:35:35 AM PST

  •  I am reading (0+ / 0-)

    a book by Gary Taubes that negates just about everything that everybody has said in this thread except Robobagpiper. The book is called Why We Get Fat. I'm curious to know what other people think about it.

  •  Just stop eating too much. Count calories. (1+ / 0-)
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      When my blood pressure and my weight both hit 175, it was recommended I lose some weight, with the implication that my pre-diabetes and high blood pressure would mitigate to the point where I wouldn't need any controller meds.  
       OK, I sez, and I stopped snacks between meals, limited my one nightly snack/dessert to two cookies or equivalent in calories.  Small breakfast, moderate lunch, dinner whatever I wanted.  Any fruit is unrestricted.  At restaraunts I pay attention to what I order, and I now keep a running estimated daily caloric total in my head.  I've now plateaued at 147 +/- 2 lbs for the last 6 months.  BP normal.  Cholesterol improved.  No more pre-diabetes.  Not hungry.  Man-boobs don't bounce as I walk down the stairs.
       After all the physiognomy vs psychology vs glandular predisposition excuses, the simple ultimate truth (sorry!) is that if you control your caloric intake, you will necessarily affect your accretion of fat.  Big step: grow up, take yourself in hand, shed your insistence that you deserve to eat the damn house because.... you want to.
     Carpe responsibility.

  •  Fast "food" is not fit for consumption, (1+ / 0-)
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    human or otherwise.  Cutting that shit out will go a long long way.

    "Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." - Robert G. Ingersoll

    by Apost8 on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 09:13:31 AM PST

  •  Fast processed food is very addictive and cheap (0+ / 0-)

    Once you start you can't stop.

    Try portion control (a cup of food) and 1/2 hour per day of aerobic exercise.

    •  Addiction--first time I have seen that word in (0+ / 0-)

      this first scan. I am a recovering drug addict (clean and sober many years after years of struggle),and my first addiction was food and I was big til 11, then again for the last 25 years, and our parents sent us to McDonalds' because the burgers were a dime and we could use our own money. Addiction is where it begins and ends for me: I always said it was my first addiction and it will be the last to be beaten. Food addiction makes crack look like a joke.

      ‎"Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." --Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Doug Ferrari on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 04:30:31 PM PST

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  •  652 grams of sugar.......! why not (0+ / 0-)

    just say a pound and a half, it's actually 1.44 pounds, close enough.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 09:27:55 AM PST

  •  We're number 1! (1+ / 0-)
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    Biggest, fattest, stupidest, laziest, most generally ignorant and deserving of death for the good of the planet people on earth.

    I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

    by labradog on Wed Nov 30, 2011 at 09:46:55 AM PST

  •  loved the article! (0+ / 0-)

    I will print it and post it on the fridge at work and home

    •  Thanks wuod kwatch. The frig--that is a rare (0+ / 0-)

      compliment for a scribbler--to be up with the shopping list and the pictures the kids colored at school. Although you may have another reason for putting it on the frig door...

      ‎"Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." --Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Doug Ferrari on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 04:33:43 PM PST

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  •  Thank you all for your kind attention (1+ / 0-)
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    This is by far the most comments I've ever had on Kos--give me some time to reply. I find Kosers comments most enlightening...

    ‎"Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." --Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Doug Ferrari on Sat Dec 03, 2011 at 04:29:25 AM PST

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