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Check this out at the VI GOP's website:

Paul gets more votes, but Romney gets more delegates. So, what do you think the headline will say: Paul wins VI... or Romney?

Something tells me the popular vote won't count in this one. (I'm no Paultard, but if they change the rules here it does say something.)

How can you read that Paul gets the most votes but gets 1 delegate, but Romney get seven and not start to wonder if the fix is in.

7:44 PM PT: Look, I know this is how it always is. I'm asking who gets the headline.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    GOP: The Party of Acid rain, Abortion of the American Dream, and Amnesty for Wall Street.

    by Attorney at Arms on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 06:36:22 PM PST

  •  I'm confused. So delegates just get to pick what (5+ / 0-)

    they want to do v. somehow following the vote numbers?

    If that's the case, why bother?

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 06:47:16 PM PST

    •  Because people are deceived (2+ / 0-)
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      cany, Trotskyrepublican

      into thinking that their vote counts, when it really doesn't? It's the same with the Democratic party as the Republican party. There is no such thing as "democracy" within the parties. The Democratic party is not a 'democracy', nor is the Republican party. They are private organizations, privately owned, privately run. If the central committee decides that the nominee will be Felix the cat, and every registered party member in the country outside the central committee disagrees, then Felix the cat will be the party nominee.

      This system worked for decades because the popular vote at least determined the "media narrative", which in turn determined the nominee. But the past couple of elections, we're starting to see that people won't just accept any candidate any more. They are digging their heels, and the media narrative has lost some of its power. So now, the delegate count actually matters.

      "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

      by randomfacts on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 07:40:30 PM PST

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      •  But I LIKE Felix the Cat. (4+ / 0-)

        He's a wonderful, wonderful cat. I laugh so much, my sides ache, my heart goes pit a pat.

        Fair's fair. I don't vote in your church; don't go preaching in my government New video: "The Future Just Ain't What It Used to Be"

        by Crashing Vor on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 08:45:11 PM PST

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      •  well obviously it doesn't work like this (0+ / 0-)

        everywhere, as we have just seen, but it IS interesting that the entire primary has been a concert of counting errors and gifting of delegates (MI) when Romney whines.

        I suppose we all knew from the start who the nominee would be when the establishment support made it clear, but there have been so many twists and turns this time that it's been one wild ride! They could name a roller coaster after this primary season.

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 09:26:53 PM PST

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  •  Interesting story... (3+ / 0-)
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    pat208, shenderson, Boise Grad

    ...but you lost me at "Paultard".

  •  The votes were for delegates not for candidates (6+ / 0-)

    Their system was set up with different delegates claiming they would vote for different candidates. The popular vote counted all of the votes for delegates who pledged to vote for the various candidates. Seven delegates pledged their support for Paul but only three listed Romney. So Paul total vote total was split amongst seven people and only one finished in the top six. All three of Romney's finished in the top six. One of the top six was uncommitted but after the vote declared for Romney. The other top six finisher remained uncommitted.

    Romney's other three delegates are super delegates.

    So while Paul's team got more votes than Romney's team, Romney's votes were consolidated and more useful. Running fewer delegates made sure that any Romney supporters would be voting for the same delegates. As only the top six delegates would go to the RNC convention, by having seven declared delegates, Paul's team diluted their votes and made it harder for any one of them to win.

  •  The popular vote never counts. (1+ / 0-)
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    shenderson

    Paul voters in particular love nothing more than to brag out they overturned the popular vote-- in fact, that's their entire strategy for winning the nomination as it's the only thing that they are good at.

    Here are some quotes from today from the Paul forums:

    In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.  

    In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.

    In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.

    Just got back from my caucus. Here are the results:

    Gingrich: 13
    Romney: 10
    Paul: 4
    Santorum: 4

    My caucus vote was cast for Ron Paul.

    Here’s the problem for the Romney people. My precinct was allotted 5 delegates to the county convention, 4 of the 5 selectees (of which I was one) were Paul supporters.

    We were also allowed 2 delegates to the state convention, I was one and another Ron Paul supporter was the second, our alternate to the state convention was also a Paul supporter.

    Same boat for us - we both got delegate positions to the County Assembly (our county only elects delegates to the Congressional and State Assemblies at the County Assembly) and the third delegate position was awarded to an RP supporter. As was 1 alternate. Two alternates were not RP supporters.

    So we got 26.6% of the straw poll vote, but 100% of the primary delegates and 33% of the alternates.

    My caucus (about 60 people showed up):

    Paul: 5
    Romney: 17
    Gingrich: 11
    Santorum: 23

    I got elected as delegate for county, cd5 and state. Also reluctantly made the precinct leader. So barely 9% in the straw poll, but at least 33% in the state delegate win.

    So basically even if Paul "wuz robbed" here, it would only be poetic justice.

    In a national popular vote primary, Romney would surely emerge with the plurality of the GOP vote, and by that standard, he is the rightful nominee.

    "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

    by randomfacts on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 07:35:11 PM PST

  •  Uncommitted "won" (0+ / 0-)

    but the one uncommitted candidate who switched to Romney puts Romney ahead of Uncommitted and Paul.

    Romney had 3 candidates, who all won, and averaged around 33 votes per candidate.

    Paul had 6 candidates, one of whom won, and they averaged 18.6 votes per candidate

    Romney and Uncommitteds worked together to prevent Paul candidates from winning. That's how these things work sometimes.

    The Ron Paul delegates were heavily St. Thomas, and the Romney/Uncommitteds were mainly St. Croix.

    But it's all a conspiracy against Ron Paul, i'm sure, and not a regional split

    The Republican Party isn't a party of small government, it's a party of a government for the few. @bhindepmo

    by RBH on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 09:23:46 PM PST

  •  This is a completely fucked system (2+ / 0-)
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    ehstronghold, Bharat

    I have no significantly greater affection for Rep. Paul than I have for the other Three Stooges. But this is a fundamentally undemocratic system and the USVI Republican Party ought to be ashamed of themselves.

    The fix is in. But I hope they know we are going to destroy Mitt Romney. We are going to absolutely demolish him. After seeing how the Republicans lied about our president in 2010, there will be no mercy.

    Democrat, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

    by SaoMagnifico on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 09:50:26 PM PST

  •  Can someone tell me which of these things... (3+ / 0-)

    Is more fucked up?

    1. The U.S. Virgin Islands can vote in the primary but not for president.

    2. Rep. Paul won with all of 112 votes.

    3. Actually Paul didn't win, "uncommitted" won.

    4. Even though Paul garnered the most votes of the candidates, Romney won 7x as many delegates.

    5. 384 people voted to award nine delegates.

    Because I can't decide.

    Democrat, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

    by SaoMagnifico on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:15:51 PM PST

    •  no candidates were on the "ballot" (0+ / 0-)

      it was a "Vote for 6" delegates kind of system.

      I explained it a bit above.

      The Republican Party isn't a party of small government, it's a party of a government for the few. @bhindepmo

      by RBH on Sat Mar 10, 2012 at 10:27:33 PM PST

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    •  Anyone who remembers 2008 (1+ / 0-)
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      Wee Mama

      remembers that democrats had primaries  and caucuses in US possessions, as they do every election year.

      There is also a category called Democrats Abroad, who get delegates at every Dem convention. Republicans don't have a counterpart for that. There is much to mock republicans for, but including voters in US possessions in the presidential nominating process isn't one of them.

      •  I don't think that's mock-worthy... (0+ / 0-)

        And that alone of the five isn't the Republican Party's fault. I think it's ridiculous that we allow territories to participate in part of the process, but come November, they're disenfranchised altogether.

        Democrat, OR-01 native, Swingnut for life, and keeper of the DKE glossary.

        by SaoMagnifico on Sun Mar 11, 2012 at 11:04:24 AM PDT

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  •  So, dumb question (0+ / 0-)

    Has there been any media reporting at all on the results?

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