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Rick Santorum wants you to procreate (Gage Skidmore)
Rick Santorum wants you to believe that he's had a "consistent record" on the fact that women have a right to access to birth control.

Not so fast, Ricky. Ed Kilgore makes an excellent point. Santorum has signed on to the radical Personhood Pledge, Personhood USA's pledge to support and promote both state and federal "personhood" laws. Those laws would declare any fertilized egg a person with full legal rights.

Here's where birth control comes in: Many forms of birth control, including the Pill and IUD's would fall under the law's purview. Any method that could prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus—the medical definition of a viable pregnancy—would be an abortifacient under the law. It would also ban in vitro fertilization. It could also kill women.

Then there are potentially fatal accidents of nature, in which the egg, instead of proceeding to the uterus, becomes stuck in one of the fallopian tubes in what is called an ectopic pregnancy. The embryo can never develop into a live birth and the ectopic pregnancy must be ended or the tube will rupture and the woman will die. Before there were blood tests to reveal the failure of an egg to implant normally, most women did die from ectopic pregnancy. One of the obvious dangers of this amendment would be the prosecution of doctors for performing a standard life-saving procedure. We are talking here about a medical measure to save the life of a real person, not of a group of cells that can never become a person because nature has made an error.
Not that that would deter Santorum, or any other politician who would sign on to this kind of pledge. It's been very well established that the life of the woman becomes meaningless at the point a sperm finds an egg.

Santorum not only has not consistently recognized a woman's right to access to contraception: He's pledged to take it away.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 12:47 PM PST.

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  •  Why does Medicare define 'viable pregnancy'? (6+ / 0-)

    Is that a preemptive move to stop Rick from dissolving marriages in the senior set?

    Am I right, or am I right? - The Singing Detective

    by Clem Yeobright on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 12:54:57 PM PST

    •  LOL (1+ / 0-)
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      annieli

      Thank you. You know how when you type one word a million times eventually your fingers just go there without your brain even getting involved?

      You can't imagine how hard it is for me to type John McCain.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 01:52:00 PM PST

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  •  Well (10+ / 0-)

    you know he meant those "good kinds" of contraceptives, not the bad ones that mess with the fertilized egg.

    Always gives me a chuckle that the "right-to-life" crowd are also the same gang at trials screaming blue-bloody-murder for death.   They're also the first to scream for war and dropping bombs on other populations.

    Yeah, they aren't big believers in right-to-life unless it is involved in controlling a woman's uterus.

    •  I chuckled a bit last night when O'Donnell (13+ / 0-)

      interviewed Santorum's pet billionnaire. He said that contraceptive is cheap, so everyone can get it. O'Donnell said that some women have no access to it, so what should they do. Freis said they could go to Planned Parenthood...

      I just chuckled for a split second -- and then I slammed my head into a wall. Omifreakinggod. We'll take away your birth control but don't worry, you can always get some at the clinic we defunded and shut down?!?!?

      The search for truth and knowledge is one of the finest attributes of a man, though often it is most loudly voiced by those who strive for it the least -- Albert Einstein

      by theKgirls on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 01:55:58 PM PST

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      •  That's because (4+ / 0-)
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        Matt Z, Oh Mary Oh, OldDragon, theKgirls

        Squishy-Boy's billionaire, Foster's Freeze*, has no concept of

        a) Doing girl-plumbing things,
        b) Having insufficient money to buy shit that is necessary, and
        c) Being confronted with a situation of either paying for food or rent, but not both.

        * Yes, I know it isn't spelled that way, but why not think about the real FF instead of some crusty old git?

        ----
        Q. Why is Obama like a stalagmite?
        A. One is always in a cave and the other always caves in.

        by Simolean on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:31:04 PM PST

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  •  Wingnuts will jump out of windows (7+ / 0-)

    when they find out about his wife's late-term abortion.

  •  So has Rick abstained since his wife's last (10+ / 0-)

    pregnancy?

    If he only believes in sex for precreation, then he can't be having very much fun!  Wait a minute, maybe that's why he's such an ass.

    If you want to know the real answer: Just ask a Mom.

    by tacklelady on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 01:17:22 PM PST

  •  though some disagree it seems to me that the (4+ / 0-)
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    annieli, glorificus, nellgwen, Spoc42

    Personhood movement during the recent period I have been aware of it, is a manifestation of the Dominionist movement; their viewpoint ranges beyond the fertilized egg.  In their eyes, every sperm is sacred and, due to Divine Intervention or Predestination (neither of which they understand very well), it is a sin to prevent any sperm from potentially fertilizing any egg.  Barriers are as sinful as abortion.
    Of course they are being used by pols to achieve the pols' ultimate goal of the overturning of Griswold  The concept of individual privacy interferes with their vision of a future America

  •  this deserves ICE asylum in my frying pan (3+ / 0-)
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    glorificus, Spoc42, OldDragon

    dangerous voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare."

    by annieli on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 01:23:08 PM PST

  •  It's so easy to say you support life... (1+ / 0-)
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    OldDragon

    And not do everything in your power to ensure that such a life has a real chance at success.  You know, by not supporting unemployment insurance and benefits in the cases where the embryo you called a life takes a wrong turn somewhere; by not supporting health insurance coverage in case that future person becomes ill; by not supporting gay marriage in case that older person decides they don't want a DOMA-style family; or by not supporting the existence of Social Security and Medicare in case someone lives way past the retirement age.

    Oh but they support life, right?  Yeah, good for them.  Life obviously isn't defined as the point when someone has brain function because then this guy would be a zombie.

    The most dangerous... programs, from a movement conservative's point of view, are the ones that work the best and thereby legitimize the welfare state. Krugman

    by BasharH on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 01:54:10 PM PST

  •  Randians promote detrimental laws (4+ / 0-)
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    glorificus, Dr Stankus, Matt Z, Spoc42

    because they don't expect them to have any effect. Since they don't comply with the law, they don't expect anyone else to comply either.

    That said,

    "Ricky lied? He's disqualified."

    People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

    by hannah on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 03:51:15 PM PST

  •  Can a (3+ / 0-)
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    mamamedusa, weinerschnauzer, Spoc42

    zygote or fetus be counted in the Census?

    Can it be issued a Social Security number?

    Does it need a passport to cross an international border?

    Can it be insured?

    Can it be named as an heir or a beneficiary?

    Can it be sued?

    Can it make a political donation?

    These are not hyperbole. These are legitimate questions that need to be answered by personhood supporters.

    Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

    by Spud1 on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:00:35 PM PST

  •  The pill does not prevent implantation. (5+ / 0-)

    For the humpty-zillionth time, people--

    The drug packaging mentions the possibility based on some tissue studies that found differences in uterine lining in response to these synthetic hormones. Back in the day, the drug manufacturers wanted to give the impression that birth control pills were super-effective and worked by preventing pregnancy half a dozen different ways at once.

    Subsequent research has demonstrated that hormonal birth control has zero effect on implantation. None. Nada. If birth control could prevent implantation, it would work better. It would have a lower failure rate. This is not new research, either.

    Some of the best-designed research focused on single higher-dose administration of levonorgestrel following coitus, otherwise known as Plan B or the morning-after pill. Still no post-fertilization effects. Still doesn't prevent implantation.

    Quit repeating these lies. You're not helping.

  •  Scientific question, sincerely (0+ / 0-)

    I can understand where Santorum is coming from.
    People might be thrilled when an egg is fertilized and an embryo starts to grow.....but I have a serious question.

    Sometimes there are twins, even conjoined twins.
    Sometimes one of the conjoined twins fails to differentiate and grow properly. It becomes a 'parasite' part of the normal twin.

    Then what?

    I know of cases where the abnormal twin went undetected for many years, even being discovered only when tests were done on tumors that they became part of.

    I wish Santorum would watch more TV and learn more science. There have been amazing shows about conjoined twins, parasitic 'twins'......and surgeries that save the life of the stronger, normal twin.

    P.S. Question: What about the PRIVACY issue of Roe v Wade?

  •  after reading the news from Virginia (0+ / 0-)

    and Oklahoma, I feel such a visceral hatred for Republican polititicians that it scares me.  Republican politicians SUCK and the sooner alll (or at least 60%) of them are thrown out of office, the better.

    Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita mi ritrovai per una selva oscura..

    by GenuineRisk on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 08:49:45 PM PST

  •  OT, another view (2+ / 0-)
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    hoosierspud, annieli

    > There is a big controversy on the Jewish view of when life begins.
    > In Jewish tradition, the fetus is not considered viable until it  
    > graduates from medical school.

    (In a public forum like this I'd like to apologize to anyone who might be offended......It's a corny joke. Ask a rabbi about the actual Jewish view)

    •  Humor aside (0+ / 0-)

      and even the question of when life begins aside (Jewish tradition holds it is when the soul is imparted which fits squarely with Roe v. Wade's viability demarcation), the preeminence of the life of the mother over that of the fetus is unquestioned in Jewish Law.

      Should a Jewish woman die due to such rightwingnut legislation - which would be horrible in and of itself - I cannot fathom that an ensuing legal challenge to such a law could fail.

      Democracy is a contact sport...

      by jsmagid on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 07:07:20 PM PST

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  •  I have a question for Little Ricky. (2+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh, OldDragon

    If life begins at conception shouldn't all pregnant women have access to prenatal healthcare?  The infant mortality rate is so high in this country it could be considered genocide to some.

    No matter how cynical I get, I can't keep up these days--Lily Tomlin

    by hoosierspud on Fri Feb 17, 2012 at 09:07:46 PM PST

  •  Have personhood proponents thought this through? (0+ / 0-)

    If "personhood" becomes law, will persons be eligible to vote, buy liquor or obtain drivers licenses, for instance, nine months earlier?  Will they lose their protection as "minors" nine months sooner?  Will their eligibility for coverage under their parents' health care plans end nine months more quickly?  And which day will they celebrate their birthdays -- the inception date or the delivery date? When would persons become exemptions on their parents' tax forms?  Would tombstone sellers suddenly have more work, going back to recarve date-of-birth information on cemetery markers?  Would Christmas be moved to March 25th?  How would this change our depictions of Santa Claus and his wardrobe?  More clarification is needed before I would be willing to vote for personhood status changes.  

  •  My Mother and brother would not be here if there (1+ / 0-)
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    was a total ban on ending a pregnancy. My mother was pregnant while we were living in Sweden in the 50s. She had an ectopic pregnancy and needed emergency surgery. She lost one ovary but still had the other one and my youngest brother came after that. Without the freedom to treat a patient in whatever way is best for their well-being I would have lost both my mother and my youngest brother would never have been conceived and born either.

    I don't know how things were everywhere in the US at the time but I am pretty sure that the same medical procedures would have been employed... (but not sure if they would always have left the rest of the reproductive tract or not... a case by case decision but I do know that the US has often had "all or nothing" conservative approaches and full hysterectomies when partial or just a single "ovarectomy" along with removal of only one fallopian tube would have been more than medically appropriate)

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

    by IreGyre on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 04:45:52 AM PST

  •  Not quite true, about ectopic births... (1+ / 0-)
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    "The embryo can never develop into a live birth and the ectopic pregnancy must be ended or the tube will rupture and the woman will die."
    Your link on that is broken.  But, in fact, a VERY tiny percentage of ectopic pregnancies CAN result in live births. Few people are aware of these cases, and so abortion opponents will often say that "ending ectopic pregnancies is different because the fetus cannot survive." It can -- but (1) the likelihood is miniscule, and (2) ectopic pregnancies are NOT an exception -- women have the right to control their bodies and have the right to terminate ANY pregnancy!

    You can bet that, given the above info, the Crazies will ultimately be insisting that women MUST continue their pregnancies even when there is a 99.99% chance that both mother and fetus will die! It must be pointed out to more reasonable that ectopic exceptions change nothing.

    A man? A prisoner! A cage? Iron! Did Noriega care? No, sir! Panama!

    by Obama Amabo on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 06:14:47 AM PST

  •  I need a bunch of baby machines to come forward (0+ / 0-)

    so I don't have to face the moral dilemma of frustrated egg less sperm when I wank.  After all, if a fertilized egg is life then man jizz is half-life.

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