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Mitt Romney measures his ... support from independents (Brian Snyder/Reuters)
Mitt Romney explains his vision for America's middle class. (Brian Snyder/Reuters)

 
I am despondent. As an avid follower of political news and a self-identified solid progressive, I am experiencing strange feelings—or, more accurately, I am experiencing a strange lack of feelings. In prior election cycles, I would watch the Republican debates with energy, excitement and attention. I would be prepared to be aggrieved by their attacks on Democrats and their ever-increasing trend toward the extremes of the right wing. I would become fired up, knowing that whether it was Bush or McCain in 2000, or whether it was McCain, Romney or Huckabee in 2008, the Democratic candidate had to prevail, no matter what. Every debate would serve as a reminder and a motivator of that certain fact.

This cycle should be no different, especially now that the Republican pretenders to the throne are even more renegade than they ever have been in recent memory. In this current primary contest, the first three states have been won, respectively, by three distinct yet equally odious candidates: a former senator with a Google problem who believes that rape victims should make the best of a bad situation should they be unfortunate enough to conceive as a result of the crime; a vulture capitalist who likes to fire people and never met a policy position he didn't like if he felt it could get him a better shot at an even higher office; and ... Newt Gingrich. Yet even in spite of that, I cannot muster up the energy and enthusiasm to watch the continuing Republican immolation of just about everything that is fair and right in this country. While Gingrich's proposal about lunar statehood provided a sliver of respite, it has not been enough to turn the tide or lighten the gravity of this situation.

To make matters worse, my interest was rising again after Gingrich won the South Carolina primary and appeared to be gaining a crescendo of support. But his newfound lunacy has now caused his base in Florida to crater. And as Gingrich's support wanes, Mitt Romney's now appears to be waxing at exactly the right time to win Florida, eliminating his final rival for the nomination that was long assumed to be his, and leaving the Republican Party in a relative sea of tranquility.

Lunar guffaws aside, the battle that will unforld once Mitt Romney wins the nomination will be a battle for the soul of America, but not in the way usually intended by Republican candidates. In his recent State of the Union Speech, President Obama laid out his vision for what America could and should be. Even if the speech was not a progressive's dream from every policy standpoint, it focused very strongly on a few central themes with which we can all agree: reforming the tax code to end the rewarding of outsourcing, reinvesting in American manufacturing and the middle-class jobs that come with it, and investing in the education that will allow American workers to have the skills required to do the jobs of both the present and the future.

Mitt Romney has consistently presented a different vision. It's an ideology that professes that if only plutocrats like him were less restrained by consumer protections, labor, and regulations, that they could produce all the jobs America needs through trickle-down economics, even as the stepladders to the middle class that government has already provided continue to be gutted in the name of personal responsibility. It is a vision born of a decades-long effort to rehabilitate the principles of Ayn Rand and transform them into a socially acceptable philosophy on governance while interweaving a theocratic social agenda thought unthinkable only a few years ago.

I was technically a teenager when 9/11 occurred, and just beginning to become interested in politics in a serious way. At that time, I was outraged by every single Republican attempt to erode our civil liberties while continuing to gut environmental protections and government services while enriching those who needed it the least. I was outraged precisely because I viewed it as an excess brought about by the temporary insanity that resulted from our national trauma, combined with the radicalism of the Bush administration. I expected that the election of Barack Obama would end the radical and imperial interregnum that was the Bush administration, marginalize the so called "dead-enders" and unify the country in a new era of sanity and political civility.

The truth was not as joyous, as history has shown. But I am no longer outraged, because it is far more difficult to be outraged at what is expected. Instead, as we prepare to face Mitt Romney in November, I am simply resolute: there's a job that needs doing. Neither Romney nor the future nominees of his party can be given four years to unleash their plutocratic fancies against America's middle class. Outrage won't guarantee that outcome, but hard work will.

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  •  My 79 year old dad emailed me last night: (71+ / 0-)
    I think that a few thoughtful republicans are beginning to understand that many of the people in the gop are complete idiots.  Not exactly inside knowledge.

                                                                                                   dad

    Just one more reason why I love the guy...

    •  I'm fairly certain 99.9% of the folks who've been (25+ / 0-)

      critical of President Obama still are certain he's better than the alternatives.  The remaining .1% are probably here sub rosa anyway.

      •  oh for sure (0+ / 0-)

        i've been real critical of the president, because he's done a lot of things that I find to be extremelywrong.

        but I basically have to back him because the GOP agree with him on everything that bothers me (imperialism, hatred of due process and whistleblowers, domestic spying, being tied up with the financial sector) and are way worse on other issues (environment, abortion, church and state, economics).

        At the same time though, because of the list of problems i have with this administration, I find myself really uninspired to be all gung-ho about the hard/no-fun aspects of the "job" that the diarist mentions (defeating the GOP). The dynamic whereby the Democrats ignore the priorities of the left and play to the center definitely sucks the activism right out of me. If I'm active for the people who really agree with me on issues (third party liberals) then I'm at best engaging in Quixocity, and if I actively back the Ds then I can help be part of a winning team but they'll literally make fun of my policy desires once they've secured power and completely ignore me until election time rolls around again.

        "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

        by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 12:38:22 PM PST

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        •  You are ignoring the elephant in the room (0+ / 0-)

          You are not accounting for all the corporate, financial, twisted religious fanatics (especially The Family since even those who know about it tend to let it slip under the radar), and power addicts, with assistance from organized crime from local to international, that are the true bosses of DC and the country.

          We are trying to get good candidates to run against lousy ones. The first thing they have to face is whether they can accomplish anything in their first term and get re-elected. Whether the impossible dream nature of the fight is ever going to fade enough to make the never ending battle worth going to.

          What they need is an army of volunteers out to support their candidacies, so we get enough new house and senate members willing to go against the PTB, including the DLC. Obama is not the only candidate who needs boots in the campaign. If we fire up people to vote for the downticket races, they will vote for Obama too. Sort of reverse coat tail. Wisconsin and the other states with Koch Tea Party office holders have exposed the importance of state and local elections – especially in mid term elections.

          The WH is clearly important. Significantly reversing the '10 mid terms is even more critical. The broken branch must retake it's power from the executive and judicial branches. The voters cannot leave the voting booth and go back to spectator Democracy. They must stay involved, signing petitions, contacting their representatives and getting to street protests That is the only way we the people will be able to govern ourselves again.

          Did you get Alan Grayson's email on this ?

          News report on the hit ordered for Kucinich

          That was '78. They are a lot more sophisticated 34 years later, with technology they never dreamed of then.

          "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

          by Ginny in CO on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 01:48:29 PM PST

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          •  I'm gonna concur with you here (0+ / 0-)

            backing actual liberals who want to be in congress is one thing that animates me.

            worrying about how they might suddenly turn into centrist sellouts keeps me up at night.

            "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

            by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 02:18:05 PM PST

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    •  Never going to like "the lesser evil." n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      •  then you must hate all humans but yourself (0+ / 0-)

        i think my cat is possessed by dick cheney

        by Anton Bursch on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:06:21 PM PST

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        •  i mean, if you think Obama is evil (5+ / 0-)
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          cause if Obama crosses the threshold for what is evil then we are all in a whole lot of trouble

          i think my cat is possessed by dick cheney

          by Anton Bursch on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:28:47 PM PST

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          •  Agree, Anton. (9+ / 0-)

            It is hyperbole of the worst order to call Obama evil.  In fact, many here won't agree with me, but I don't even think GWB is or was evil.  Incompetent, not smart, wrong, hapless, in over his head, and responsible for a national nightmare--- OH YEAH.  But not evil.  Reminds me of that old saying about "the banality of evil."  Meaning evil can come from those who did not intend it, but simply couldn't or wouldn't live up to the moment.

            Cheney on the other hand...

            •  Torture is not only illegal; it's evil. (5+ / 0-)
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              GWB bragged about waterboarding detainees.

              Targeted assassinations of people not charged much less convicted of any crime is evil.  

              •  Can't disagree. (1+ / 0-)
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                But you're going to have to live in the same world I've lived in, Marie. You're not entitled to more, despite your self righteousness. You're going to have to pick and stumble you're way through.  You're going to have to choose your battles, and go for the best thing going. You're going to have to make less than perfect decisions based on less than perfect circumstances.

                BTW, are you a parent?  If you are, you'll surely come to understand what I'm saying, on a less than global front.  If you're not, well then, you'll find out what I'm saying is true, in different ways.

                I really eschew the simplicity that says it's white or black.  I have lived too long not to know that most of life occurs in shades of gray.

                •  But just want to make one thing clear, (0+ / 0-)

                  I too think torture is evil.  Completely and without caveat.  And, I must note, that Obama called a halt to the tortuous ways of the Bush administration. We have not heard of that going on since Obama laid his hand on the Bible and became our president.

                  My previous post was more about learning to bob and weave with realities, stay absolute about certain things, but know that none of us are entitled to a perfect outcome.

                  My God, just look at history, and all of those who have suffered so much before us, in ways we can't even imagine. We are not getting out of this world without complaint. To me, more important that we give light and support to the best choices we can.

                •  Sorry -- forgot for a moment there (0+ / 0-)

                  that laws, ethics, and morality are situationally applicable -- When Japanese soldiers waterboarded captives, it was torture and their commanding officers were culpable.  When the US does it, it falls into the abyss of the world not being black and white.  

                  Your comment exemplifies everything wrong with how the recent US liberal class thinks.  

                  •  Wow. My little old comment (0+ / 0-)

                    "exemplifies everything wrong with how the the US liberal class thinks?"  That's quite a feat, but I don't think I can take credit as I made quite clear that I thought torture was evil, without any caveats.  Pretty black and white statement, I believe.  

                    Your comment exemplifies everything wrong with not reading carefully.

              •  i disagree in practice (0+ / 0-)

                killing people who have been trying to blow up planes is not evil.  unless you think killing people who are trying to kill you is evil.  

                i think my cat is possessed by dick cheney

                by Anton Bursch on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 11:06:36 PM PST

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                •  ayyo, we got this thing called due process (1+ / 0-)
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                  maybe you don't think it matters, but it was one of the reasons for founding this country.

                  People were tired of a society where the head of state could accuse someone of something and then carry out a sentence after assuming their guilt.

                  So we decided that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and set up a legal system to work on proving (or not) guilt.

                  Except now to be in favor of due process, one of the founding priciples of our republic, is to be some kind of civil liberties extremist. Everyone running for president thinks due process is unneccessary because once the president decides someone is guilty of "terrorism", assassinating them is A-OK.

                  Well, I think that is bullshit, regardless of whether the "terrorist" is accused of "trying to blow up planes" or being an Iranian nuclear scientist or whatever other "crime" you want to mention: if you haven't given them a trial, and you kill them, it's murder. If you imprison them, it's kidnapping.

                  This is why I can't muster up much enthusiasm for 2012: each candidate is a would-be criminal.

                  "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

                  by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 12:45:56 PM PST

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                  •  we also have this thing called self defense (0+ / 0-)

                    and when someone is actively trying to commit mass murder we get to defend ourselves from them

                    there is such a thing in life called having balance and priorities

                    and we all fucking know that the dude was a terrorist.  it wasn't 'the president' who decided that.  and it's totally a LIE to characterize this situation as if that is what happened.

                    i think my cat is possessed by dick cheney

                    by Anton Bursch on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 04:42:35 PM PST

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                    •  your statement is false and malicious (0+ / 0-)

                      if you're referring to Awlaki, you have no idea if he was a terrorist or not.

                      It was in fact the president who decided that he was a terrorist, without any due process, as Leon Panetta details.

                      It is certain that Awlaki engaged in constitutionally protected speech and advocacy wherein he advocated violence against the US in reprisal for violence perpetrated by the US.

                      Whether he had any role in any actual terrorist actions, like bombings or killings, has never been substantiated in public.

                      I don't buy into "trust us, the evidence is secret but it exists and proves his guilt." Never have, never will.

                      So for you to characterize my statement as a lie is bullshit and suggests that you are not someone with whom it is worth engaging in discussion because (amongst other reasons) when someone in authority asserts something you apparently go "yeah, sure, of course" instead of critically evaluating the matter.

                      "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

                      by joey c on Tue Jan 31, 2012 at 12:46:40 PM PST

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          •  You want to see evil, just look at the Republican (0+ / 0-)

            Party since Eisenhower.

            And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

            by MrJersey on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 07:50:56 PM PST

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        •  Not like doesn't = hate. n/t (0+ / 0-)
        •  this is the point that i stop caring. (1+ / 0-)
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          when a thread becomes self destructive and important only to the two remaining  'debaters'

          Good night

          "I don't need a script to tell the truth" Ed Schultz, Feb. 4 2010

          by BusyinCA on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 04:05:53 AM PST

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      •  a great excuse to never accomplish anything (2+ / 0-)
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        "hey, i wasnt going to Apple so why even bother trying!?"

        On DailyKos nothing is significant unless Obama doesn't do it.

        by glutz78 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:35:08 PM PST

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        •  I'm supposed not only to accept (0+ / 0-)

          "lesser evil" but also like it?  Doesn't work for me -- and it sounds like the real recipe for accomplishing nothing as in, once I grew to like "lesser evil" that's what I want.  

      •  You don't have to like him, but it makes sense (1+ / 0-)
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        to vote for him.

      •  I don't view President Obama as "the lesser evil" (2+ / 0-)
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        I view President Obama as a good president who has governed in difficult times (economic and political) and easily deserves a second term.

        Barack Obama for President '08

        by v2aggie2 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 10:59:36 PM PST

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      •  ain't gotta like it (0+ / 0-)

        you just have to realize that it may be evil but it's still better than the rest.

        "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

        by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 12:46:41 PM PST

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  •  We have a lot at stake (25+ / 0-)

    As much as we expect Romney to be the nominee and to lose, we CAN NOT TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED!

    A Romney victory (actually a victory by any Republican) would be a disaster for this country.  As imperfect as Obama has been, we mush again unite and work as hard as we did in 2008 to make sure he is re-elected  and win races down ticket.

    In 2008, my town went for Obama (Neither Kerry nor Gore won it).  I know why that happened: with the help of really only one other person, we registered 800 people.  I live in a university town.

    I'm now four years older and will be the new 42.  I plan to do what I did four years ago.  Are you?

    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.

    by MoDem on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:12:25 PM PST

  •  They're pegged at 11 (16+ / 0-)

    They've become Onion headlines.

    The only thing they can do to be more extreme is to just declare open season on libruls and start shooting.

    NOW SHOWING
    Progressive Candidate Obama (now - Nov 6, 2012)
    Bipartisan Obama returns (Nov 7, 2012)

    by The Dead Man on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:14:42 PM PST

  •  Ok, that's a darn good caption for the picture. (6+ / 0-)

    Alternatives could be 'How much Mitt wishes he paid in taxes', or 'Mitt squishes Newt's lunar base'.

  •  They are not "that bad." (10+ / 0-)

    They are unfathomably worse.

    The candidates are all whores. They have no principles except stroking the guys that will get them into power, whether it's the money guys, or the teabag dupes.

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:18:03 PM PST

  •  Awesome drollery (14+ / 0-)
    While Gingrich's proposal about lunar statehood provided a sliver of respite, it has not been enough to turn the tide or lighten the gravity of this situation.

    But nobody's buying flowers from the flower lady.

    by Rich in PA on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:18:37 PM PST

  •  Dead on, Dante (12+ / 0-)

    There is no attack too ridiculous, not lie too outrageous, no hit and run claim too despicable. Forget the Overton Window, Eepubliccans are running free. There are no limits.

    Good article.

  •  It's an attempt to return to an aristocracy (18+ / 0-)

    They aren't even properly channeling Ayn Rand, as much as I hate how much influence a poor science fiction novel has had over the last 60 years.  They believe that a few people deserve to lead everyone else, and that the choice should be mostly made on birthright, in part because they wouldn't belong in that position otherwise.

    Occupy the voting Booth!

    by anonevent on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:21:26 PM PST

    •  That Was How the RW Revolution Launched When (3+ / 0-)

      the Beatles were still touring. People have been trying to explain this every week since.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:26:40 PM PST

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    •  In respect to Ayn Rand, (9+ / 0-)

      and I never miss an opportunity to point this out, she died on Medicare and Social Security, of lung cancer.  That's a fact as per Thom Hartmann, my favorito burrito of all pundits.

      So my friends, life is long for the luckiest and unluckiest of us. What seemed so clear when you were young and able, becomes very different when you are old and infirm and no one is listening to you anymore.

      Think about it.  Ayn Rand, author of books that were so narcissistic that they considered the need for character development unnecessary, books that were so sure of the answer they claimed author's right to soap box, books that celebrated the individual vs. the community---died dependent on the community help she looked down upon.

      Humility is both a bitch and a savior.  Hard to accept, but such a relief when you do.

  •  Newt says he will spend Adelson's money to the (4+ / 0-)
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    convention.  So enjoy the ride!  And I don't think  Ayn Rand goes back far enough, we are talking laissez faire economics here, which predates her.

  •  You and me, too, Dante... (1+ / 0-)
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    With respect to this:

    I expected that the election of Barack Obama would end the radical and imperial interregnum that was the Bush administration, ...

    But as we found out, the Bush administation wasn't a crazy blip on the radar of our history, but a 90 degree turn to the right that would permanently affect both parties.  My astonishment is that BUSH WASN'T AN OUTLIER.  

    So, yup, all the Republican candidates are unacceptable. But so is the Democrat.  You all go ahead and campaign and vote for Obama, God bless you for it, because I don't want Romney, either.  But I can't vote or work for the guy who signed into law the indefinite detention of American citizens.  Obama has ratified Bush's turn towards the destruction of our country's liberties, and I won't further ratify that by voting for him a second time.  I'm not going to talk you out of it, because honestly, I don't know what to do about it, myself.  

    The odds that you or I will ever be thrown into a cell and the key thrown away seems small, but it's going to happen to somebody.  I don't think I could look that guy in the face, whomever he is, and tell him, "I voted for what we're going to do to you because it seems like good strategy."

    •  Bull (6+ / 0-)

      and shit.

      But as we found out, the Bush administation wasn't a crazy blip on the radar of our history, but a 90 degree turn to the right that would permanently affect both parties.  My astonishment is that BUSH WASN'T AN OUTLIER.

      Does your understanding of history only go back 6 years?  The conservative party in this country - which was the Democrats for the longest time - has always been trying to turn this country into a place where the few wealthy could do anything at the expense of everyone else.

      And for that matter, have you completely forgotten your history of the Bush years?  Laws weren't enough to stop his reach if needed, only whether it was brought up on the week's episode of 24.  What Obama didn't like in what he signed - after getting changes stating that it didn't change current law - he stated that they wouldn't be used by him and were likely unconstitutional.  But, I'm curious, which type of Supreme Court do you think will overturn those:  One where Kennedy is replace by another Roberts, or another Kagan?

      Your argument makes no sense except in a closed little universe that you should have discovered doesn't exist sometime around puberty.

      Occupy the voting Booth!

      by anonevent on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:38:23 PM PST

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      •  Poor Obama. (1+ / 0-)
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        They keep making him take away America's freedom.

        That's what you're telling me.

        Wake up.  They are doing what they need to do, and then they try to perfume it over by telling us they don't LIKE doing it to us.  The proof of that is in the things they do when they think we aren't watching.  Like the NDAA.  It crept up on us.  By the time it came to our attention, it was most of the way to a done deal.

        You and I obviously have very different understandings of what is happening in Washington.  I don't see Obama as ineffectual or incompetent or lazy or cowardly.  I see him as a competent man doing what he thinks is right, and then covering his ass politically with a few token statements.

        Really, a solid but wrong argument could be made for why a Democratic president should continue the growth of the police state.  You could make such an argument without resorting to, "It's not his fault" or "It's 3d chess strategy."  The argument is much simpler: That they think what they are doing is right because the government needs to protect us from bad people and restrictions on the government in that pursuit or a danger to the public safety.  If you live and operate in Washington, if you have faith in the wonks and the lifers and the think tank people and the continuity of the status quo, then such a position seems more tenable than it does to us, on the outside, looking in, with rosy-eyed views of what America should be.

        But you can't make that argument.  Nobody here will ever make that argument.  Because even though I think it's the real operating underlying creed of this administration, it would still go over with a dead thud on a site with DailyKos.  So we must continue this charade, all these phony excuses and arguments to try to square the circle.

        If that's what you have to tell yourself to keep on operating as usual, God bless you and good luck.  I tried that too for as long as I could.  Can't do it no more.  I'm no longer part of your process.

        •  not voting? (7+ / 0-)

          Then you've given up your right to demand change.

          Sorry.  That's the way it works.  Your vote is what you have, unless you plan to run for office yourself.  If you voluntarily relinquish your right to vote, you really are no longer part of the process.  

          Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

          by SottoVoce on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:14:38 PM PST

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          •  I'll vote where it might make a difference. (0+ / 0-)

            My congresswoman isn't too bad.  But I can't vote for Obama.  I already explained why.  And before we get any Godwinian arguments about how the next election will be Obama vs. Hitler, let me point out, it's not really like that.  They're both bad. both unacceptable.

            •  please don't put words in my mouth (3+ / 0-)
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              Godwinian arguments about how the next election will be Obama vs. Hitler
              I'm a Jew.  I know the difference between Romney and Hitler.

              I'm happy to say I'm voting for President Obama, not just against the Republican nominee--though I'm doing that, too.  And I'll work for his re-election, too, despite some serious disappointments in some of his decisions.  I've been voting for more than 40 years, and this isn't one of the hard ones.

              Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

              by SottoVoce on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 08:10:09 PM PST

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              •  can't match 40 years (0+ / 0-)

                but i've been voting since 2000, and this is the hardest one i've faced.

                in 2000 gore had numerous positive aspects and bush had none

                in 2004 anything to end bush was acceptable

                in 2008 i was excited about obama

                in 2012 i am disillusioned about obama and contemptful of the GOP, who i can't imagine winning because their candidates have so many problems.

                as such, for me it is the toughest choice so far.

                "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

                by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 01:35:10 PM PST

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          •  that discounts activism, speech, assembly (0+ / 0-)

            and numerous other non-voting methods of impacting our political process.

            not that i'm in favor of not voting, i always vote. but you can participate in other ways too.

            "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

            by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 01:31:40 PM PST

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      •  what makes you think Kennedy's on his way (0+ / 0-)

        out? he's not the oldest, that's for sure...

        also, your arguments do not rebut dumbo's contention in the slightest way. the president is in favor of indefinite detention. he was doing regardless of the law before, and now there's a law to back it up, but the practice has been continuous.

        and that signing statement was about how congress doesn't have the power to limit the president's indefinite detention authority - what he "didn't like in what he signed" was the part saying that sometimes the president has to seek congressional permission to indefinitely detain people.

        "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

        by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 01:30:34 PM PST

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    •  Luckily for you the answer is easy. (3+ / 0-)
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      Elect a Progressive majority that can override any veto by the President. Since it is so easy just do it.

      •  The last candidate I donated to was Bill Halter (4+ / 0-)

        in his run for US Senator from Arkansas.  For that, I was called Fucking Retarded by Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel, who was nailing down the Democratic establishment in Blanche Lincoln's favor.

        You must realize that if we want a Progressive majority, we have to fight the Democratic Party, paradoxical as it seems.  They certainly know they have to fight us, and they're not above fighting dirty.

        •  Again, I don't care how we do it. (2+ / 0-)
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          If you think you can do it without supporting the democratic establishment then that's great. Just do it. But don't give yourself any more room for error than you have the President. With that said we should be living in Progressive Utopia in three years since that's a realistic estimate of how long it will take.  I'm glad real progressives don't need money from established parties to run. And luckily they don't need the votes of independent voters. Certainly their representatives never make stupid mistakes and call somebody names for supporting the wrong candidate. But in all seriousness I am all for a successful progressive party. But I only want one that will win. Otherwise we get stuck with Republicans and that is unacceptable.

        •  I didn't realize that Rahm Emanuel (0+ / 0-)

          personally talked to you.

          And while Bill Halter was going to be more progressive than Blanche Lincoln, I don't know that he was going to be as progressive as Barack Obama.

          Yet you praise Bill Halter while saying that you won't vote for Barack Obama.

          That makes it hard for me to take you seriously.

          Barack Obama for President '08

          by v2aggie2 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 11:06:10 PM PST

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    •  Bush may have been the fuller manifestation (1+ / 0-)
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      of the GOP agenda, but he only nudged the turn by a few degrees.  I'd say the turns were more or less: 5 degrees Nixon, 5 Carter, 20 Reagan, 5 BushI, 25 Clinton, and 25 GWB and 5 Obama (so-far).  

      •  So says the frog in the pot. (0+ / 0-)

        I must be crazy.  I thought the difference between tyranny and freedom was not being arrested without due process and held indefinitely without trial.  I'm old, so that's probably the problem.  I remember what it was like when maybe we weren't as free as we thought, but we saw what other countries were like and feared becoming like them.

    •  so, you are a one issue non voter? (0+ / 0-)

      um, ok.

      i think my cat is possessed by dick cheney

      by Anton Bursch on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:40:33 PM PST

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      •  "Um, okay," is a perfectly fine (0+ / 0-)

        response.  You and I can get along just fine.  You vote for whom you like, I'll vote/not-vote for whom I like/dislike.  

        •  my parents are one issue voters (1+ / 0-)
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          if you asked them their opinions on policy they would be liberals, but they have been voting GOP since Reagan because of abortion.  that one single issue made them hand this country over to the GOP for the last 3 decades.  and they are far from being the only ones like that.  to be honest, they are somewhat racist, but if Obama were against abortion they would vote for him.  simple as that.  

          i became a Democrat, despite having been against abortion myself, because I was not going to hand over everything in life to people who were against everything I believed in except one thing.  it was hard, because it didn't feel right to do it at the time.  everything i had been taught growing up made me want to draw the line in the sand, but then i thought... which line do i give more importance to?  the abortion line?  or the other 100 lines that the GOP crossed.  when i thought of it that way i became a lot more comfortable with my choice.

          there are things that Obama has done that have crossed lines with me.  a few things.  important things.  but the good that is being done FAR outweighs those lines being crossed and the hundred bad things that the GOP would have done if they were in the white house VASTLY out weighs them!

          i understand why you won't vote for Obama.  but i think that one day you are going to look back and regret it.  

          i think my cat is possessed by dick cheney

          by Anton Bursch on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 11:22:21 PM PST

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          •  Anton, I've been posting here for years. (1+ / 0-)
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            17,846 posts to date according to my profile.  I'm not one-issue.

            Although, maybe I am one issue.  The issue is good faith.  I do not believe the Democratic Party operates in good faith.  They don't have our agenda or our best interests at heart.  The gap between the professed values of the party and what the party actually does is enormous.  Honestly, I had no idea that the issue of INDEFINITE DETENTION OF CIVILIAN AMERICANS would ever become any kind of issue at all in an election.  I wouldn't have believed it COULD become an issue.  The fact that it did tells me that they are dangerous and unworthy of trust (or votes or support), not just for this issue, but surely for many other issues.  I won't catalog them all.

            •  the party is us (1+ / 0-)
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              and we are all over the map

              but that is what you get when you have a group of people from all over a country of 300 million people

              you call it bad faith... i call it a mixing of opinions

              i think my cat is possessed by dick cheney

              by Anton Bursch on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 09:33:56 AM PST

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  •  Thank you and how right you are. (10+ / 0-)

    We must not let perfect be the enemy of good.

  •  The big challenge I have (2+ / 0-)
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    is that while Obama may not be explicitly seeking the destruction of the American middle class, his commitment to Reaganomics means that he'll engender it anyway.

    At that point, I'm voting for competency in minding the store while doing his part to make sure it burns down in time.  It's hard.

    The two things Teabaggers hate most are: being called racists; and black people.

    "It takes balls to execute an innocent man." -- anonymous GOP focus group member on Rick Perry

    by Punditus Maximus on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:25:59 PM PST

  •  Wondering about Romney (5+ / 0-)

    The answer to my question likely is as irrelevant as my question -- but I'll ask it anyway:  When did Mitt Romney go wrong -- or has he always been this way, he just kept it hidden?

    The Mitt Romney of the past 3-4 years is not the original Mitt Romney, governor of Massachusetts.

    The Original Mitt was pro-choice.  He approved a state-run health insurance program that was a model for some of President Obama's health care act.  He didn't flaunt his wealth.  All in all, he seemed to be a decent sort -- not unlike the Republicans I grew up with -- Main Street businessmen, pillars of their communities and churches, moderate -- nothing like today's GOTP and certainly nothing like the Romney we've seen in these debates.

    Do you suppose Romney was always this nutty, or, are his convictions so shallow that he followed the GOTP to the far-right in hopes of winning the Presidency?

  •  I think we can go with "resolute." There's nothing (0+ / 0-)

    quite like teen outrage, but by definition you can't keep that up for too many cycles.  Or at least most people can't...

  •  I don't think Bush was all that radical (5+ / 0-)

    it was more like this: The US has been on a terrible coarse, and he jammed his foot on the gas pedal all the way to the floor.

    Now Obama has applied the brakes a bit but not really turned the steering wheel much. Guantanamo is open, Presidents can still have people killed, and there's much rejoicing over possible war with Iran. Same old same old, in other words.

    •  Gitmo (3+ / 0-)
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      is still open because Congress (both sides) would not fund a replacement - so this is Obama's fault how, exactly?

      Or do you say it should close anyway?  

      •  Obama isn't the only decider (0+ / 0-)

        The point is that Obama hasn't applied much brake or turn, whether by inaction or by resistance from Congress is basically irrelevant. Gitmo is open. No fundamental change has been made.

        Furthermore George W Bush did not single handedly make a 90 degree turn. The direction arrow of the USA was pointed this way a long time. Imperialism for example has been with us since the 1800s. What decisions George W Bush did contribute to changed the speed to faster. But the direction is not that different from before Bush and it's not that different after Bush.

      •  get a clue (0+ / 0-)

        Congress wouldn't fund closure of Gitmo, true.

        But the prison at Guantanamo bay is not bad because it's at Guantanamo Bay, it's bad because it is part of the machinery of indefinite detention of "terrorists" whose guilt has never been adjudicated in a court of law.

        And the President has made clear that he plans to continue employing indefinite detention - even if Guantanamo had been closed, he would have continued detaining many of its prisoners elsewhere.

        So there's no point trying to blame Congress - there shouldn't be a "replacement" because a prison for indefinitely detaining people shouldn't exist in the first place.

        "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

        by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 12:59:25 PM PST

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  •  We'll always have (5+ / 0-)

    Paris Grover.

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    Norquist: Republicans Will Impeach Obama If He Doesn’t Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Anti-tax activist Grover Norquist has long held a tight grip on the marionette strings of the GOP. Wielding undue influence as the head of the Americans for Tax Reform, Norquist ensures that Republican lawmakers sign his anti-tax pledge and threatens them with electoral defeat should they even think of deviating from it. Norquist has marked a successful few years, killing the deficit super committee agreement, batting down a tax increase on millionaires, and, of course, ensuring the extension of the Bush tax cuts.

    Pleased with his headway, Norquist is now mapping out how he can ensure further anti-tax victories by securing Republican majorities. In an interview with the National Journal, he mused that a GOP mandate would obviously enact an extension of the Bush tax cuts, work to maintain a repatriation holiday for corporate profits, and even pass House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) plan that jeopardizes Medicare. But when asked what Republicans should do if faced with a Democratic majority that won’t keep the tax cuts, Norquist had a simple answer: “impeach” Obama.

       NJ: What if the Democrats still have control? What’s your scenario then?

        NORQUIST: Obama can sit there and let all the tax [cuts] lapse, and then the Republicans will have enough votes in the Senate in 2014 to impeach. The last year, he’s gone into this huddle where he does everything by executive order. He’s made no effort to work with Congress.

    Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

    by JML9999 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:30:25 PM PST

  •  Mitt Romney is showing us how big his peen is in (1+ / 0-)
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    that picture.
    Mitt, "See look my willard is this big! And unlike Newt I can still see mine!"

    Determine never to be idle. No person will have occasion to complain of the want of time who never loses any. It is wonderful how much may be done if we are always doing. Thomas Jefferson

    by YoungArizonaLiberal on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:31:05 PM PST

  •  No one ever calls them on "limited government" (6+ / 0-)

    Limited government, except for womens' uteruses, individual choice in marriage, and a military as large as the military-industrial complex requires for its profits, without any strategic reason.  

    But this selfsame "limited government" will also miraculously run the economy like a CEO of a hedge fund.  Which will create lots of jobs, of just the sort that people who work for Dominos and Staples have come to understand:  low wages, no medical insurance, no job security.  

    Mitt Romney has a vision for the middle class from afar.  Any member of the middle class who buys it needed more education.  But of course limiting education is a good thing, isn't it?  How dare Obama aspire that everyone stay in school!

    •  They need a strong State to enforce (2+ / 0-)
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      contracts, protect private property, here and abroad, ensue the integrity of the monetary supply, and discipline the population.  

      The rhetoric about small government or no government is about the social wage and downward distribution of wealth and social power.

      "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

      by Pierro Sraffa on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:28:39 PM PST

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  •  FWIW, look at Reince Priebus today - if you can (4+ / 0-)

    The odious little toad was on Deface the Nation this morning - I diaried the atrocity here, with video.

    The Republican Party is rotting from the top down - and the bottom feeders up.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:33:25 PM PST

  •  Well There Hasn't Been an Electoral Reason for (1+ / 0-)
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    activists to bother analyzing anything the Republicans have been saying since Carter, but it sure would've been nice for Dem leadership to have accepted that for the longterm the rightwing literally meant and has been working toward what they were saying.

    I'm going to leave this job to those of you who are fresher with what's coming at us. I've got to spend a significant amount of effort I could have spent electing Democrats, protecting myself from Democrats.

    Otherwise I'm more inclined to look at external pressures.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:34:42 PM PST

  •  Newt didn't even have what it took to put away a (4+ / 0-)
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    horrific Mitt Romney, and Romney's only virtue is that he spent enough millions to be the last one left standing.

    How do you make Mitt Romney squirm?  Ask him what his plan is.

    The most elite, corrupt places in the universe are K Street and Wall Street. Mitt belongs to one, and Newt belongs to the other.

    by thenekkidtruth on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:35:49 PM PST

    •  And, he hired a new debate coach (1+ / 0-)
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      http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/...

      1/23/12: TAMPA, Fla. — With another potentially crucial debate on Monday night, Mitt Romney has apparently recruited a top debate coach to help out.

      Brett O’Donnell, who served as one of Michele Bachmann’s top strategists, was standing quietly at the back of the room Monday morning as Mr. Romney held his first event, a round table with Florida residents and small-business owners.

      He quietly slipped out again with other top advisers to Mr. Romney, who is holding debate prep sessions in the Sheraton hotel where the morning event took place.

      “Brett’s been working with us for some time, since Michele Bachmann got out of the race,” said Andrea Saul, a spokeswoman for Mr. Romney.

      Mr. O’Donnell is a veteran of presidential debates, having served as a top debate coach to Senator John McCain of Arizona during the 2008 campaign. In that role, he helped prepare Mr. McCain for debates against Mr. Romney and brings those insights to the current sessions.


      When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:49:17 PM PST

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      •  Yuh, and an interesting debate coach (1+ / 0-)
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        Those sessions instantly made him better at these sham Republican debates.  Enough to pretty much put out Newt's fire.

        But he'll need more than that when he goes up against the incumbent President.

        The most elite, corrupt places in the universe are K Street and Wall Street. Mitt belongs to one, and Newt belongs to the other.

        by thenekkidtruth on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 07:10:47 PM PST

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  •  Yes, the Republicans are that bad... (0+ / 0-)

    and please let's focus on something else.

    The chances of me voting for one of these primary fruitcakes is zilch.  That's Zilch with a capital Z.

    This site needs to find another 'front page' stance.  Or at least a 'time out'.

    Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle by God's grace in England as shall never be put out.

    by Bollox Ref on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:36:46 PM PST

  •  You've turned pro. (0+ / 0-)
    I am simply resolute: there's a job that needs doing.

    -- We are just regular people informed on issues

    by mike101 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:37:58 PM PST

  •  Outrage fatigue, (0+ / 0-)

      will roll on and over upon itself for the next 9 months, as the campaigns drench the t.v. airwaves with ads.  The Republican ads will be over the top, lying fear- techniques to get independents to consider voting for their guy.  And the right wing PACs???  They will extend the boundaries of CARAZEEE, over the up coming summer/fall.  Cant wait.  heh.

  •  Out of the mouths of babes... (0+ / 0-)

    "I was technically a teenager when 9/11 occurred"

  •  Where I come from, this is big! nt (0+ / 0-)

    I want my pajamas to be covered in words from Bartlett's. That way I'll always be sleeping in quotes.

    by otto on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:46:14 PM PST

  •  You've become better acquainted with history, (4+ / 0-)
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    perhaps, and came to realize that the Bush years were not "the temporary insanity that resulted from our national trauma, combined with the radicalism of the Bush administration." The outrage has to be spread across half a century of patient subversion of the democratic ideal in favor of a feudal oligarchy. A fatiguing burden to carry indeed.

    In America, a rising tide lifts all yachts and drowns the workers who built them.

    by DaveW on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:50:20 PM PST

  •  We've been thru worse, so don't lose heart! (5+ / 0-)
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    We've struggled in the past for civil rights, for working rights, and have been shot at, jailed, spit on and stomped on. We have done it before, and we can do it again! Don't lose heart! Keep the faith. If we stand together, we will win.

  •  And yet, there are comments on your post (13+ / 0-)

    that totally failed to understand that what must be done is to keep Republicans out of power.  The usual "Democrats are no better" crap, which, as far as I am concerned from now on, means "I like Republicans well enough not to vote against them," because election day in the United States is a zero-sum game.  I still think Obama has done a better job than any other candidate would have done, and would go and vote for him even if he didn't have an opponent, but I also will do everything I can to keep Republicans out of power.  And if some of you don't understand the urgency of that, come to Texas, where every person that "represents" me is a Republican except for the President.

    Occupy the voting Booth!

    by anonevent on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:53:29 PM PST

    •  I always wonder if those are trolls (0+ / 0-)

      trying to talk us out of voting/working

      www.tapestryofbronze.com

      by chloris creator on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 10:08:30 PM PST

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    •  what you write here (0+ / 0-)

      will never  persuade people who feel that the institutional democratic party doesn't care about the left's policy priorities but still expects the left's votes to be enthusiastic.

      It's about actions. Shitting on the concept of due process, dropping bombs everywhere, and literally laughing at people who want to try the Portuguese approach to the drug war is a sure way to convince people you don't give a fuck about leftism.

      "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

      by joey c on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 01:23:50 PM PST

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  •  Whereas the Three Stooges Are Supposed (1+ / 0-)
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    to be comedy, the Two Republicans are tragedy.

    I'm betting registered Republicans will toddle off to the Forum in droves on election day this November and forego voting.

    Readers & Book Lovers Pull up a chair! You're never too old to be a Meta Groupie

    by Limelite on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:54:37 PM PST

  •  One thing I'm getting a little fatigued about (14+ / 0-)

    is the perfection being demanded by some progressives of the President.  This has probably been diaried, but I was just listening to a podcast of Bill Maher's  Real Time show from about a week ago, and Bill Moyers was on (love that guy).  So was Bernie Sanders - it was a great show. Anyway, Moyers was talking about how important it was that the President turned down (at least for now) the Keystone XL pipeline project, and how difficult it was to do, giving the fact that he was facing congresscritters brought to a high level of agitation by 42 million bucks worth of heavy lobbying. He specifically discussed how the reason Obama was able to do this was because of the thousands of people calling, protesting and otherwise letting their position be known who, as Moyers said, "had his back".

    This got me thinking just how much more could get done if the Democrats and progressives would just have a little patience, and present a united front, instead of some constantly demanding purity at a level nearly as ridiculous as that demanded by the other side, and sustaining a level of cynicism that is gleefully appreciated by those who would take advantage of it.

    If you haven't listened to that part of the show, take a minute and do so:

    And answer me this - if Obama is such a shill for the corporatocracy, why did he bother doing this?

    "The only thing we have to fear - is fear itself." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    by orrg1 on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:56:16 PM PST

  •  I'd never believe that Americans could become (4+ / 0-)
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    so profoundly stupid and short-sighted.

    Future generations are going to look back at this period with disdain and disgust.

    Profoundly humbled by DKos generosity of spirit and selflessness of nature. Forever grateful beyond measure.

    by wretchedhive on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 05:58:12 PM PST

  •  During Bush v Gore I was astounded. Bush kept (4+ / 0-)

    talking about "failed foreign policy" and I was like:

    "Peace" is failure?

    I wept.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:09:45 PM PST

  •  A line I keep coming back to in your diary... (4+ / 0-)
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    It's an ideology that professes that if only plutocrats like him were less restrained by consumer protections, labor, and regulations, that they could produce all the jobs America needs through trickle-down economics

    We're already seeing, especially from Romney, the meme being put forward that "Obama had his chance" - that somehow the brief period in 2009-2010 when the Democrats controlled the House and had (barely) 60 votes in the Senate should have been all the time and all the power Obama needed to undo everything the Republicans had done and to repair everything that was wrong with the economy.

    As Democrats, we need to push back against that, hard.

    If 18 months or so with a bare majority (and a highly ideologically-diverse one at that) should be enough to demonstrate that Obama's policies "don't work," then by extension we have three freaking decades of evidence now that the Rand/Greenspan/Reagan/Stockman/Gingrich/Hayek/Norquist/Romney theory of tax cuts and deregulation and smaller government has been an abject failure.

    Sure, there's 27% or so of America that will never buy that message. But it's a winner with everyone else - the moderate Republicans who haven't fled the party in disgust, the ex-Republicans who now call themselves "independent" but will vote Republican out of habit anyway...and better yet, it is, I think, a point on which all of us on the blue side of the aisle can agree, no matter how we might feel about the President himself at any given moment.

    "We've tried that. Over and over again. It hasn't worked. Why will it work now?"

    Remember it and repeat it.

    Intended to be a factual statement.

    by ipsos on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 06:21:52 PM PST

  •  The GOP have rebranded themselves (1+ / 0-)
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    They are no longer Republicans, just LieBiglicans.

  •  Then and now. The GOP Sucks More. (0+ / 0-)

    From watching tapes as far back as 1988, it's clear how the GOP has used recurrent themes (taking over healthcare, corporate welfare, restoring America) to varying levels of success.

    Generations forget. Media marries into Washington and Wall Street - so they soften their skepticism and view, as to not upset husbands, relatives, future employers.

    And honestly, there hasn't been a truly intelligent Republican president in decades. They have, however, been street savvy, and more likely to fight back. Democrats of late have been 'above the fray' and afraid to sweat to get a vote. Kerry couldn't inspire the people he was afraid to let touch him. And looking back at the Cheney/Edwards debate, someone had to have the Rielle Hunter dirt at that time. They were just sitting on it.

    So if it really comes down to it, we Independents and Democrats who know what a mess the republicans have made of the economy and society, and how much more damage they want to do to the masses for the service and favor of the wealthy... well, it really is getting time to stand up for something.

    If you really can't vote for Obama, don't allow a vote for the republicans. Which basically means voting for Obama.

    Winning ugly, even if it means not getting everything you want, is still a win.

  •  You said it! (0+ / 0-)

    You said it!

    Nothing but dreck.

  •  Only one step at a time... (4+ / 0-)
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    When I voted for Obama I was excited to see someone with a vision for America that made sense. But I also knew that it was just a vision and not one that would be easily shared with the conservatives in Congress. That's where I diverge from those that are feeling let down by this president. I knew then that it would be a long hard fight to even get part way to that vision. And knowing Congress it wouldn't look the same once they got their hands on it.

    It's always gets worse, before it gets better or a million other similar bits of wisdom tell me that we can't expect things to change quickly in a democracy that has so many moving parts all with their own agendas. So I am looking forward to this election as another step towards that original vision. We have seen what the conservatives in Congress have as their response to positive change from the Democrats. Obstruction. And Americans don't like it one bit. So this election should effectively send a strong message to the conservatives that they need to change their tune if any of those up for reelection want to continue in their positions.

    I suspect that those not up for reelection will continue to foot drag or whine obnoxiously about the debt or some invisible nonsense issue of the day instead of making positive changes to improve our economy. But that sliver of representatives waiting for the ballot box to give them their fate will likely make a last ditch effort to save their collective asses and start talking jobs and voting for sensible bills once again.

    Maybe it will make for some headway or not. But I can only hope that it's "one step in the right direction."

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 08:14:10 PM PST

  •  Each of these Repubs has a dark side (2+ / 0-)
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    betson08, nellgwen

    They certainly don't reach for Apollonian heights. A certain failure to launch, shall we say. It's as if they've always been mad, even if they're not mad. They've been eclipsed by a rising progressive movement in a short sharp shock of surprise.

    Or as Romney might say if he had an honest bone in his body, money, it's a bitch, so don't give me any of that do good bullshit.

    Shine on you crazy diamonds.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 08:26:03 PM PST

  •  Excellent post. You have just grown up. (4+ / 0-)

    You can't live your life in constant outrage mode.  The longer you do the more you don't meet your own expectations.

    It takes perseverance to get things changed and one or even two election cycles won't do it.  That's the one thing the GOP learned.  It took them 30 years to implement their disastrous policies.

    The only thing Romney is telling the truth about is that this election is an election to define what's America's soul.  Actually every election is and if we elect the soulless Romney instead of reelecting Obama than we deserve to go backwards.

  •  They are just crappy. No doubt about it. (0+ / 0-)

    They would honestly be laughed off the stage in earlier times, and in many places today.

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

    by potatohead on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 11:24:48 PM PST

  •  Idealism dies a quick death when (0+ / 0-)

    confronted by reality. Get used to it, kid.

  •  Debates; frivolous or fortuitous. (2+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541, nellgwen

    I for one did not watch the debates because I am not voting for any of the candidates due to dissatisfaction with the republican party and their agenda as a whole.

    But on a positive note, they showed America the ugly side of themselves and brought it to light for all to decide.

    Problem is, it also showed how many citizens actually condone that type of behavior and mindset.

    That in itself is disturbing to find that a large number of people are really crass and apathetic towards their fellow countrymen.

    There is a line from a movie I think is profound in this:
    How can any candidate who professes to love this country, display such hate and disdain for it's citizens?

  •  The photo caption is wrong (0+ / 0-)

    That's not his vision for America's middle class.  It's actually the world's smallest violin that he's playing for America's middle class.

    Either that, or it's his penis size.

  •  Thanks, I have had outrage fatigue since evil (0+ / 0-)

    rotten monstrous W. was selected to be the true dictator of the United States by robbing the people.

    Tired of this and don't  listen to the news at all while they are talking nonsense!

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Mon Jan 30, 2012 at 12:22:03 PM PST

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