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Tonight's piece is a co-production of NY Brit Expat and Geminijen. What Geminijen and I decided we wanted to do was to allow women to speak for themselves, so we reproduced some quotes from these women. We wanted to discuss not only women that were known as leaders or that were heralded during their times; we also want to remind people of the voices of those who fought on the shop-floors, those that became “leaders” due to circumstance. Their actions and speeches inspired and moved others and they are still relevant today.
International Women's Day (8 March) was originally a socialist holiday established in 1911 by the Socialist International and is celebrated by women's groups around the world. In many countries, it is a national holiday and has recently been officially recognized by the United Nations.

However, up until the 1970's, with the advent of a new women's movement, the radical working class roots of IWD had been practically forgotten. Due to its socialist leaning, it was excised from the United States memory, much as Labor Day replaced May Day, except in small immigrant enclaves or radical union groups.  In Europe and the rest of the world, it continued to be widely celebrated, but tended to honour women in name only, mostly with flowers or by simply putting a woman's face on a male agenda. IWD, in fact, was the culmination of a century of women working in the labour, feminist, socialist, and anti-slavery and segregation movements to bring together the common interests of the working class and women's rights advocates.

Four major trends led to the establishment of IWD. The first was a revolutionary fervour in Europe and the United States toward socialism, democratization and the vote.  In Europe it was exemplified by a movement for working class men without property seeking the vote to further a socialist government, paralleled by a movement for middle class women to get the vote.  This situation was mirrored in the United States by the struggle to gain the vote for black men and white women. The contradictions between these two types of suffrage movements were evident (should we fight for the non-propertied or black men to get the vote, even if women were excluded?).  The solution, of course, was to get the vote for both groups. Clara Zetkin was among the early socialists to see working class women as the driving force towards universal suffrage (everyone gets the vote independent of property qualifications to which it had been historically tied) since they bridged the divide, yet retain the principle of a revolutionary socialist agenda.  

It was Clara Zetkin who advocated for the merging of the working class socialist movement and women's movement through the establishment of International Women's Day as a way to forward the goals of both labour and women. The first clear victories in which the leadership of working class women following the establishment of IWD were the organization of the textile workers and women's suffrage in the United States and the Russian Revolution in 1917 which began with a massive strike by women textile workers in Petrograde (St. Petersburg) on International Women's Day against both the orders of the Unions and left-wing political parties. The strikes lit the match of a country on the verge; they doubled in size to 200,000 workers and over the next few days, 66,000 men of the local army garrison joined forces with the strikers. The February Russian revolution began and the Tsar was forced to abdicate (http://www.marxists.org/...).

The second important factor was the increased numbers of women in the labour movement, particularly in the textile industry, as more and more women were pulled into factories and out of homes with the rise of industrial capitalism.  Their struggle to free themselves from the patriarchal home and obtain decent work conditions in the marketplace instead of being viewed as cheap labour is exemplified in the call for both "bread and roses." The textile strikes beginning in 1857 and the massive strikes between 1908 and 1915 were the activist expression of women's struggle for power. This was especially true after the horror of the Triangle Shirtwaist factory strike where mostly women workers, but also children and a few men were killed in a  in a sweatshop fire.
While initially the feminist movement focused on human rights issues for women such as suffrage,  many of the women felt allied to working class struggles for decent wages and rights and took up the call that freedom and equality for one group meant freedom and equality for all.

While the anti-slavery movement seems distinct, the end of slavery pushed all workers, black and white into the same labor struggle as wage laborers.  Once this occurred, it was up to antiracist groups to fight for equality within the labor movement.  This, of course, always raised the question of equality for the other major group excluded from equality in the labor force -- women.

These movements, occurring in a short period between the end of the civil war and the end of WW1, provided the activist and theoretical base to try to unite diverse groups into the revolutionary struggle.  The formation of IWD was an explicit effort to unite the interests and theories of women and male labor (including workers of color that was implied in the socialist agenda) under a Revolutionary Socialist agenda in support of universal suffrage and economic equality.

The following excerpts (which we hope you will read, view, sing-along- with, explore and enjoy) are just a sampling of some of the actions and words of some prominent working women and movements.

We need to go back to the rise of the post-Civil War labour movement and the first wave of feminism to see the inevitable class contradictions that arose between women of the bourgeoisie and women of the working class. The differences in approach are obvious when we look at the issues. Bourgeois women advocating women’s suffrage linked it to property qualifications and argued that women as a group should be enfranchised without looking at how this left blacks and many propertyless workers without the vote (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/...).  The birth control movement also wound up linking to eugenics groups that were aligned to repugnant issues targeting the poor and people of colour.
To win equality for all people, women of the left argued that the economic and social exploitation endemic to the capitalist system be eliminated by the triumph of socialism. While suffrage and access to birth control were clearly important reform issues, they would not in and of itself enable all women’s, or for that matter, all people's equality. . However when reformist men chose to limit their call for the vote to blacks and propertyless working men --forgetting that this still excluded women--the dynamics shifted and the call for socialists to specifically include women in their demand for the vote was born.

 “Sojourner Truth" (1797-1883):

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“Well, children, where there is so much racket there must be something out of kilter. I think that 'twixt the negroes of the South and the women at the North, all talking about rights, the white men will be in a fix pretty soon. But what's all this here talking about?
That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man - when I could get it - and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?
Then they talk about this thing in the head; what's this they call it? [member of audience whispers, "intellect"] That's it, honey. What's that got to do with women's rights or negroes' rights? If my cup won't hold but a pint, and yours holds a quart, wouldn't you be mean not to let me have my little half measure full?
Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.
If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back, and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them.
Obliged to you for hearing me, and now old Sojourner ain't got nothing more to say (http://www.fordham.edu/...).”
There has been some debate as to whether or not Sojourner Truth actually said the words "Ain't I a woman" as the speech was reconstructed. For balance we are including the original 1851 report by Marcus Robinson, although the words "ain't I am woman" are not there, the content of the speech clearly says this without using the words. Alice Walker prefers the original speech above and we are keeping it. Essentially, the controversy is over a resource written by a guy in a newspaper that was one month after the event vs. an informal report by a woman who was at the event.  Which resource is more legitimate?  Since sources from the side of the oppressed are always both "stronger" -less polite- and de-legitimatized, we am opting for the female on the spot source vs. the male resource with (as the article shows) a specific agenda in terms of tone.

Harriot Stanton Blatch recalled how as a 10-year-old, she once read the morning papers to visiting SOJOURNA TRUTH as she smoked her pipe. Young Blatch asked, "Sojourner, can't you read?" To which Truth answered, "Oh no, honey, I can't read little things like letters. I read big things like men." Born a slave named Isabella, Sojourna bore at least 5 children, 2 girls sold from her, won her son back form Alabama slaveholder, worked as a cook, maid and laundress in New York City, illiterate, preached against prostitution 1830, a mystic, chose name 1843, preached throughout Long Island and Connecticut, at abolitionist meetings, spoke at women's rights meetings in 1850s, and is remembered for her dramatic "Ain't I a Woman?" speech delivered at the Women's convention in Akron, Ohio in 1851.

I. Labour and Organising:

Early 20th century US labour history and its relation to international women’s day:

MARY HARRIS “MOTHER” JONES(1837-1930)
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"A lady is the last thing on earth I want to be.  Capitalists side-track the women into clubs and make ladies of them.”
 “No matter what the fight, don’t be ladylike! God almighty made women and the Rockefeller gang of thieves made the ladies.”
Labor organizer Mother Jones worked tirelessly for economic justice.  While her opponents called her the “most dangerous woman in America,” fellow organizer Elizabeth Gurley Flynn called Jones “the greatest woman agitator of our times.”  Jones combined dynamic speaking skills and radical organizing methods to mobilize thousands of laborers and working-class families.  She said of herself,
“I’m not a humanitarian; I’m a hell-raiser.”
Mother Jones' organizing methods were unique for her time. She welcomed African American workers and involved women and children in strikes. She organized miners’ wives into teams armed with mops and brooms to guard the mines against scabs. She staged parades with children carrying signs that read, "We Want to Go to School and Not to the Mines."

Here is a short video on the life of Mother Jones:

Mary Harris "Mother" Jones was born in Cork, Ireland, moved to the United States in the 1840s, where her father worked in railroad construction.  Mary became a teacher after trying her hand at dressmaking. In 1861 married a member of Iron Molders’ Union in Memphis.  Six years later, she lost her husband and four young children to a yellow fever epidemic, and returned to Chicago to open a seamstress shop.  After losing all her possessions in the great Chicago fire of 1871, Jones sought community in the Knights of Labor.   She reconstructed herself as “Mother” Jones, radical organizer.  Five-feet tall with snow-white hair, all black dress and confrontational style, Jones was indeed a fierce maternal presence.

From the late 1870s through the early 1920s, Jones participated in hundreds of strikes across the country.  Living by the philosophy, “wherever there is a fight,” she supported workers in the railroad, steel, copper, brewing, textile, and mining industries. In 1903 she organized children textile workers to march on President Roosevelt’s home (http://en.wikipedia.org/...).

Mary, like many working class women, saw the suffrage movement as an upper class women’s distraction, saying,

“the plutocrats have organized their women.  They keep them busy with suffrage and prohibition and charity.”

 Although she was suspicious of feminists, her courage and organizing were part of the struggle that informed International Women's Day and deserves to be remembered on this day if for no other reason that the preceding cautionary quotes.

Lucy Parsons (born c. 1853 – March 7, 1942)
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From her (1905) speech to the IWW:

“We, the women of this country, have no ballot even if we wished to use it, and the only way that we can be represented is to take a man to represent us. You men have made such a mess of it in representing us that we have not much confidence in asking you . . .
We [women] are the slaves of slaves. We are exploited more ruthlessly than men. Whenever wages are to be reduced the capitalist class use women to reduce them, and if there is anything that you men should do in the future it is to organize the women. . . .
Now, what do we mean when we say revolutionary Socialist?
We mean that the land shall belong to the landless, the tools to the toiler, and the products to the producers. [. . .] I believe that if every man and every woman who works, or who toils in the mines, mills, the workshops, the fields, the factories and the farms of our broad America should decide in their minds that they shall have that which of right belongs to them, and that no idler shall live upon their toil . . . then there is no army that is large enough to overcome you, for you yourselves constitute the army . . . .
My conception of the strike of the future is not to strike and go out and starve, but to strike and remain in and take possession of the necessary property of production […].” (http://www.lucyparsonsproject.org/...).
Lucy Parsons was a founding member of the IWW. She worked as an organizer for the IWW and anarchist activist who was a major organizer of the Haymarket Affair of 1886 in Chicago that led to the massacre of eight workers (her husband was executed in 1887 on charges of conspiring with the Haymarket Riot), addressed the founding convention of the IWW on two occasions. She was described by Chicago Police Department in the 1920s as “more dangerous than a thousand rioters (http://en.wikipedia.org/...).”  Her speeches touched on issues close to her heart: the oppression of women and how to develop radical new tactics to win strikes. Her ideas clearly were in advance of the time, presage the "sit-in" strikes of the 1930s, the anti-war movement of the 1960s, and her words resonate today. Delegate applause interrupted her speech several times and at the end.

The Uprising of the 20,000:

Interestingly enough while people may have heard the name of the Triangle Shirtwaist factory, it is often mostly known due to the horrific fire in 1911. However, the Triangle Shirtwaist factory plays quite a role in the history of trade union struggles in NYC; it was in response to the horrific working conditions at the factory that workers staged a short-term strike which resulted in a lock-out by the company. This led to a 14 week strike known as the "Uprising of the 20,000." (http://en.wikipedia.org/...)
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At that point a 19-year old girl named Clara Lemlich who was sitting in the crowd stood up and began walking towards the podium while shouting “I want to say a few words!”Once she got to the podium, she continued, “I have no further patience for talk as I am one of those who feels and suffers from the things pictured. I move that we go on a general strike...now!” The audience rose to their feet and cheered, then voted for a strike (http://www.economicpopulist.org/...).
 

"The news of the strike spread quickly to all the New York garment workers. At a series of mass meetings, after the leading figures of the American labor movement spoke in general terms about the need for solidarity and preparedness, Clara Lemlich rose to speak about the conditions she and other women worked under and demanded an end to talk and the calling of a strike of the entire industry. The crowd responded enthusiastically and, after taking a traditional Yiddish oath, "If I turn traitor to the cause I now pledge, may this hand wither from the arm I now raise," voted for a general strike. Approximately 20,000 out of the 32,000 workers in the shirtwaist trade walked out in the next two days."
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Some music to enjoy (well without the music):
The Uprising of the Twenty Thousand
Dedicated to the Waistmakers of 1909

In the black of the winter of nineteen nine,
When we froze and bled on the picket line,
We showed the world that women could fight
And we rose and won with women's might.
Chorus:
Hail the waistmakers of nineteen nine,
Making their stand on the picket line,
Breaking the power of those who reign,
Pointing the way, smashing the chain.
And we gave new courage to the men
Who carried on in nineteen ten
And shoulder to shoulder we'll win through,
Led by the I.L.G.W.U.
(From: Let's Sing! Educational Department, International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union, New York City, n.d., http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/.... )."
The strike was not completely successful. While Union recognition was not achieved, conditions on working hours, health and safety standards and wages were agreed but many employers in the industry (including the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory owners) refused to sign. In 1910, the ILGWU led a strike of 60,000 cloakmakers called "The Great Revolt" that lasted several months and which led to higher wages, union recognition rudimentary health benefits, and an agreement of arbitration rather than strikes to settle disagreements between workers and employers. (http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/...)
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Following the strike of the 20,000, waves of strikes spread through the garment trade starting with Cleveland and Philadelphia and in 1910 and 19111, they hit Chicago. Beginning at Hart, Schaffner, and Marx in September 1910 when 16 women struck. While wages, working conditions and working hours were bad, the straw that broke the camel’s back was the imposition of a bonus system that allowed supervisors to play favourites with some workers, as well as a cut in the piece rate of 1/4 cent. By the end of the week, the original 16 were joined by 2,000 other women. When the United Garment Workers union (UGW) officially sanctioned the strike, 41,000 workers walked off the job. The UGW refused to call a general strike and only called out workers that were without contracts. Hart, Schaffner and Marx shifted work to non-union sub-contractors. As the fall progressed, the strike increasingly looked like a lost cause. In early November, the Chicago Federation of Labor and the Women's Trade Union League (WTUL) urged the strikers to settle, and the UGW withdrew support in December. Workers under Sidney Hillman's leadership ratified a contract with HSM that went into effect on January 14. Other workers, the most radical of the strikers, held out until February, when the general strike was called off. As many workers as could returned to their shops, but many were refused re-employment (http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/...).

Hannah Shapiro Glick
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“It wasn't because I wanted to work, but I could see that every little cent helped. ...I went to work at Hart, Schaffner & Marx; I thought, "I have to better myself." [...] There's nothing like in a big place to work; 'cause they have a wonderful system to work.(4) [...] We got along nicely with every language, let me tell you, but I always minded my own business, but when it came to this, [the strike] I couldn't stand this [...]. They were all afraid to say a word but I wasn't [...]. People who are older than I am would stay in the house and not to budge. So I was the first one [...] If not for me, it seems they couldn't move [...] I'm a strong girl; I never regretted it [...] I think if not for the strike, they would never have what they have now; we had to strike and I think we had the right to go [...]They stayed like glue; they felt they had to show we have to be recognized as people and, really, we struggled; it wasn't easy [...]The workingman has to live too, that's what it had to show and it did too (http://www.chicagohistoryjournal.com/...).”

(excerpted from research by Rebecca Sive, (
also see: http://www.chicagohistoryjournal.com/...). In 1922, Hannah Shapiro was identified in the Amalgamated Clothing Workers Joint Board Report as the initiator of the 1910 Chicago strike. Although she never emerged as a political leader, Glick was one of the "girl strikers" Buhle's Socialist thinkers admired.

On September 22, 1910, Hannah [a.k.a. "Annie"] Shapiro (later Glick), a seventeen-year-old Jewish immigrant born in the Ukraine, initiated the workers' walkout in shop 5 of a major clothing manufacturer.   Shapiro, complained to her foreman about a cut in the piecework rate from 4 cents to 3 & 3/4 cents for seaming a pair of pants. He replied that nothing could be done.  Under Shapiro's  leadership, workers from shop 5 walked out. By Wednesday, workers in other company shops refused to do the work of  Shapiro's shop and, by the end of the week, workers in seven out of ten Hart, Schaffner & Marx shops were out. A month later, 40,000 Chicago garment workers were on strike.
By her own account, Glick was young, fearless, and responsive to the righteousness of the workers' struggle. Her convictions gave her strength; she was a tireless picketer and a good speaker, though not a trained organizer. Although she remembered meeting Jane Addams, dancing with Clarence Darrow [who represented the workers during arbitration], organizing with Agnes Nestor and Mary Dreier Robins, and watching Bessie Abramovitch (Hillman) flirt, She had no memory of Clara Masilotti, the Italian strike leader. Furthermore, Glick does not appear "conferring" in any photographs, nor did she write any articles about the strike,  or teach English to strikers  She did not speak at meetings of the workers, as Abramovitch did.  However, she was always her own woman. She did not participate in the selling of the "Special Girl Strikers' Edition" of the Chicago Daily Socialist because she did not agree with Socialist organizing tactics. Of her own significance in the strike, Glick said

"The strike, I'll tell you the truth for me, it was a joke, but for the married people...But I was the spokes [sic]... At first they said, 'A young girl, what does she know, good from bad, couldn't she make up 1/4 cent? ... Women can't stick to anything.'
In retrospect, she saw her importance as having been a model of steadfast courage.

The Creation of International Women's Day
The declaration of a women's day was called by the Socialist Party of America in 1909 and was celebrated across the US on February 28th. In fact, it was celebrated in the US on the last Sunday in February up until 1913 (http://www.un.org/...http://www.un.org/...).

In 1910, at the Socialist (second) International (second internationall) in Copenhagen, Clara Zetkin suggested the creation of International Women's day was established to honour women's rights and to support the struggle for women's suffrage.
In 1911, the first international women's day was celebrated on March 19th by demonstrations in Austria (1918), Germany (1918), Denmark (1915) and Switzerland (1971) where over 1 million women and men attended the demonstrations. The dates in parentheses indicate when women achieved not only the right to vote, but the right to vote independently of property qualifications (women's suffrage timeline). This most basic right of bourgeois democracies was denied to women and is still denied in many countries.

Some More US Labour History:

The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire

And this leads us once again to the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory and the fire on March 25th 1911. The death of 146 people (17 men, 129 women mostly young immigrants; 146 out of 500 people employed at the company) either burnt to death or who died after jumping from the building.
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These deaths all happened in the space of 18 minutes when a rag caught on fire in the space housing the Triangle Shirt Waist Factory (they occupied the 8-10 floors of the Asch building); in order to prevent workers from leaving early or stealing from the firm, workers going off shift had to pass through doors where their bags would be searched. The exits of the 9th floor were simply impassable, some doors were locked, the fire escapes buckled due to the heat of the flames. The locked doors ensured that those trapped inside (those on the 10th floor were able to make it to the roof) had the choice of being burned to death or jumping out the windows to their deaths (the fireman's safety nets could not hold the weight of people from those heights, the fire ladders were too short to reach these floors and the water hoses could not reach a fire that high). These unnecessary and horrific deaths became a unifying theme for international women's day and its link to working class struggles for justice (Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire).
Cornell University's International Labour Relations Department has a 100 year tribute to the Triangle Shirt Waist Factory Fire. This is a fantastic resource and includes a history of the struggles for wages, better working conditions, limits to working hours of the early 20th century in the garment district, eyewitness accounts of survivors, photos of the fire, its aftermath and the funerals. There are also transcripts of the trial against the owners of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company (Blanck and Harris) that were found innocent of second-degree manslaughter as they denied knowledge that the doors were locked. In 1914, they finally settled a civil suit paying $75 per victim (cornell triangle fire)
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350,000 people participated in the funeral march a few days after the fire. At the memorial meeting, Rose Schneiderman gave a speech that has meaning even today.
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“I would be a traitor to these poor burned bodies if I came here to talk good fellowship. We have tried you good people of the public and we have found you wanting. The old Inquisition had its rack and its thumbscrews and its instruments of torture with iron teeth. We know what these things are today; the iron teeth are our necessities, the thumbscrews are the high-powered and swift machinery close to which we must work, and the rack is here in the firetrap structures that will destroy us the minute they catch on fire.
This is not the first time girls have been burned alive in the city. Every week I must learn of the untimely death of one of my sister workers. Every year thousands of us are maimed. The life of men and women is so cheap and property is so sacred. There are so many of us for one job it matters little if 146 of us are burned to death.
We have tried you citizens; we are trying you now, and you have a couple of dollars for the sorrowing mothers, brothers and sisters by way of a charity gift. But every time the workers come out in the only way they know to protest against conditions which are unbearable the strong hand of the law is allowed to press down heavily upon us.
Public officials have only words of warning to us – warning that we must be intensely peaceable, and they have the workhouse just back of all their warnings. The strong hand of the law beats us back, when we rise, into the conditions that make life unbearable.
I can't talk fellowship to you who are gathered here. Too much blood has been spilled. I know from my experience it is up to the working people to save themselves. The only way they can save themselves is by a strong working-class movement (rose schneiderman).”
The Bread and Roses Strike (Lawrence MA, 1912)
Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, along with Joseph Ettor was one of the major organisers for the 1912 Lawrence Textile Strike, aka the “Bread and Roses Strike” derived from a sign carried by a woman worker.
Lawrence MA was a mill town; housing was “provided” for workers and was priced higher than elsewhere in New England. Other workers lived in cramped tenements. According to Jone Johnson Lewis (1912_lawrence), the average worker at Lawrence earned less than $9 per week; housing costs were $1 to $6 per week.   Introduction of new machinery lead to a speed-up leading to increased productivity but lower wages and less hours available to work. The strike began on January 11th when a few Polish women workers went on strike as their pay was shorted. The next day, 10,000 workers went out; strike numbers rose to 25,000.
The IWW was the main organising force, after meeting with them, the workers demanded:
•    15% pay increase
•    54 hour work week
•    overtime pay at double the normal rate of pay
•    elimination of bonus pay, which rewarded only a few and encouraged all to work longer hours
Needless to say, the city responded rather badly to the strike.
“The city reacted with nightime militia patrols, turning fire hoses on strikers, and sending some of the strikers to jail. Groups elsewhere, often Socialists, organized strike relief, including soup kitchens, medical care, and funds paid to the striking families (1912 lawrence).
The death of a woman striker, Anna LoPizzo whom was killed as police broke up a picket line on January 29 increased tensions.
“Strikers accused the police of the shooting. Police arrested IWW organizer Joseph Ettor and Italian socialist, newpaper editor, and poet Arturo Giovannitti who were at a meeting three miles away at the time and charged them as accessories to murder in her death. After this arrest, martial law was enforced and all public meetings were declared illegal (http://womenshistory.about.com/...).”
Dynamite was planted around the town by people paid by the company owners to try and win public sympathy at the expense of the strikers and IWW. Children of the strikers were evacuated to NYC on trains where temporary foster care was provided for them (as an aside, Margaret Sanger was one of the nurses on the train). When the next attempt to relocate children happened; the city reacted violently, mothers and children were clubbed and beaten and children were taken from their parents. This led to a congressional investigation in which the workers actually testified; Helen Taft (the wife of President Taft) actually attended the congressional meetings in sympathy with the workers.  This enabled the building of public sympathy as the IWW brought attention to the situation and held solidarity rallies in NY (led by Flynn) and Boston. The company gave in on March 12th to the original demands of the strikers and Ettor and Giovannitti were acquitted of murder on November 26th.
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ELIZABETH GURLEY FLYNN (1890-1964)  

The song, Rebel Girl, written in honour of Flynn by Joe Hill best expresses her life (elizabeth gurley flynn). The video below begins with Flynn reminiscing about her life, before the song begins:
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Born in Concord, NH to a family of socialists and feminists that finally settled in the Bronx in 1900, Flynn attended public school in the Bronx in New York City.  At the age of 16 she gave her first public address to the Harlem Socialist Club, where she spoke on "What Socialism Will Do for Women." Upon her arrest for blocking traffic during one of her soapbox speeches she was expelled from high school, and in 1907 she began full-time organizing for the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW).
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Flynn's efforts for the IWW took her all over the United States, where she led organizing campaigns among garment workers in Minersville, Pennsylvania; silk weavers in Patterson, New Jersey; hotel and restaurant workers in New York City; miners in Minnesota's Mesabi Iron Range; and textile workers in the famous Lawrence, Massachusetts, strike of 1912. She spoke in meeting halls, at factory gates, and on street corners in cities and towns across the country.

Many of the workers whom Flynn sought to organize were women and children, and Flynn combined her class-based politics with recognition of the particular oppression women experienced because of their sex. She criticized male chauvinism in the IWW and pressed the union to be more sensitive to the needs and interests of working class women.

With other Communist leaders, Flynn fell victim to the anti-Communist hysteria that suffused the United States after the war. After a nine-month trial in 1952, she was convicted under the Smith Act of conspiring to teach and advocate the overthrow of the United States government. During her prison term from January 1955 to May 1957 at the women's federal penitentiary at Alderson, West Virginia, she wrote, took notes on prison life, and participated in the integration of a cottage composed of African-American women.

Flynn published two books about her life:
The Rebel Girl, An Autobiography: My First Life (1906-1926; revised edition, 1973) and The Alderson Story: My Life as a Political Prisoner (1955). The following books provide discussions of Flynn in the context of women activists and labor radicals: Melvyn Dubofsky, We Shall Be All: A History of the Industrial Workers of the World (1969); Meredith Tax, The Rising of the Women: Feminist Solidarity and Class Conflict, 1880-1917 (1980).

Women’s Suffrage, Race and Class Struggle:
The Women’s Suffrage movement split upon both race and class early in its history.

CLARA ZETKIN. (1857-1933).

“As far as the proletarian woman is concerned, it is capitalism’s need to exploit and to search incessantly for a cheap labor force that has created the women’s question. It is for this reason, too, that the proletarian woman has become enmeshed in the mechanism of the economic life of our period and has been driven into the workshop and to the machines. She went out into the economic life in order to aid her husband in making a living, but the capitalist mode of production transformed her into on unfair competitor. She wanted to bring prosperity to her family, but instead misery descended upon it. The proletarian woman obtained her own employment because she wanted to create a more sunny and pleasant life for her children, but instead she became almost entirely separated from them. She became an equal of the man as a worker; the machine rendered muscular force superfluous and everywhere women’s work showed the same results in production as men’s work. And since women constitute a cheap labor force and above all a submissive one that only in the rarest of cases dares to kick against the thorns of capitalist exploitation, the capitalists multiply the possibilities of women’s work in industry. As a result of all this, the proletarian woman has achieved her independence. But verily, the price was very high and for the moment they have gained very little. If during the Age of the Family, a man had the right (just think of the law of Electoral Bavaria!) to tame his wife occasionally with a whip, capitalism is now taming her with scorpions. In former times, the rule of a man over his wife was ameliorated by their personal relationship. Between an employer and his worker, however, exists only a cash nexus. The proletarian woman has gained her economic independence, but neither as a human being nor as a woman or wife has she had the possibility to develop her individuality. For her task as a wife and a mother, there remain only the breadcrumbs which the capitalist production drops from the table.

Therefore the liberation struggle of the proletarian woman cannot be similar to the struggle that the bourgeois woman wages against the male of her class. On the contrary, it must be a joint struggle with the male of her class against the entire class of capitalists. She does not need to fight against the men of her class in order to tear down the barriers which have been raised against her participation in the free competition of the market place. Capitalism’s need to exploit and the development of the modern mode of production totally relieves her of having to fight such a struggle. On the contrary, new barriers need to be erected against the exploitation of the proletarian woman. Her rights as wife and mother need to be restored and permanently secured. Her final aim is not the free competition with the man, but the achievement of the political rule of the proletariat. The proletarian woman fights hand in hand with the man of her class against capitalist society. To be sure, she also agrees with the demands of the bourgeois women’s movement, but she regards the fulfillment of these demands simply as a means to enable that movement to enter the battle, equipped with the same weapons, alongside the proletariat (http://www.marxists.org/...).”

Radical Socialist and feminist, Clara Zetkin joined the Social Democratic Workers' Party of Germany in 1875. Zetkin belonged to the Radical wing of the Party along with Rosa Luxemburg. She married a Russian revolutionary living in exile (for a bibliography of Zetkin, seeClara Zetkin bibliography).
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Clara Zetkin was influenced by Bebel's position in Women and Socialism which argued that it was the goal of socialists "not only to achieve equality of men and women under the present social order, which constitutes the sole aim of the bourgeois women's movement, but to go far beyond this and to remove all barriers that make one human being [economically]dependent upon another, which includes the dependence of one sex upon another."

In 1889, Zetkin wrote:

"What made women's labour particularly attractive to the capitalists was not only its lower price but also the greater submissiveness of women. The capitalists speculate on the two following factors: the female worker must be paid as poorly as possible and the competition of female labour must be employed to lower the wages of male workers as much as possible. In the same manner the capitalists use child labour to depress women's wages and the work of machines to depress all human labour."
In 1891 Zetkin became editor of the SPD's journal, Die Gleichheit (Equality). An impressive journalist, Zetkin took the circulation from 11,000 in 1903 to 67,000 three years later. She was also active against militarism. At the time of WW1, Zetkin wrote in November, 1914:
"When the men kill, it is up to us women to fight for the preservation of life. When the men are silent, it is our duty to raise our voices in behalf of our ideals."
A strong campaigner for women's suffrage, Zetkin was elected secretary of the International Socialist Women. In 1907, she became the leader of the women’s office at the SPD (German Social Democratic Party) and organized the first international women’s conference (Clara Zetkin).  She wrote:
"The socialist parties of all countries are duty bound to fight energetically for the implementation of universal women's suffrage which is to be vigorously advocated both by agitation and by parliamentary means. When a battle for suffrage is conducted, it should only be conducted according to socialist principles, and therefore with the demand of universal suffrage for all men and women [irrespective of class and property ownership].”

In 1910 at the Second International, she advocated for the formation of International Women's Day on March 8th (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/...).
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IDA BELL WELLS-BARNETT (Holy Springs, Mississippi) July 16, 1862 - March 25, 1931)
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The following story illustrates how Well's long history of fighting for black rights influenced the suffrage movement:

On March 3, 1913, as 5,000 women prepared to parade through President Woodrow Wilson's inauguration, demanding the right to vote, Ida B. Wells was standing to the side. A black journalist and civil-rights activist, she had taken time out from her anti-lynching campaign to lobby for woman suffrage in Chicago.
 But a few days earlier, leaders of the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA) had insisted she not march with the Illinois delegation. Certain Southern women, they said, had threatened to pull out if a black woman marched alongside whites.

A constitutional amendment for woman suffrage, the object of the parade, would have to be ratified by two-thirds of the state legislatures after garnering two-thirds votes in both the House and Senate. In the Southern states, opposition to woman suffrage was intensified as legislators feared that granting women the vote would add even more black voters to the voting rolls.

So, the parade organizers reasoned, a compromise had to be struck: African American women could march in the suffrage parade, but in order to prevent raising even more opposition in the South, they would have to march at the back of the march. The organizers of the march asked that the African American women march at the back of the parade.

Mary Terrell accepted the decision. But Ida Wells-Barnett did not. She tried to get the white Illinois delegation to support her opposition of this segregation, but found few supporters. The Alpha Suffrage Club women either marched in the back, or, as did Ida Wells-Barnett herself, decided not to march in the parade at all.
But, as the parade progressed, Wells-Barnett emerged from the crowd and joined the (white) Illinois delegation, marching between two white supporters. She refused to comply with the segregation. This was neither the first nor the last time that African American women found their support of women's rights received with less than enthusiasm.
Didn't black women have as much right to vote as white women? Sixty-five years earlier, at the dawn of the woman's suffrage movement, most suffragists would have said yes. In fact, early feminists were often anti-slavery activists before they started arguing for women's rights. And the parallels between black slaves — who could not vote or hold property — and women — who could do neither in most states — couldn't be ignored (Sources: http://www.scholastic.com/...and http://womenshistory.about.com/...).

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Born of  slave parents, Ida B. Wells became a teacher, refused to give up her seat to go to the “coloured section” and sued the railroad in the 1880s. She led the national campaign against lynching, and founded Alpha Suffrage Club of Chicago with Black suffragists.

But the rights of blacks and women did not always go hand in hand. In 1869, as America was about to give black men the right to vote, the woman's movement split in two. Half the activists felt that any expansion of voting rights was a step in the right direction; the other half were angry that women were being left behind.

By 1900, most suffragists had lost their enthusiasm for civil rights, and actually used racism to push for the vote. Anna Howard Shaw, head of NAWSA, said it was "humiliating" that black men could vote while well-bred white women could not. Other suffragists scrambled to reassure white Southerners that white women outnumbered male blacks in the South. If women got the vote, they argued, they would help preserve "white supremacy. "But not all white suffragists shunned blacks, but Wells was never really embraced by the white suffrage movement. And though both white and black women won the vote in 1920, they did not do it by marching together.

The discussions on the left addressed Women’s Suffrage differently and from a critical perspective compared to those of bourgeois feminist movements. Questions were raised amongst the anarchists such as Emma Goldman asked whether the ballot was a priority, that it distracted women from true emancipation and tied our emancipation towards participating in elections rather than elimination of oppression and the state; Mother Jones argued that it was not a priority, we should be fighting class oppression. Amongst the Socialists and Communists, support for Women’s Suffrage was strong. However, their argument was strongly differentiated from the Bourgeois Women’s Suffrage movement and emphasised that while extension of bourgeois democracy was appropriate if nothing else on social grounds and economic grounds; simply getting women into political movements was important. However, it was always emphasised that true liberation and emancipation would only come through the struggle and creation of socialism.

Emma Goldman (June 27 [O.S. June 15] 1869 – May 14, 1940)

“The history of progress is written in the blood of men and women who have dared to espouse an unpopular cause, as, for instance, the black man's right to his body, or woman's right to her soul.”
“Needless to say, I am not opposed to woman suffrage on the conventional ground that she is not equal to it.  I see neither physical, psychological, nor mental reasons why woman should not have the equal right to vote with man.  But that can not possibly blind me to the absurd notion that woman will accomplish that wherein man has failed.  If she would not make things worse, she certainly could not make them better.  To assume, therefore, that she would succeed in purifying something which is not susceptible of purification, is to credit her with supernatural powers.  Since woman's greatest misfortune has been that she was looked upon as either angel or devil, her true salvation lies in being placed on earth; namely, in being considered human, and therefore subject to all human follies and mistakes.  Are we, then, to believe that two errors will make a right?  Are we to assume that the poison already inherent in politics will be decreased, if women were to enter the political arena?  The most ardent suffragists would hardly maintain such a folly.

As a matter of fact, the most advanced students of universal suffrage have come to realize that all existing systems of political power are absurd, and are completely inadequate to meet the pressing issues of life (http://www.marxists.org/...).”


Born in Kovno in the Russian Empire to an orthodox Jewish family, Goldman emigrated to the US in 1885 and moved first to Rochester, NY before she moved and settled to live in NYC. An anarchist writer, theoretician and activist, Goldman wrote and worked extensively on women’s issues on birth control, marriage (she was an ardent supporter of “free love”), and freedom of speech, an opponent of homophobia,  militarism and conscription. A believer in direct action and violence to support political ends, she was imprisoned several times for “incitement to riot.”

In 1892 she was involved in the Homestead strike by the Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers (against the Homestead PA steel plant owned by Andrew Carnegie and run by Henry Clay Frick a strong opponent of the union). Her lover, Alexander Birkman, tried unsuccessfully to kill Frick in an attempt to strike terror and raise political consciousness (he was sentenced to 22 years in prison for the attempt).
In 1901, Leon Czolgosz shot President McKinley (who died from his wounds). Czolgosz said that he was inspired after listening to one of Goldman’s speeches but said that she had no role in the assassination. He was executed for the crime, but she refused to condemn his actions and was vilified leading to a crackdown on anarchists under Teddy Roosevelt the succeeding president. Goldman founded the journal “Mother Earth” in 1906 and when Beckman was released he took over control of the journal while she toured the country advocating anarchism, birth control, free-love and freedom of speech for the next 10 years. Their relationship broke down and Goldman formed a relationship with Ben Reitman (her "hobo" doctor).
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Following the passage of conscription for WWI, Goldman became active in the anti-conscription movement and formed the No Conscription League with Beckman leading to her arrest in June 1917 and imprisonment until 1919.

Attorney General Alexander Mitchell Palmer and J. Edgar Hoover, head of the U.S.
Department of Justice's General Intelligence Division, were intent on using the Anarchist Exclusion Act of 1918 to deport any non-citizens they could identify as advocates of anarchy or revolution. "Emma Goldman and Alexander Berkman," Hoover wrote while they were in prison, "are, beyond doubt, two of the most dangerous anarchists in this country and return to the community will result in undue harm." They (and 247 other people) were deported en masse to Russia. Initially supportive of the revolution, Goldman and Beckman became rapidly and strongly disenchanted and left the country in 1921.

She then lived in the UK after marrying to get British citizenship to provide her with some safety; she started writing her biography in 1928, travelled to Canada. She was allowed to return to the US for a lecture tour in 1933, as long as she did not speak of politics or current events.  She visited Spain (she strongly support the anarcho-syndicalists during the Civil War and championed their cause) and her support for their struggle was formally recognised by the CNT-FAI. She died in 1940 in Toronto Canada (Emma Goldman).

Rosa Luxemburg (1871-1919)

From Women’s Suffrage and Class Struggle (1912)

“Economically and socially, the women of the exploiting classes do not make up an independent stratum of the population. They perform a social function merely as instruments of natural reproduction for the ruling classes. The women of the proletariat, on the contrary, are independent economically; they are engaged in productive work for society just as the men are. Not in the sense that they help the men by their housework, scraping out a daily living and raising children for meagre compensation. This work is not productive within the meaning of the present economic system of capitalism, even though it entails an immense expenditure of energy and self-sacrifice in a thousand little tasks. This is only the private concern of the proletarians, their blessing and felicity, and precisely for this reason nothing but empty air as far as modem society is concerned. Only that work is productive which produces surplus value and yields capitalist profit – as long as the rule of capital and the wage system still exists. From this standpoint the dancer in a cafe, who makes a profit for her employer with her legs, is a productive working-woman, while all the toil of the woman and mothers of the proletariat within the four walls of the home is considered unproductive work. This sounds crude and crazy but it is an accurate expression of the crudeness and craziness of today’s capitalist economic order; and to understand this crude reality clearly and sharply is the first necessity for the proletarian woman (https://epress.anu.edu.au/...)”
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Rosa Luxemburg was born in Russian-controlled Poland. She was the 5th child of a Jewish Timber Merchant; a childhood illness left her with a permanent limp. Rosa Luxemburg was a leading Marxist theoretician and organiser whose writings were pertinent to many debates of the period and are still relevant to contemporary debates especially on Reform versus Revolution, Tactics and Strategy, Political Organisation, Political Economy and discussions of the National Question (http://www.marxists.org/...).
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In 1886, Luxemburg joined the Polish Proletariat Party which organised a general strike leaving in 1887 resulting in 4 leaders killed and the party disbanded. Rosa fled to Switzerland in 1889, studying at Zurich University. She co-founded the Social Democratic party of the Kingdom of Poland (and later Lithuania joined the group) with Leo Jogiches. She wrote extensively on the national question, political economy, politics and history. In 1896, she married Gustav Lübeck, got German citizenship and moved to Berlin. She was active in the left-wing of the SPD leading the fight against Bernstein’s revisionist policies (See Social Reform or Revolution). A supporter of the use of direct action and the general strike, she ran into difficulties with the right of the SPD and also the government. She was imprisoned 3 times for her political activities between the periods of 1904-6.  She finally broke with the SPD in 1914 when they voted to support the war and agreed to a truce with the Imperial Government. In 1914, Karl Liebknecht, Clara Zetkin, and Franz Mehring, founded the Die Internationale group; it became the Spartacus League in January 1916. The Spartacist League vehemently rejected the SPD's support for the war, trying to lead Germany's proletariat to an anti-war general strike. As a result, in June 1916 Luxemburg was imprisoned for two and a half years, as was Karl Liebknecht. During imprisonment, she was twice relocated, first to Posen (now Poznań), then to Breslau (now Wrocław). Freed from Prison in Breslau in 1918, Luxemburg and Liebknecht reorganised the Spartacist League which along with the Independent Socialists and the International Communists of Germany (IKD) united to form the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) on 1st January 1919 under her and Liebknecht’s leadership.

In January 1919 a second revolutionary wave took Berlin. The leader of the SPD (Friedrich Ebert, a former student of Luxemburg) ordered the destruction of the left-wing revolution. Luxemburg and Liebknecht were captured on the 15th of January in Berlin and were first questioned and then murdered by the Freikorps' Garde-Kavallerie-Schützendivision. While Leibknecht body was delivered anonymously to a morgue; Rosa Luxemburg's body was dumped in a river (see Rosa Luxemburg).

Alexandra Kollantai (1872-1953)
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Today, for International Women's Day 2012, we are including the words of Alexandra Kollantai, on the question of maternity insurance, motherhood and children. Many readers might ask why this topic? Isn't the question surrounding reproductive rights the purview of bourgeois feminists?  Shouldn't we be focused on articles that pertain to women's role in the workforce and IWD, especially when the writer is Kollantai, a leading advocate of IWD during the Russian Revolution, For those women, we refer you to the following link: To mark International Women's Day 2010, Links International Journal of Socialist Renewal reproduces Alexandra Kollontai's classic history and explanation of this important anniversary. Kollontai’s writings are available on line (see: Alexandra Kollantai bibliography).

However, we chose the article on maternity insurance because: 1) if you watch the news today, you will see the same problem of maternity insurance, motherhood and children (albeit an updated version) being argued in the halls of the U.S. Congress in 2012 just as it was argued by Russian society in 1902; and 2) as Kolantai, herself notes, it is the most vital and urgent problem created by the large-scale capitalist economic system. The article, although already significantly edited, is very long.  We hope the opening will entice you enough to follow the link and read the entire argument.  Then go discuss it with the women in your neighbourhood.
Kollantai in Sweden when she was a diplomat there:
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Society and Motherhood (Source: Alexandra Kollontai: Selected Articles and Speeches, Progress Publishers, 1984; First Published: Society and Motherhood, Petrograd, 1916, pp. 3-18, abridged; Transcribed: Sally Ryan for marxists.org, 2000)

"Among the numerous problems raised by contemporary reality there is probably none more important for mankind, none more vital and urgent than the problem of motherhood created by the large-scale capitalist economic system. The problem of protecting and providing for the mother and young child is one that faces social politicians, knocks relentlessly at the door of the statesman, engages the health and hygiene specialists, concerns the social statistician, haunts the representative of the working class and weighs down on the shoulders of tens of millions of mothers compelled to earn their own living.

Side by side with the problem of sex and marriage, enveloped in the poetical language of the psychological suffering, insoluble difficulties and unsatisfied needs of noble souls, there is always to be found the majestic and tragic figure of motherhood wearily carrying her heavy burden. Neo-malthusians, social-reformers and philanthropists have all hastened to provide their own particular solution to this thorny problem, and all sing the praises of their own method of restoring paradise lost to mothers and babies.

The prosperity of national industry and the development of the national economy depend upon a constant supply of fresh labour… the principle of state maternity insurance [is] a principle in sharp contradiction with the present social structure as [it] undermines the basis of marriage and violates the fundamental concepts of private-family rights and relationships. However, if, in the name of 'higher' considerations of state and under the pressure of necessity, the state authorities have been compelled to advance and implement a measure so at odds with the prevailing spirit of the representatives of the bourgeois world, at the other end of the social scale, among the working class, the principle of providing for and protecting mother and child is welcomed with enthusiasm and sympathy.

The demand that the social collective (the community) provide maternity insurance and child protection was born of the immediate and vital needs of the class of hired workers. Of all the strata of society, this class is the one which most requires that a solution be found to the painful conflict between compulsory professional labour by women and their duties as representatives of their sex, as mothers. Following a powerful class instinct rather than a clearly understood idea, the working class strove to find a way of resolving this conflict (Society and Motherhood 1915).


An ardent supporter of working class women, Kollantai, herself came from the bourgeois intelligentsia. Her father was a general and her mother came from a wealthy peasant family.  Her mother's divorce from her first husband and the long and unhappy struggle of her parents to be together helped develop her ideas on love, sex and marriage which became a critical part of her feminist theory.  Her own early marriage ended because she felt "trapped." She became increasingly involved with the populist ideas of the Peasant Commune in the 1890s which led her to the budding Marxist movement in St. Petersburg. In 1898 she left her child by her first marriage with her parents and went to study economics abroad in Europe. In 1899, she returned to Russia where she met Lenin who supported her feminist ideas. She was a witness of the popular uprising in 1905 known as Bloody Sunday, at Saint Petersburg in front of the Winter Palace. She went into exile to Germany in 1908. She left Germany when the SPD supported WWI which she adamantly opposed. She settled in Norway where her antiwar views were accepted. She finally returned to Russia after the Tsar abdicated in 1917. She became the most well-known advocate for women's equality in Russia and the most prominent woman in the Soviet administration .She was best known for founding the Zhenotdel or "Women's Department" (1919) where she worked to improve the conditions of women's lives, fighting illiteracy and educating women about the new marriage, education, and working laws put in place by the Soviet Union (Alexandra Kollantai.

In the 1920s, she joined a left-wing faction of the Communist party that opposed Lenin and was effectively purged from any further meaningful role in the party.  Because of her previously close relationship with Lenin, however, she was allowed to live out her days in various diplomatic positions abroad (Alexandra Kollantai).

Kollontai raised eyebrows with her unflinching advocacy of free love. Kollontai's views on the role of marriage and the family under Communism were arguably more influential on today's society than her advocacy of "free love."  Kollontai believed that, like the state, the family unit would wither away. She viewed marriage and traditional families as legacies of the oppressive, property-rights-based, egoist past. Under Communism, both men and women would work for, and be supported by, society, not their families. Similarly, their children would be wards of, and reared basically by society.  Kollontai admonished men and women to discard their nostalgia for traditional family life. "The worker-mother must learn not to differentiate between yours and mine; she must remember that there are only our children, the children of Russia’s communist workers." However, she also praised maternal attachment: "Communist society will take upon itself all the duties involved in the education of the child, but the joys of parenthood will not be taken away from those who are capable of appreciating them."Alexandra Kollantai
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Originally posted to Anti-Capitalist Meetup on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 03:00 PM PST.

Also republished by Feminism, Pro-Feminism, Womanism: Feminist Issues, Ideas, & Activism and Anti-Capitalist Chat.

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  •  Tip Jar (19+ / 0-)

    "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

    by NY brit expat on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 03:00:04 PM PST

  •  Wonderful History, a Tour de Force of Great Women. (8+ / 0-)

    Thanks so much, NY brit expat and Geminijen, this is a magnificent post in celebration of International Women's Day.

    Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

    by Justina on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 03:14:03 PM PST

  •  Anti-capitalist meet-up Diary Schedule (5+ / 0-)

    11: cosmic debris
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    April 1: diary from the admin
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    May 1:

    Hi all, if you would like to write a diary for the group, please send a message to the group here on daily kos, or send a message to Justina, NY brit expat, or TPau.

    We still have openings for the dates above and anything in May and past that date. If you have an idea for a diary, we are always happy to help with constructive suggestions and editing. Diaries can cover any number of topics: History, Culture, Political Economy (Applied and Theoretical), Anthropology, Sociology, Comparative Literature, Philosophy, etc. as long as it from an anti-capitalist perspective.

    We would like to welcome Geminijen to the admin of the group! Her analyses are always insightful and she brings a wealth of knowledge as an activist and theoretician.

    "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

    by NY brit expat on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 03:32:04 PM PST

  •  The issues of suffrage and reproduction as they (6+ / 0-)

    relate to the traditional concerns of wage work in the labor movement are fully discussed here.It really captures the spirit and intellectual rigor of our formothers.  I only hope - since there is so much stuff in this diary -- that people are willing to wade through it.  
    Issue one: Although many or most socialist women originally saw the issue of suffrage as a "reform" issue short of revolution, they eventually banded with reformist women to fight for suffrage because they realized it would give socialists, especially women a place to argue for deeper underlying economic changes.  Many women in the left today have the same dichotomy.  Should we vote if Obama sold us out? The recent attempts to role back even the most basic birth control rights has many leftist women who weren't planning to vote rethinking the issue. Personally, I'm with Odetta _"When you can't fight in the streets, crawl to the polls to show there won't be no resignation." Guess I've made my decision to vote next year, even recognizing the very great limits of that process.
    The second issue that the diary raised for me is  that we too often fail to recognize how the world of wage work and the world of raising kids impact one another and that we shouldn't delegate "reproductive rights "issues to bourgeois feminists and think only workplace issues are the domain of socialist women (the double day was certainly one of the motivators for the early struggle for our rights and is still a problem today).
     All of the early socialist women profiled here clearly allude to both -- the article by Kollantai should definitely be read as it parallels the current discussion in congress over birth control.
    Anyway, have a happy IWD! Can't think of a better way to celebrate it!
     

    •  Agreed completely Geminijen! (5+ / 0-)

      Happy IWD! In solidarity always!

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 03:59:38 PM PST

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    •  This issue presents such a problem for me.... (3+ / 0-)
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      Justina, NY brit expat, joanneleon

      I have this problem every year. Should I vote the marginally lesser of two evils, or vote for who really should be president? Most times I vote my heart--the Green Party or the Socialist Party or Ralph Nader. I consider this a "none of the above" vote.

      Voting for the lesser of two evils is, of course, a self perpetuating trap. But so few people understand that it is a trap, and that both candidates are virtually the same, it is impossible to undo the trap. Obama's Dept of Justice has been as destructive as Bush's. His claim of presidential power to execute American citizens without benefit of the judicial branch is one of the most egregious things a Pres has ever done.

      Yet the birth control issue is so near and dear to my heart. I can't believe we are arguing about birth control this year--not abortion--birth control. Really? Heavy sigh. It does make me reconsider the "none of the above" vote.

      De air is de air. What can be done?

      by TPau on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 05:07:41 PM PST

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  •  Wonderful tribute to so many powerful (7+ / 0-)

    Women. I can't help but think how we of the 21 st century have taken their life work for granted in some ways, and find ourselves having to rebuild the foundations they laid. We have come a long way thanks to their efforts, but we can't ever get complacent about upholding our rights. That goes for civil rights in general too.

    As an aside, I'm close to finished with my piece for next week. Which day should I put it in the queue?

    'Cause the fire in the street, Ain't like the fire in the heart/ And in the eyes of all these people, Don't you know that this could start, On any street in any town ~ FZ

    by cosmic debris on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 03:46:11 PM PST

    •  Cosmic Debris while Geminijen and I were composing (3+ / 0-)
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      this piece, I found myself thinking how far we have come and how we are still fighting for the same things; we have come far and still are no where close to political, economic and social equality. I listened to their voices and found them extremely relevant to today's struggles that we are facing against the current war on women and the introduction of austerity measures on things that we have taken for granted. Gains are being rolled-back constantly; the level of political consciousness is in many senses much lower than the time under consideration in the diaries especially in the struggle for workers and women's rights.

      I have sent you a private message here about next week's diary. We crossed in transmit. :) We ask people if they can put the diary in the queue on Friday afternoon (whatever their time zone). Really looking forward to your piece!

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 03:57:48 PM PST

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        I think often of my grandmother, who was born in 1901 and was raised in a huge family in the desolate ranch lands of Texas. Somehow got herself a college education and helped found planned parenthood chapters in that state with Margaret Sanger. I feel the anger and shock she would no doubt express at the stupidity and vile misogyny rising back up today.  She'd tell us to fight back in her Texan drawl with eyes of steel.

        'Cause the fire in the street, Ain't like the fire in the heart/ And in the eyes of all these people, Don't you know that this could start, On any street in any town ~ FZ

        by cosmic debris on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 04:08:42 PM PST

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      •  I was thinking the same thing (1+ / 0-)
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        A never ending battle.  While I realize this I will never comprehend why it has to be so.


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 06:04:54 PM PST

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        •  because we have never eliminated the (2+ / 0-)
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          problems that have led to the situation. The struggle for social, economic and political equality became subsumed to bourgeois feminism which approached the issue from a very narrow perspective. Socialism is a work in progress and has never been realised; people got their immediate needs covered by the social welfare state and higher incomes that were the result of both economic growth and the strength of the working class movements and the Left and forgot what enabled this increase in incomes.

          We never bother to learn from history. The old adage of those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it is extremely relevant today in the US and in Europe where women's employment, income, maternity benefits, etc are facing steady erosion. In the States, people openly advocate tying the vote to property relations as though that will not affect the majority of voters. What does that tell us?! A group of right-wing thugs are trying to prevent those that get contraception through their health insurance. The US is moving backwards and we do not have the analysis and support that existed at the time under consideration in the diary. All our access to technology and knowledge and we still cannot learn from history.

          "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

          by NY brit expat on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 06:29:14 PM PST

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          •  Good points (1+ / 0-)
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            We also, far too often, don't support each other well enough.


            "Justice is a commodity"

            by joanneleon on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 06:36:16 PM PST

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          •  We have the analysis - Kollantai gave it in her (0+ / 0-)

            speech on maternity in 1902: Capitalist patriarchy.  We just choose not to raise it -- whether out of fear,intimidation or god knows what -- maybe we think if we just slide each issue by individually-- birth control, abortion, maternity leave, wife beating, gay marriage--as a societal abnormality--that men won't notice that we are accusing them of patriarchal oppression and will let us have our "reforms".
            Trust me, they know.  That's why they are still running the world.
            Until we deal with the underlying dynamics of capitalism and the warped way it has put the residual oppression of patriarchy in its service, we will keep treading water and have to win the same battles over and over again.

  •  Sorry I was away from the discussion for awhile -- (3+ / 0-)
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    my computer crashed. Would love to get people's opinions on the issues our formothers raised since they are still not settled today --what role to you think Suffrage has played, or can play, in making real change today? Especially as it relates to women?

    Why do people think that marriage and the nuclear family are so important (most of us live in one or aspire to live in one) if, in fact, they have been used to let the bosses get all the work done in private households for free, instead of paying for raising the the workers they need for the next generation?

    These are serious issues --certainly economic issues, yet we don't want to discuss them much less act on them.

  •  Wow...What a wonderful post... (5+ / 0-)

    Sorry I am so late to the party. I got a flat tire on the way back from Medford.

    This is incredible work. Thank you. It will take me a while to sort through all of this.

    De air is de air. What can be done?

    by TPau on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 04:57:18 PM PST

  •  Great diary (7+ / 0-)

    Love this Mother Jones quote:

    "A lady is the last thing on earth I want to be.  Capitalists side-track the women into clubs and make ladies of them.”
     “No matter what the fight, don’t be ladylike! God almighty made women and the Rockefeller gang of thieves made the ladies.”
    I'm always distracted on Sunday, so I apologize for not participating as much as I should, but this is a great series and diary.

    Pro Life??? Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers!- George Carlin - I Illustrate #OWS protest T-shirts you can buy at priceman political prints

    by priceman on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 04:58:21 PM PST

    •  This Mother Jones quote is one of my favorites too (3+ / 0-)
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      Too often we have been too nice -- and look where it got us -- instead of calling out Republicans on trying to outlaw birthcontrol and the morning after pill and generally numerous tools helpful to women, we discussed in terms of technical procedures or religious freedom instead of immediately calling it out for what it is-- and old fashioned political patriarchal attack on women.  If we had any doubt about that, Rush Limbaugh put it to rest this week.  Finally progressives are starting to talk about the issue in terms of what it is--attack on women's reporductive rights.

      •  Exactly, Geminijen (2+ / 0-)
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        an old fashioned political patriarchal attack on women
        And Republican women are brainwashed into subtly believing what Limbaugh believes. A from of Stockholm syndrome caused by male society and their psychological control of women in association with their political patriarchal attack on women.

        Pro Life??? Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers!- George Carlin - I Illustrate #OWS protest T-shirts you can buy at priceman political prints

        by priceman on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 06:24:07 PM PST

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  •  Great diary, (6+ / 0-)

    thanks for the hard work that went into ti.

    The Independent today ran a story about the best and worst places to be a woman. Read it and weep, those in North America.

    Sweden looks better and better all the time.

    Republicans only want government small enough to fit in a woman's private parts. -- Caroline Heldman, Professor of Politics, Occidental College

    by Mnemosyne on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 05:17:44 PM PST

    •  Great article- just read it. Same stats were used (2+ / 0-)
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      by NYT today but not as interesting breakdown of stats..  One word of caution -- the stats are general comparisons of numbers and don't always tell the story behind it. (i.e., best place to work (92% of women are in labor force)--but are they in good union jobs or sweatshops.  Same with gender gap comparisons.  Sometimes there is a low gender gap because recent restructuring of countries economics with manufacturing job loss in industrial countries often means 1)gender gap closes because men lose manufacturing jobs or 2)the jobs have moved to other countries where they hire more women because women are cheaper labor.

      •  true, about the numbers and (2+ / 0-)
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        stats. Those things are always rather generalized, but I thought it so interesting that North America wasn't even in the running (until No. 17, being an athlete), and that several of the "best" slots were in Africa and South Asia.

        Republicans only want government small enough to fit in a woman's private parts. -- Caroline Heldman, Professor of Politics, Occidental College

        by Mnemosyne on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 09:05:25 PM PST

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  •  Time For a "Global Slut-Walk" General Strike? (4+ / 0-)

    This post sent me back to read the original writings of Rosa Luxemburg, who was an extremely passionate and articulate writer.  Her writing can be found in the archives of www.marxists.org, along with those of many other socialist writers.

    In Rosa Luxemburg’s 1912 speech, “Women’s Suffrage and Class Struggle”,  Luxemburg in stressing that women’s suffrage is an important aspect of the class struggle, quotes a passage from a French socialist, the same passage that was quoted by Karl Marx in his 1848 Manuscripts:

    A hundred years ago, the Frenchman Charles Fourier, one of the first great prophets of socialist ideals, wrote these memorable words: In any society, the degree of female emancipation is the natural measure of the general emancipation.
    Today, the puppet-politicians for the capitalist class are attacking the most fundamental aspect of women’s emancipation, the right to control our own bodies. They seek to thrust us back into the reproductory servitude of feudalism and before by criminalizing not only abortion but even contraception.

    Capitalism is in such crisis today that seeks to restore the conditions of the its formative years when women were the producers of masses of cheap labor for the capitalists to exploit.  This goes hand in hand with their exporting of jobs from the developed countries to those in which the wages and conditions of labor mirror those of the 18th and 19th centuries.

    We cannot let them reduce us to such slavery.  We are fully half of the world’s workers, if united globally we can abolish the capitalist mode of production for once and for all by taking a lesson from the hundreds of thousands of women textile workers who, sparked by International Women’s Day in February, 1917, took to the streets and brought down the Russian Czar.

    Maybe it’s time to turn the “Slut Walks” into a global general strike and bring down all the bastards for once and for all.  Indeed, it would truly  be for the emancipation of all.

    Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

    by Justina on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 05:23:18 PM PST

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      the most critical aspect in relation to capitalist exploitation through the family, marriage and childrearing (hope you read the Kollantai piece in the diary -- it is an amazing analysis of exactly this question), I don't think the Slutwalk (not to knock it)addresses economic exploitaton, but more the human rights issue of freedom of expression. When women took to the street in Russia in 1917, the issues were both antimilitarism and bread for families--issues that tie more directly to the economic exploitation of women.
      I think a general strike (at least in the U.S.) around the effrt to take away birth control has a more revolutionary potential and is clearly in its relationship to a socialist perspective.

  •  this isn't exactly anti-capitalist, (2+ / 0-)
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    or maybe it is anti the existing system -- the EU is going to announce quotes and timetables under which more women will be advanced in European corporations and onto boards of directors.

    I can just hear the whines and screams if that were tried here, but the commissioner cited in this Guaridan story said that otherwise it would take another 40 years to achieve parity.

    You go, Euro sisters!

    Republicans only want government small enough to fit in a woman's private parts. -- Caroline Heldman, Professor of Politics, Occidental College

    by Mnemosyne on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 06:04:15 PM PST

    •  It is interesting to raise this issue and exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      caused the divide between the "bourgeois" in-system feminists and the more socialist working class women.  The gains made by women getting onto the boards of major major corporations is an individual human rights advance for a few women who "break the glass ceiling" but how many women does this effect?  and once they are in these positions will they be any different than the other 1% in exploiting the rest of the 99%.  The socialist women would say that the goals of women's equality have to advance all women (or at least the 99%).

      •  Two of the women who can be cited here: (1+ / 0-)
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        Made fortunes as CEO's of major corporations (Hewlitt-Packard and World Wide Wrestling) and then used their fortunes to run as Republicans for important governmental seats.  It is often hard to let go of power, once held.  

        Just waitin' around for the new Amy Winehouse album

        by jarbyus on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 07:29:40 AM PST

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        •  exactly, my point below! thanks ... missed this (0+ / 0-)

          earlier.

          "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

          by NY brit expat on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 03:39:57 PM PST

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    •  They are instituting that while they are cutting (2+ / 0-)
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      hundreds of thousands of women's jobs due to the introduction of austerity measures and cuts in the public sector. Women are highly overly represented in the public sector not only due to traditional female sectors being state run (health, education, civil service) but also due to initial quotas established to prevent discrimination. The attacks on the social welfare state are destroying the lives of women and children. Yet they offer crumbs to make sure we are on the board of directors ... we need food on our tables, roofs above our heads and clothes on our children and our backs. Mothers are skipping meals to make sure that they can feed their children as benefit money is decreasing. But we can have a few women advanced as corporate directors? This is literally a situation of impoverish the poor and further income and wealth inequality while advancing a few. We all need to be advanced, not only the educated and middle classes. sigh ...

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 06:33:53 PM PST

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      •  I hold to the idea (0+ / 0-)

        that if there are more women in positions of corporate power, there really will be some trickle-down (loathesome term) to benefit others -- there are areas that opened up in the US years ago because just a few more women got some corporate clout. Not perfect, but at least it's a step forward.

        And I like the prospect of pressuring the old boys' networks from whatever direction.

        Republicans only want government small enough to fit in a woman's private parts. -- Caroline Heldman, Professor of Politics, Occidental College

        by Mnemosyne on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 09:08:52 PM PST

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        •  But why? How did Margaret Thatcher improve (1+ / 0-)
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          or benefit the lives of the vast majority. How did Meg Whitman improve the lives of women? People in powerful positions are not what we need as often when they reach there, their interests are not our interests. They are members of the 1% and quite honestly whether male or female, straight or gay, a person or colour or white; it is rare that they will stand with the majority. It too much to get where they were and it is the rare one that bothers to look back. Most are from backgrounds where success is deemed as proof of their superiority.

          There are exceptions of course; but we need to build a movement from the bottom-up to empower all women not pray that a woman in power in either business or politics will remember that she while she has been granted a seat at the table with the boys, there are others that are not even being allowed to serve at the table.

          "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

          by NY brit expat on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 04:35:36 AM PST

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          •  I always felt that (1+ / 0-)
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            Margaret Thatcher, like Indira Gandhi, proved that with equal opportunity women could be just as corrupt and venal as men.

            we need to build a movement from the bottom-up to empower all women not pray that a woman in power in either business or politics will remember that she while she has been granted a seat at the table with the boys, there are others that are not even being allowed to serve at the table.
            I was in this fight early on, the very fact that women now hold positions as traders or financial advisors, any kind of corporate executive, sit on however few boards is a huge triumph.

            And they're not all perfect. And the ones who come along 10 years later think it's automatic, don't realize how tough it was. so the entire process is two steps forward and one step back, as it ever was, alas.

            Republicans only want government small enough to fit in a woman's private parts. -- Caroline Heldman, Professor of Politics, Occidental College

            by Mnemosyne on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 08:26:43 AM PST

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            •  agree mnemosyne ... it is a triumph, but (0+ / 0-)

              we really need to cover the needs of the many. Offering a fingernail while taking the whole hand is simply insulting. The EU passes austerity measures which are disproportionally effecting women (this is the case in Greece, Spain, Ireland, Portugal). They are destroying the public sector where women are disproportionally employed, while they offer a palliative which has little or no impact on the vast majority of women who are facing real hardship due to an unnecessary attack. What we need is both, women being able to move to break a glass ceiling and full-time well paid jobs for others with benefits. Most job creation that is occurring is part-time jobs and these are also disproportionally going to women as they are also losing benefits and after-school programmes and need to cover the kids as well. Giving a pat on the head to a tiny few and then knee-capping all the others is catastrophic.

              "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

              by NY brit expat on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 02:10:47 PM PST

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        •  Wish I thought that was true, but the dominant (1+ / 0-)
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          culture always runs the show -- and in this case, any women who get the power only get it if they agreed to support the dominant (male capitalist)culture.

  •  And Ain't I a Woman? (1+ / 0-)
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    Well, I do not happen to be, but that speech and that phrase should be rolling around everyone's head this morning, this week, this year.  

    This is such a wonderful mini-course in the struggle for women's equality, which, of course, is the struggle to end the divisions created by capitalism for every human being on the planet.

    Thanks, NY brit expat and Geminijen for this truly inspiring diary.  I worry that not enough people will read it, or stay with it because of the length.  So I will hot list it in order to help.

    Do you think it would gather more eyes if it were made into III parts to be posted over the week?

    Many of these women I knew about, but appreciated learning details about their contributions.  And some were completely new to me.

    Thanks again.  

    Just waitin' around for the new Amy Winehouse album

    by jarbyus on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 07:49:00 AM PST

    •  We are republishing the diary on March 8th (0+ / 0-)

      for international women's day so that people could see it again. Thanks for all your support; if people are interested, they can read parts of it and then come back and read the rest.

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Mon Mar 05, 2012 at 08:54:36 AM PST

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  •  Sojourner Truth Never Said "Ain't I a Woman" (1+ / 0-)
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    Hello,
    This diary is great, and I look forward to reading the whole thing. Unfortunately, it again propounds myths regarding Sojourner Truth.
    I engaged (pun intended, see below), in a dialogue about this issue on a previous thread, please see: http://www.dailykos.com/....

    To summarize, "Unfortunately, this version, though widely distributed today, was reconstructed by a white woman, Frances Dana Gage, from her memory 12 years after Truth made the speech.

    There is a more contemporary version, written only a month after the speech, as is mentioned and reprinted on the SojournerTruth.org website:

    ON WOMEN'S RIGHTS  (The Ain't I A Woman Speech)

    In May 1851 Sojourner Truth attended the Women's Rights Convention in Akron, Ohio. She delivered a simple but powerful speech recorded in the June 21, 1851, issue of the Anti-Slavery Bugle, edited by Marcus Robinson (with whom Truth worked.) It is this speech which was transformed into the "Ain't I a Woman?" legend by Frances Dana Gage, the organizer of the convention. She published her version of Truth's speech, complete with crude Southern dialect in the April 23, 1863, issue of the New York Independent.
    •  Thanks samdiener! Haven't seen you for a while (1+ / 0-)
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      have you seen the original speech as that would be useful to have. If you have a link, I would love it! Wish you had seen the piece earlier as we would have altered the diary to put the original piece in instead. Dang ...  ok, I have the piece that you wrote above. Thanks again. I had no idea of the controversy and I strongly believe in attempting to reconstruct rather than overwrite history and what people said. Thanks.

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Thu Mar 08, 2012 at 06:06:30 PM PST

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      •  I have talked to you about this in e-mail, and, I (1+ / 0-)
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        think I'll go along with Alice Walker on this and use the Ain't I a Woman" version since there is no way to know which (if either) version is completely accurate.  For reasons I have stated above, I don't think the "ain't I a Woman? phrase that was left out of the news article was fabricated and, since we can't know for sure, I think I agree with Alice Walker.

    •  Samdiener, thank you for this ... there are some (1+ / 0-)
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      differences between the versions clearly, but the general idea is similar in terms of what is addressed. I wish we had the original version when we put it up and we would have put that instead as I also find historical accuracy extremely important and do not like the idea of putting words in someone's mouth ... we wanted people to speak for themselves, so that has defeated the purpose. Thanks, sent your information to geminijen and myself.

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Thu Mar 08, 2012 at 06:13:13 PM PST

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      •  sorry for message repeat, but the 1st one did (0+ / 0-)

        not show up ... thanks

        "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

        by NY brit expat on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 04:10:41 AM PST

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      •  I appreciate (0+ / 0-)

        your willingness to reexamine it. Many folks, haven't been so open-minded. I'm still hoping Anthony Arnove will correct the mis-information in Voices from a People's History, for example.

        •  hey, I do history ... even more importantly, we (0+ / 0-)

          were trying to let these women speak; does sort of defeat the purpose a bit, no?

          "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

          by NY brit expat on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 03:20:36 PM PST

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    •  As I understand it Sam, there is no way to know (1+ / 0-)
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      which version of the Sojourna Truth speech is accurate.
      The version in the anti-slavery bugle, it is acknowledged, was edited also, probably to conform more to journalistic standards as most written pieces are.  This is no criticism of the paper or version.  The later version, while, as you pointed out, is suseptible to creator error and or embellishment do to memory lapses, if you read the opening intro written to this version, describing the whoel day and the audience reaction, Sojourna's interaction with the audience -- the woman who wrote it was leading the event and proabably wanted to include some of that spirit.  The phrase "Ain't I a woman" seems like just the rhetorical verbal response the speaker might casually throw out to the audience that wouldn't make it into a newspaper account. I find it had to believe that it was fabricated.  Also, many scholars, including Alice Walker, who is aware of the other account have chosen the Ain't I a Woman account to reproduce and reenact -- using the vernacular instead of the more sedate english in the newspaper.  

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