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Neck and neck in Ohio
Republicans have to feel a little dispirited about Ohio, even with polling showing an extremely tight race in the state's Republican primary today. That's extremely tight as in multiple polls have it tied, or Rick Santorum ahead within the margin of error, or Mitt Romney ahead within the margin of error. But it's not extremely tight in the excitement-building sense of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in 2008; rather, it's within the context of an Ohio electorate that remains pissed about Republican attacks on public worker unions and is giving Obama a lead in general election polling.

Voters soundly defeated Issue 2, which would have taken collective bargaining rights from public workers, in November, after a campaign that built capacity in the state for unions and the Democratic party and drew a strong bipartisan vote against a signature Republican issue:

"I am socially conservative, I am a registered Republican voter and voted a strict Republican ticket in 2010 - but I am voting with Democrats in '12," said Brian Barnhart, 33, a lieutenant with the Columbus fire department.

"The main reason is the attacks on workers that I have been seeing with the Republican Party," he said.

If the Issue 2 fight is likely to hurt Republicans in the general election, it's also probably not doing Mitt Romney any favors today; back in October, he angered some conservatives by visiting a Republican phone bank on Issue 2 and another ballot measure opposing health care reform, then saying "I’m not saying anything one way or the other about the two ballot issues ... But I am supportive of the Republican party’s efforts here," when he'd already formally endorsed the Republicans' Issue 2 effort months before. Add that to his many affirmations that he would have let the auto industry go bankrupt, as the revived auto industry adds jobs in Ohio, and it's no wonder he's not walking away with this thing.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 07:12 AM PST.

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  •  Here in NE Ohio We've Seen Absolutely No Signage (14+ / 0-)

    for Republicans driving around the Cleveland - Akron area.

    We voted today, turnout was light in the morning but very evenly split. I was #18 Democrat but #35 voter in my precinct.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 07:15:40 AM PST

    •  Where are you looking? (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Samer, Gooserock, shoeless, Kinak

      Northeast Ohio's four Paulies have blanketed the area with Ron Paul signs!

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 07:31:32 AM PST

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      •  Oh That's Right, Come to Think of It I Have Seen (1+ / 0-)
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        shoeless

        a couple of Ron Paul signs. But I've not been seeing local R primary signage.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:08:27 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  If the Rs Lose the Union Firefolk & Cops... (1+ / 0-)
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          earthling1

          ...maybe pasty old gringos in brand new pick up trucks will start getting pulled over on election day instead ... .

          That Giant Sucking Sound Is Wall Street Billionaires Drinking Your Blood.

          by olo on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:32:24 AM PST

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    •  On the (0+ / 0-)

      West side of the state we're seeing a lot of santorum signs. I guess this figures as this is a hard core conservative area.....

      "If fighting for a more equal and equitable distribution of the wealth of this country is socialistic, I stand guilty of being a socialist." Walter Reuther

      by fugwb on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:44:25 AM PST

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  •  "...and it's no wonder he's not (7+ / 0-)

    walking away with this thing."

    Agree.  Romney has some serious difficulties out there, including in Ohio.  

    It's just amazing how many millions of dollars he's had to spend just to try and knock out Newt and Santorum.  They're hardly major players.  

  •  I will really believe that Ohio voters ... (11+ / 0-)

    are mad when the GOP loses.

    How many times will people (union voters, women, minorities) vote against their own interests?

    "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

    by Candide08 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 07:19:53 AM PST

    •  That will happen. (12+ / 0-)

      Our biggest enemy is our pessimism and our unflinching belief that they can always beat us no matter how bad the climate for them. When we learn to stand up straight and believe in ourselves, we'll start to win more.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 07:32:31 AM PST

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      •  I hope so. (1+ / 0-)
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        happymisanthropy

        I am just cynical enough (understatement) to want to see it.

        Cash the check, wait for it to clear.

        "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

        by Candide08 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:11:33 AM PST

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      •  @ Our biggest enemy is our pessimism (3+ / 0-)
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        anastasia p, DSPS owl, Candide08

        absolutely agree...we are too timid, not militant enough to stand up for the things we believe in. Even when are 100% right , we seem to whisper, seem to apologize; we tend to think - well who is crazy enough to do that...but we have seen the GOP agenda since 2010...destroy the democratic party through legislation that they have enacted to essentially restrict access to the ballot box in several states.
        -Would you have believed that in 2010 in the United States we are seeking to restrict voting? Seeking bans on family planning?
        --Sometimes I "admire" the GOP for their militancy. They forge ahead, no second guessing even when they are dead wrong as they often are...if our side had their fervour we'd be in a lot better shape...

        "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

        by tuma on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:58:20 AM PST

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    •  Well They Crushed Repubs on Issue 2 (4+ / 0-)
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      Candide08, Sherri in TX, shoeless, olo

      though as you say that was an issue not an election for office.

      Let's hope the persuadable conservatives retain that thought and extrapolate from it in November.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:10:08 AM PST

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      •  I agree. But the 'pubs have been creshed... (1+ / 0-)
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        shoeless

        on issues before and "managed" to take the election.

        "persuadable conservatives" ?  There are such people??  ;)

        "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

        by Candide08 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:12:44 AM PST

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      •  I just can't viz ... Extrapolating Teahead ??? (0+ / 0-)

        That Giant Sucking Sound Is Wall Street Billionaires Drinking Your Blood.

        by olo on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:41:05 AM PST

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      •  Most if not all (1+ / 0-)
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        happymisanthropy

        of the folks I know that are employed by the schools (teachers and bus drivers) and the state workers were very pissed over Issue 2.  Most of them vote R right down the ticket, but they were wearing their Vote No on Issue 2 buttons proudly.  I talked to them (knowing they voted for kasich because a lot of them had yard signs) about how important it is to support those who support working families and that Issue 2 is just the tip of the iceberg. Now when I start discussing the 2012 elections they get that squirmy shit going on and their heads look ready to explode.  I'm afraid they can't connect dots between Issue 2, their congressperson, senator  and the repub candidates for president.........  

        "If fighting for a more equal and equitable distribution of the wealth of this country is socialistic, I stand guilty of being a socialist." Walter Reuther

        by fugwb on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 10:01:03 AM PST

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    •  anxious to see the numbers (0+ / 0-)

      I wonder how they are all doing with women right now.  

      I also wonder what happened to the republican women leaders.  They all seemed to disappear when Rush began and attacked Ms. Fluke.  Their silence was deafening.

  •  I still don't know what ballot to grab today.. (5+ / 0-)
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    Samer, shoeless, drmah, IM, pademocrat

    Do I grab a Dem and mail it in?

    Do I grab a Rep, Vote Santorum and hope it continues?

    Do I grab a Libertarian, Write in John Fockler, and cost Mandel a few points in November?

    Any thoughts?

    •  What district are you in? (10+ / 0-)

      If you are in Cuyahoga, please take a Democratic ballot and vote for Subodh Chandra in the prosecutor race. If you are in the new district 3 (Columbus) or 10 (Dayton), please vote Democratic in the congressional race for Mary Jo Kilroy (3) or Sharen Neuhardt (10).

      If you have any judges on your ballot, please learn about them. They are important!

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 08:26:05 AM PST

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    •  There are many important local races (1+ / 0-)
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      Dave in Northridge

      Because of Gerrymandering there are many Democrats running against each other for congress. The negative ads I've seen Dennis Kucinich and Marcy Kaptur running aginst each other make me sad, since I have huge respect for both of them.

      At the county level, like here in Portage County, there's an opportunity to vote out incumbent sheriff Dave Doak, a Tea Party endorsed "Democrat" running against actual Democrat P. Ken Howe, and a county commissioner race that is also important (former state rep Chandler is my pick there, against longitime incumbent Frederick and Dave Doak's buddy Angelo Battaglia.) I bet there are similar races in your county. I don't think voting for Santorum would make enough difference to bother.

      "I read this- Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of $#!^ I'm never reading again!"-Officer Barbrady

      by Broke And Unemployed on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:26:42 AM PST

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      •  Nope, Nothing Competitive.. (0+ / 0-)

        (Well, Except Supreme, But if Anastatia doesn't mention it, must be a walkover for one.. )

        Thinking Lib due to trying to get John his 500 to take some points from Mandel (Throw Him an Anchor)..

        But..

        •  But with Most Libs going Paul.. May not matter.. (0+ / 0-)

          Ugh.  Rep to keep the fun show, or Lib to try to help Dems..

          2 bad choices,

          Or Dem.. Walkovers everywhere, or No Candidate..

        •  It's not that it's a walkover but (1+ / 0-)
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          Losty

          neither is a BAD choice for Supreme Court. The endorsed Democrat is probably going to have an infinitely harder time winning, meaning the seat stays in GOP hands. So I voted for the non-endorsed candidate (There's a lengthy back story to all of this i won't go into).

          Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

          by anastasia p on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:45:55 AM PST

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  •  Classic Romney: (10+ / 0-)

    "I’m not saying anything one way or the other about the two ballot issues ... But I am supportive of the Republican party’s efforts here"

    I've never seen a more disgustingly spineless politician.

  •  Anybody want to try to define what a 'win' in (1+ / 0-)
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    shoeless

    Ohio means.......before the polls close?......Probably different things to different people.

  •  Multi Millions, Multi Choice, Multi Face Mitt (2+ / 0-)
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    AllanTBG, tuma

    who would have EVER thought that the poor baby would be so disliked by his own party?

    It's just a matter of time before the faithful in the Tea Party start tossing the flip-flops they saved from the Kerry campaign at him.  

    A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

    by jo fish on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:16:34 AM PST

  •  I glad to see Brian Barnhart (4+ / 0-)
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    fugwb, Kinak, happymisanthropy, pademocrat

    is going to vote Democratic this year. On what planet did he spend his first 31 years, that he didn't know Republicans hate unions?

    “Organized money hates me--and I welcome their hatred!” ― Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by shoeless on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:19:16 AM PST

  •  Working-Class Voters (1+ / 0-)
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    Kinak

    I just cannot see how a majority of working-class voters would vote for Romney, particularly given his position on the auto bailout.  In sharp contrast to GWB, Romney comes off as an out-of-touch investment banker -- a most reviled figure to working-class (and others for that matter) voters.  Bush at least could relate and speak the language of working people.

  •  How the Right does it. . . . (1+ / 0-)
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    Dave in Northridge

    All about the Right Wing, with Jerry Falwell quotation against Labor Unions:
    Politics in America:

    The Right Wing Attack on the
     American Labor Movement
    by Joanne Ricca, Wisconsin State AFL-CIO

    "This report documents the development of the New Right, its ideology and its strategy. In particular, it explains how the Right exploits single issues and manipulates religious faith to direct workers into voting for candidates who are a threat to their economic interests. Hopefully, this summary can serve as a framework for a larger, continuing discussion on how to challenge and defeat the Right."
    SNIP
    Rev. Jerry Falwell
    "Labor unions should study and read the Bible instead of asking for more money. When people get right with God, they are better workers."

    "I think we ought to take the shackles off business and get rid of outfits like OSHA [Occupational Safety and Health Administration]."
    http://web.archive.org/...

  •  Sad as it is, one of the Republican Candidates has (1+ / 0-)
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    NM Ray

    to win the primary in Ohio.  NONE OF THE ABOVE isn't on the ballot.

    •  Republicans are in favor of ABO for President (1+ / 0-)
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      drmah

      Anybody But Obama!

      They refuse to look at President Obama's record.  They refuse to listen to his speeches or his appeal to moderate voters.  They refuse to consider the contrast to what GWB left after the eight year disaster.

      Republicans refuse to look at the record of Trickle Down economics.  They refuse to consider the complete disaster of their Koch based economic theories.  They continue to revere their idol Reagan, but his policies would never be accepted in today's GOP.

      Today's Republican Party lives in a dream world that thinks that Newt Gingrich is an historian and Paul Ryan is an economic wunkerkind.  

      They refuse to accept they reality that they have created and so they sit and listen to Rush Limbaugh and call it "Entertainment"!

      Impeach Grover Norquist! Defeat a Republican!

      by NM Ray on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 10:16:55 AM PST

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  •  don't forget his 110% behind Kasich...when (1+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy

    called out, he then  tweeted he was 110% behind Kasich..

    back in October, he angered some conservatives by visiting a Republican phone bank on Issue 2 and another ballot measure opposing health care reform, then saying "I’m not saying anything one way or the other about the two ballot issues ... But I am supportive of the Republican party’s efforts here," when he'd already formally endorsed the Republicans' Issue 2 effort months before.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

    by tuma on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:43:04 AM PST

  •  Good Luck Ohio (1+ / 0-)
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    glbTVET

    Before you vote republican (for any reason),
    "Remember Wisconsin"

    That Giant Sucking Sound Is Wall Street Billionaires Drinking Your Blood.

    by olo on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:48:42 AM PST

  •  A sleeper awakes? (0+ / 0-)
    "I am socially conservative, I am a registered Republican voter and voted a strict Republican ticket in 2010 - but I am voting with Democrats in '12," said Brian Barnhart, 33, a lieutenant with the Columbus fire department.

    "The main reason is the attacks on workers that I have been seeing with the Republican Party," he said.

    I guess Barnhart hasn't been paying attention to the GOP for the recent past—like his entire lifetime!


    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
    Give 'em hell, Barry—Me

    by KingBolete on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 09:54:02 AM PST

  •  light bulbs are turning on? (0+ / 0-)

    we can only hope.

  •  Gooserock (1+ / 0-)
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    rserven

    I respectfully disagree. Drive to Jackson Twp in Canton. Go to the Yacht Club. (OK thats not what its called-I was being a snot. Its the Lake Cable Clubhouse.)

    What sign is out there? SANTORUM. Yup- all the rich conservatives in Jackson want that weird dude.

    Anyway- I did my civic duty and voted about an hour ago. I got put down for being transgender but out of these folks thats all in a day of their attitudes.

    2012- End of the world? Yes! For the Republicans. Affordable Care Act/Obamacare. Eat it REPUBLICANS.

    by glbTVET on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 10:08:58 AM PST

  •  "pissed" (0+ / 0-)
    an Ohio electorate that remains pissed about Republican attacks on public worker unions
    Believe me, "pissed" is putting it mildly.  At least here in Central Ohio, most people are absolutely livid.  Our Teabagging governor has also just turned down federal aid for the tornado damage part of the sate suffered last week.  He's a genius that is going to clobber the entire GOP for Ohioans.

    In 2010, I paid more taxes than General Electric.

    by GrogInOhio on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 10:27:31 AM PST

  •  Romney Has Used The Phrase (0+ / 0-)

    "Union Stooges" on a couple of occasions, most prominently in S. Carolina with its Boeing-union dispute.  In addition to be stupid, that is the kind of language that is not Presidential.

    •  corporate unions (0+ / 0-)

      Like ALEC, the American Medical Assoc.the US Chambers of Commerce, PhARMA, etc are not spoken of in todays discourse. Is there some ordinance, or am I the only one to dare speak of it ?

      The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

      by earthling1 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 01:13:09 PM PST

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  •  Love your weekend? (0+ / 0-)

    Thank a UNION, not a fatcat Republican.

    Private health insurance: a protection racket without the protection.

    by rustypatina on Tue Mar 06, 2012 at 11:12:19 AM PST

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