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Mitt Romney continues to position himself on the right
 
Mitt Romney on the trail yesterday in Idaho, which with 32 delegates actually will have more clout at the GOP convention than Michigan, which has 30:
"If you want a fiscal conservative, you can’t vote for Rick Santorum, because he’s not," Romney told the crowd. "He’s not a deficit hawk - he says he’s not a deficit hawk. I am, I’m a fiscal conservative."

Romney acknowledged Santorum's rise in the polls, saying it's a "very good thing" that Santorum is "getting his moment in the spotlight now" so people can take a closer look at his record.

He said the federal government doubled in size while Santorum was in office, also noting that Santorum "voted to raise the debt ceiling five different times" and "voted for billions of dollars of earmarks, including the Bridge to Nowhere."

On the surface, this is a laughable comment. Rick Santorum, thanks in large part to his "blah" rhetorical style, is hardly anyone's idea of a liberal. And conservatives are defending him on the merits against Mitt Romney's attack—there's no question but that it's a lame one.

Lame though it may be, however, don't forget that this is yet another example of how Mitt Romney has positioned himself on the far right of issue after issue during the campaign. Sure, he's been awkward as hell doing it—like when he labeled himself "severely conservative"—but that doesn't change the fact that he's repeatedly attacked his rivals as being too liberal. Some examples: Rick Perry on immigration, Newt Gingrich on Paul Ryan's plan, Gingrich on taxpayer funding for abortion, Rick Santorum on funding for Planned Parenthood, and Santorum again on fiscal policy. Earlier in the debate season, Romney came out against raising the debt limit—in favor of extending the hostage crisis—while even Rick Santorum said blocking the debt ceiling increase wasn't an option.

I think there's a tendency on the part of political observers, especially in the media, to cut Romney some slack on his march to the right; because of Romneycare, there's a sense that he isn't really as conservative as he says he is. But there's really no way to know if that's true, and even if it is true, wouldn't it mean that Romney is lying—and shouldn't that be an indictment of Romney's character? The reality is that with the narrow exception of his criticism of Rick Perry on Social Security and his rejection of Newt Gingrich's proposed elimination of the capital gains tax, Mitt Romney on virtually every single issue of Federal policy has staked out the most conservative position of any of the candidates running.

Again, Romney might not believe a word he's saying. But that doesn't change the fact that he's positioned himself as a right-wing candidate. And if he wins the nomination, it will be very important to hold him accountable for taking the positions he was forced to embrace to satisfy his political ambitions.

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      •  In other news (4+ / 0-)
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        maryabein, ER Doc, BobBlueMass, pademocrat

        general Franco is still dead.

      •  The Effect of a Brokered Convention (2+ / 0-)
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        ER Doc, RUKind

        The talk for the last couple of weeks has been the possibility - nay, the inevitability - of a brokered Republican convention, with Jeb Bush emerging as the hero who can inspire the party to beat President Obama.  I'm not a numbers kind of guy, but from reading the "experts," I see the possibility of such a deadlocked, and then brokered, convention happening.

        If that happens and the eventual nominee is anyone other than the people still in the race - Romney, Santorum, and even that wonder of morality Newt - then I predict it will be the end of the Republican Party.

        Why?

        Whether anyone outside the GOP likes it or not, and whether the Washington establishment Republicans like it or not, the current candidates are the ones who have thrown their hats in the ring, taken the risk, worked their butts off, and have stayed with it.

        But at the last minute, if the Establishment steps in and pushes a Jeb nomination (or, if you can keep from laughing, a Sarah! nomination), then that is tantamount to their saying to the heartland Republicans, "There, there.  You've had your fun.  Now, here is your nominee."  

        It would be exactly the same as when your mother made you put back the Captain Crunch and picked the Special K for you instead.  Maybe the Special K was better for me, but dammit, I wanted the Captain Crunch.  

        Bottom line is, if the current slate of candidates are who the Republican voters want, whether they are who the Washington people want or not, then the party elders should respect that.

        But let's say it is Jeb.  He will have an initial outpouring of enthusiasm and support.  But he won't have a campaign staff and structure.  He will have an outpouring of money from the fat cats.  But he won't have a coherent message on which to spend it.  He will have an outpouring of all the skeletons in his closet (and believe me, there are more than a few, I'm sure).  But he won't have the innoculation of those scandals that time and the primary process bring.

        He will have the Bush name.  I, personally, think Jeb is a smart guy and the antithesis of his brother, but the brand is damaged.  

        On the other hand, let's say it is Sarah!

        Bwahahahaha!  Laugh amongst yourselves.

        Demand Accountability.

        by stlawrence on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 10:51:13 AM PST

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      •  MittLiesMittLiesMottLiesMittLiesMittLies (0+ / 0-)

        Let me put it  this way: if his lips are moving...

        Romney will say whatever it takes and will temporarily stake out ANY position that will get him his 1144 or whatever the hell it is delegates.

        When he gets the nomination, he'll be back to the center before he finishes his acceptance speech.

        The guy is a congenital liar when it comes to politics.

        "He not busy being born is busy dying." R. Zimmerman

        by RUKind on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 06:18:20 PM PST

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  •  How does Idaho get more delegates than Michigan? (13+ / 0-)

    That confuses me.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:03:04 AM PST

    •  Probably due to the awarding of "bonus" delegates. (7+ / 0-)

      I don't know the exact details, but it's likely that a deep "red" state like Idaho gets more of these than Michigan, even though Michigan has a higher population.

      Or maybe some states lose delegates for not following some party guideline.

      ...To organise and teach, no doubt/ Is very good it's true/ But still we can't succeed without/ That good old wooden shoe. - Joe Hill

      by brae70 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:09:52 AM PST

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    •  I was going to ask Jed the same question (4+ / 0-)

      Michigan has 9 millions souls in need of saving by a Republican, godly candidate while Idaho, home of Ruby Ridge dear to survivalists and wingnuts and not a few Mormons, has but 1.5 million.

      Which leads to another thought: with all the caucuses and the few primaries we've seen on the Republican side, my question is this: do Republicans just not get this democracy thing?  Clearly a vote is much more democratic than a caucus which is just a bunch of people who decide to go for a drive and mill about in a big room.

      Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

      by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:13:44 AM PST

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    •  By Counting Potatos as 3/5ths of a Person? (11+ / 0-)

      I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

      by OnlyWords on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:14:00 AM PST

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    •  Actually a little of both. (7+ / 0-)

      Check out this delegate chart.

      ...To organise and teach, no doubt/ Is very good it's true/ But still we can't succeed without/ That good old wooden shoe. - Joe Hill

      by brae70 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:14:21 AM PST

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      •  How do they decide on "penalty" and "bonus" (3+ / 0-)
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        delegates?  Maryland has no bonus delegates.   Is that because our IQ is over 120 here?  Or is that the "penalty"?

        "Don't dream it, be it" - Brad, Janet and Frank

        by captainlaser on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:21:02 AM PST

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      •  WTF? OR gets 28 ID gets 32 (5+ / 0-)

        Oregon has 3.8 million residents and Idaho has 1.5 million. No penalties or bonus (whatever those are) involved?

        I really think Republicans only have a very vague notion of what a popular democracy is about.

        Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

        by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:29:12 AM PST

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        •  I believe the penalty is for (1+ / 0-)
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          going against a party rule. The Dems did this too in '08 (some states held primaries earlier than the party "window").  The bonus?  Who knows?

          ...To organise and teach, no doubt/ Is very good it's true/ But still we can't succeed without/ That good old wooden shoe. - Joe Hill

          by brae70 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:34:02 AM PST

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          •  But We (OR) Don't Gots No Penalty! (3+ / 0-)
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            And get this! South Dakota* (which I understand is someplace far to the east of me right now in the vast plains of middle America somewhere) get 4.75 delegates per resident to our 1!

            I tell ya', Republicans simply don't understand a popular democracy.

            * Population 810k vs. 3.8 million for Oregon...just b/c we're a blue state?

            Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

            by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:47:50 AM PST

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            •  I think you got it Terry. (3+ / 0-)
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              The formula is skewed in favor of the red states and against the blue states, which of course pulls them further right and makes it harder to win the blue states.  

              My own Massachusetts gets the 1 bonus vote, I guess, for electing Scott Brown.

              BTW, the Dems did something like this in the 60's to penalize the segregationist south by awarding more bonus votes to NY, MA etc.  Determine the result you want first, then figure out a formula that will reach it.

              ...To organise and teach, no doubt/ Is very good it's true/ But still we can't succeed without/ That good old wooden shoe. - Joe Hill

              by brae70 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 10:06:51 AM PST

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            •  It's a Left Coast thing (0+ / 0-)

              Blame it on the late Ken Kesey.

              "He not busy being born is busy dying." R. Zimmerman

              by RUKind on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 06:23:42 PM PST

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    •  It is the "really" white folk bounce. (7+ / 0-)

      They proportionate their delegates on the white to non-white ratio.   Idaho clearly wins.

      (/snark).

      "Don't dream it, be it" - Brad, Janet and Frank

      by captainlaser on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:18:20 AM PST

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    •  Michigan got penalized for going early! (2+ / 0-)
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      brae70, ER Doc

      Lost half their delegates -- Idaho may have gotten some bonus delegates for voting so heavily republicaqn as well.

    •  additional Aryan Nation Über-delegates /nt (2+ / 0-)
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      TerryDarc, ER Doc

      dangerous voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare."

      by annieli on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:33:56 AM PST

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    •  because Idaho (3+ / 0-)
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      does shit like declare in the constitution that marriage is between a man and a woman and refuses to add gay and transgender folks to the human rights act. We get bonus delegates for extremism.

      •  That and how very red that state has become... (4+ / 0-)
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        annieli, ER Doc, pademocrat, hulibow

        ...since Frank Church was in the senate. My thoughts exactly.

        Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

        by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:48:55 AM PST

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    •  Republican bonus delegates (4+ / 0-)
      Bonus Delegates
      President: States casting a majority of their 2008 Electoral Votes for the Republican Candidate receive 4.5 + 0.60 × the Jurisdiction's Total 2008 Electoral Vote in bonus delegates. Should the District of Columbia cast the majority of their electoral votes for the Republican Candidate, the District will receive 4.5 + (0.30 × 16) in bonus delegates. Round any fractions UP to the next whole number. [Rules 13(a)(5) and 13(a)(7)]
      U.S. Senate: Award 1 bonus delegate for each Republican Senator elected in the 6 year period between January 1, 2006 and December 31, 2011. Limit 2. [Rule 13(a)(6)]
      Governor States electing a Republican Governor between January 1, 2008 and December 31, 2011 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit: 1. [Rule 13(a)(5)(i)]
      U.S. House: States electing Republicans to 50% or more of their U.S. House seats between January 1, 2008 and December 31, 2011 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit 1. [Rule 13(a)(5)(ii)]
      One Chamber: States electing a Republican majority to one chamber of the state legislature (OR the legislature is presided over by a Republican) between January 1, 2008 and December 31, 2011 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit 1. [Rule 13(a)(5)(iii)]
      All Chambers: States electing a Republican majority to all chambers of the state legislature (OR all chambers are presided over by a Republican) between January 1, 2008 and December 31, 2011 receive 1 bonus delegate. Limit 1. [Rule 13(a)(5)(iv)]
      http://www.thegreenpapers.com/...

      Am I right, or am I right? - The Singing Detective

      by Clem Yeobright on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:44:45 AM PST

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      •  D delegations ALSO not strictly by population (1+ / 0-)
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        concernedamerican
        "The rules for the 2012 Democratic National Convention call for the following formula to be used in determining the allocation of delegate votes to each state and jurisdiction sending a delegation to the Convention:

        Each state plus the District of Columbia is to be assigned a number of Base delegate votes based on an "Allocation Factor" multiplied by 3,700 (the optimum minimum size of a Democratic National Convention as determined by the Democratic National Committee): a state's (or D.C.'s) "Allocation Factor" being a decimal fraction arrived at through a calculation involving the following factors-

        the state's (or D.C.'s) popular vote for the Democratic candidate for President in the three Presidential Elections just previous to the Convention (in this case: 2000, 2004, and 2008). This is the "State's Democratic Vote" [SDV].
        the total popular vote for the Democratic candidate for President in the three Presidential Elections just previous to the Convention. This is the "Total Democratic Vote" [TDV].
        the state's Electoral Vote [SEV] and
        the total Electoral Vote [TEV] (538)
        The formula for determining a given state's (or D.C.'s) "Allocation Factor" [AF] is:

        AF = ½ × ( ( SDV ÷ TDV ) + ( SEV ÷ 538 ) )
        [2012 Call for the Democratic Convention I.B.]

        The number of Base delegate votes assigned to a state is AF × 3,700.

        http://2012.democratic-convention.org/...

        Am I right, or am I right? - The Singing Detective

        by Clem Yeobright on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:51:40 AM PST

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    •  They count potato heads as people (1+ / 0-)
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      TheOrchid

      in Idaho.  They agree 100% with the party line.

      Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

      by Kayakbiker on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:45:44 AM PST

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    •  Spuds are counted in the population. -eom- (0+ / 0-)

      We reach for the stars with shaking hands in bare-knuckle times.

      by TheOrchid on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:47:06 AM PST

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    •  Punishment (1+ / 0-)
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      concernedamerican

      From our friends at Wiki:

      The 2012 Michigan Republican primary will take place on February 28, 2012,[1] Michigan was given 59 delegates to the GOP national convention, but this number was reduced to 30 as a penalty for bringing election date forward before 6th March as the GOP rules set.[2] The candidate with the greatest number of votes in each of the 14 Congressional Districts will receive two delegates. The two remaining delegates will be given proportionally.
      Not sure how they'll proportion two delegates. But that's not my problem.

      Democrats are not always right, but Republicans are insane.

      by BobBlueMass on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 01:58:08 PM PST

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  •  Mitt, stop. Just stop. (13+ / 0-)

    You're just not good at this kind of thing. No one buys it and it makes you look like the pathetic, craven, pandering liar you are.

    •  yeah, he's really not very good at it, is he? (7+ / 0-)

      it's sort of sad and strange.

      but when you think of it, this is a guy who's never been around people. Mitt is the aristocratic version of the "boy who was raised by wolves". He grew up rich and sheltered and only associated with those in that strata. He joined a religion that is very exclusionary and isolationist. He went to upper eschelon universities and college and then started out in business at the CEO/Owner level.

      When would he ever have had a chance to know what real life is like, even among the upper middle class, much less anything else?

      I get the sense that much of what Mitt sees on the campaign trail is literally his first time seeing any of it. He's in his 60s. Think about that. You're 60-something when you visit a diner for the first time. You're 60-something when you see an actual time clock. You're 60-something when you witness someone on your staff using an ATM card. You're 60-something when you realize that people park their own cars and walk to their destination.  Imagine all things that would be new to you if suddenly you were plopped into his world. And reverse it. And then imagine trying to run for president in the middle of all that.

      No wonder the guy always seems off kilter.

      He is.

      He's like a wolfboy brought into a 2500 square foot modern home.

      I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

      by mdmslle on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:22:06 AM PST

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      •  Great comment! (0+ / 0-)
        Mitt is the aristocratic version of the "boy who was raised by wolves".
        But I don't know; "wolves" sound a little rugged for Mitt. Maybe the "boy raised by poodles"? Maybe shar peis? Or those little toy dogs that wear sweaters and booties and get carried in purses?  

        -5.12, -5.23

        We are men of action; lies do not become us.

        by ER Doc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 01:03:46 PM PST

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    •  I get the frustration (3+ / 0-)
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      mdmslle, vcmvo2, ER Doc

      But Mitt, don't stop.  You have to prove you're way far over there on the right, at the point where if you move any further you'll fall off the flat Earth.

      And you have to do it until all your competition is gone, so at least March.  And do it loudly, publicly, and in every single ad.  You'd completely disappoint the right wing if you don't!

      Then we'll see how those ads play in the general election when the Democrats use them.

      (-6.25, -6.77) Moderate left, moderate libertarian

      by Lonely Liberal in PA on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:22:47 AM PST

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  •  That sure is a big ol' teabag (10+ / 0-)

    on there Romney's forehead. I wonder how many Teabaggers have lost thier jobs because of Romney's predatory business practices.

    No Jesus, Know Peace

    by plok on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:07:53 AM PST

    •  When They Get Done Clinging (2+ / 0-)
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      Samer, ER Doc

      To their guns and religion, they'll surely all rush to the polls to vote for the severe conservative. What on earth IS a severe conservative anyway?

      Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

      by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:20:40 AM PST

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  •  Classic Rove tactic. Attack opponents strength, (8+ / 0-)

    Ignore reality and repeat lies.

    •  true enough. but i'm wondering (2+ / 0-)
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      vcmvo2, ER Doc

      what if we did the same thing? Then I asked myself: what id Mitt's strength that we could attack in a Rove-style move?

      I couldn't think of any. Seriously.

      So, I guess we're just left with the truth about him.

      I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

      by mdmslle on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:30:22 AM PST

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      •  Very, very tough (0+ / 0-)

        To attack Mitt's strengths I'd say: lying like rug, pandering, flopping like a flounder, but he DOES have very nice hair.  Maybe that's it.

        Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

        by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:51:51 AM PST

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  •  Mitts a Classic CorporaCon... (7+ / 0-)

    Conservatism is political cover because it's the political path of least resistance and most help when destroying and raping companies for your personal profit.  

    Sadly, you are correct, if Mitt gets elected he'll have to reward the Conservative nut jobs that helped put him in office....much like Bush and the Neo-Nuts.  But his real mission will be dismantling whats left of the public commons and handing it over to private sector cronies for their personal profit.  

    When Republicans Win You Lose

    by workinguy on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:09:08 AM PST

  •  'Hold Romney accountable'............pardon....... (3+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen, JeffW, ER Doc

    BWAAAAHHAAAAAHAHAAAHAAAHAA!!.......sorry....you were saying.....;-)

  •  To the tune "Yankee Doodle" (19+ / 0-)

    Old Mitt Romney went to town
    All he said was phony
    Stuck a teabag in his hat
    And spouted more baloney

    "What profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" Paul 8:36

    From the Gospel of St. Ron Paul in the Teachings and Misunderstandings of the Words of Adam Smith

    by ontheleftcoast on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:11:54 AM PST

  •  Mittens on Ronald Reagan: "Too Liberal" (8+ / 0-)

    (R)money is starting to remind me of Clarence Thomas -  Taking totally absurd positions in order to ingratiate himself to people who would otherwise HATE him.

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:12:39 AM PST

  •  Romney just flat out lies. And he's totally OK (6+ / 0-)

    with that.

    I expect politicians to spin. I expect them to ignore inconvenient facts and buttress others. BUt honestly it seems like Romney just believes saying it makes it so. Or something.

    Is ANYBODY buying that Santorum isn't a conservative? OK ok, he hedged it with "fiscal" but is Mitt Romney, the guy who ran MA in a much more liberal way than any blue dog governor in a midwestern state would have, is he really going with "I'm the conservative between the two of us"? Really?

    Gawd. His campaign team is awful.

    the smart move, the smart argument would've been to emphasize that only he has the ability to "appear" (wink wink) moderate (wink wink) in a general election and grab the moderate and indie voters ANY presidential contender has to woo to win. That if they (the voters) were serious about beating the islamomarxifascistalikenyan usurper out of a second apocalyptic term, that he (romney) is the only real choice.

    But he and his team are amateurs. I look forward to meeting (and beating to a pulp) them in the general election.

    I've become re-radicalized. Thanks a lot you bunch of oligarchical fascist sons-of-bitches. But once again, I have no choice. Bring it the fuck on.

    by mdmslle on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:15:13 AM PST

  •  Is there a special place for the (5+ / 0-)
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    severely conservative?

    Is there -

    -   A place for those who don't know the difference between a corporation, a uterine cluster, and a person.

    -   A place for those who will fight to the death so a poor person won't get a undeserved bite of food, bit of roof, scrap of clothing or any healing at all.

    Where do the severely conservative belong?

    . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

    by 88kathy on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:15:46 AM PST

  •  Mitt Promising That 35% Cut In Social Security? (9+ / 0-)

    Go for it.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:15:50 AM PST

  •  Liar or Fanatic: Disqualified either way (6+ / 0-)

    You bring up the salient point.

    If he is telling the truth, then he is a man who will not govern and who will destroy the civil operation of the government. If he is lying, then he is an explicit and clear liar who could not be President for being utterly unpredictable and untrustworthy at all times.

    It reminds me of Clarence Thomas saying that, when he was in law school and Roe was decided, he never formed an opinion of the decision or discussed it with anyone. If he was telling the truth, he was too stupid to be a SC justice, and if he wasn't telling the truth, he was committing a felony by perjury before Congress.

    Mitt is doing the same: truth or lie damn him.

    Every reductio ad absurdum will seem like a good idea to some fool or another.

    by The Geogre on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:16:13 AM PST

  •  You think Attila the Hun is Conservative? (6+ / 0-)

    Attila lets about 5% of the population he conquers survive.  If I were elected Emperor, no one would survive.  I'm the true conservative in this race.

    Mitt Romney.

    "Don't dream it, be it" - Brad, Janet and Frank

    by captainlaser on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:16:57 AM PST

  •  He's severely dim, Jed! n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    Lonely Liberal in PA, vcmvo2, ER Doc

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:18:46 AM PST

  •  The O-team are really screwing things for Rmoney (0+ / 0-)

    think about it they have help shift battlefield from the economy to social area, to religion and tribal identity of Catholics ....who does this serve .Rick "frothy" St.-rectum.

    The O-team is helping Rick by digging out dirt on Romney and then releasing it the latest is the fact that Rmoney supported Wall St. bail-out and asked for a Bail-out of the Salt Lake Olympics ..but is criticizing R-ectum for asking for earmarks.

    /If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer/. Thoreau

    by hron on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:19:40 AM PST

    •  Rectum? (2+ / 0-)
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      hron, BobBlueMass

      Damn near killed 'em.

      Punch line to very old joke.

      Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

      by TerryDarc on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 10:01:23 AM PST

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  •  Hmmm... according to VoteView (4+ / 0-)
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    in the 108th Senate, Santorum was ranked 70, where 1 is most liberal. In the 109th senate he was 64th

    •  That says Sarbanes is 50% more "liberal" as (1+ / 0-)
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      hannah

      Santorum is "conservative".

      What this tells me is that 0.0 is pretty damn conservative.

      What's the difference plf between "nuts", "fucking nuts", and "severely nuts" on this scale.

      "Don't dream it, be it" - Brad, Janet and Frank

      by captainlaser on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:29:51 AM PST

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      •  You can't really take percentages (0+ / 0-)

        of this sort of scale.

        Looked at as a rank, clearly percentages are not good. But even the ratings (which are just to the right of the names) aren't analyzable this way. They are interval level, not ratio level variables.  Like temperature in degrees F or C - when it's 70 degrees it's not twice as hot as when it's 35.

        You could look at the Progressive Punch scores the way you want, as they are percentages of the time that a person voted the progressive way.

  •  The Republicans are going to hate "democracy" (4+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, mdmslle, xxdr zombiexx, pademocrat

    when Santorum ends up with an overwhelming number of votes out of these primaries on March 5.   The core of the Republican Party is going to get very scared that the teabagger takeover is complete.

    "Don't dream it, be it" - Brad, Janet and Frank

    by captainlaser on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:22:58 AM PST

  •  Mitt says so many (2+ / 0-)
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    different things that even he doesn't know what he really thinks.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:32:49 AM PST

  •  liberal suicide vest vs. RW suicide vest (4+ / 0-)
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    Samer, TerryDarc, oldcrow, ER Doc

    dangerous voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare."

    by annieli on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:37:43 AM PST

  •  Right. (1+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc

    Willard lied; he's disqualified.

    People to Wall Street: "LET OUR MONEY GO"

    by hannah on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:46:44 AM PST

  •  The post I wrote/posted today (1+ / 0-)
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    annieli

    Operation Modern America is directly aimed at this Santorum-RMoney battle.

    Riffing off of Kos's 'less-than popular" "Operation Hilarity" (which Kos dropped as soon as I supported the idea) I posted what I am certain is a much better, less "democracy subverting" plan to agitate the daylights out of republicans and cause they to alienate themselves EVEN FURTHER from Americans.

    It is doubly related in that Perry (R-Historical) and Santorum (R - 12th Century) have sparred over the issue, each trying to out froth the other one on the topic, as Republicans are wont to do.

    In that post Santorum says something that is exactly what I mean by my Operation Modern America and I lay out a very simple, free plan to maximze the damage that can be done.

    While STRENGTHENING democracy and the rule of law.

    #occupywallstreet: Although I know the rhythm you'd prefer me dancing to, I'll turn my revolt into style.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:48:07 AM PST

  •  as crazy as republican primary goers are (1+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc

    does anyone else think that if Romney had just went in, been honest about where he stood, but said he's still a better alternative to Obama, that at the very worst, he wouldn't be in any worse position than he is now, might even be slightly better, and would CERTAINLY be better positioned for the GE should he make there?

    •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

      Considering that all that pandering and posing got him few votes and destroyed his integrity, I would say oh hell yes.

      A fiscal conservative business oriented social moderate Mitt would probably pull the same votes as Make It Up Mitt. And far more dangerous in the general.

      He should have run against the crazies instead of trying to outcrazy them.

      Democrats are not always right, but Republicans are insane.

      by BobBlueMass on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 02:10:07 PM PST

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  •  If Romney is so concerned (1+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2

    about the deficit, why does he sit around paying a mere 13% on $20 million in unearned income? You'd think that if deficits were so bad, and if he were truly public-spirited enough to wish to serve his country, he could step up and help reduce that deficit on his own dime, not to mention asking, let alone requiring, his fellow .01%ers to do the same.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 10:01:15 AM PST

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