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better back off starting an unprovoked war in Iran.  The Israeli righties may think they can use this overblown issue to undermine the Obama presidency by forcing this unprovoked war down all our throats, using the Republican supported AIPAC to demand that President Obama do Israel's bidding and I say FU to all of them.  They are playing with peoples' lives, both Iranian, Israeli and American to provoke this confrontation based on nothing but rumor and innuendo, just like Bush/Cheney did with Iraq.

I, as an American Jew, will not stand silently by while the ultra right wing controlling Israel trumps this war up just in time for our next general election for president of the United States of America.  Where was this pressing issue last year or the year before or the year before that?  What, pray tell, suddenly made this a huge, pressing, immediate issue this year?  What's the new information that Israel has no one else has?  What could possibly be motivating this sudden escalation and demands of our country by Israel other than the re-election of President Obama looking more and more likely with every passing day?

I know for certain that many Orthodox Jews have hated this president from the day he took office and have been spreading LIES that he's out to destroy Israel when nothing could be further from the truth.  Because of President Obama, Israel has more weaponry and delivery systems from the U.S. than any other time in it's history.  President Obama has made it clear every day he's been in office that America is watching Israel's back and Netanyahu has treated him like a second class citizen.  Israel NEEDS America.  America doesn't need Israel.  Where's the respect for our country?  Where's the deference that should be paid to their most ardent supporter?  How dare they demand ANYTHING of us?

As an American Jew, I say do not buckle under to AIPAC and Republicans pretending to support Israel in this folly of invading Iran on a whim and an obvious political ploy to undermine the Obama Administration.  We've had enough wars of choice, Mr. President.  Please let the world know that America WILL NOT BE DRAGED INTO ANOTHER ONE just in time for our next general election.

Israel, stand down if you know what's good for you.  Stand down!


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  •  And the Bad News Is (13+ / 0-)

    That after the U.S. or Israel bombs Iran, Israel's security position will be worse than ever.

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:13:10 PM PST

    •  Totally true. Can't stick around to discuss - (5+ / 0-)

      sudden situation has come up.  Please talk this over and I'll get back in a few hours to rejoin.

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:18:15 PM PST

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      •  Buy Netanyahu Will Be Unbeatable (0+ / 0-)

        He could be the Putin of Israel.

        "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

        by bink on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:29:04 PM PST

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      •  Israeli intelligence is a joke (1+ / 0-)
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        Can anyone remember their so-called expert evidence leading up to the war on the people of Iraq.

        According to a Pew poll the two groups that most support an Israeli war on Iran are Conservative Repubs and White Evangelicals. At 75 and 70%.

        The corporate media that profits from war has been advocating war on Iran with lies and propaganda for many years. They have done a convincing job since normal people, who as a rule do not like war, are now evenly divided on having a war on Iran.

        Obama will have little to loose politically if he choose war. Even Democratic poiliticians are now shamelessly advocating war, since anti-war voice in the left have been mostly silent, they seem to have little to loose by joining the warmongers.

        War is costly. Peace is priceless!

        by frostbite on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 08:29:47 PM PST

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      •  Israel Does Not Need Another War! (0+ / 0-)

        You are absolutely correct Little Lulu! I rec'd, tipped, and hotlisted this diary.

        Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

        by rebel ga on Sun Mar 04, 2012 at 02:20:37 AM PST

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    •  Tough to fight a war (1+ / 0-)
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      against a country you don't border.  This would require overflights of Jordan, Syria and Iraq, with the danger that the violence will spread.  

      I remember as a young child watching on TV while Nikita Khrushev at the UN took off his shoe and started pounding his shoe on the podium, while he screamed "We will bury you!"  Not exactly the conduct of a sane man.  But he backed away from a nuclear war.  Are the mullahs who run Iran that crazy, and even more suicidal?

      "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

      by Navy Vet Terp on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:34:39 PM PST

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  •  So who is speaking for who here? (1+ / 0-)
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    And who was given that right?

    We delivered. They failed us. We have moved on. (h/t to my good friend)

    by gooderservice on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:17:19 PM PST

  •  This isn't exactly "unprovoked" (3+ / 0-)
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    This is not some right wing source:

    Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday called for Israel to be "wiped off the map"....

    "As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to the late founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Imam Khomeini.

  •  Tipped & rec'ed (3+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 05:31:19 PM PST

  •  Wow... that's pretty heavy language (4+ / 0-)
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    agrenadier, yaque, hester, RedPencil

    from an American Keyboard Warrior. What are you going to do to Israel if they don't "stand down"? I mean you said they "better" do it.  What if they don't?

    Where's the respect for our country?  Where's the deference that should be paid to their most ardent supporter?
    How about this lulu:
    Israeli President Shimon Peres on Thursday said that U.S. President Barack Obama is “a great president and a great friend of Israel,” and that security cooperation between the U.S. and Israel is “the best we’ve ever had.”

    In an hour-long interview with American broadcaster Charlie Rose, conducted before a large audience at New York’s 92nd Street Y, Peres said that he does not want to interfere in American politics, but he is stating his opinion on Obama “because it’s true,” adding that he has “the highest respect” for Obama for overseeing the current relationship between the two countries.

    Or maybe you missed this:
    Fareed Zakaria: You know that there are people in the United States who’ve criticized President Obama for not supporting Israel strongly enough. Do you believe that President Obama is a very strong supporter of Israel?

    Ehud Barak: He is extremely strong supporter of Israel in regard to its security. Traditionally, the president will support Israel in keeping its collective military edge and taking care of its security needs. But this administration is excelling in this. And it could not have happened without the immediate direct support of the president. So I don’t think that anyone can raise any question mark about the devotion of this president to the security of Israel.

    I guess the President and Defense Minister of Israel are just such ingrates... eh?

    lulu, just because a couple of whacknut people with Obama Derangement Syndrome go running around shooting off their mouths really doesn't mean shit. Jews support President Obama at far higher levels than the rest of the country.

    As for the blustery tone... you may say you are an American Jew but, if so - you don't know shit about Israel. Because the fastest way to get Israel to do something you don't like is to go after them like the way you are.

    •  Ehud Barak and Shimon Perez are not Bibi Netanyahu (4+ / 0-)
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      who stood in front of our Congress and denigrated our president.  And let's not forget that our vice president went to Israel to talk about a peace process and was greeted with expansions of illegal settlements as a public display of disrespect for our government.  If Israel feels entitled to do whatever they want in the way of attacking Iran based on rumors and they expect America to follow, they'd better wake up before it's too late.  Millions of American Jews like me and millions of just plain Americans WILL NOT SUPPORT ISRAEL in this folly.  They will lose their most important ally if they're not careful.  The American people do not want anymore war in the Middle East and they will only support Israel in protecting itself from an actual aggressor.  Not threats from mullahs who have no capability of launching anything like what America has in retaliation to protect an ally.

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 08:10:45 PM PST

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      •  Oh no... Peres is only the President (2+ / 0-)
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        and a former three time PM and Ehud Barak is only the Defense Minister. But why let that get in the way of the Narrative.

        You know what Lulu - I am having a hard time believing you are Jewish. I mean this comment:

        Millions of American Jews like me and millions of just plain Americans WILL NOT SUPPORT ISRAEL in this folly
        First of all, there are only six million of us in the U.S. and second of all most of us would not support you in this at all.

        Here are the numbers to back this up:

        18. If diplomacy and sanctions fail, would you support or oppose the United States taking military action against Iran to prevent it from developing nuclear weapons?

        Support 56
        Oppose 38
        Not sure 6

        19. If diplomacy and sanctions fail, would you support or oppose Israel taking military action against Iran to prevent it from developing nuclear weapons?

        Support 68
        Oppose 26
        Not sure 6

        Sorry I don't think you get this at all.
        •  volleyboy1, I couldn't care less if you believe (5+ / 0-)

          I'm Jewish.  It's just the way I was born.  Been that way all my life.  And the questions you've posted are clearly about diplomacy and sanctions FAILING, which hasn't been proven, especially RIGHT NOW.  Why now, volleyboy1?  Don't you find it somewhat suspicious that all this escalation in preventing Iran from nuclear capability is coinciding so well with our general election?  Why NOW?  What's different?  I find it very suspcious, to say the least and knowing Orthodox Jews who have been praying for a one term presidency for Barack Obama, I have no doubt this sudden demand to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon is the Israeli right wing attempting to answer those prayers.

          Best. President. Ever.

          by Little Lulu on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 08:40:39 PM PST

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        •  A quarter of 6 million is well over a million (1+ / 0-)
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          •  Opposition does not mean (1+ / 0-)
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            the course that lulu points out that Millions of American Jews would out in the streets. Most would say, "Well I don't agree with this" and that would be that. I would be curious to see that poll again once an attack was going.

            That said - I don't favor a strike right right now. I don't think it would accomplish any of it's goals.

            Personally, I agree with our President who said this, just this AM:

            "We all prefer to resolve this issue diplomatically," Obama said in an address at the pro-Israel lobby group AIPAC's policy conference in Washington.

            "Having said that, Iran’s leaders should have no doubt about the resolve of the United States, just as they should not doubt Israel’s sovereign right to make its own decisions about what is required to meet its security needs. I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say."          

            "That includes all elements of American power. A political effort aimed at isolating Iran; a diplomatic effort to sustain our coalition and ensure that the Iranian program is monitored; an economic effort to impose crippling sanctions; and, yes, a military effort to be prepared for any contingency."

            "Already, there is too much loose talk of war," Obama said. "Over the last few weeks, such talk has only benefited the Iranian government, by driving up the price of oil, which they depend upon to fund their nuclear program. For the sake of Israel’s security, America’s security, and the peace and security of the world, now is not the time for bluster; now is the time to let our increased pressure sink in, and to sustain the broad international coalition that we have built. Now is the time to heed that timeless advice from Teddy Roosevelt: speak softly, but carry a big stick."

  •  oh, for G-d's sake (3+ / 0-)
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    Stop acting like the whole freakin' state of Israel wants war. No one in my family over there wants it, nor is anyone I know screaming for war in the newspapers they write for. By the way, the word is "dragged," not DRAGED.
    Not all American Jews are alike, nor are all Israelis. Painting them all as warmongers is naive and intellectually lazy. And for shit's sake, stop acting like Israel is the only Middle East recipient of America's great largesse. Go do your homework.
    And f**k Netanyahu, while we're at it.

    Life is a shipwreck. But we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats. — Voltaire

    by agrenadier on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 06:16:55 PM PST

    •  agrenadier, thanks for correcting my spelling (5+ / 0-)
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      error.  Watch what happens when President Obama speaks in front of AIPAC and meets with Netanyahu.  According to THE NEW YORK TIMES, thousands at that meeting, along with Republican operatives like Lindsey Graham plan to exert tremendous pressure on President Obama to become more aggressive with his stance on Iran.  The saber rattling will escalate as we approach November if Israel doesn't launch preemptively for an October surprise.  This is a political calculation and nothing else, IMO.  There can be no other explanation as to the timing.  None.  Just give me one for all this insistence that suddenly Iran has nuclear capabilities.  Right now.  During our general election season.

      Best. President. Ever.

      by Little Lulu on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 08:02:08 PM PST

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  •  I AM AN AMEICAN JEW ... (4+ / 0-)
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    Lepanto, Little Lulu, Radical def, mkor7

    and I couldn't agree with you more!  

    The only reason the Christian Right (Republicans) stand with Israel, is because they are waiting for the Rapture to get into Heaven. And we all have to be in Israel before that happens. I'm gonna' try the Planet Kobol first, trying out my Magic Underpants! I'm sure I'll get to Kobol, because they will have already Baptized me ... yeah, me and Ann Franke (They're all NUTS!)

    •  It will also help them get away from their busted (0+ / 0-)

      budget deal that calls for a half trillion or so cut in the Defense budget, since to so many Americans, for various groups of reasons, Israeli security is a sort of special situation, and helping them with security will require serious cash if this gets beyond diplomacy. Cash the US budget does not presently have, if there is a US budget.

  •  thank you. (4+ / 0-)

    As a plain old American, I support you.

    That's all it takes, really...pressure and time.

    by Flyswatterbanjo on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 07:14:23 PM PST

  •  I think this Zionist is spot on ! (2+ / 0-)
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    Little Lulu, socalmonk

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 07:15:44 PM PST

  •  I suspect the postering by Netanyahu on Iran (6+ / 0-)

    is every bit as much about creating a more difficult re-election path for Obama as it is about addressing security concerns about Iran.

    I think the two really don't like each other...and I don't care what Peres or Barak say for public consumption.

    I also think it is unprecedented for Israel to push something like this upon a sitting president during an election year.  

    "By your late thirties the ground has begun to grow hard. It grows harder and harder until the day that it admits you.” Thomas McGuane, Nobody's Angel

    by Keith930 on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 07:24:39 PM PST

  •  Israeli predictions of when (10+ / 0-)

    Iran will have a nuclear weapon have been going on for the past 20 years.

    So wrong for so long.

    “Humankind can not bear very much reality.” - T.S. Eliot

    by truong son traveler on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 07:57:56 PM PST

    •  It's also forgotten how when the Shah (with his (6+ / 0-)

      human rights record ! puke !) was in power the US was in favor of Irani developing nuclear power and Israel was instrumental in helping it do so.

      The reason was that Iran needed to develop nuclear power so as to be able to export most of its oil instead of having to burn it to produce electricity - and in this it was supported by both the US and Israel.

      Now this is the very reason why Iran wants nuclear power now!

      The hypocrisy is unbelievable - no, I correct myself, when it's a matter of campaign contributions distributed to our corrupt Congresspersons the hypcrisy is perfectly in character. We have become a very sick country.

      We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

      by Lepanto on Sat Mar 03, 2012 at 08:31:22 PM PST

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