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It has been a long time since I did a diary here.  I lurk and read Black Kos...the only diary I post in.....but I ran across a bit about Karen Santorum that made me wonder.  I post it here to have some conversation about the turns our lives take as women and how wrong it is for us not to give other women the same right to choose......did you know that Karen Santorum lived with a man, forty years her senior, prior to her marriage to Rick Santorum?  Did you know that this man is a physician and a founder of Pittsburgh's first abortion clinic?  More after the squiggly thing...

Karen Santorum was a law student at the University of Pittsburgh where she met her future husband who was recruiting her to work at Kirkpatrick & Lockhart. Karen was not the Christian-zealot Santorum initially wanted, but that would come as her reasoning would be transmogrified into obedience. As a nursing student at Duquesne University, Karen Santorum lived with Tom Allen, an obstetrician-gynecologist (op-gyn) who was 40 years her senior in age (she was twenty and the doctor sixty years of age) and had in fact delivered her, and had cofounded Pittsburgh’s first abortion clinic.  At the time that she had the sexual affair with Allen, Karen Garver (Santorum) was pro-choice.  When she met Rick Santorum, she was eager and delighted to tell Dr. Allen that Rick Santorum was pro-choice.  As Dr. Allen told a Pennsylvania newspaper in 2005 (see Philadelphia Citypaper):

“When she moved out to go be with Rick, she told me I’d like him, that he was pro-choice and a humanist,” said Allen, an elderly but vibrant man, during a brief conversation on the porch of his Pittsburgh row home. “But I don’t think there’s a humanist bone in that man’s body.”

Blog Link(Rick Santorum, Opus Dei, Roman Catholicism and USA democracy and freedom)

I do not condemn Mrs. Santorum for her early life.  Who has not done things, later regretted?   I am concerned about people who crusade against the right of others to make similar exploratory choices and learn from them.

This information is part of a remarkable article written on the connections between the Santorum's and Opus Dei.  I highly recommend reading the whole article....and coming back to discuss......tell me what you think?

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  •  You know, there is something I find unsettling (8+ / 0-)

    about the dive into Karen Santorum's life.

    I don't know why she married Rick, but she did. I'm not going to question that.

    I think it's sick how people have tried to use her past against her. I understand the cries of "hypocrisy," they are legitimate.

    But she has a right to live her life as she sees fit.

    For whatever reason she decided to marry Rick, I'm not going to judge. She married a backwards asshat. That was her choice.

    It's not the choice I would've made, but I'm not going to condemn her for it. I think we should back off. Rick gives us enough ammo. There's no need to go after his wife.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 03:13:17 PM PDT

  •  Apparently Karen Is One Of Rick's Converts...... (7+ / 0-)

    Over the dinner table, her dad was the one who converted Rick.  Her dad thought it would be good politically for Ricki to be pro life.  And.....so the monster was hatched.

    •  anyone click on the blog link? It is remarkable. (2+ / 0-)
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      "Fear is the Mind Killer"--Frank Herbert

      by vmm918 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 03:25:22 PM PDT

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      •  I did... (4+ / 0-)
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        http://arthuride.wordpress.com/...

        It's very lengthy and I'll go back to it later.

        I have read some of the accounts covered in the article and I'm amazed that the GOP is allowing this radicalized religious zealot to get as far as he has.

        He's a very disturbed person and has attached himself to a very extreme faction of the Catholic church.

        When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 03:33:22 PM PDT

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      •  It's a mixture of truths, half-truths, (0+ / 0-)

        innuendo, paranoid ravings, and lies, with the occasional pseudointellectual foray into psychological references from the early 1900s. It's as bizarre as Santorum himself. While it can provide interesting avenues of inquiry to be explored using better sources, I wouldn't use it to support any arguments here and expect to gain any credibility. If it were to be published here it should get the author banned.

        •  do you think what i quoted was untrue? (0+ / 0-)

          "Fear is the Mind Killer"--Frank Herbert

          by vmm918 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 08:59:25 PM PDT

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          •  No. I don't know the quoted part to be true or (0+ / 0-)

            false, but it is consistent with other reports. My objection is to the repeated description of the blog post as "remarkable," which you seem to mean in a positive way.  If in fact you mean "crazy as a bedbug," then I heartily agree.

            In its entirety, the linked post strikes me as the incoherent ramblings of someone with too much time on his hands and no ability to discriminate between fact and fantasy, let alone between good and bad sources. It is so poorly organized and written that taking it apart point by point would take more time than I have tonight or want to spend at any time, but suffice to say that his links often don't support the point he's trying to make, and his most egregious stuff has no links at all. (Linking Santorum's view on working women to the Kaiser and Hitler? Really?)

            Please understand: I think Santorum is a dangerous man who would be a complete disaster as president. But the Ide post is also a disaster of illogic and paranoia. We do not need to credit such embarrassing displays in our opposition to the Santorum campaign. The truth is quite enough.  

            •  see anastasia's post below...... (0+ / 0-)

              re comparisons......

              She shared more stories about being a young woman in wartime Germany, seeing people die when a building wall collapsed on them after a bombing, spending a night in Stuttgart with a mother and 8-year-old daughter who had both been gang raped by soldiers and the little girl had not talked since then and never let go of her mother even to go to the bathroom, about not feeling free to ever say anything as a foreign national, despite being declared technically "Aryan" by the German government, which she described as controlling every aspect of life.

              Then she said, "When I hear Rick Santorum speak, I am reminded of Hitler."

              She pointed to that same desire to regulate everyone's everyday life and put fear into them if they did not comply.

              "Fear is the Mind Killer"--Frank Herbert

              by vmm918 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 11:13:06 PM PDT

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              •  Sorry. Santorum as Hitler is not the rabbit hole (0+ / 0-)

                I plan to follow anyone down.  

                Moreover, that comment has nothing to do with my own, concerning Ide's linking of Santorum's view on working mothers -- a widely held though not majority view -- to Hitler and the Kaiser. That's crazy talk that detracts from other sound arguments against him, and Ide's piece is full of such talk.

    •  Bingo (4+ / 0-)
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      I think this diary is valuable by being more than "diving into Karen Sentorum's private life." It is an opportunity to unearth some important points revealing the HYPOCRICY of these holy rolling political candidates, for example. They don't believe a thing they are saying. They are using it to get elected:

      Her dad thought it would be good politically for Ricki to be pro life
      (emphasis is mine)

      Likewise, it is a known fact that Joseph McCarthy neither knew nor cared about "communists." He used it for political power, following a priest's advice.

      "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

      by zenox on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 03:27:52 PM PDT

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    •  Santorum is responsible (2+ / 0-)
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      for the conversion of Governor Brownback.

      When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

      by msmacgyver on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 03:29:18 PM PDT

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  •  You need to fix your diary. (5+ / 0-)

    Karen's doctor was 40 years her senior, not "twenty". He delivered her and somewhere I read an excerpt where it was quite obvious he knew her as a child because he described her personality.

    I think it's safe to assume both Rick and Karen are mentally ill in multiple ways. There's a mountain of evidence to this effect.

  •  I find psychology interesting... (3+ / 0-)
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    I mean, I have just wondered what happened in the minds of both Santorums to drive them to such an extremist ideology.  Certainly not something Karen S. held to when young; but neither apparently did Rick S.

    It is not unusual for people to drift to being somewhat more conservative after marriage and kids - but the Santorums seem to have gone right off the cliff.  And I wonder what can cause that dramatic a change in a person.

    •  My sense is that Rick is sex-averse (4+ / 0-)
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      Maybe he has guilt-tripped Karen in order to avoid having sex with her. But I think his contention that it's immoral for MARRIED couples of have sex unless they are open to procreation is strange. I have to wonder if they have limited their sex life so they don't have more children than they do. I mean, seven is a fair number, but there are two- and three-year gaps. Did they refrain from sex for long periods, the way he wants the rest of us to do? I wouldn't care except that he wants to impose this on everyone.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 05:12:02 PM PDT

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      •  I'm puzzled about rick santorum's choice of a (5+ / 0-)
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        "trophy wife", a very pretty , slim, blonde (read something about her desire to be slim for the campaign)

        So what does that say? He wants her to be desirable in the conventional way, an accessory.  That is no small feat for someone of her age with so many children.  I daresay it would be impossible if they weren't rich.  He wants her to be sexy.  The smooch he gave her after winning Alabama and Mississippi was passionate.

        This idea that he is authentic is crap.  He is an ambitious, ruthless politician who sees a way to gain power.  He is dangerous.

        All that business about deregulating pro wrestling goes hand in hand with a sadistic bent.

  •  I don't understand this: (0+ / 0-)
    I do not condemn Mrs. Santorum for her early life.  Who has not done things, later regretted?
    Why would anyone condemn her for her early life? Because she lived with an older man? Huh?

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 04:35:42 PM PDT

  •  Good job. (1+ / 0-)
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    It might warrant a follow-up diary if you researched the Santorums a little more deeply, and researched the kind of pathology that becomes more and more apparent in them as their private faces go public.

    I have questioned Rick's sexual orientation for years. He may be sex-adverse or gay, either of those making for uncomfortable if not impossible circumstances when one is a conservative Catholic running for political office.

    •  thanks Crose, (0+ / 0-)

      I seldom diary anymore....but this was such a curiosity for me...that I wanted to hear what other's thought....i am currently living in Germany, in a town where there are plaques on the sidewalk commemorating the Jewish citizens who were snatched off the streets at certain spots.....i am in no mood to take wannabe fascists lightly......

      "Fear is the Mind Killer"--Frank Herbert

      by vmm918 on Sun Mar 18, 2012 at 11:18:14 PM PDT

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