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"The last thing I'm worried about is a budget issue," Deasy said. "The No. 1 thing I'm worried about is the students." Los Angeles Unified School District Superintendent John Deasy
As survivors of child sexual abuse know, we are but at the tip of the iceberg when it comes to more stories like this one coming out. If there is anything to be "gained" from the Penn State/Jerry Sandusky child abuse scandal, it is that CSA is now a national conversation.

CSA cannot exist in the light of day. It is in silence and secrecy that pedophiles operate. We must continue to shine the brightest light we can on this sickness that permeates our culture. We must raise our voices and speak for those who could not speak, and for those who have yet to find their voices. We must remain ever watchful for the signs and symptoms surrounding child sexual abuse and we must not fail.

No one spoke up for us then, but we can speak now. Tree Climbers, I invite you all to continue speaking up and speaking out.

Thank you

Staff Removed At LA School During Abuse Probe

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The entire staff at a Los Angeles elementary school is being removed while authorities investigate horrific allegations of sexual abuse by two of the school's teachers, one of whom is accused of blindfolding children, taping their mouths and photographing them in a classroom.

Los Angeles Unified School District Superintendent John Deasy said Monday night that more than 120 staff members at Miramonte Elementary School — everyone from the principal and teachers to the cafeteria workers — were being replaced because a full investigation of the allegations will be disruptive and staffers will require support to get through the scandal.

"We intend to interview every adult, every adult who works at that school, whether they are a teacher or administrator, or whether they are an after-school playground worker or a custodian or a secretary. I mean every single solitary adult who works at Miramonte," Deasy said to parents who packed a high school gymnasium.

An entire staff has been selected to come into Miramonte's classrooms to take over teaching for the time being, and there will be a psychiatric social worker in every classroom to help students and staff cope with any issues.

All employees will be paid during the investigation, district spokesman Tom Waldman said. Officials didn't know how long the investigation would take.

"The last thing I'm worried about is a budget issue," Deasy said. "The No. 1 thing I'm worried about is the students."

School officials canceled classes on Tuesday and Wednesday as a cooling-off and transition period, Waldman said. All current staff members will report to another location, where they will be interviewed, he said. The new staff will report on Thursday.

Deasy emphasized that all new staff members being brought into the classroom went through a "very rigorous screening process."

He added Miramonte staff members are having a difficult time understanding this situation.

"I'm mostly overwhelmed by how grieved they are, how upset they are, how broken their own personal trust is. In many ways, they are victimized too," Deasy said. "They taught in this school for years and assumed everyone else was doing good things."

United Teachers Los Angeles said in a statement that union leaders and staff have met with instructors at Miramonte.

"We support a thorough, vigorous and fair investigation of all allegations," the statement said. "It's everyone's responsibility to ensure that any and all allegations are thoughtfully and carefully investigated."

Miramonte parents were happy to hear the news first from the superintendent. They have complained bitterly that they weren't informed about the yearlong investigation. Many heard the sordid details on news reports or from the TV crews camped out at the school's entrance.

School officials said they deferred to sheriff's detectives, who asked them not to divulge details that might affect their investigation.

Maria Jimenez, 51, said the parents are divided over the decision to remove the school's 88 teachers and 40 other staff members.

"Some are in favor. Others are against it because they did this without advising us or consulting us," she said.

The decision follows the arrest of two longtime Miramonte teachers: Mark Berndt and Martin Springer.

Berndt, 61, was charged last week with committing lewd acts on 23 children, ages 6 to 10, between 2005 and 2010. The acts cited by authorities include blindfolding children and feeding them his semen in his classroom, in what children were allegedly told was a tasting game.

Berndt, who worked at the school for 32 years, remains jailed on $23 million bail and could face life in prison if convicted.

Springer, 49, was arrested Friday on suspicion of fondling two girls in his classroom. He was being held on $2 million bail.

Springer taught at Miramonte for his entire career, which started in 1986, the district said. He taught second grade. The school board is scheduled to discuss firing him in a closed-door meeting Tuesday.

Investigators said they know of no connection between the Miramonte cases. Berndt and Springer know each other and took their classes on at least two joint field trips in the past decade, according to the Los Angeles Times.

More than a quarter of the students at Miramonte were absent from school Monday while parents demanded more protection at the school, with attendance reaching just 72 percent, according to figures from the Los Angeles Unified School District.

About three dozen parents and supporters protested in front of the main doors of the school earlier Monday, some carrying a banner that read, "We the parents demand our children be protected from lewd teacher acts."

As night fell, about 100 angry parents marched from the elementary school to the nearby meeting with administrators.

School police watched and sheriff's deputies were on hand, but there was no violence.

The district set up a toll-free hotline on Monday to receive reports of suspected abuse at Miramonte, said school board President Monica Garcia in a statement.

Garcia added that the district would step up efforts to ensure students and staff realized the importance of reporting misconduct.

In the same school district, a janitor at a San Fernando Valley elementary school was arrested on suspicion of committing a lewd act with a child on a campus.

Paul Adame, 37, was taken into custody after a mother told police on Sunday that he had inappropriate contact with her child during school hours Friday at Germain Elementary School in the Chatsworth area north of Los Angeles, police Capt. Kris Pitcher said at a news conference.

The captain declined to provide details but urged anyone who might know of other possible victims to contact police.

Adame was booked and released on $100,000 bail Monday. It could not be immediately determined if he had an attorney.

There was no immediate connection between the arrest of the janitor and the cases at Miramonte, which is 15 miles away in an unincorporated county area of South Los Angeles.

Associated Press writer Robert Jablon contributed to this report.

Originally posted to House of LIGHTS on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:58 AM PST.

Also republished by TreeClimbers.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley

    by Roxine on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 06:58:41 AM PST

  •  I read about this... (4+ / 0-)
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    Roxine, TravnTexas, SallyCat, Onomastic

    this morning. It was headlining in one of my local papers (at least the on-line version).

    Glad you put up a diary on this!

    All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

    by kishik on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 07:24:46 AM PST

  •  National Conversations (5+ / 0-)

    The sad part is, we had a national conversation about CSA in the 70's, and the backlash was horrific--and very effective at shutting the issues down. The story then became about "false memory syndrome," or whatever it was called, and about children lying, about over-zealous advocates. In short, about everything except the perps.

    Somebody posted that 1:4 girls and 1:6 boys will be sexually assaulted--and sorry, I don't remember who. Those figures stuck in my head, and I ask myself at what point do we as a society consider that an epidemic?

    •  Research now shows that children do NOT lie (5+ / 0-)

      about CSA. But you're right, back in the 70s and 80s, psychologists made claims that children were being coerced into their memories and that repressed memories of childhood abuse were not possible.

      However, today, research shows:
      - Reported cases of child sexual abuse reached epidemic proportions, with a reported 322 percent increase from 1980 to 1990. Source: Sorensen & Snow, 1991.

      - A study conducted at Children's Hospital Medical Center of Cincinnati (Amy Arszman Daso and Robert Shapiro, M.D) indicates that child sexual abuse allegations should be taken seriously and found children's testimony more reliable than physical exams in cases of sexual abuse. The researchers reviewed the records of 31 pedophiles who confessed between 1994 and 1999. The 31 perpetrators confessed to a total of 101 acts of sexual abuse, some of which they committed multiple times. The perpetrators abused 47 children. The 45 old enough to provide a history described 111 acts of sexual abuse. "Physical exams are an unreliable indicator of sexual abuse," says Dr. Shapiro. "We're not saying that children never make things up, but the responsible reaction is to listen carefully to allegations of abuse so that abused children will be identified and false allegations recognized." (May 2000)

      And I posted those stats -
      1:4 girls and 1:6 boys are sexually abused before the age of 18. These statistics come from The National Center for Victims of Crime

      Although child sexual abuse is reported almost 90,000 times a year, the numbers of unreported abuse is far greater because the children are afraid to tell anyone what has happened, and the legal procedure for validating an episode is difficult (American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, 2004).

      It is estimated that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will have experienced an episode of sexual abuse while younger than 18 years. The numbers of boys affected may be falsely low because of reporting techniques (Botash, Ann, MD, Pediatric Annual, May, 1997).

      Sixty-seven percent of all victims of sexual assault reported to law enforcement agencies were juveniles (under the age of 18); 34% of all victims were under age 12. One of every seven victims of sexual assault reported to law enforcement agencies were under 6. Forty percent of the offenders who victimized children under age 6 were juveniles (under the age of 18). (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2000).

      Most children are abused by someone they know and trust, although boys are more likely than girls to be abused outside of the family. A study in three states found 96% of reported rape survivors under age 12 knew the attacker. Four percent of the offenders were strangers, 20 percent were fathers, 16 percent were relatives and 50% were acquaintances or friends (Advocates for Youth, 1995).

      "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley

      by Roxine on Tue Feb 07, 2012 at 10:18:11 AM PST

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  •  My heart goes out to the kids. (4+ / 0-)
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    If the allegations are proven true, the perpetrators need to be punished and so does anyone who knew that something was wrong and did not act. I won't get into the punishment I would choose.

    But the kids. Right now I'm thinking about the kids.

  •  I totally missed this diary, sorry. (3+ / 0-)
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    First saw it in the early a.m. hours of 2/9.

    If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

    by 2thanks on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 11:12:11 PM PST

  •  Getting Organized: Best day, time to post? (4+ / 0-)
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    Before I make any organizational suggestions, I need to say, I do not speak from a place of “power over,” I am coming from a place of “power with.”

    I think Tree Climbers should have a regular weekly posting time. I think we should start with one evening of the week, and if we need more, we can add them later.

    Tree Climbers, what is a good day for you? If anyone has a day that would be terrible for you, please speak up.

    I think these diaries will be easier for readers to find if they are published at a particular time.

    I am not sure why, but I am also worried about 2 Tree Climbers diaries posted at the same time, so that they would compete for attention.

    I think TravnTexas plans to publish another diary soon. I do not know if anyone else is working on a diary.

    What would be our best day/time for a weekly publishing day?

    If we do not go with an actual schedule for a while, please send a group KosMail 48 hours before posting your diary.

    KosMail Group Mail Warning: It is a known bug in the KosMail system that Group emails slide into your inbox without any notification. Single KosMails change the “No New Messages” in your Welcome Back box to 1 New Message or 2 New Messages.

    Group messages apparently do not produce any change in the “No New Messages” phrase in your individual Welcome Back box.

    Apparently this is on Tech’s list of things to fix.

    (SallyCat, Aji, Onomastic, I hope I am not stepping on your toes.)

    If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

    by 2thanks on Wed Feb 08, 2012 at 11:50:27 PM PST

    •  yes... About the group message... (3+ / 0-)
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      I wasnt aware of the message put up to all members until I actually went to the Tree Climber page. Thats when the "new message" alert was visible. But its not visible on my individual account page....?

      Generally, I think weekends are relatively slow times... Unless there is something hot in the news. So if Tree Climbers want more visibility, maybe not choose a weekend day?

      All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

      by kishik on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 07:07:15 AM PST

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      •  The first time I read your comment, kishik, (2+ / 0-)
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        I missed the NOT in the sentence about visibility and NOT choosing a weekend day. I only say this because I don't want others to miss it too.

        I can go for a weekday. I am thinking evening too, since most working people work during the day.

        I think diaries stay open for comments for 48 hours. If that is true, then Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday evenings would keep the diaries open for comments during the weekdays.

        I know Roxine is taking classes, and classes frequently fall M & W, or T & Th. I do not want to pick a day when she is in class.

        Sounding okay?

        If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

        by 2thanks on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 08:11:55 AM PST

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        •  diaries are open.... (2+ / 0-)
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          For comments pretty much forever. They do shut down for recommends on the diary itself after a couple of days. Comments themselves have their own shelf life for recs.

          But commenting can continue.

          But if we want the maximum as possible exposure, then it helps to choose a time and day when recs will keep it available on the main page. And maybe to encourage those who want to stay on the topic to follow Tree Climbers so the diary will pop up in their stream. That way, too, even if they miss the inital posting, they will have it in their stream to go back, read and comment... Even if they may have missed the timeframe to rec it.

          How's that?

          All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

          by kishik on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 10:12:41 AM PST

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          •  kishik, I understand what you said about (4+ / 0-)
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            duration of commenting. The Reply button stays visible, yes.

            Maybe we should just keep leaving comments in this diary as a means to communicate. We can make this diary our chat room. (Hotlist or Bookmark this page.)

            Okay, so far I have some action steps/suggestions:

            Notify Tree Climbers via 2 or 3 group KosMails before publishing:
            1. "I am planning to publish on Monday sometime between 4 and 5 pm." 24-48 hours before, if possible.
            2. "Looks like it is going to be a little late. Maybe 6-7 pm today." (Please do not stress out about the time)
            3. "It is published!"

            imho every diary should have the following statements:

            1. Welcome to the Tree Climbers, we are ...

            2. A troll warning, yet to be written. SJF had one in one or both of her diaries. Roxine, will SJF let us use that?

            3. Consistent Tags for all diaries (imho), adding the diary title and others as we go along. I do not think we can have too many tags. (Done)

            4. A link to the Tree Climbers page. (Done)

            5. Short instructions about how to Follow the Tree Climbers.

            6. “If you are new to Tree Climbers, we suggest you read the following, which will help you catch up”: Links to SJF’s 2 diaries and the audio of Roxine. If you have

            8. Pictures. Pictures and videos make diaries more interesting. Roxine had a good picture of the 3 little boys sitting cross-legged. Will SJF let us use her picture of the little girl in the tree (herself, I think)?

            9. Something else I have forgotten. ;o)

            If these items are not finished by the time you want to publish, I say go ahead and publish with whatever items we have.

            We will get this together. No rush.

            I plan to make a template, to make it really easy for the diarist.

            If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

            by 2thanks on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 04:15:37 PM PST

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            •  I think a template... (1+ / 0-)
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              dear occupant

              for the start of each diary is good. :)

              All in all a good start for all!!

              All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

              by kishik on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 04:30:30 PM PST

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          •  Some of this is incorrect. (2+ / 0-)
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            kishik, 2thanks

            Diaries can be recced forever.

            Diaries can be commented in for ten days.

            Comments can be recced for 24 hours except for tip jars.

            •  Diaries you can (0+ / 0-)

              Comment on for some time. But i don't know if I've ever tried posting a comment past maybe 8 days.

              Thanks for the correction. Hope I didnt come across sounding like a know-it-all. Because obviously I am not.

              All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

              by kishik on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 01:11:24 PM PST

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              •  I was one of the beta testers. (1+ / 0-)
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                I was arguing for the diarist to be able to set such parameters as how long diaries lived. Some groups post one every day, some groups are happy with one a week and I can imagine that some groups would be happier with one a month.

                •  aoeu: durations: diaries, recs, comments (2+ / 0-)
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                  kishik, dear occupant

                  dear aoeu, thanks for your comments!

                  Diaries can be recced forever.
                  Diaries can be commented in for ten days.
                  Comments can be recced for 24 hours except for tip jars.

                  How did you know we needed you to come into our chat room? Are you psychic?

                  You are welcome to join Tree Climbers!

                  I am bringing the treats next week. Do you like chocolate chip cookies? ;o)

                  If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

                  by 2thanks on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 01:31:29 PM PST

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                  •  You used one of the words I occasionally grep (2+ / 0-)
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                    kishik, dear occupant

                    for, 'troll,' in a comment.

                    •  yes... (0+ / 0-)

                      these diaries (tree climbers) have had their share of trolls for sure.  :(

                      That's why we're hoping more people will join... to control any that pop up.  not sure why they pop up in these diaries at all. (meaning having the audacity...)

                      All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

                      by kishik on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 02:21:53 PM PST

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                      •  We used to get them at (0+ / 0-)

                        GUS. They're just trolls. Deal with them dispassionately if possible. Good solid boilerplate lets admins know that you have a community standard. I advise using the 'community' tag, too.

                        I just took a look through the editors of your group and suspect that you will not have serious problems going forward.

                        Best Wishes,

    •  I am planning on writing another (5+ / 0-)

      For me, I have to process and then, when it's all gelled in my head, it pours out on the screen all at once. So I don't even know 48 hours in advance, and the thoughts won't come on command, if that makes sense.

      Too bad Kos doesn't have a chat room function, we could all talk about the organizing aspects at the same time :-) For now, I'd just say let it be what it will be (timing of diaries), and we can work on the communications aspect of it.

      •  Looking forward to your diary, TravnTexas. (4+ / 0-)

        I know what you mean about how "it pours out on the screen all at once."

        I do not want to miss your diary. These old eyes need some help. ;o)

        Do you think you could give us 24 hours' notice? Or even 12 hours?

        If you can give us 24 hours, we would need to check the Tree Climbers page once a day for a groupmail.

        One advantage of having a lot of Tree Climbers participating is having people available for throwing donuts at trolls. I learned how to make hidden comments visible only after SJF's 2 diaries, and I was amazed at how many trolls were drawn to them.

        KOS + groups + chat room = yes.

        Also, suggested tags:
        Afraid of Heights, Age of Consent, Bearing Witness, Breaking Patterns, Changing Patterns, Child Protection, Child Sexual Abuse, Childhood, Civil Rights, Courage, Crimes, Criminals, Dead, Dead Inside, Family, Fear, Gratitude, Grief, Innocence, Justice, Listening, Lost, Love, Never Again, Pedophiles, Physical Abuse, Play, Predators, Rage, Rape, Recovery, Safety, Sadism, See the Evil - Hear the Evil - Speak the Evil, Selfish, Sexual Abuse, Shame, Silence, Speaking, Stages, Support, Surviving, Teaching, Thriving, Tree Climbers, Trigger Warning, Truth, Witnessing, Victims

        If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

        by 2thanks on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 09:08:56 AM PST

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        •  Thank you for tags. some kind soul (4+ / 0-)
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          added them to my first diary.

          And yes, I will give you as much notice as I can. I wonder, can you send a message to more than one person at a time? Maybe we just need to play with the message function to look for a workaround.

          all good thoughts, 2thanks. (I'm at work now, so must actually, you know-- go do some work).

        •  Good tags!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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          2thanks, Roxine

          Great list.

          All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

          by kishik on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 08:13:50 PM PST

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      •  I'm glad... (4+ / 0-)

        You've found a forum here you feel comfortable to write, TravnTexas.

        All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

        by kishik on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 08:02:26 PM PST

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  •  Just Catching Up (6+ / 0-)

    Hi Guys - sorry for not "playing by the rules" - I guess when a story comes up I feel compelled to write about it. And for me, it's not as much about diary hits as just getting the information out there. Of course I want more visibility and I leave it to you guys to tell me what to do! smile

    I had a great meeting last night in DC with two other survivors (including Rebecca/swedishjewfish, who submitted her input to me via email). We are in the planning stages of launching a website for advocacy. We're still working on the name and logistics - we have a programmer/designer who is offering his services pro bono and are still trying to decide if we're going to create a separate foundation or tie in with one already established (ala RAINN). Much to be decided! Any and all ideas welcomed!

    One of the ladies I met with last night has a friend in the Justice Department and she is going to ask them their opinion and details on setting up a 501c(3) organization. Additionally, she is going to try to call in a favor and see how we can get before the house and/or senate on this issue.

    We are also working on a package to deliver to schools - educating our children about the threat of CSA and equipping parents with the knowledge they need to identify grooming patterns, etc. These will, of course, be age appropriate - if you are interested in helping, send me a message. I'm thinking we'll approach the PTA's first (I'm pretty active in mine) - and especially with the Miramonte school story so prevalent, now may be the time to roll out this program.

    I have one more week of my current MBA class but then I think I'm going to take a break for a month - so I will have more time to devote to advocacy. (although I do work better when pushed! Hubby just thinks I'm doing too much)

    I defer to you guys on how best to build the following here - I will simply draft a diary when it hits me - and put it in the queue. This will allow someone else (2thanks? Onomastic? kishik?) to publish when they feel it's right. How does that sound? (And I'm assuming you guys can add tags, etc? Yes, I'm still playing that "newbie" card! haha - btw how do you send a Kos group mail anyway?)

    "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley

    by Roxine on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 08:40:41 AM PST

    •  The point is (4+ / 0-)
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      there are no rules yet. At least if there are rules, they've yet to be communicated.

      To send a message to the tree climbers group, go to the tree climbers page and click send message at the top of the page.

      All of your ideas sound very exciting and I hope you do well. Setting up a 501(c)(3) is a major pain, but well worth the effort, and you should fall into their definition (IRS) easily with your educational outreach plans.

      Good Luck Roxine. Phone home once in a while! :-)

    •  All is forgiven! (3+ / 0-)
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      (That was easy.) ;o)

      If you have a diary on a current topic like Miramonte I suggest for now you go ahead and publish it directly. We can always link to it from any regularly appearing diaries.

      I think every diary should have a lot of tags for people who hunt for diaries by tags.

      I think every diary should have comment like this one:

      More Tree Climbers diaries here.

      Here is the html for the above link:

      http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Tree%20Climbers

      If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

      by 2thanks on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 09:22:34 AM PST

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    •  I figured you were busy! (4+ / 0-)

      So thanks for the updates!!!

      I think we also do need to remind everyone to follow Tree Climbers. Because even though we want more people to read and hopefully comment but more importantly give voice to the people who have been agfected, children who are being abused, children lost, and also to create a haven for those we know it directly affects.

      Because while some may read, and then turn to what interests them next, there are others who may need to continue the dscussion... Past the initial posting of the diary.

      I hope I'm making sense.

      I also think we need not be discouraged if diaries don't garner immediate attention. I think with 2thanks suggestion that we select a regular time and day will eventually help out on that front.

      All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

      by kishik on Thu Feb 09, 2012 at 08:12:07 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  hi everyone. sorry for the absense but work (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sallystrutt, 2thanks, kishik, Roxine

    got unexpectedly busy and i purposely took a break from writing and commenting very much. i have a few thoughts i'll put out to the group;

    i like the idea of a Tree Climbers template with tags. another dkos group published a diary either last weekend or early this week and had a preamble i really liked. i wish i had saved it, i'll look for it.

    would someone like to write a preamble, if everyone thinks that's a good idea?

    as far as publishing, i think a posted schedule is a great idea. the more members we have the more diaries i'm assuming we'll have but what to do about a blank date?

    i'm always working on a few diaries at a time but i'm finding my process is not always 'time and date' friendly, especially if it involves something difficult to revisit.

    as to a day of the week, my best writing is done during the week between 11pm and 3am with an eye towards a sat or sun. completion. i like to 'be there' and shephard my diaries especially ones for Tree Climbers. i am not at a computer during the day and even if i was, i'd really rather give commenters in my diaries my full attention. i can do that during the weekend because i don't work.

    just a few thoughts and i look forward to your ideas, oh and i think at least for now, using this thread as a continuing conversation works for me.

    hope everyone is well.

    peace.

    There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck

    by dear occupant on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 06:41:04 AM PST

    •  So good to see you again... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      dear occupant, Roxine

      sometimes we all need a break from here.  Doesn't matter the reason.  I think every once in a while it's just good to take a break from the computer, you know?

      if you can, see if you can find that preamble...

      All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

      by kishik on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 02:39:50 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  dear occupant (2+ / 0-)
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      dear occupant, kishik

      you can occupy our treehouse anytime it suits you :)

      I look forward to seeing the preamble you are talking about and would be willing to take a cut at drafting one relative to our topic.  I have done quite a bit of research of late regarding CSA (in preparation for the start of a charitable foundation, I think?) and also because I have access to a myriad of studies thanks to my MBA program library.

      I look forward to reading your next diary - and I thank all of you guys for helping build this group.

      Sincerely,
      Roxine

      PS - I'm sure we'll hear from SwedishJewfish (Rebecca) when she is ready to come back - but I am glad she's taking a well-deserved break.

      "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley

      by Roxine on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 07:29:15 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  POSTED NEW DIARY (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    2thanks, dear occupant

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    And it will sure be nice to have the template 'whew -

    I had to go back and edit and add - and then some of the things we wanted to cover are in the comments - but I tried!  (A for effort?)

    And sorry no notice - but I was watching the proceedings (well, watching the tweeting of the proceedings) coming out of Centre County regarding Jerry Sandusky and just HAD to post it here.

    ok, now i'm going to grab lunch - #starving :)

    "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley

    by Roxine on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 09:05:14 AM PST

  •  Towards crowdsourcing a Preamble: Who Are We? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    dear occupant

    Be brief or long, and feel free to build on what others have posted.

    Finish one of these sentences, answer a question, or make your own:

    Tree Climbers is a place where ...
    The purpose of the group Tree Climbers is ...
    Who are the Tree Climbers?

    (not quibbling about punctuation)

    If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

    by 2thanks on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 12:19:07 PM PST

  •  Towards a Preamble: Where are we going? (0+ / 0-)

    What is the purpose of the group Tree Climbers?
    What do we think we can accomplish?
    What have we accomplished already?

    ... or make up your own ...

    If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

    by 2thanks on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 12:22:31 PM PST

  •  Towards a Preamble: How do we get there? (0+ / 0-)

    What diaries would you like to see?
    What diaries would you like to write?
    Do we need a moderator like Nurse Kelley?
    Who will be our moderator?
    Do we need a scheduling person?
    Who will be our scheduling person?
    What's missing from our diaries?
    If a troll wanders in, what do we do?
    Can we get a troll patrol? How?
    How do we invite frank discussion and protect people?
    Are we going to allow people to smoke in our comments?
    Do we put the words vagina and penis in our tags?

    ... or make up your own ...

    If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

    by 2thanks on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 12:42:05 PM PST

  •  Chat room, this diary, next diary (1+ / 0-)
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    Roxine

    As noted above, diaries can be commented in for 10 days.

    I suggest we move on to a new diary/chat room every week.

    This one started on Tuesday, February 7.

    imho, we should start chatting in another diary on Tuesday, February 14, Valentine's Day.

    If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

    by 2thanks on Fri Feb 10, 2012 at 01:36:12 PM PST

  •  Proposed template for the end of every diary (0+ / 0-)

    Comment #1 shows how the box might look in a diary. Diaries are wider than comments, so in a diary this would not look so squeezed together at the top, next to the picture. The size of the picture does not change.

    Comment #2 is the commands to generate the template. No editing is necessary. Copy and paste into your diary.

    Suggestions, anyone?

    If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

    by 2thanks on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 02:00:17 AM PST

    •  #1. Appearance in the diary. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      kishik

      This looks completely different in an actual glossary. All the frame, space, and margin issues work correctly in a diary.

      Tree Climbers is a safe place where people can speak about the abuse they suffered, give and receive support, learn more about childhood sexual abuse, and learn how to protect children.

      Once you become a member of Daily Kos, you can Follow (subscribe to) any diarist or group. From your home page, when you click on the word "Stream," a page will open that looks like an email Inbox. If you are curious about what a Stream page looks like, here is Sally Cat's Stream.

      You can Follow the Tree Climbers by clicking the red heart (♥) next to "Tree Climbers" at the top of the Tree Climbers home page.

      If you are ready to join Tree Climbers, send a private message via kosmail to SallyCat, Onomastic, or Aji for an invitation to join the group.

      We recommend that you read 2 diaries published by SwedishJewfish and also listen to the Roxine's radio broadcast:

      “No One Spoke up for Us": For The Children Who Had No Voice and for Those Finally Finding Theirs

      F**k Joe Paterno. (This is a huge page and causes download problems for many computers. We are working on making it more accessible.)

      Roxine read a statement about her childhood sexual abuse on Dr. Laura's radio show.

      If you are new to Daily Kos, you can learn more at the Daily Kos Frequently Asked Questions page.

      Tree Climbers is a community diary series. People who are recovering from childhood sexual abuse and those who support them gather in our Tree. You might read a story of someone who survived being groomed by a pedophile (this does not mean hair brushing), fondled, raped, beaten, and mutilated. Some of these crimes have gone on for years. The families of many have refused to believe them. For years. Many report being dead inside. For years. Families and society have stifled their voices, magnifying and perpetuating the abuse. We invite you to climb up in our safe tree with us. We have broad branches, sunshine, hammocks, cushions, and plenty of tissues. Comment on what you have read, ask general questions about these events, and/or share your perspective or something you have learned. If you are too overwhelmed to speak, you can just Witness. That's okay. Our only rule is to be kind; trolls will be thrown out of our tree.

      If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

      by 2thanks on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 02:05:12 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  oops. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        kishik

        The box looks completely different in a DIARY, not glossary.

        (Sorry, tired.)

        If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

        by 2thanks on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 02:38:29 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  2thanks!!!!!!! (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        2thanks

        I love it all, but especially this one line....
        We have broad branches, sunshine, hammocks, cushions, and plenty of tissues....

        And that trolls will be thrown out....

        Really terrific job!

        I hope others will comment, too!

        All the suffering of this world arises from a wrong attitude.The world is neither good or bad. It is only the relation to our ego that makes it seem the one or the other - Lama Anagorika Govinda

        by kishik on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 10:06:40 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  DON'T USE THIS ONE! (0+ / 0-)

        DON'T USE THIS ONE!

        DON'T USE THIS ONE!

        DON'T USE THIS ONE!

        Use the LAST version down the page!

        And PLEASE start your Tree Climbers diary title with  2 words and a colon:

        Tree Climbers:

        If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

        by 2thanks on Sun Feb 12, 2012 at 02:56:33 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  #2. Make sure these are the most recent commands. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      kishik

      <table border="2"><tr><td bgcolor="#ffffff"> <img src="http:/i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss29/csasoccer/20091109AMBpix163.jpg" align=right height="300" width="210" title="Four children in a tree, two in foreground, two mostly hidden."> <big>Tree Climbers</big> is a safe place where people can speak about the abuse they suffered, give and receive support, learn more about childhood sexual abuse, and learn how to protect children.

      <big>Once you become a member of Daily Kos,</big> you can Follow (subscribe to) any diarist or group. From your home page, when you click on the word "Stream," a page will open that looks like an email Inbox. If you are curious about what a Stream page looks like, here is <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/sallycat/stream">Sally Cat's Stream</a>.

      <big>You can Follow the Tree Climbers</big> by clicking the red heart (&hearts;) next to "Tree Climbers" at the top of the <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Tree%20Climbers">Tree Climbers home page</a>.

      <big>If you are ready to join Tree Climbers,</big> send a private message via kosmail to <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/newthread/sallycat">SallyCat</a>, <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/newthread/onomastic">Onomastic</a>, or <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/newthread/aji">Aji</a> for an invitation to join the group.

      <big>We recommend that you read 2 diaries published by SwedishJewfish and also listen to the Roxine's radio broadcast:</big>

      <blockquote><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/26/1058599--No-One-Spoke-Up-for-Us-For-The-Children-Who-Had-No-Voice-and-For-those-finally-finding-Theirs?via=blog_817147">“No One Spoke up for Us": For The Children Who Had No Voice and for Those Finally Finding Theirs<a>

      <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/22/1057341-F-k-Joe-Paterno-Final-Important-Update-please-read-lt-3-">F**k Joe Paterno</a>. (This is a huge page and causes download problems for many computers. We are working on making it more accessible.)

      Roxine read a statement about her childhood sexual abuse on <a href="http://www.drlaura.com/pg/jsp/charts/audioMaster.jsp;jsessionid=4BC9A494CE2CA6E326347D9268BE0CFF?dispid=306&pid=85793">Dr. Laura's radio show.</a></blockquote>

      <big>If you are new to Daily Kos,</big> you can learn more at the Daily Kos <a href="http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/DailyKos_FAQ">Frequently Asked Questions </a> page.

      <big>Tree Climbers is a community diary series. People who are recovering from childhood sexual abuse and those who support them gather in our Tree. </big>You might read a story of someone who survived being groomed by a pedophile (this does not mean hair brushing), fondled, raped, beaten, and mutilated. Some of these crimes have gone on for years. The families of many have refused to believe them. For years. Many report being dead inside. For years. Families and society have stifled their voices, magnifying and perpetuating the abuse. We invite you to climb up in our safe tree with us. We have broad branches, sunshine, hammocks, cushions, and plenty of tissues. Comment on what you have read, ask general questions about these events, and/or share your perspective or something you have learned. If you are too overwhelmed to speak, you can just Witness. That's okay. <big>Our only rule is to be kind; trolls will be thrown out of our tree.</big>

      </td></tr></table>

      If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

      by 2thanks on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 02:30:35 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  The Template is now in the queue for publishing (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      kishik

      at Tree Climbers.

      Please do not publish it. (There is no Tag in the Tag field, so it will not publish.)

      If you have Editor status, you can view it there as it would look in a diary.

      If you have any editing suggestions, please let me know.

      If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

      by 2thanks on Sat Feb 11, 2012 at 02:37:17 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Template Draft #2 (0+ / 0-)
    Tree Climbers is a community diary series for victims of childhood sexual abuse and those who support them. Tree Climbers sustain each other, learn more about childhood sexual abuse, and discover and create ways to protect children.

    Following. Once you become a member of Daily Kos, you can Follow (subscribe to) any diarist or group. From your home page, when you click on the tab  "My Stream," a page will open that looks like an email Inbox. If you are curious about what a Stream page looks like, here is Sally Cat's "My Stream" page.

    Follow the Tree Climbers. If you click the red heart (♥) next to "Tree Climbers" at the top of the Tree Climbers home page, our diaries will be delivered directly to you.  

    If you are ready to join Tree Climbers, send a private message via kosmail to SallyCat, Onomastic, or Aji for an invitation to join the group.

    Two special diaries and one radio broadcast. We recommend that you read 2 diaries published recently by SwedishJewfish and also listen to Roxine's radio broadcast. All three, very powerful.

    F**k Joe Paterno. (This is a huge diary and causes download problems for many computers. We are exploring ways to make it more accessible.)

    “No One Spoke up for Us": For The Children Who Had No Voice and for Those Finally Finding Theirs

    On Dr. Laura's radio show, Roxine read her statement that you can read in one of the above 2 diaries.

    If you are new to Daily Kos, you can learn more at the Daily Kos Frequently Asked Questions page.  

    Trigger Warning: The next paragraph requires brutal words. Skip it if you are feeling fragile, scroll it off the page.  

    In a typical diary, you might read a story of someone who survived the grooming (this does not mean hair brushing), the fondlings, the rapings, the beatings, the mutilations, and the death threats perpetrated by a sadistic egocentric molester of an innocent child. Criminals abuse their victims. For years. Families refuse to believe the victims. For years. Victims report being dead inside. For years. Families and society have stifled the voices of victims and magnified and perpetuated the abuse. For years. We weep.

    If we do not speak the crimes, how will the crimes be stopped? If we do not protect the children, how will the children be protected? Let the healing roll in, like justice.

    We invite you to climb or be lifted up in our safe tree with us. We have broad branches, sunshine, hammocks, cushions, and plenty of tissues. Comment on the diary, ask questions, and share your perspective or even your story. If you are too overwhelmed to speak, you can just witness. That's okay. Some of the Tree Climbers are as silent as a jury.

    Our basic Tree Climbers rule is to be kind.

    If you act like a troll, we will calmly watch while you become invisible. When we were children, we had no power. But we are no longer children. Climbing trees is not healthy for trolls, everybody knows that. We think you will have more fun in another forest.  

    If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

    by 2thanks on Sun Feb 12, 2012 at 02:58:40 AM PST

    •  Please ask me for the commands & text (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      kishik

      like maybe 24 hours before you will need them.

      I will check in at least a couple of times a day.

      Thanks for your comments kishik!

      Had to change the last paragraph, even though I liked it it a lot.

      It seemed to in-your-face, too pow-pow, too yang.

      Throwing someone out of a tree is nothing I want to be a part of, even in print.

      Oh, by the way, please do not tell him I told you this, but check out dear occupant's diaries. I am Following him. I don't want to miss anything he writes. In Solidarity. Wow.

      If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

      by 2thanks on Sun Feb 12, 2012 at 03:09:44 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  current codes, slightly adjusted, use as is (0+ / 0-)

        <table border="2"><tr><td bgcolor="#ffffff"> <img src="http:/i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss29/csasoccer/20091109AMBpix163.jpg" align=right height="290" width="210" title="Four children in a tree, two in foreground, two mostly hidden."> <big>Tree Climbers is a community diary series for victims of childhood sexual abuse and those who support them.</big>

        <big>Tree Climbers sustain each other, learn about childhood sexual abuse, and discover and create ways to protect children. </big>

        <big>Following.</big> Once you become a member of Daily Kos, you can Follow (subscribe to) any diarist or group. From your home page, when you click on the tab  "My Stream," a page will open that looks like an email Inbox. If you are curious about what a Stream page looks like, here is <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/sallycat/stream">Sally Cat's "My Stream" page</a>.

        <big>Follow the Tree Climbers.</big> If you click the red heart (&hearts;) next to "Tree Climbers" at the top of the <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Tree%20Climbers">Tree Climbers home page</a>, our diaries will be delivered directly to you.  

        <big>Join Tree Climbers.</big> You are welcome to join us. To do so, send a private message via kosmail to <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/newthread/sallycat">SallyCat</a>, <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/newthread/onomastic">Onomastic</a>, or <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/newthread/aji">Aji</a> for an invitation to join the group.

        <big>Special diaries and a radio broadcast.</big> We recommend that you read 2 diaries published recently by SwedishJewfish and also listen to a radio broadcast by Roxine. Very moving.

        <blockquote><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/22/1057341-F-k-Joe-Paterno-Final-Important-Update-please-read-lt-3-">F**k Joe Paterno<a>. (This is a huge diary and causes download problems for many computers. We are exploring ways to make it more accessible.)

        <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/26/1058599--No-One-Spoke-Up-for-Us-For-The-Children-Who-Had-No-Voice-and-For-those-finally-finding-Theirs?via=blog_817147">“No One Spoke up for Us": For The Children Who Had No Voice and for Those Finally Finding Theirs</a>

        On <a href="http://www.drlaura.com/pg/jsp/charts/audioMaster.jsp;jsessionid=4BC9A494CE2CA6E326347D9268BE0CFF?dispid=306&pid=85793">Dr. Laura's radio show</a>, Roxine read her statement that you can read in one of the above 2 diaries. </blockquote>

        <big>Got technical questions?</big> Learn more at the Daily Kos <a href="http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/DailyKos_FAQ">Frequently Asked Questions </a> page.  

        <big>Trigger Warning

        The next paragraph requires brutal words. Please feel free to scroll it off your monitor or screen. </big>  

        In a typical diary, you might read a story of someone who survived the grooming (this does not mean hair brushing), the fondlings, the rapings, the beatings, the mutilations, and the death threats perpetrated by a sadistic egocentric molester of an innocent child. Criminals abuse their victims. For years. Families refuse to believe the victims. For years. Victims report being dead inside. For years. Families and society have stifled the voices of victims and magnified and perpetuated the abuse. For years. We weep.

        If we do not speak the crimes, how will the crimes be stopped? If we do not protect the children, how will the children be protected? Let the healing roll in, like justice.

        We invite you to climb or be lifted up in our safe tree with us. We have broad branches, sunshine, hammocks, cushions, and plenty of tissues. Comment on the diary, ask questions, and share your perspective or even your story. If you are too overwhelmed to speak, you can just witness. That's okay. Some of the Tree Climbers are as silent as a jury.

        <big>Tree Climbers Rule</big>

        <big>Be kind. </big>

        <big>Consequences</big>

        <big>If you act like a </big>troll<big> in our tree, we will calmly watch while you become invisible. </big> When we were children, we had no power. But we are no longer children. Climbing trees is not healthy for trolls, everybody knows that. <big>If you are a </big>troll<big> we think you will have more fun in another forest.</big>

        </td></tr></table>

        If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

        by 2thanks on Sun Feb 12, 2012 at 09:39:01 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  This looks incredible! (0+ / 0-)

          Sorry I've been MIA for the last 24 hours - hubby took me away on a early Valentine's day get away!

          My son is having surgery tomorrow morning and I have a final exam, but I should have some time in the evening to learn how to use this.

          2thanks - this looks INCREDIBLE!  Thank you so much for all of your hard work! I can't wait for Rebecca to get back and see what all of you guys have done in building this group!  It's really awe-inspiring.

          And I'm behind on diaries - I will catch up tomorrow - I promise!  

          "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley

          by Roxine on Sun Feb 12, 2012 at 02:50:48 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  it is okay, hope you enjoyed getaway. (0+ / 0-)

            retroactive prayers for your son how did it go?

            thank you.

            If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

            by 2thanks on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 06:55:29 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Son - recovering nicely (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              2thanks

              Thanks for asking.  It's my older son (23) - he had his tonsils out so he'll be down for about 10 days.  But he's handling the pain pretty well.

              I'm back at work today playing catch up.  But I do have a 2 week break from classes, so hopefully I can spend more time in Tree Climbers - I have a diary that wants to be written, just still formulating my thoughts...

              Thanks to ALL of you guys for keeping this conversation going.  As most of you know, for survivors, all too often it gets swept aside or under the rug and people just don't want to talk about it.  But we've seen the evidence of what happens when people STOP talking about CSA.  It just continues to happen to little kids...

              Ok, work then hopefully writing...

              "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley

              by Roxine on Wed Feb 15, 2012 at 07:51:55 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

        •  Template not ready yet (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Roxine

          Please do not use the commands I posted  on Sun Feb 12, 2012 at 12:39:01 PM EST

          I am working with nomandates on some technical issues.

          TEMPLATE NOT READY YET.

          TEMPLATE NOT READY YET.

          TEMPLATE NOT READY YET.

          If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

          by 2thanks on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 03:10:51 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Template not ready (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Roxine

      Please do not use the commands I posted  on Sun Feb 12, 2012 at 12:39:01 PM EST

      I am working with nomandates on some technical issues.

      TEMPLATE NOT READY YET.

      TEMPLATE NOT READY YET.

      TEMPLATE NOT READY YET.

      If you are a primary caregiver, Intermittent Family Medical Leave could help you maintain your job and your sanity (U.S. Department of Labor).

      by 2thanks on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 03:10:02 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

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