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For anyone interested in the politics of the Great White North (and, after all, I follow most of your silly elections), it's By-election Night in Canada!

Specifically, the electors of Toronto-Danforth voted today for a new Member of Parliament to take the seat formerly held by the late Jack Layton. And in a not-surprising but welcome result, Craig Scott of the NDP has been elected.

More past the NDP-orange squiggle.

Toronto-Danforth lies deep in the heart of Toronto and has been held by either the NDP or the Liberals since 1979. Layton won it narrowly in 2004 but built it into a stronghold in the following three elections.

Scott is a rookie in electoral politics but has an impressive resumé in international law and human rights law. (He also happens to be a native of Nova Scotia, I'm proud to say.)

9:33pm EDST: It's official, the Liberal candidate has conceded. With 43% of polls reporting, Scott has 58.1% to 29.8% Liberal. The Cons and the Greens are running neck-and-neck around 5% each.

WOOHOO!

11:32pm EDST: With all polls reporting, it's NDP: 59.4%, Lib. 28.5%, Con. 5.4%, Green 4.7%, all others under .5%. 43.4% turnout, which is not bad for a by-election. An overwhelming mandate for Craig.

Originally posted to Wreck Smurfy on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 06:47 PM PDT.

Also republished by Canadian Kossacks.

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  •  Tip Jar (15+ / 0-)

    -8.38, -7.74 My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. - Jack Layton

    by Wreck Smurfy on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 06:47:00 PM PDT

  •  Current standings in Parliament as of tonight: (5+ / 0-)

    Cons: 165; NDP: 102; Libs: 35; Bloc Québécois: 4; Greens: 1; Independent Con: 1.

    Nothing changes so far as the balance of power is concerned. But a win is a win.

    -8.38, -7.74 My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. - Jack Layton

    by Wreck Smurfy on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 06:55:05 PM PDT

  •  I have a newspaper app (2+ / 0-)
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    paul2port, Wreck Smurfy

    And even though I have about ten US papers listed under favorites, the Globe and Mail is really the only one I read consistently.Following politics as an outsider is fascinating. One of my favorite things about studying for a year in London was reading one of the four daily broadsheets and learning about a Parliamentary system. At first, I thought the "shadow government" was some scandalous conspiracy that had just broken.

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:09:31 PM PDT

    •  One of the great things about being in opposition (1+ / 0-)
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      slothlax

      is being a member of the "shadow cabinet". It's like a legitimate entrée to some sort of conspiracy. And in a way, I suppose it is.

      -8.38, -7.74 My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. - Jack Layton

      by Wreck Smurfy on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:26:22 PM PDT

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  •  O Canada! (2+ / 0-)
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    Wreck Smurfy, Bear

    I find Canadian politics, especially at the provincial level, a little hard to follow because I think your main voting blocs break down differently than in the States.

    But it also seems that in some ways your entire country is a bit ahead of us when it comes to widespread acceptance of the notion that everyone should be treated with fundamental human decency.

    And your national anthem is the most singable in the whole world.  

    I hope you'll keep posting here until you find a large audience.

    •  Yes, most provincial politics, especially in (2+ / 0-)
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      Bob Duck, Korkenzieher

      Québec and the West, break down very differently.

      It's worth noting that Craig Scott is openly gay, and will now become one of nearly a dozen openly gay members of our Parliament.

      I'm mostly "meh" on 'Oh, Canada'. The English lyrics are awful compared to the French. But I once heard it performed live by an orchestra, with the tympani intro, and it genuinely moved me. It's more singable than 'The Star Spangled Banner', but almost anything is.

      I've been posting on occasion for 5 or 6 years. Glad you like it, but it's your site. I consider myself just a guest.

      -8.38, -7.74 My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. - Jack Layton

      by Wreck Smurfy on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:37:21 PM PDT

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      •  Guest (1+ / 0-)
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        Wreck Smurfy

        I think it's really useful to have English-speaking fellow North Americans tell us how insane we are from time to time. Don't be shy about posting something that's strictly an American topic. A Canadian perspective on subjects as disparate as foreign policy and health care is most welcome. It's nice to have a bit of fresh air from your direction that doesn't bring snow or bitter cold.

        The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

        by Korkenzieher on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:23:50 AM PDT

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  •  see now in a sane polity (1+ / 0-)
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    Wreck Smurfy

    these are the kind of electoral results you get:

    9:33pm EDST: It's official, the Liberal candidate has conceded. With 43% of polls reporting, Scott has 58.1% to 29.8% Liberal. The Cons and the Greens are running neck-and-neck around 5% each.

    I might even have use for electoral politics in such a polity.  But we are so very very far away from that in the US, that my concentration has to be on the elements of civil society necessary to make such an electoral politics possible.

    The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges. ~ Anatole France

    by ActivistGuy on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:21:26 PM PDT

  •  Republished to Canadian Kossacks (1+ / 0-)
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    Wreck Smurfy

    and thx for the update. I sure Jack would be happy.

    You could be listening to Netroots Radio. "We are but temporary visitors on this planet. The microbes own this place" <- Me

    by yuriwho on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:22:22 PM PDT

    •  Thanks. I was hoping you would. (1+ / 0-)
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      yuriwho

      And yes, Jack's memory is honoured tonight.

      -8.38, -7.74 My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. - Jack Layton

      by Wreck Smurfy on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:43:53 PM PDT

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  •  I live in Toronto-Danforth... (2+ / 0-)
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    slothlax, Wreck Smurfy

    ...so I am a happy duck tonight.

    "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

    by Bob Duck on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:52:29 PM PDT

  •  Questions for the Canadians (2+ / 0-)
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    Wreck Smurfy, yuriwho

    Do you think the NDP is at a peak right now or do they have a realistic shot at forming a government in the next election or two? It seems to me they can't possibly repeat their sweep of Quebec next time and I can't see how they could cover losses there and pick up enough seats to oust the Conservatives. Are merger or coalition talks in the air? Is merger/coalition even an issue in the leadership elections? Are the Liberals dead or just rebuilding? Could the Conservatives gain even more seats in the next election?

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 07:55:29 PM PDT

    •  OK, that's a whole lot of questions. (1+ / 0-)
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      slothlax

      First, the outcome of the leadership convention this weekend will make a big difference. Personally, I'm supporting Mulcair/Ashton/Nash. I have lots of reasons, but I believe Mulcair has the best chance of holding Québec. And he will be the leader best to stand against the Cons, IMO.

      WRT merger, I would rather die than merge with the Libs. This is why I don't support Cullen. The Libs are a dying party. I say, let them die and make the political landscape plain: a social-democratic party vs. a capitalist party. I know it would go our way without the mamby-pamby Lib so-called "middle-ground". I've already seen it here on the provincial scene in Nova Scotia.

      -8.38, -7.74 My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. - Jack Layton

      by Wreck Smurfy on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 08:14:06 PM PDT

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      •  I get resistance to a merger (1+ / 0-)
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        Wreck Smurfy

        What about a coalition if there is no majority?

        Is there polling that indicates where Lib voters would go if there was no Liberal Party? Would the split go strong enough for the NDP? Seems to me if those voters wanted to be NDPers they already would be. Put another way, if the Libs are gone and the NDP absorbs a lot of their votes, the NDP could just become another middle of the road center left party.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 08:26:08 PM PDT

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        •  The Libs and the Cons have been battling it out (0+ / 0-)

          for more than a century. A lot of Libs would never, ever, vote Con. It's almost genetic. Likewise vice-versa.

          If the Liberal Party was to disappear, I would expect most Lib voters to come to the NDP rather than vote for the hated Cons. This is one reason why I want to see the Lib Party destroyed.

          -8.38, -7.74 My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. - Jack Layton

          by Wreck Smurfy on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 08:48:27 PM PDT

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          •  But to what end? (0+ / 0-)

            What I'm getting at is if the Libs go away and the NDP takes their voters isn't that pretty much a merger? Wouldn't an infusion of all those centrist voters move the NDP to the right? Seems to me that even if at first it means the current generation of Lib politicians may not be around anymore, the old Lib voters will greatly increase the strength of the NDP right.

            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

            by slothlax on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 09:25:55 PM PDT

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    •  Myself, I do not see why the Libs and NDP (1+ / 0-)
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      slothlax

      could not form a coalition. The splitting of the left in Canada is the only reason the conservatives are in power. I would like to see the parties on the left in Canada (Greens, NDP, Libs) work together to defeat the conservatives.

      However I seem to have a minority viewpoint here.

      You could be listening to Netroots Radio. "We are but temporary visitors on this planet. The microbes own this place" <- Me

      by yuriwho on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 09:32:19 PM PDT

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      •  I agree with you (2+ / 0-)
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        Wreck Smurfy, yuriwho

        It seems obvious to me as an outsider. The Libs and NDP have different styles and cultures, but similar political viewpoints. Campaign for your party, let the votes fall where they may, and unite together against the Conservatives. In the UK, also with a first past the post parliamentary system, there was a lot of tactical voting. In seats with no credible conservative candidate the two leftist parties fought it out. But if a three way race was in the works, the Lib Dems and Labour would decide who had a stronger chance of winning and back that candidate against the Tory. I wish we had more than two credible parties in the US.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:30:27 AM PDT

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    •  Ooooh, lots of questions here. (1+ / 0-)
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      Wreck Smurfy

      First things first, congratulations to Craig Scott and the rest of the TorDan team, thrilled to see that we held the riding AND the vote share, that's pretty relieving in terms of any vote loss we may be facing in the future.  
      I'll try to answer all your questions, so bear with me please.  

      I'll start with the one that I find easiest to answer, and that's in regards to merger.  Merger is completely off the table, it is not an option at all.  Many New Democrats would rather sit out an election than merge with the Liberals, it's a completely different culture within the two political parties, and the attitudes are diametrically opposed.  Even Nathan Cullen, my candidate of choice for leader, refuses to call for a full merger, instead preferring on a pre-election cooperation model.  The other candidates have endorsed coalitions or coalition-like things to varying degrees, so there is a willingness to have it, but not much work being put into it at the present.  

      The Liberals are not dead, but they're not exactly drawing a firm heartbeat either.  In many of the vote-rich provinces, the Liberal Brand is hopelessly destroyed; in Quebec from the Sponsorship Scandal last decade, and everywhere west of Ontario from the National Energy Program in 1980.  Claims of rebuilding have been met by the Conservative advertising machine using their interim leader for target practice, which seems odd until you accept that the Prime Minister has a personal grudge against the Liberals for past sins.

      The Conservatives could theoretically pick up a few extra seats in British Columbia and in the Atlantic Provinces, but they're maxed out otherwise.  They never had a secure base in Quebec, they already won EVERYTHING in the Prairies, and everything in Ontario is already safely someone else's seat.  This is all they got, and even the addition of 30 new seats in redistricting isn't likely to fix that.

      There's certainly some concern that the Bloc could become resurgent in Quebec in time for the next election, and I persoally think that's a big part of why there are so many people gravitating towards Thomas Mulcair.  There was a Forum Poll put out mid-campaign that showed Mulcair was the only person who could hold our gains in Quebec, with the other leading candidates losing nearly every seat.  

      I'm obviously a bit biased, but I think there's still a lot of places that we can compete and win as the NDP, and that we haven't hit our high water mark yet.  There's a lot of Ontario seats that are open to supporting the NDP, and while we only won 3 of the 56 seats in the Prairies, there's a lot of party support there, including several past and present provincial governments that could help swing a few more seats our way.  As for British Columbia...my home province always tends to be contrarian to everything.  There's always been a strong NDP streak in the province, and I think that will become stronger now that Harper is attempting to put the Enbridge Northern Gateway and the Kinder Morgan twinned pipelines through our province.  I think there's a lot of untapped growth available, so there are seats we could win there too.

      Much apologies for the long response, I'm in term paper season and have started being needlessly verbose.

      Rolling over and surrendering doesn't make Democrats moderate, it makes them unprincipled. Fight for Democrats who fight back.

      by BC Progressive on Mon Mar 19, 2012 at 11:33:26 PM PDT

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      •  Excellent comment. Thank you for it. n/t. (0+ / 0-)

        -8.38, -7.74 My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. - Jack Layton

        by Wreck Smurfy on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 12:16:19 AM PDT

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      •  You should apologize for brevity (1+ / 0-)
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        Wreck Smurfy

        I asked a big question and there is a lot more I can ask. And I may. Tomorrow. Or later today. However you want to put it.

        I don't know what the National Energy Program is and I will Wikipedia it later, but its always nice to hear it from a real person.

        When I looked at the results after the last election it seemed like the Conservatives were within striking distance in some Ontario ridings. And I really don't think it matters who the leader is, I don't see how the NDP can possibly hold virtually all of Quebec. Seems like a wave election with a lot of Some Dudes winning seats. And I don't see anywhere near enough openings in the plains, bc, or Ontario to put the NDP over the top. Coalition seems necessary to me, no matter how much you guys don't like each other.

        Notice, no questions. Those come later, or not. We shall see. Its late. Or early. I'm not sure anymore. Peace

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 01:09:32 AM PDT

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  •  Hey! (1+ / 0-)
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    Wreck Smurfy

    Now wait just a minute, Canadian. What's so silly about OUR elections here in the US?

    Oh. Right. Everything.

    Hate it when foreigners mock us when we deserve to be mocked.....  :)

    The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

    by Korkenzieher on Tue Mar 20, 2012 at 07:16:58 AM PDT

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