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Bottom line:  in order to run for Congressman, Paul Babeu had to hide he was gay....

Why is that?

Why.... is.... that?


Here you have a good man, good enough to run for Congress, who for reasons beyond his control prefers a long term relationship with someone his same gender, and if he is to run, he has to pretend he is not gay?... Even to the point of "deporting" his former friend?

Why does someone so esteemed in society; someone who spoke before CPAC last week; someone on the front of the immigration war;  someone whose image is right next to John McCain's, for heavens sake, surely one of the best human beings that  Arizona has to offer.....

Why does he have to hide the biggest part of who he is?

Perhaps you don't see how huge this is?

We have a conservative, anti immigration sheriff, in a very conservative town, in a very conservative state, who was about to embark upon the career of his life.... who had all the qualifications, who had all the support.....  IN OTHER WORDS HE WAS JUST AN AVERAGE NORMAL CANDIDATE..... except for the fact that he was gay...

While no one knew he was gay..... he was a hero... a leader.... a person looked up to?...

Point is;  being gay makes not one bit of difference... If you are considered one way because you keep your gayness hidden, and then considered another way because it has come out, then the problem is obviously NOT WITH YOU....

So you have a normal guy, who, after his gayness comes out is.... still a normal guy.... it proves all those detractors who oppose any equality for gays.... WRONG...

If you don't believe gays are people... you are wrong.
If you believe gays have something wrong with them, you are wrong.
If you believe gays are liberal commie pinko's... you are wrong.
If you think gays can't hold or shoot a gun.... you are wrong.
If you think gays aren't Christian enough.... you are wrong.
If you think gays can't be real men.... you are wrong.
If you think gays are sinners..... you are wrong.
Obviously there is nothing wrong with gays... Paul Babeau cuts that argument down forever....

From this point on... no conservative can say there is something wrong with gays.. (listening Gov. Perry?) and get away with it...

Because the truth is: there is nothing wrong with gays.. There is something very deeply, sickly wrong with a party that is... anti gay.....

Paul Babeau proves the Republican party is full of hypocrites. For it was only for the fact that he felt he had to hide who he was for his party of fake people, that forced his hand to threaten his ex to stay quiet....

Damn shame, he couldn't have just let it all hang out..... and still run as a "so-what" Republican in high esteem.....

There is nothing wrong with Paul.. There is something wrong with Republicans.... 'Cause Paul Babeu just proved it......

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  •  Which AZ Congressman does your title refer to? (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm very confused.

    Am I right, or am I right? - The Singing Detective

    by Clem Yeobright on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 05:31:11 PM PST

  •  True Dat!!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    Dave in Northridge

    His choice should not make any difference but Arizonia is not the most tolerant area.

    However he is toast in the Ruby Red Republican district he is running in and probably lost his job over coming out.


    Until we exercise our community power, we will be slaves and serfs to the republican thugs!!!!

    by bglv on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 05:36:35 PM PST

  •  No, there is something wrong w/him (0+ / 0-)

    he's a self loathing hypocritical  monster!!

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 05:37:20 PM PST

  •  I watched his press conference. (3+ / 0-)

    I was impressed. I don't think he was at fault, other than two major misjudgments:

    1) Letting his lover be a part of his campaign machinery, in fact hold the levers of that machinery, as it were. Love does make some of us do stupid things, that's for sure.

    2) Using a Republican lawyer who is involved in his campaign to communicate with the ex-lover. Also not good, but how was he to know the lawyer would do something so foolish? I have also relied upon idiot lawyers and gotten screwed.

    New politicians do make mistakes.

    But I really don't get his anti-immigrant stance. I'd like to talk to him about that. He sees it as a law enforcement matter, but now he wants to be a politician. Politicians aren't law enforcement, they're law creators. I don't think he's come to grips with that, or with his conflict between what he believes about America and its freedoms and how he enforces unjust laws.

    He obviously thinks that Arizona's anti-gay marriage law is unjust. He just hasn't thought the rest of it through. He does seem like a bright guy, just uneducated. With the right counseling, he might make a good Democrat. One never knows.

    So will he be drummed out of local politics? Lose the election and the Sheriff's badge, too? It'll be interesting to watch his evolution.

    People wish to be settled, only as far as they are unsettled is there any hope for them. - Emerson

    by CarbonFiberBoy on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 05:53:56 PM PST

    •  A better bet (0+ / 0-)

      would for gays not to let this opportunity pass...

      All across America, people they should be saying....

      "See, there is nothing wrong with being gay"  That message could resonate across America even right through the red states..." especially with the gay bashing of Santorum, Perry, and Bachmann in recent memory.  

      What better way than to have America put this issue to rest, than vote overwhelmingly in November against the Republican party?  

      That line needs to get on Ellen tomorrow........

      •  I'd sort of like to see DKos embrace Babeu (0+ / 0-)

        but I don't know enough about him politically. Nor do I know if his deportation threat was real or was fabricated/embellished by his ex-lover. That raises a legal specter that doesn't warrant his support. Babeu does seem to have some poster child appeal.

        •  Embrace Babeau? (2+ / 0-)
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          FG, kurt

          This site threw Weiner overboard.

          Embrace a guy who trawls for anonymous sex on the internet, posting nekkid pictures of himself on the web and egotistically showing off his jimmy to the world?

          That's even after giving him a pass on the allegations of using his badge to engage in virtual sex slavery.

          "I never met a man I didn't like." Will Rogers - American Redneck

          by chuco35 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 08:50:54 PM PST

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      •  I missed this tidbit - he's also a veteran (1+ / 0-)
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        Yesterday, a tabloid article made a number of false allegations about me. Only one was true: I’m gay. Today, I held a press conference to discuss this. I want to be judged on my service: 20 years in the military, two deployments – including one in Iraq, a police officer who has responded to thousands of calls for help, and a Sheriff who has cut response times while reducing my own budget. I hope you will stand with me as we talk about the issues that matter: securing our border and ending the record debt and deficit spending that is stalling our economy and bankrupting the country we all love
  •  He's toast (1+ / 0-)
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    If you haven't noticed, anyone who isn't outright antediluvean in Arizona can't win a Republican primary, especially in a district as red as the 4th is.  Jim Kolbe was a fluke because he had been in Congress for a long time before he came out.

    All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 06:18:45 PM PST

    •  Times are a changing. (1+ / 0-)
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      He should run anyway to prove it....

      So far no one who has comment on this lives in his county.  We are basing all opinions on the words of Santorum, (incidentally a very dangerous thing to do.... )

    •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

      I can see him ultimately playing the conservative victim card by saying he was outed by a left wing conspiracy simply because he was tough on immigration. And I could see Andrew Brietbart using him as his anti-outing poster boy.

    •  hiding = shame = character flaw. (0+ / 0-)

      voters coud actually have supported him if he just said it up front.

      but because he hid it, and what was found (those topless bullet photos), that pulled that plug.

      there are enough independents and democrats in AZ that he could have run as an out whatever party guy.

      •  I do not think it is that bad of a flaw (0+ / 0-)

        at least this early...   Anyone running for Congress would try to contain damage before attempting a run...

        And do we know how the threat was uttered?  Could the ex be twisting things a little too, to drum up his support?

        He has time, ... make the run.... full steam ahead I say.....

        And I for one, am sick of dismissing an elected official for a character flaw...  We all have flaws.  Someone who has escaped so far by being perfect, has done so by 1)  either being a complete dud of a person, or 2), just been lucky so far....

        Having a flaw or two in my past has actually made be a better human being than back when I thought I was more perfect than Adam before the fall......  :)

        •  I don't think it's a flaw either. (0+ / 0-)

          some voters would well understand his reluctance to bring it up, especially with the state of the GOP today. and I would expect those people to forgive his reticence.

          but as noted, here he is supporting a presidential candidate who has flipped and flopped on gay support. his resignation is due to the hypocrisy, rather than any wild claim from an unhappy ex. (and I have known some pissy queens! watch them nails, folks.)

  •  AFAIK he didn't particularly try to hide the fact (2+ / 0-)
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    buddabelly, kurt

    that he's gay.  According to D. A. Morales, it wasn't much of a secret:

    The problem with Babeau isn't his sexual orientation, it's the fact that he's anti-immigrant, he's a bit too cozy with white supremacists and he repeated a big fat lie about his deputy getting shot at in the desert:

    'Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that Government is best which is most indifferent.' -- F. D. Roosevelt

    by LandruBek on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 06:21:32 PM PST

    •  Thanks for the dig.... (0+ / 0-)

      Interesting.. did not know his gayness was already out in the open...

      That counters a lot of comments on this thread that say Arizona was not gay ready...

      Apparently it is, if your statement is correct, further ahead of the curve than Bachmann/Perry?Santorum.....

      •  arizona is pretty well gay friendly, the fact he's (2+ / 0-)
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        gay won't have any bearing on his sheriffs position...the district he's running in is one of the most heavily republican in the state so it might be an issue in the primary but the much bigger issue would be a undocumented long term boyfriend after the way he demagogues the UDA situation here....

        plus Pinal, his county isn't even  border county.....that's us Pima......

        Both Tucson and Phx have large thriving gay communities and there's lots of gay people out here in the boonies too...I can think of a bunch of couples in my hood including 2 people who transitioned completely out with very minimal problems....It's more live and let live here than the area of L.A. I grew up in......

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 07:18:27 PM PST

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        •  Is there a way he can rationalize having (1+ / 0-)
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          an illegal for a personal acquaintance and his stance on immigration?

          Or perhaps, use it to turn the corner of the immigration issue, perhaps by saying if you have a " supporter" you can stay?

          It appears, like he had a crises where two philosophies collided.  One his personal love for a "criminal"  against what he'd always believed, that if now legal, then back you go....

          •  I don't see how considering his rabid (1+ / 0-)
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            anti "illegal alien" hating base...

            Had he taken a different path from the start he might have been an up and coming Democratic politician but he didn't...

            Some of the stuff he's promoted and the people he's played with are the absolute worst of the worst in that crowd...

            It's unfortunate as other than his apparent bigotry towards brown people, at least in public privately obviously it's different, he has a good record....As you say, it will be great to use to smack down an anti gay goper but....

            If he can get past the UDA issue, supposedly he claims he thought his lover was a legal resident, if the base buys that or the facts bear out his point, then I think he could easily still be elected to congress...

            Matt Heinz is also openly gay and running for CD2 in Nov and has a good chance unless his friendship with Babeau trips him up.....that was the tidbit on page 4 of the new times story....

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 08:05:37 PM PST

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        •  What About The adam4adam Stuff? (1+ / 0-)
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          How will his photos on the internet play in the district? Will they forgive that he cruised for gay sex on the internet?

          "I never met a man I didn't like." Will Rogers - American Redneck

          by chuco35 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 08:55:47 PM PST

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          •  that's closer to pushing it but if I heard correct (0+ / 0-)

            he's claiming he set the pics to his lover and his lover posted them to screw with him...His lover cclaims he was being cheated on and found out by finding the ad and setting up a meting under a fake name....

            Hard to say but it could get ugly or go easy.....

            Depends on how much the anti immigrant base will take...

            I justr read that his lover had a visa and was legal...It all comes down to can it be proven he did threaten the guy...If he did and there's any real proof that Paul himself threatened him that would be it...

            Now if it's just the lawyer mouthing threats then Babau might come out of this fine....Too soon to tell but the final result won't hang on his sexuality rather the abuse of power.....

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Sat Feb 18, 2012 at 09:32:39 PM PST

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  •  "law and order" Republican gay guy (1+ / 0-)
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    On his facebook page he "likes" NRA News, Darrel Issa, Mitt Romney..but no matter how hard he tries to look like, sound like, act like a conservative Republican..he will be rejected/denounced by them just because he prefers dudes.

    "You can see what they're trying to hide by the way they try to hide it."

    •  why is it that only (0+ / 0-)

      gay republicans are making all the news?

      The Republican Party appears to be so full of them. I'm wondering which of their flip-flopping candidates will be the first to say, ... he is gay....

      (I had my bets on Perry.... yes, it WAS the jacket.....)  

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