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The House passed the payroll tax cut extension this morning, 293-132 (91 Republicans and 41 Democrats opposed), then prepared to skip town for their week-long observance of Presidents' Day. The package lost support from some key Democratic members, including Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD), because it specifically targets federal workers who are key constituents in those members' districts in its spending cuts. Virginia Sen. Mark Warner is also expected to oppose the bill for that reason. Future federal employees will have to pay a significantly larger chunk of their paycheck into their pension funds.

The bill extends unemployment benefits through the end of 2012, but by the end of the year, it will reduce the number of weeks of unemployment eligibility to 63 weeks in states with moderate jobless rates and 73 weeks for those with the highest unemployment. The pay-fors now include those unpopular adjustments to the federal retiree pensions formula, requiring new hires to pay more into their pension plans, shielding current federal workers from the hike. They'll raise $15 billion from a spectrum auction of wireless bandwidth. The plan also includes $5 billion from a new health care fund created by the Affordable Care Act focused on prevention, and additional reimbursement cuts to some Medicare and Medicaid providers.

As of now, the bill's prospects in the Senate are a tiny bit murky, though it is expected to pass. None of the Senate Republicans on the conference committee —Jon Kyl (AZ), Mike Crapo (ID) and John Barrasso (WY)—signed onto the final agreement and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has yet to signal whether he supports it. Apparently, McConnell is feeling pissy because House Speaker John Boehner didn't consult with him about his decision to capitulate on paying for the tax cuts, and because Senate Republicans were left out of the party. Boehner disagrees, saying, "[From] everything that I’ve seen, they’ve been as involved in the process as anybody else. [...] There was an awful lot of conversation. As a matter of fact, if I recall correctly, there were two or three public meetings where they were all present. So for someone to say they weren’t involved really would surprise me.”

McConnell was vocal during the last payroll tax cut extension debacle in December, leaning on Boehner to buck his caucus and force through a temporary extension. McConnell seemed to recognize just how damaging the fight was to Republicans, so it doesn't seem likely that he'll actually block the bill. But it sure is fun to see the pissing match between these two GOP leaders continue.

9:18 AM PT: Boy, they can move fast when vacation is on the line. The Senate just passed the bill, 60-36. Among Republicans voting for it was Mitch McConnell. D.C. area Democrats including Ben Cardin, Barbara Mikulksi and Mark Warner voted against it.

9:21 AM PT: Here's the House roll call vote. Senate roll call will be posted soon.

9:58 AM PT: And, finally, here's the Senate roll call.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:40 AM PST.

Also republished by Social Security Defenders.

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  •  The MSM is falling all over this in their praise (10+ / 0-)

    of "bipartisanship". They make it sound like Republicans were being reasonable and willing to work for the good of the American people. Yeah, on this one thing, this one time. But you can bet your bippy (oh, Rowen and Martin, where are you now...) they'll be back to their obstructionist selves when they return from recess. They still have an economy to wreck and women to subjugate. :P

    "What profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" Paul 8:36

    From the Gospel of St. Ron Paul in the Teachings and Misunderstandings of the Words of Adam Smith

    by ontheleftcoast on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:46:55 AM PST

    •  Yeah, but they are also mentioning the (8+ / 0-)

      GOP cave on this.  SO the narrative is that when the GOP caves, you get bipartisanship.

      At least I hope that's the narrative.

      "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

      by zenbassoon on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:50:18 AM PST

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      •  True (2+ / 0-)
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        They're saying the GOP dont want a repeat of what happened to them last time when they knew they were gonna be held responsible if the cuts didnt pass. They had no choice but to cave lol. Not like thats gonna save them come November.

      •  One time does not a narrative make (5+ / 0-)

        But you're right, the GOP did cave though NPR reported it as Republicans offered to work with Democrats to avoid a repeat of last year's crisis. They failed completely to mention that crisis was wholy a GOP created fiasco and made it sound like Democrats were equally to blame for the failure. Ugh. When Democrats stand their ground they're obstructionists. When the GOP stands their ground they're "principled". That meme needs to be destroyed.
         

        "What profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" Paul 8:36

        From the Gospel of St. Ron Paul in the Teachings and Misunderstandings of the Words of Adam Smith

        by ontheleftcoast on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:55:35 AM PST

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    •  Our expectations for congress are so low, (0+ / 0-)

      the MSM really expected the Rs to insist on yet another dispute that hurt both their own political prospects and America.  "Wow, it only took a drop in their approval ratings to single digits for them to agree to a tax cut".

      Romney is campaigning to be President SuperBain; his cure is to cut wages, end pensions, let companies go bankrupt, and let the assets of production go dark or be sold to China. He really thinks thats the best of all possible Americas.

      by Inland on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:52:21 AM PST

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    •  "I never thought I would have to see the day when (1+ / 0-)
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      "I never thought I would have to see the day when a Democratic president of the United States and a Democratic vice president would agree to put Social Security in this kind of jeopardy," exclaimed a visibly agitated Harkin from the Senate floor. "Never did I ever imagine a Democratic president would be the beginning of the unraveling of Social Security."

      I guess firing Shirley Sherrod wasn't enough for Obama to show what he really feels about public service workers.

      Yeah, re-elect Obama, the first Democratic president to promise to cut back Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, fueling the longtime reichwing dream of ending the social safety net entirely.

      http://thehill.com/...

      •  I agree that the payroll tax "holiday" (1+ / 0-)
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        was a total trap that we are now caught in.  

        As soon as we try to go back to paying into the one entitlement that we really ARE totally and unequivocally entitled to, it's a "tax increase".    Talk about letting a Trojan horse into the gates of the city ...

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:57:48 AM PST

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  •  Must be an election year (2+ / 0-)
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    As always, we can expect to see Republicans acting like they give a damn about America and the middle class for what....another nine months or so? Hey...they may even try to create a job or two like they promised two years ago...in between launching their usual flood of election year issues that cater to the uneducated, like contraception and gay flag burning. Gotta get some votes somehow.

    "Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper

    by wilder5121 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:47:26 AM PST

  •  What's a good way to track (1+ / 0-)
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    roll call for these votes?

    Let's say I want to know how Allen West voted, how can I follow that quickly?

  •  did they actually do anything this year? (0+ / 0-)

    two mos gone and they extended something.
    of course they had "...an awful lot of conversation."

    and two or three meetings when everybody showed?
    not of course meetings on birth control- women didnt show

  •  Thanks Joan nt (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:50:17 AM PST

  •  i don't really care about this (0+ / 0-)
    But it sure is fun to see the pissing match between these two GOP leaders continue.
    unless they happen to drown each other in the process. what i do care about is that, as usual, the people who can least afford to, are being told to foot the bill for this.
  •  What does "moderate" unemnployment rate mean? (0+ / 0-)

    Are we talking about 5s and 6s?  Or into the 7s?

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:50:56 AM PST

  •  There was an awful lot of conversation. (1+ / 0-)
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    Obviously mumbling to yourself constitutes "Conversation"

    Response: If you "got it" you wouldn't be a republican

    by JML9999 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:51:03 AM PST

  •  You're allowed to pass stuff in the senate w 51 (3+ / 0-)
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    votes?

    Who knew!?

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:51:21 AM PST

  •  Amazing to me that we celebrate Republicans (4+ / 0-)
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    "caving in" to support a cut in Social Security taxes that they would have supported all along were it not for Obama also being for it.

    "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

    by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:52:42 AM PST

  •  No worries (0+ / 0-)

    " To offset the cost of averting the physician cut, inpatient acute care hospitals would see their Medicare bad debt payments reduced from the current 70% level to 65% beginning in fiscal year 2013; and critical access hospitals would see their payments reduced from 100% to 65%, phased in over three years. The legislation also would extend the current therapy cap and exceptions process to services provided in hospital outpatient departments through Dec. 31, and would reduce Medicaid Disproportionate Share Hospital payments in 2021."

    http://www.ahanews.com/

    •  So in other words, indigent care (1+ / 0-)
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      can no longer be provided by hospitals.  Lovely.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 10:00:09 AM PST

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  •  I would like to see a list of all those (0+ / 0-)

    who did NOT vote for this.  I am sure it is mostly the Tea Party.

  •  Boner to Caucus: Screw you guys, I want to keep (0+ / 0-)

    this job.

  •  Obama renews promise to end (1+ / 0-)
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    the social safety net, just like the teabaggers want. And not for the first time.

    "I never thought I would have to see the day when a Democratic president of the United States and a Democratic vice president would agree to put Social Security in this kind of jeopardy," exclaimed a visibly agitated Harkin from the Senate floor. "Never did I ever imagine a Democratic president would be the beginning of the unraveling of Social Security."
    yes, let federal workers have their pension payments cover unemployment. Can't touch that Obama Tax Cut for Billionaires to pay for anything.

    Yeah, re-elect Obama, the first Democratic president to promise to cut back Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, fueling the longtime reichwing dream of ending the social safety net entirely.

    http://thehill.com/...

  •  McConnell vs Boehner ... "pissy", Oh you bet! (4+ / 0-)
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    Joan quotes Boehner:

    "There was an awful lot of conversation. As a matter of fact, if I recall correctly, there were two or three public meetings where they were all present. So for someone to say they weren’t involved really would surprise me.”
    -  First, Boehner went public. (Even if McConnell did, you do not escalate a bitch about non-communication.)
    -  Second, Boehner referred to "someone" when it was the Minority Leader of the United States Senate.
    -  Third, this is mogul to mogul, here. One mogul simply does not tell another that it's OK if he and his people learn about the details of a very important piece of legislation in "two or three public meetings."
    We are witnessing serious disfunction within the GOP at the very top levels and in a very public manner. HOORAY!

    Obama and strong Democratic majorities in 2012!

    by TRPChicago on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:01:10 AM PST

  •  are the rich getting these cuts too? n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  146 to 147 (3+ / 0-)
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    Although it was only by one vote, I thought it was significant that more Democrats voted YES than Republicans.  That does not look good for Speaker Boehner who made this deal.  Besides getting more support for his deal from the opposition party than his own, this vote makes him look weak in a couple of other ways.

    1. He needed 72 Democrats to pass this bill, even though his party holds a 25 seat majority.

    2. About 38% of his own caucus defected and voted NO.

    No matter how you slice it, this is by no means a win for Boehner in terms of his stature within the House Republican caucus.  

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:04:38 AM PST

  •  The Roll Call (1+ / 0-)
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    WhyWhat

    Somebody please post a link to who voted how.

  •  "Feeling pissy" and being pissy, that's (0+ / 0-)

    what McConnell does best.

    I swear, he looks--nearly always--as if he's been forced to drink piss.

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:15:17 AM PST

  •  I am worried about the unemployment extension (1+ / 0-)
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    in regard to unemployment percentage drop.

    Are those who will get an extension already counted in the unemployment numbers now...as of today?  I read somewhere this morning, that it will cause a hike in the unemployment statists when those who have been waiting for this to pass to get benefits again, are thus are added again to the totals.  Is this true?

    •  Extension? (0+ / 0-)

      Democrats propose 6-week cut in jobless benefits

      Of course, we're supposed to just say that it's not their fault and that the almost omnipotent Republicans are making them do this.

      "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

      by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 10:32:02 AM PST

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      •  And more "good" news for working people! (1+ / 0-)
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        Obama to unions: See you later

        On Tuesday President Obama signed a bill that will make it harder for workers to form a union.  This bill, the FAA Reauthorization Act, passed Congress last week despite an outcry from major unions.  Dozens of House Democrats voted for it, as did most Democratic senators.

        To appreciate what that means, try to imagine a Republican president and Republican Senate majority leader signing off on a bill with pro-union language despite thundering objections from most big businesses.  Your imagination may not be good enough to picture that, which tells you everything you need to know about the asymmetry between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to labor.

        On Jan. 20, with both parties saying it was time to resolve the issue once and for all, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced a compromise with the GOP: The FAA bill would stay silent on how union election votes are counted – meaning the NMB rule stays in place until future NMB appointees reverse it.  But labor will face a steeper obstacle earlier in the process.  Rather than being required to submit signatures from 35 percent of workers in a bargaining unit to trigger an election (as had been required), unions would have to submit signatures from a majority just for a vote to be held.  It wasn’t immediately obvious what was so bad about this; in most cases, filing for a union election without a strong majority committed to vote yes is organizing malpractice.  Many unions were slow to issue reactions, and a few voiced support.

        "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

        by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 10:35:31 AM PST

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        •  Obama (1+ / 0-)
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          is the best Republican president ever.

          GO OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          •  I think this poster really lays it out quite well (1+ / 0-)
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            Crazy like a fox

            An Open Letter To Stephanie Miller, Assorted Mooks, and John Fugelsang

            While you guys are high fiving each other over the radio about the Republican “defeat” over the payroll tax cut “victory” by Obama and the Democrats, you conveniently gloss over the fact that the Republicans actually got what they wanted from the federal unemployment insurance benefits “compromise”.  99 weeks of benefits would be cut to 73 weeks or as low as 63 weeks. In addition, states would be able to force UIB applicants to go through drug testing. The Republicans wanted to mandate that all UIB applicants be at least school graduates, but you can’t have everything.

            The right wing should be ridiculed for it’s ongoing onslaught of Obama bashing, but in the case where they claim the Obama administration cooked the unemployment rate books, they’re right. None other than Sen. Bernie Sanders states the actual rate is close to 15% when you add back in those with expired UIB, those who have stopped looking, those employed part-time, and those working multiple part-time jobs just to get by.

            And Sanders voted against the payroll tax cut bill.  Why? Because for every meager $40 extra per month the average worker sees in his paycheck, that’s $40 being diverted from the Social Security Trust Fund. Obama says the shortage will be made up from the General Fund and that he won’t renew the tax cut after this. Maybe, maybe not. But after two years of precedent, doesn’t sound too believable.

            "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

            by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 11:00:04 AM PST

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            •  It's bone chilling for me (3+ / 0-)
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              to see so many "progressives" repeatedly cheering for Republican policies - as long as Obama supports them. And every time Obama puts forward Republican policies, the Republican Party just responds by moving even further to the right. This "vote for the lesser" evil crap has only succeeded in moving the Overton Window further and further to the right so that now we have "progressives/liberals" cheering for right wing policies.

              "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

              by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 11:01:12 AM PST

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              •  I (1+ / 0-)
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                can't believe the blind support for Obama here.

                Maybe people on Daily Kos should go out and talk to real people more because more and more people I talk to who are Democrats  (truth be told I don't know many Republicans) are not going to vote for Obama precisely because they know he has sold us out over and over.

                •  And the fact of the matter is (1+ / 0-)
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                  that Obama has more than made up our lost support by gaining the support of traditional Republicans like Ben Stein, Andrew Sullivan, etc. I hope the entire Republican Party crashes and burns. Maybe then we can get serious about a TRUE second party to challenge the Democratic Party from the left. Lord knows there's a lot more to challenge it about from the left than from the right nowadays.

                  "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

                  by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 11:16:35 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Oh really? (0+ / 0-)

                    According to Gallup, among Liberal Democrats, Obama's support is at 88%. Among Moderate Democrats it is at 81%. Among Conservative Democrats it is at 75%.
                    Just because you wish for something to be true, does not make it so.

                    •  Read what I said. (0+ / 0-)

                      He's more than made up for the support of people like me who he's lost. As your figures indicate, he has 20-30% of Republicans supporting him, more than enough to make up for people like me who voted for him the first time but who will not this time.

                      "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

                      by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 01:16:46 PM PST

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                      •  Read what I said. (0+ / 0-)

                        You were pointing out that there is a greater need to challenge Obama from the left, when polls show that is where his strongest support is. That 80% of the Teapublican Party that doesn't support him is much more likely to pose a threat in elections as an actual party than the 12% to the left which you are a part of (Keep in mind the 12% that does not approve is part of only about 20% of the population which considers themselves "Liberal Democrats" so we're talking 2-3% total population)
                        The Republican Party will have to change over time to be competitive with changing demographics and fewer and fewer people agreeing with them on social issues. I think it is far fetched though to think that anytime soon there will be only the current Democratic Party and a second party to the left of it.

                        •  There's a greater need to challenge the entire (1+ / 0-)
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                          party from the left - regardless of how many from the "left" think conservative policies are "liberal." Doesn't mean it will happen, but there's a definite need. Part of the problem is that politicians like Obama and other not so liberal Democrats are portrayed as Socialists when they're anything but that. The Overton Window has shifted so far to the right it's ridiculous.

                          "I wish I could tell you, in the midst of all of this, that President Obama was waging the kind of fight against these draconian Republican proposals that the American people would like to see. He is not." -- Senator Bernie Sanders

                          by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 02:52:15 PM PST

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  •  So much for the farce of "deficit reduction..." (0+ / 0-)

    yet again. Just another irresponsible tax.

    Reform the Democratic Party. We've been lulled to sleep by false promises of hope from a corporatist cabal for too long.

    by masswaster on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:45:26 AM PST

  •  Overheard in the coffeeshop this morning (0+ / 0-)

    were a group of recently-retired blue-collar workers, probably from the public works department or something of that nature.  

    One opined that the Social Security money was being used for other things and this was a problem.  He wasn't sure that suspending payroll taxes was a good idea (I would agree).  

    But then the others chimed in that the real problem with Social Security was all those people who hadn't paid into it, getting benefits from it.   Yup, it was the free-loaders that were messing it up for everyone.  

    Wait, I thought.  My mom was a substitute teacher for 30 years, never had SS withholding, and as a result draws no SS.  Maybe she would draw a little if she was destitute, but her and my dad are fine.  I don't see that there ARE freeloaders in SS retirement.

    So I guess this is the new evil lie about it. I suppose recently it came out in a coordinated fashionfrom Rush, Hannity, et al?  

    WHAT free-loaders?

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:54:49 AM PST

    •  They probably think the "illegals" get it (1+ / 0-)
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      somehow.  It's not true....but Rush said it was, so they can take it to the bank.  

      I heard this morning in our break room that Obama is taking away Social Security to give a tax cut "to poor people who don't want to work for a living".....so now a PAYROLL tax cut will go to people with no job!  

      I tried to help out their thinking but it did no good.  (sigh)

  •  See them applaud themselves (0+ / 0-)

    because they actually got something done.

  •  assault on Social Security - hooray? (3+ / 0-)
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    Can anyone please explain how undercutting the foundation of Social Security for short term political gain is a good thing?

    Sure, it is popular with working citizens needing every dollar per week.  Sure, it seems like a simple way to stimulate economic activity since said citizens have to spend every dollar per week.

    But at the end of the day - how does this do anything but knock down Social Security?   How easy will it be to restore the FICA rates without major political cost?

    Where is the policy discussion about removing the income cap on FICA taxes?  Where is the policy discussion about putting FICA taxes on capital gains?

    chirp chirp chirp

    without making policy changes to the income side, these popular "payroll tax cuts" will only lead to dismantling of social security.

    Please explain what I am missing?

    •  The way I understand it (0+ / 0-)

      the money lost due to the payroll tax cut is made up with money from the general fund, meaning that, as long as these tax cuts are temporary, there shouldn't be any problem.  As you say, "it is popular with working citizens needing every dollar per week"... Right now, that is a lot of people.  Long term, no, this wouldn't work, but for the short term, it should be a way to get more money to working families while also keeping Social Security strong.

      •  "while keepign social security strong"? How? (0+ / 0-)

        How do you figure cutting the taxes and taking funding from the general account is "keeping Social Security strong" exactly?

        It will be very difficult and politically hazardous to restore the FICA tax rates after these cuts.

        Making up the difference from the general fund validates the canard of the right wing that the Social Security Trust Fund is part of the deficit problem - making attacks inevitable.

        I don't see any way that these short term cuts do anything but weaken and endanger the Social Security system.

  •  Mark Warner is a Blue Dog... (0+ / 0-)

    of the first order. We should remember this when he looks to run for president in 2016. This should go along with his "Gang of Six" end-run to try and cut Medicare and Medicaid, likening MoveOn members to Teahadists. I'm sure there is more. Just say "no" to Mark Warner.

    "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

    by VA6thDem on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 10:35:44 AM PST

    •  He voted against this bill because it will (0+ / 0-)

      be paid for by federal workers in VA. Same reason the two Senators from MD voted against it. He did the right thing here for his constituents.

      President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

      by askew on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 10:52:25 AM PST

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      •  I agree... (0+ / 0-)

        I heard on the radio he voted against it because it would raise the debt. I didn't read the diary. Otherwise, my feelings about him remain the same.

        "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

        by VA6thDem on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 01:33:00 PM PST

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  •  Congratulations (0+ / 0-)

    Kossacks, one step closer to Social Security benefits being cut.

  •  This couldn't have happened w/o occupy :-) nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  Some republicans say the unemployed would (0+ / 0-)

    get jobs if only their unemployment benefits would end. My Tea Party neighbor actually falls into his own view of that since he finally got a job, albeit not one he wanted, after his unemployment ran out.

    I'm kind of torn on the matter because I know some out there probably need it, but there are probably some like my neighbor who are just sitting on their hands for as long as possible until their benefits run out-if they can't find a job that they want.

    Maybe I would feel the same if I couldn't regain a similar job I wanted at the pay I had, but I sure hate how Federal workers are getting the shaft for the private sector.

    Does anybody know the details of how this affects the pension plans for future Federal workers? It won't affect my wife, but I've considered a Federal job in the near future.

    "You don't have the right facts!"~My Tea Party Neighbor

    by Therapy on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 04:28:48 PM PST

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