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Oh, not my religion.  Not being a college student.  Not anything you would THINK I should be ashamed of.

I'm ashamed of being a gamer today.

Yesterday, Mass Effect 3 came out.  And the nasty, brutish homophobia that still is in our society came out

(On the flip, more ranting.)

Ok, now I haven't played it, so I don't have an opinion on the game.  But when I see "OH NOES!  TEH GEY SECKS!!!!"  on almost 300 user reviews, I start getting just a little embarrassed to say I'm a gamer.  

Not only am I a gamer, I'm trying to become a designer.  Seeing this backward and vicious attack on a game for optional material... wait... I saw this before... when the FIRST game in the series came out....

Yup that's right, it's our old buddies at Fox News.  At least they've got everybody talking about teh gey again.  Admittedly there are a few people talking about "The ending sucks"  Which is interesting that people think that, considering they're posting that 2 hours after they bought a game which is supposed to be a 30-40 hour experience.

So, back to my original point.  WHAT THE FUCK is up with 20-40 year old males?  I thought we were over this crap!     I thought we were not being assholes about other people and living and let living?

Oh right, now it's being FORCED on us.  That's right, a gay sex option is apparently a forced choice.  Seems to me that some people need to understand that the option exists for people OTHER THAN YOU if you don't like it.

Hell, even Forbes is commenting on this.  As always, straight male gamers aren't complaining about the woman on woman romance scene... big surprise THERE.

Hell, maybe the game does suck.  I'll buy that.  Maybe EA and Bioware jumped the shark again.  I'll also buy THAT.  But tell me why it sucks from a critical, gaming, and generally helpful perspective.

Complain about teh geys... and I don't listen to you anymore.

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  •  Tip Jar (20+ / 0-)

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 07:04:46 AM PST

  •  Sorry to hit and run... (1+ / 0-)
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    BlackSheep1

    But I've got class in 1/2 hour.  Promise to be back to reply to comments around noon thirty PST.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 07:13:14 AM PST

  •  Sigh (7+ / 0-)

    They did that with Dragon Age - complaining about the possibility of the gay in the game. Its actually nice to be included in the storylines for once.

    (And yes, I've met many gamers who fear the gay for some reason. I don't get it.)

    The Spice must Flow!

    by Texdude50 on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 07:21:48 AM PST

    •  Didn't you know? (4+ / 0-)

      The gay, it leaks through your keyboard/mouse/joystick and the next thing you know you're in leather bars, but you're still getting rejected because you still have no social skills.[1]

      Duh.

      ... I was more amused by Tycho's reaction to it on the Penny Arcade website, which was basically "that's it?"

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      [1] "You" in this case is not directed at "you," but rather the hypothetical gamer who feels the need to rage about the acknowledgment of homosexuality in a computer game.

      The Baptist Death Ray (wrightc [at] eviscerati [dot] org) "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
      - Edward Young

      by The Baptist Death Ray on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 09:05:44 AM PST

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    •  I've heard speculation that some of the fear (1+ / 0-)
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      of gay people by men may be fear of being treated the way they treats women themselves.

      See also: the way booth babes and anyone mistaken for a booth babe can be treated at a gaming conference.

      But I'm not sure how that would account for fear of gay people and concepts within a fictional construct.

      Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

      by Cassandra Waites on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 09:26:17 AM PST

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      •  Oy, don't get me started... (0+ / 0-)

        Booth babes annoy the hell out of me.  When they show up, you can always tell they're there by the horde of awkward looking guys surrounding them...

        Course, I have huge problems with the corporate takeover of gaming in general.

        I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

        by detroitmechworks on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 12:40:26 PM PST

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    •  Yeah... (1+ / 0-)
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      Texdude50

      I don't understand the fear factor myself, but I have a few theories, mostly involving social awkwardness.

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 12:38:16 PM PST

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  •  It's a Bioware game, right? (3+ / 0-)

    Of course there's a gay male option.  Bioware has always had a gay male option, since at least KOTOR (and that was a special case, as the main romantic line was a critical plot element.)

    What did they expect?

    •  KOTOR actually... (1+ / 0-)
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      demimondian

      had the gay romance specifically edited out.

      To quote George Lucas:  There's no gay people in Star Wars.

      sigh... yeah, I know...

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 12:41:15 PM PST

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      •  Not surprised. (2+ / 0-)
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        detroitmechworks, demimondian

        I used to write fic on theforce.net's boards, and ye lord, the content rules that were roughly based on what was true to the original vision of Star Wars...

        There was actually an issue when Revenge Of The Sith came out based in the fact Revenge Of The Sith wouldn't have been allowed to be published in the fanfic forums because the rating was too high.

        (About half the novels and most of NJO wouldn't have been allowed, either. I seem to recall there being a chart at some point.)

        Allowed relationships were based on what Lucas permitted in the movies and books, meaning there was an actual bestiality policy whereby two members of differing sentient species of close physical and biological similarity counted as disallowed but two members of differing sentient species that could barely coexist within the same general ecology was fine because of a ten to twenty page story in an obscure official collection most Star Wars fans never heard of. Forget same gender relationships.

        So yes, in official Star Wars written materials, homosexuality doesn't exist but strange interspecies combinations are fine... so long as one partner is whatever is locally referred to as male and the other is whatever is locally referred to as female. (I'm not sure there's ever been a species introduced that wasn't binarily gendered.)

        Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

        by Cassandra Waites on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 01:03:30 PM PST

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      •  It was edited out? (0+ / 0-)

        I didn't know that.  I thought that it was done for plot reasons (as the relationship played such a key role in the final boss battle.)  I'm disappointed.

  •  Homophobia (3+ / 0-)

    is a big part of gaming.

    So is misogyny.

    I'm a female gamer, and I've had to deal with it a lot. And I've also, shamefully, caught myself saying things like, "Wiping to Kel'thuzad is GAY!" on Ventrilo or guild chat.

    Now, I am not anti-gay. At all. I believe in full and undisputed rights and equality for LGBT folks. I don't even closely KNOW a gay person, and I believe that.

    But the homophobia is deeply ingrained in gaming vernacular, I'm afraid, and if you've been playing games for as long as I have, you don't even realize it when it comes out of your mouth. The little kids who scream and cuss on Xbox Live about how everything is gay don't really KNOW what they are saying. They don't know why they use"gay" to mean "bad." They are just using the term because everyone else does. They learn it from us older gamers, who in turn learned it from the gamers who came before us (which includes the table-top gamers of yore).

    It's so deeply ingrained in the culture that I'm not really sure how to stop it at this point. I am a guild leader in TOR and what I have to do now is think about what I say in Ventrilo or Guild chat before I say/type it. And as a guild leader, I stop that language in guild chat from my other members. I have made it very clear that I don't accept homophobic and misogynistic language in guild chat. If more guild leaders did that, and put their foot down when it happens, we would slowly start making the language disappear from MMOs, at least. FPS and Xbox Live chat? That's a LOT harder...

    •  I hear you... (0+ / 0-)

      Course it's just like anything else that's offensive... IMHO.  If you don't call people out on it, they'll continue to do it, and justify it with "Well you weren't offended BEFORE!"

      I just try to avoid people who do use homophobic and misogynistic slurs, and don't play with them.

      Course most of my gamer friends are gay/women or both... yeah, I have an unusual social circle...

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 12:43:20 PM PST

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  •  ugh (4+ / 0-)

    There was some sort of gamer reality show based on some fighting game players who were all living in a house or on the moon or something, and the neckbearded mouthbreathers they had on that show were amazing assholes.

    There were a few women on the show, and during one episode, the team lead for one of the teams, who is also a game developer at a larger studio, spent nearly half an hour defending misogyny as part of the fighting games culture and stating that fighting games were the only place these troglodytes could "relax" and "be themselves" which apparently means yelling homophobic, racist, and sexist slurs at fellow gamers or screaming at female players that they are going to get raped and enjoy it.

    So yeah, that whole thing made me ashamed of my subculture too. Its like we're one of the last bastions of utterly reprehensible behavior and then complain that no one wants to hang out in our Fort of Intolerance.

    •  What really bugs me... (0+ / 0-)

      is that when you attempt to call em out on it, you get accused of "being politically correct" or some other term which suggests that you're trying to ruin the fun.

      IMHO, it's STILL fun to be considerate, and it expands the number of people you can play with!

      Jeez, social skills, guys!  They AREN'T hard, and make things fun!

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 12:44:46 PM PST

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      •  PC isn't an insult (2+ / 0-)

        Yep. Oh, stop being so PC!

        The hell? It is just good manners and common sense not to insult people you're supposed to be having fun with.

        The thing I'd like a lot of fighting game guys to realize is that their trouble with women stems from the behavior. If they would quit seeing women as sex objects and actually try getting to know them as fellow humans, they'd be a lot more likely to get invited out to things other than gaming.

        Oh, but maybe I've just hit the nail on the head.

  •  So how is the gameplay? Did they do a (1+ / 0-)
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    better job than ME 2?

    There is no saving throw against stupid.

    by Throw The Bums Out on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 09:23:03 AM PST

    •  No idea... (0+ / 0-)

      Spent the 70 bucks on a pass to GDC for Friday.  Gonna go and try to get a job.

      I hear it's good, but the story sucks.  Course that's from the same "Geys are ruining it" crowd, so I'm ignoring them.

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 12:45:44 PM PST

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  •  EA sucks? (2+ / 0-)
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    detroitmechworks, kalmoth

    Who knew?

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Wed Mar 07, 2012 at 01:16:00 PM PST

  •  I hate ME3.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....and I played it no-romance.  It wasn't until today that I even learned about the controversy.  Most of the ME fans I know hate ME3, too, but not for the romance choices. It's mostly the crappy ending to the series that angers us.  It's a direct steal of the ending from the Matrix series crossed with the Babylon 5 ending.  No big battles, no ancient artifacts changing the course of the war.  Nope.  Crappy ending, bad writing.

    I believe (I always play rpgs without romance, true of all the ME games for me, so I can't speak with authority) lesbian relationships were possible in ME2, though someone online said they were possible in ME1.

    Forbes to the contrary, it doesn't seem to be that big a deal with most players.  Only about 1/30 comments I've read on gamer forums mention the subject at all.  It's the weird no-ending ending that ME gamers hate.  The forums at Bioware only had a couple mentions of it.  9/10 of the negative posts were about the horrid god-child/omnipotent/deus-ex-machina/being-thing popping up at the last moment and ruining everything.

    I'm sure Forbes and its owner (Newscorp, a lying-Murdock company) would like the American people to believe that the gamer community is up in arms over the gay romance options in ME3.  Doesn't make it true.

    Please feel free to HR me for my informative and argumentative nature. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

    by rbird on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 04:00:44 PM PST

    •  Here's what I consider to be a typical review.... (0+ / 0-)

      ...from Metacritic....

      I had to sign up just to review this game. This was such a huge disappointment. I love Mass Effect and have put countless hours into the first 2 games and I was so excited for Mass Effect 3. I had multiple Shepards ready to go but after the terrible ending I doubt I'll be importing them. I don't even want to replay the first two games anymore. The game was wonderful right up till the end, if it hadn't been for those horrible endings I would have given this game a much higher score. The combat was great, the story up till then was great, the relationship between Shepard and squadmates was great, it was a terrific game. Then the endings ruined it and made you feel like all the choices you made really didn't matter after all. They were bleak and depressing, didn't really even make sense, and left many more questions than answers. And everyone gets to choose from the same three terrible endings no matter what choices you made throughout the three games. It was just depressing. Shepards story deserved a much better ending than this.

      Please feel free to HR me for my informative and argumentative nature. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

      by rbird on Fri Mar 09, 2012 at 04:08:42 PM PST

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