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        •  Repeat after me: Politicians are not my friends. (46+ / 0-)

          They're not elected to be your 'friend'.  They're elected to do a job.  Just like most of us, they're subject to performance reviews, and if they're doing the job in a way the people that hired them don't like, they get criticized for it.

          And really, given how insanely stupid Republican ideas have been over the last 3 years, I really find it hard to believe that constant 'bipartisanship', especially when Republicans continually claim he's being partisan no matter what, is a good idea.

          •  A master plan (5+ / 0-)

            for this country to be powered by sustainable clean energy by the beginning of this century would have required implementation no later than the year Barack Obama was born.

            It wasn't.

            "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

            by Sybil Liberty on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:43:36 AM PDT

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          •  Bipartisanship (11+ / 0-)

            got us repeal of DADT. Bipartisanship got us extension of unemployment benefits. Bipartisanship got us ratification of the START treaty. And that's just off the top of my head.

            •  It got us the IWR, the Patriot Act, FISA immunity (34+ / 0-)

              the AUMF, Bernanke reappointed as Fed Chair, and "look forward not backward" on a whole host of horrors.  That's just off the top of my head.

              Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

              by RFK Lives on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:59:53 AM PDT

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            •  It also got us cuts to medicare, (24+ / 0-)

              RTT, WS bailouts with no prosecutions, a health care plan with little cost control and big premiums, and a wasted mandate and majority.  

              Nobody will argue that Obama is better than a sharp stick in the eye aka insane Republicans, but please, this cartoon represents what we'll get after he gets re-elected - if he gets re-elected.  Pretty damn sad when you can't even count on beating batshit crazy conservatives with an agenda to destroy the middle class.

              "bin Laden's dead, and GM is alive" ~ Biden

              by dkmich on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:08:40 AM PDT

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              •  Bipartisanship w/ crazy people makes one half sane (16+ / 0-)

                Given the inflexibility of these crazy people, it often leads to less than half sane results.   Anyone who says that we have to rally 'round the flag to defeat the party of Palin/Santorum/Gingrich/Mittens has to ask themselves why this WH wasted 3 years trying to "compromise" w/ such people.

                Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

                by RFK Lives on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:25:17 AM PDT

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                •  Excellent point (12+ / 0-)

                  Policy matters, it shouldn't be an afterthought to political gamesmanship.

                  No GOP-lite Democrats in 2016. Let's elect a real Democrat next time.

                  by Betty Pinson on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:03:38 AM PDT

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                  •  That's right & we're the partisans and if we don't (2+ / 0-)
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                    niemann, MikePhoenix

                    ...express our policy demands and boundaries clearly, if the public has no criticisms, there is no bipartisan.

                    Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

                    by kck on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:40:50 AM PDT

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                •  The unobservant voters don't see it that way (2+ / 0-)
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                  kalmoth, Aquarius40

                  If Obama had dug in his heels and didn't attempt to at least look bipartisan, he wouldn't look like the adult in the room, like he does now.

                  Offering to give them stuff they ought to want but wouldn't take made them look like idiots and he didn't give 'em JACK SHIT.

                  "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

                  by leftykook on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:52:03 AM PDT

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                  •  if by adult in the room you mean the adult (10+ / 0-)

                    that let's the unruly kids run the house...

                    Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are. --St Augustine

                    by poligirl on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:19:34 AM PDT

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                    •  The unruly kids DO run the House (3+ / 0-)
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                      kalmoth, michelewln, AaronInSanDiego

                      the voters who didn't show up to vote in 2010 made damn sure of that!

                      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

                      by leftykook on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:22:41 AM PDT

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                      •  and the president can't help but appease them. (7+ / 0-)

                        like you said - they run the house.

                        and it's been debunked over and over and over again. the progressives did show up in 2010. so can the blame game, leftykook.

                        Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are. --St Augustine

                        by poligirl on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:36:38 AM PDT

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                        •  A lot of (1+ / 0-)
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                          michelewln

                          someones from center to left didn't show up in 2010, or the GOP wouldn't have "shellacked" us.  Period.

                          •  it was indies and youth who stayed home... (7+ / 0-)

                            in 2010. and i noticed in perusing the 2010 conversations that you were in several of them claiming the same progressives stayed home nonsense, regardless of any links or data given that disproved it. so i've come to the conclusion that you just don't care about facts; you just believe whatever storyline you want to believe, damn the evidence... so you're not worth debating. good day.

                            Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are. --St Augustine

                            by poligirl on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 11:02:17 AM PDT

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                          •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

                            What a nasty response.  To quote Kos, no need to be a dick.

                          •  Meh. (4+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl, Nada Lemming, priceman, Funkygal

                            Looks like you got called on pushing a false meme repeatedly, despite being presented with reality.

                            I'd look in the mirror before crying 'dick'.

                          •  My comment (1+ / 0-)
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                            Hedwig

                            said that a lot of some body's from center to left didn't show up in 2010. This is unarguably a fact.  Whether it was younger voters, or as it was also, older voters (those 65 plus stayed home in almost equal number to the young.)

                            I never said anything about progressives or liberals.  I said from center to left.  To argue that the Democrats did not suffer a serious enthusiasm gap in 2010 is not on the side of reality.

                            Your definition of "dick" seems to be different than mine.  Your definition seems to suggest that anyone who differs with your truth is a dick.  My definition of a dick is anyone who is needlessly nasty in defending their truth.  Check out your own mirror.

                          •  In this comment, yes. (2+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl, priceman

                            Are you saying that in the prior instances you also said 'center to the left' and that the other commenter was misstating the facts about your prior comments?  Given that you didn't claim so in your reply, I assumed that you weren't capable of refuting such a claim.

                            I don't consider someone being called out for prior falsehoods as being 'dickish', which is not at all the definition you want to ascribe to me.  And btw, I don't have 'a truth'.  There is 'the truth' which I don't actually own.  It is what it is.

                            If indeed you didn't push the claim in past that it was the left who didn't show up in 2010, then I apologize for mistakenly assuming that from your lack of refutation of the allegation when it was made.

                          •  Silly me. (0+ / 0-)

                            And to think I thought it was "this comment" that one would respond to.  

                            Poligirl offered no proof for her accusations, not one example, yet you felt comfortable in assuming she was correct.  

                            I did not refute Poligirl because I did not wish to engage with her any further, and I was not about to spend the time to see what I thought and said 2 freaking years ago just to prove her wrong. She made the accusation, the burden of proof was on her.   However, I have no memory of accusing progressives of not voting.  

                            And even if I did---I try to stay well read and caught up, and sometimes, I change my opinions, or I am proven wrong or evolve because of what I've learned.  I not only have no problem admitting this, I consider it a feature, not a bug.

                            What I or you claimed in the past is not the issue, imo, and if everyone here were held to that we'd have more useless conversations than we already do. The fact is this is not what I said in any way in the comment she responded to.

                            She was needlessly nasty, did not support her accusations, and you swallowed it whole.

                          •  Shrug. (3+ / 0-)
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                            poligirl, Nada Lemming, priceman

                            Generally if there is no denial of accusations, there is likewise no 'burden of proof'.  If there is no dispute of an allegation from the accused, why would you even look for more proof?  Most people tend to simply say 'No, I didn't do that' or even 'you're lying'.

                            Given how 'needlessly nasty' your own reply back to me was, including your rude projection of how illogically you assume I think, though, I'm not going to waste any more time worrying about your indignation at others being as nasty to you as you are to other people.

                          •  You're the one (0+ / 0-)

                            doing the projecting.  Never said you thought illogically.  And I wasn't nasty.  

                            Did say both you and Poligirl accused me without proof or back up.  Did put some time and thought into my response to say that I don't think what anyone said or didn't say two years ago is as important as what they say today.  

                            You can spin it all you want but you didn't, haven't and can't seem to take any responsibility for jumping on a band wagon without wheels.

                          •  And I quote (0+ / 0-)
                            Your definition of "dick" seems to be different than mine.  Your definition seems to suggest that anyone who differs with your truth is a dick.
                            That's what I took as a nasty accusation of either illogic or personal dishonesty.  It most certainly is not my definition of a dick.

                            Now, as to your prior position on the subject (you, 2010)

                            This idea that the dems lost the mid terms because Obama wasn't progressive enough doesn't check out with me.  I can't know of course, but my bet is most progressives, even the angry ones, dragged themselves to the mid term polls and cast an unenthusiastic vote.  And those who sat home were not near enough to have changed the outcome.

                            The lost votes that hurt us were IMO, the dems who traditionally don't come out for midterms, and second, those so beat down by circumstance they have disengaged, assuming they were ever engaged beyond an electrifying presidential election.

                            So it does indeed look like poligirl was wrong, maybe mixing you up with someone else, unless your views changed in later months.

                            And here's the statement I already made once before again.

                            If indeed you didn't push the claim in past that it was the left who didn't show up in 2010, then I apologize for mistakenly assuming that from your lack of refutation of the allegation when it was made.
                            So yes, I apologize, a second time, for assuming that the lack of refutation meant that you couldn't refute the claims.

                            I would have thought the first time I said it would have counted as 'taking some responsibility', but given that it didn't, I'm sure you'll discount my repetition as well.

                          •  You found a quote (1+ / 0-)
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                            Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN

                            from me that negates what I was accused of.  I appreciate you being forthright and saying so. I really do.

                            However, I'll stick with my idea that it's nasty business to "bring old arguments into new diaries"---to quote you quoting Kos as you admonished another commenter down the line.

                            People have the right to change their opinions and evolve. Best to comment to the comment at hand, and not whatever idea you have of who someone was or what they said two years ago. Particularly when you might be dead wrong.

                            You know, just today I read a post from someone defending Obama that surprised me.  It surprised me because this person has been in the past, a very vocal Obama critic, in fact an avid Obama basher.  But this comment was very eloquent and sincere.  It wouldn't occur to me to run my truck into that comment by reminding that person they hadn't always felt that way.  What's the point of that?

                            I never needed an apology.  Just an acknowledgment that my initial comment had nothing to do with what I was then accused of saying in the past, without proof, and that I got a load of crap I didn't deserve.

                          •  That particular topic (1+ / 0-)
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                            StellaRay

                            is one of my (hopefully few) hot buttons.  I got so freaking tired of hearing it over and over again that 'stay at home libs' cost the 2010 elections when crosstabs showed no such things.

                            Therefore, when poligirl made the accusation and you didn't at that point in time deny it outright, my sheer annoyance at that talking point led me to give more weight to the accusation than it deserved, because I have seen (other) Kossacks trot it out repeatedly even after thorough debunking.  So I mistakenly assumed that poligirl was similarly irritated by it, and knew what she was talking about.

                            I agree that you didn't deserve the 'load of crap', especially from me.  I should have dropped it very early on, but the tenor and accusations of your return comments about my character irritated me even more than the (proven incorrect) possibility that you had been one of those people who kept repeatedly trotting out that particular line, so I kept writing angry and useless comments in response when I should have just dropped it.

                            About 'rehashing' - I agree that in general, there isn't much point in bringing up what one person has or has not said in the past on a topic, unless to talk about the evolution of such thought.  Unfortunately, we still do see some zombie memes that refuse to die, no matter how often debunked, and those will still dredge up the past.  In your case, though, poligirl and I both jumped in when we 'thought we saw' a zombie meme starting to rise from the grave, but we were wrong.  A good lesson not to raise those shovels until you're sure it's actually a zombie you're about to whack with them.

                            So acknowledgement and apology.

                          •  Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN

                            I very much appreciate your comment here.  I appreciate you taking the time to explain what happened on your end.

                            I am also very happy to not end up enemies.  We may not always agree in the future, but you have my respect for seeing this through with me.  

                            And just for the record, you did make other comments on the thread yesterday that I very much agreed with, but was too mad to tell you.  You have a good head, and I can see, much passion.  Who knows, we might even end up liking each other. :)

                          •  Mostly I'm chagrined. (1+ / 0-)
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                            StellaRay

                            Supposedly I've had multiple classes that have included argument de-escalation tactics, but I still really suck at implementing them.  Why I should avoid psych ward work, I guess.

                            This was as close as I've been to being the angry poster I was back a few years ago when I posted as 'drbloodaxe', and I thought I'd mellowed past that point in my life.

                          •  Not to worry. (0+ / 0-)

                            I'm sure you have mellowed, but we all fall back now and then.  Passion has two sides, something I know because I've seen the worst side of it on me.  Hard to be a person who cares in this world and not get angry now and then.  Sometimes for better reasons than others.  Be as gentle with yourself as you would with someone you love.  I'm sure you deserve that.

                          •  You do realize that constantly repeating a (3+ / 0-)
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                            Nada Lemming, Agathena, priceman

                            debunked talking point is being a dick, right?

                            Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

                            by JesseCW on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:41:42 PM PDT

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                          •  What debunked talking point (0+ / 0-)

                            are you talking about?  

                          •  Oh, and one more thing (0+ / 0-)

                            and I address this to you Jesse, and to those who recced your comment.  

                            What "constant" repeating do you refer to?  Please be specific.

                            Did you read all the comments on this issue?  If so, what is your response to poligirl's lack of proof or links for her accusations.  Hell, she's still reccing away here, without offering one single example of what she accused me of.

                            Did you read the quote of the comment I made that Dr. Erich found? How do you respond to that?

                            And finally, I would ask you to read my initial comment here and tell me how you disagree with it, instead of jumping on Poligirl's bandwagon---someone who irresponsibly made accusations she cannot back up.  

                        •  this is true - (4+ / 0-)
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                          poligirl, LaEscapee, Nada Lemming, PhilJD

                          Progressives showed up. Liberals showed up.
                          It's the Indy's who did not.
                          I think it's been proven they kinda are the least informed, don't care as much, and are not as involved.
                          Too bad - because I get being Indy.

                          Another group that stayed home, and I was worried as all hell about this - city and inner city votes.
                          I was canvassing for Corzine and knew he was going to go down. (In NJ) .
                          By the shrugs about "you gotta go vote..."
                            Now we have Chris Christie.
                          God. Help. Us. All.

                          You are not an Environmentalist if you support the brutal, cruel, inhuman life and slaughter of animals in Factory Farms which produce 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions worldwide.

                          by Christin on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:53:33 AM PDT

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                          •  They also generally lean GOP. nm (0+ / 0-)

                            202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

                            by cany on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 11:40:05 AM PDT

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                          •  That hasn't been "proven" at all. (1+ / 0-)
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                            PhilJD

                            There are three big groups of indies - one considers the Democrats too right wing to support and won't register as Democrats.  They often vote for Democrats when they do show  up the polls, but it takes a hell of a Democrat to get them there.

                            The other, and it's growing rapidly, is the fiscally conservative socially libertarian crowd.  The people who hate taxes and homophobes.  

                            The third is pretty low information, but it's because they've just tuned out politics as having virtually no meaning to their lives.  It's not that they don't care - it's that they're just tired of being lied too.

                            Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

                            by JesseCW on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:45:46 PM PDT

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                        •  the progressive are a minority. (0+ / 0-)

                          Even if progressives show up to vote, the regressives may still retain control.

                          "Okay, until next time. Keep sending me your questions, and I will make fun of you... I mean, answer them." - Strong Bad

                          by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:05:34 PM PDT

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                      •  Who is the leader of the party, again? (2+ / 0-)
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                        Agathena, priceman

                        Whose fault is it if voters aren't motivated to show up?

                        If he'd performed like Roosevelt, he'd have had results like Roosevelt's first mid-term.

                        Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

                        by JesseCW on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:40:05 PM PDT

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                        •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

                          IMO, anyone who doesn't show up to vote owns that whole.  If you prefer to be a victim, that's your business.

                          Were you a victim of Bill Clinton in his first mid term too?  And that's why we got Gingrich?  Were you a victim of Jimmy Carter, and that's why we got Regan?  Were you a victim of John Kerry and that's why we got a second term of GW?

                          Aye yi yi.  I'm gob-smacked at how you dismiss yourself from the contract of Democracy.  You have a huge part in it, and you are not owed, nor are you entitled to getting everything you want as the price for your vote.

                          •  It's a representatives job to earn votes. (0+ / 0-)

                            Not voting is also a vote.

                            When you send people to represent you based on the promises they make, and the do what Obama and many Congressional Democrats did and not only fail to deliver but in fact enact policies they ran on opposing, it doesn't make a lot of sense to give your consent to be governed by those who have deceived you.

                            America was the victim of Bill Clinton in his first term, and that's why we got Gingrich.

                            I'm Gob-Smacked at how you try to use bullying and blaming to convince people to actively go vote for the candidate you theoretically support.  

                            Is there any evidence at all that this unfounded guilt-tripping game has ever been an effective way to motivate voters?

                            Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

                            by JesseCW on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 12:13:37 AM PDT

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                          •  LOL, (0+ / 0-)

                            there you go again.  Your opinion is all A OK, but mine is "bullying and blaming."  For Pete's sake, cut it out.  Own up to the fact that people disagree, and stop crying me a river that you haven't gotten everything you wanted. Neither have I.   Welcome to life.

                            Frankly, I'm not at all interested in motivating you to vote for Obama, or any other Democrat. In fact, I'm darn sick of you and your ilk's whining, and I totally invite you to NOT VOTE for Obama, to sit home with your thumb stuck in your mouth because it's all Obama's fault and you have no choice but to have no voice.  

                            Whatever, man. I'm so not interested in getting the likes of you to get off your cup half empty butts.  You go your way, I'll go mine.  We're allowed to agree to disagree.  And that's a relief.

                  •  Unobservant voters are just that, (4+ / 0-)

                    unobservant and don't care about process or Obama looking like an adult.  They care about what effects them.  Obama's healthcare law gets bad marks because it was a big deal, and the only thing people have seen since its passage is higher costs.  If the subsidies had kicked in immediately, the bill would be seen as a success because people would have seen a direct benefit.  

                    Playing games with republicans always gives them a win.  They always make sure that the end result is weak and toothless so as to be ineffective so they can point to the ineffectiveness as a reason to repeal government.  All the average citizen sees is the government attempting to fix a problem and failing, they don't see that it failed because Republicans undermined it.  Process does not matter, measurable results do.

                  •  No, it's not primarily about appearances (0+ / 0-)

                    It's about getting the votes needed to actuallly get legislation passed, most of it extremely consequential.

                    We got a second stimulus of the economy in the bill that extended all of the Bush tax cuts. It was stimulus that the economy and Americans suffering from the recession desperately needed. It was a stimulus that Republicans would never have agreed to if it hadn't been slipped in under their radar. They were so blinded by extension of the Bush tax cuts that they didn't notice what was being done. But neither did many Democrats.

                    Charles Krauthammer spotted it:

                    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

                    In David Corn's new book, Showdown, he relates how Obama read Krauthammer's article, and commented on how Krauthammer had figured out what they were doing all along.

                  •  The exact same people who thought he was the (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    Dave925

                    'adult in the room' still think he is, and the exact same people who hated him from the start for reasons I won't bother to spell out yet again still hate him and still don't consider him an 'adult'.

                    Each segment of our population gets its political coverage and ideas from specific places, and what he actually does or does not do won't actually change many minds.

                    To us, the Republicans always looked like idiots, and still do.  To the Republican base, not so much.  They'll still vote for the same idiots to continue to 'represent' them in Congress that they always have, and 50 million or 60 million of them will still turn out to vote for Mitt, no matter how stupid his ideas.

              •  What cuts to Medicare? (0+ / 0-)

                "But much to my surprise when I opened my eyes I was the victim of the great compromise." John Prine

                by high uintas on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:23:01 AM PDT

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              •  There were no cuts to Medicare recipients (6+ / 0-)

                It is an evil Republican lie that the ACA cut people's Medicare benefits.  Actually the cuts were made to flim-flamming medicare providers who were gaming the system to deprive beneficiaries of their due.  

                •  It Cuts (1+ / 0-)
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                  high uintas

                  "Medicare Adavantage", a Puke initiative aimed at giving free money to insurance cos. that take on Medicare recipients with come-ons about this or that but in fact requires nothing of them while requiring the recipient to permanently sign over their Medicare benefits to these companies.

                  It's a sham. Such programs feature annual benefit cuts.

                  "Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten system." - Dorothy Day

                  by Dave925 on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 12:12:21 PM PDT

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              •  Cuts to Medicare? (4+ / 0-)
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                michelewln, cany, Dave925, high uintas

                Bullshit and you know it.

              •  As a quibble (2+ / 0-)
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                LaEscapee, AaronInSanDiego

                I don't assume that 'past performance is necessarily indicative of future results' in term-limited politicians.  It may well be likely that he will continue in the same fashion in his next term as he has in this one, but I see the cartoon more as what we've seen so far, rather than a future prognostication.  Shifts in the makeup of the Congress will also be important.  Were we to regain the House and (pipe dream, I know) actually get 60 semi-reliable Senate votes or otherwise remove the 60 vote cloture on everything under the sun, we might see a significant shift in legislative output.

                And, for the most part, I think the administration has made significant strides in various low-media coverage regulatory issues, even as it has mucked up the starting point of every single 'bipartisan' issue.

              •  No cuts to Medicare so far. Otherwise agree. (0+ / 0-)

                "The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”. - George Carlin

                by Funkygal on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 02:35:21 AM PDT

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            •  Purists bore the hell out of me (1+ / 0-)
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              SouthernBelleNC49

              Honestly, they act like children sometimes.

              Grow up, everyone. So President Obama didn't give you everything you wanted? He hasn't been your dream president.

              He's a heckuva lot better than the alternative.

              (And you're dreaming if you think this country would elect someone left of Barack Obama.)

              •  Exhibits One, Two and Three (0+ / 0-)

                of how the batshit crazy Republican right enables the corporate "centrist" wing of what used to be the Democratic Party, and enables and furthers the death by a thousand cuts that our country is experiencing, to wit: It enables this exact meme.  When your alternatives are (1) rat poison and (2) a shit sandwich, you take the shit sandwich.  Which is just fine with the shit-sandwich wing of the Democratic Party.

          •  But THE AUDIENCE aren't politicians (3+ / 0-)
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            they are voters and this cartoon helps to undermine the vote.

            Fuck this.  It DOESN'T help.

            "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

            by leftykook on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:47:47 AM PDT

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        •  Obama isn't your friend, he's a politician (2+ / 0-)
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          80 % of success is showing up

          Corporate is not the solution to our problem

          Corporate is the problem

          by Churchill on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 11:48:06 AM PDT

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      •  It's amazing how many people (17+ / 0-)

        have ego's large enough to believe their OPINIONS are the truth.  Truth is related to facts when someone pronounces their opinions as the "truth" their egos have clearly have grown out of control

        •  More amazing (13+ / 0-)

          The number of people that think a cartoon will affect the vote in any way.

          There are no sacred cows.

          by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:03:11 AM PDT

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        •  Give your version of the issues raised in the toon (16+ / 0-)

          I will come back later, read them and give them some thought.
          Other people will read them too.
          And then we can have a discussion that might lead to a better world instead of the same old world that is spiraling out of control no matter who leads the country.
          That is most likely the end game of the cartoonist. To get people talking.

          Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real. It is time to act. - Al Gore

          by Burned on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:13:03 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  You are engaging in some seriously distorted (5+ / 0-)

            framing.  First off you want to frame this issue as one where we should discuss the color of the drapes while the house is on fire.   Of course I would prefer a discussion on calling the fire department and getting out of the house, but that would be wrong in your eyes as the drape issue is far more important.

            Secondly want to have this discussion with the mother of false assumptions  "the same old world that is spiraling out of control no matter who leads the country"   That ridiculous and unsubstantiated claim is what needs to be discussed, not the false debate that you framed based on that claim.

            •  Check the polls (6+ / 0-)

              on the issues that matter most to Americans and our future, Obama & the Dem brand are well ahead of the crazy GOP.

              The GoP is in no danger of winning as long as we focus on our strenghts - key issues and good public policy.  Thus the trick becomes making sure we're discussing and placing the right focus on good public policy and selling our brand to voters.

              Cartoons such as the one above are a means of keeping our party focused on its strengths, instead of getting distracted by the GOP's wedge issues.

              No GOP-lite Democrats in 2016. Let's elect a real Democrat next time.

              by Betty Pinson on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:09:24 AM PDT

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            •  It's not about me, or the cartoonist (9+ / 0-)

              it's about all of us, everywhere.
              We need to move away from oil, away from a war without end (GWOT,) and away from people destroying GOP policy.
              KS pipeline enables oil, drilling enables oil, drones, preemptive war, and turning a blind eye to torture enable terror and thus the continual war, AND making deals with the devil GOP against the American people knowing all the while they're going to stab you in the back as soon as they're back in power is just a serious waste of precious time and life that we are not going to get back, ever.

              Let's just put the brakes on, and take a sharp turn left since that's what the stupid GOP says we're doing anyway.
              Let's do it.

              Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real. It is time to act. - Al Gore

              by Burned on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:46:05 AM PDT

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              •  sorry, but.... (2+ / 0-)
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                it's about all of us, everywhere.
                while I can match neither nor your wit nor eloquence,  I still can speak for myself (be it even in a crude fashion), and while I am overwhelmed with gratitude to you for offering to be my spokesman, I cannot in good faith accept the honor.
              •  Ideology (0+ / 0-)

                is a useful big picture tool, but it's a terrible guideline for nuts and bolts operations, as you are trying to use it.   The US is moving away from oil, but that is going take time, years and decades time.  In the interim you can't stop oil production like you (not all of us, that you pretend to be spokesperson for) want.  
                As for turning a blind eye to torture, that is simply unfounded hyperbole and does little to bolster your credibility on the issue.
                "making deals with the devil GOP"  seriously?  You sound like a liberal version of a Tea Party crazy when you say that.

                "drones"  it's amazing that you want our soldiers placed in harms way instead of in the safety of a control trailer.  Why do you want our troops to get killed.  Because drone's missions need to be carried out one way or the other.  The only thing you would change is getting Americans killed.

                "take a sharp turn left'   Yeah that's the lazy person's answer.  Skip all the hard work of winning over hearts and minds and getting the Country to turn left.  Just force the politicians to force your will on the American people.  

                Tell you what, speak for yourself.  I want to convince people to adopt liberal ideals.  I want them to WANT to vote for liberals.  Sure it takes hard work and time, but it's the right, moral and just thing to do.  

                •  I can't talk to you when you keep insulting me. (6+ / 0-)

                  Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real. It is time to act. - Al Gore

                  by Burned on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:28:58 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  You mistake bluntness for insult (0+ / 0-)

                    I have been blunt in my assessment, but not insulting.  However since I what I said is clearly what you don't want to hear, you will ignore it.  I suspect that behavior is how you ended up with your wrong minded opinions in the first place, by listening only to what you want to hear rather than what you need to hear.

                    •  heh okay (6+ / 0-)
                      "drones"  it's amazing that you want our soldiers placed in harms way instead of in the safety of a control trailer.  Why do you want our troops to get killed.  Because drone's missions need to be carried out one way or the other.  The only thing you would change is getting Americans killed.
                      Liberal Tea Party crazy
                      Hyperbolic
                      Not credible
                      Lazy
                      immoral by way of not adhering to your morality
                      and so on.

                      I've spent a lot of time "being blunt" on this website. I'm pretty much done with that, as it's counterproductive.

                      Here's a link for you in case you missed it.
                      http://www.dailykos.com/...

                      Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real. It is time to act. - Al Gore

                      by Burned on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:11:07 AM PDT

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                •  Please. (6+ / 0-)
                  The US is moving away from oil, but that is going take time, years and decades time.  
                  That is simply not based on any facts, logic or truth.

                  We are drilling more than ever before.   We are using more oil than ever before.
                  Obama is giving more drilling permits every month, and brags about it in Oakland.
                  Christ that performance was pathetic.
                  And the GOP laughs at him.
                  They are looking into drilling further into protected land in Alaska.
                  BP is back full swing.
                  Ready to blow again.
                  More fish are dying. More air is being fouled.
                  Temperatures are risings. Animals are suffering.
                  And in light of all that, Obama gives the go ahead for the filthiest, most dirty, most foul, most planet cooking disaster way of getting oil ever   - Obama says yes to 1/2 the pipeline.
                  With the other half to come when he starts to panic over another rise in gas prices.
                  But hey, SUV's sales are back big time.

                  In the interim you can't stop oil production like you (not all of us, that you pretend to be spokesperson for) want.  
                  Why do people do this?
                  It's her opinion. One many people share.
                  She never said she was a "spokesperson".
                  I could say the same to you.
                  Stop pretending to be a spokesperson for me. Or us.
                  But that would make me sound ignorant.

                  You are not an Environmentalist if you support the brutal, cruel, inhuman life and slaughter of animals in Factory Farms which produce 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions worldwide.

                  by Christin on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:14:57 AM PDT

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        •  Then again (1+ / 0-)
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          that's your opinion.

        •  If people didn't believe their opinions were true, (0+ / 0-)

          they wouldn't hold those opinions, would they?

          "Okay, until next time. Keep sending me your questions, and I will make fun of you... I mean, answer them." - Strong Bad

          by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:12:07 PM PDT

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      •  cartoon quality truth (4+ / 0-)

        Some of us approach life with a slightly deeper understanding.

      •  Rigid moralists with closed minds (1+ / 2-)
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        will never understand real world politics.   That's why the Tea Partiers on the right and on the left are Obama haters.

      •  It insults our intelligence and wastes our time (0+ / 0-)

        We would have to be stupid not to realize that there are contradictions in Obama's behavior.

        It seems you haven't made the connection between supporting Obama , flaws and all, and voting Republican or staying at home.

    •  Everyone chant together: (8+ / 0-)

      Photobucket


      "When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

      by Lisa Lockwood on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:55:13 AM PDT

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    •  I don't... (11+ / 0-)

      mind...anti-Obama material has the exact same effect on me whether it comes from the left or the right...it gives me a fresh infusion of "fired up, ready to go".

      "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

      by JackND on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:11:38 AM PDT

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    •  With crazy GOP candidates (6+ / 0-)

      Obama should have no problem looking like the most sane of all the candidates.  So there's really no need to be thin skinned.

      Every president needs criticism on important issues that affect all our lives and futures. These are important issues.

      No GOP-lite Democrats in 2016. Let's elect a real Democrat next time.

      by Betty Pinson on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:01:34 AM PDT

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    •  Obama compromising with the "crazy" GOP, (2+ / 0-)
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      whom you rightly fear and despise, is the critical crux of this cartoon. Unfortunately, it often appears that Obama does not to share your low opinion of the GOP. If they are out to destroy our way of life, Obama's compromises may be seen as only seriously denting it.

      You need to stop confusing salutary criticism from the Left with the toxic emissions of the Right. They serve utterly different ends.

      The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

      by Wolf10 on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:27:17 AM PDT

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    •  Their end game is thousands dead, trillions wasted (0+ / 0-)

      and the country on the path of destruction. Whatever it takes so that they get 4 years of righteous outrage. See Gore, Al and Nader, Ralph.

      And if tens of thousands of brown people have to die, those people are just expendable. If trillions have to get wasted, well that's just collateral damage.

      Of course they won't take credit for a Romney or Santorum presidency. You'll see the "Obama needs to EARN my vote," and "I won't donate or volunteer." But if Obama loses, they'll be the first to blame him and scream about how horrible Romney and Santorum are.

      I saw it in 2000. We tried to tell them what was going to happen. They didn't listen.

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:57:46 AM PDT

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      •  It's a lot easier to flog a Ralph Nader (2+ / 0-)
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        boogieman than to admit that Al Gore lost because Republicans disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of voters around this country and effectively staged a bloodless coup, isn't it?

        Facing the real reasons Gore "lost" is something a lot of people still don't the guts for.

        Bombing Iran is far more dangerous than Iran getting The Bomb.

        by JesseCW on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:09:25 PM PDT

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    •  It worked so well in 2010. (0+ / 0-)

      Mitt Romney's Like A Box Of Chocolates. You Never Know What Your Gonna Get!

      by kitebro on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:32:45 PM PDT

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    •  Why, yes! (0+ / 0-)

      Only fulsome praise of Our President should be allowed!  If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all!  Besides, if you don't talk (or draw) about it, maybe nobody will notice and the Republicans will be nice and everyone will get a pony!  

  •  You're going to ruffle a few feathers here (6+ / 0-)

    but I love it.  

  •  I like it. I'm a fan of Obama. I don't like (15+ / 0-)

    everything he does. This is not unfair. It boils down some of my frustrations. If this is ridicule it's mild.

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:46:14 AM PDT

    •  Its not so bad at all (8+ / 0-)

      Plus the No Drama Obama one isn't really insulting. If he's meditating in order to maintain the calm he does throughout his wildly eventful life, then that's a good enough explanation for me.

      The Bipartisan one is fair as well, and it does look like he's learning to overcome that flaw.

      Keystone one is also accurate. it's going through. Obama just wants to delay until after the election. If he's lucky enough to get a strong enough Dem Congress, then maybe it won't be passed. He is straddling this issue, exactly like that.

      The Afghanistan one is just sad. We need to get outta there.

    •  I suppose that's true (1+ / 0-)
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      I guess my knee jerked. Well, I plead nocoffeeyetthismorning.

    •  A rational response. No President is ever going (1+ / 0-)
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      to be perfect. I think he has been getting much better recently. Fact of the matter is, he is not just the President of Daily Kos Nation, he is the President of everyone. He will never appeal to the racist Republicans, but he does have to appeal to the moderates. The Supreme Court alone and the people the GOP would put up there should scare the shit out of any rational individual. They are already signaling what the would do to Women's health already.

      Obama has disappointed me and inspired me at the same time. I am not totally happy with him, but I was not when he was my Senator either. The Keystone reverse is really pissing me off, but I like where he has been going when it comes to job and protecting the middle class.

      With Keystone, I think he has a plan though. The GOP is going to keep bringing it up. Especially that they have now figured out that attacking birth control is not a good idea. Shows how out of touch they are that it took them this long.

      Most Presidents stumble out of the gate, its up to us to give our President a chance to finish.

      "The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian... America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." The Real Ron Paul

      by 815Sox on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:25:19 AM PDT

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  •  Got an email today (18+ / 0-)

    from Jim Messina.

    "I like Obamacare".

    Looks like they're going to use it against the GOP, who thinks they've won with using "ObamaCare" as a pejorative.

    If the campaign is poised to embrace the euphemism, I kind of like the two word phrase:

                        OBAMA CARES
    I just want to see some stats that show adding 20 million new customers to the Insurance industry customer base lowers the cost for everyone.

    Then the GOP are welcome to shut the fuck up.

    As if.....

    I think, Therefore I am, ...A Democrat

    by Patriot4peace on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:46:47 AM PDT

  •  Discussion on this should be interesting (0+ / 0-)

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:49:32 AM PDT

  •  Throwing this out there... (9+ / 0-)

    I do pilates for dance, and I sincerely doubt those last two images are actual poses.

    Also, I dislike this.

    You care about something, you fight for it. You hit a wall, you push through it.

    by Milou on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:50:17 AM PDT

  •  My only major problem (2+ / 0-)
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    aside from the continued wars, which I am against in any situation no matter whos doing them or why, is the bending over backwards for bipartisanship. At first, I thought it was a good idea. Eve nafter the rightwing showed they had no desire to deal honestly, in any way, with our president.

    Its when he does it over things he really shouldnt, that I get annoyed. Still, there are things Obama's done which, more or less, make him the best possible candidate. Though I hate war, I'm not blind, and know just how much it means, now andi nto the future, to have LGBT acceptance in the military.

    I think one of the worst things that could happen, is a republican repealing -- or trying to anyway -- that change. With four more years of it, the arguments of the rightwing against us will be little more than dust.

    mee wurst troll evurr. nobuddy pay brijj tole; me nott sceary enuf. mee gett drunc an kil sellf. troll droun.

    by kamrom on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:51:57 AM PDT

    •  He's going to (2+ / 0-)
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      tie them in knots with how he's tried to be bipartisan and they knocked him back at every turn.

      "Rage against the machine, vote for Newt, annoy a liberal." Sarah Palin on Fox News 1.28.12. - HaHaHAHaHaHa! me for the next 10 minutes.

      by AnnetteK on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:55:15 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed (9+ / 0-)

        I think he's earned a lot of political capital out of honestly TRYING with them. Yes, he's enraged the left by doing it, but it didn't really get the Rs much. And now they're not going to get what he offered them ever again.

        The Rs are running on this platform:

        Hike defense spending.
        Cut taxes even MORE on the rich.
        Wreck Medicare.
        Limit Social Security.
        Cut taxes even MORE on the rich.
        Take away birth control.
        Cut pay for teachers.
        Deregulate Wall St. even MORE.
        Lower wages for everyone who isn't them.
        Kick all brown people out.
        Don't teach evolution in school.

        And Obama is the guy who didn't let them do any of that yet. The question really is - do you want to kick Obama out and LET them do all that stuff to America?

        I think that's the argument that must be made. People feel it.

        •  Agreed Doubly (2+ / 0-)
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          and people are feeling something else as well; that that list of the subsets to the GOP platform has one big fat one sitting at the top:

          MAKE SURE OBAMA IS A ONE-TERM PRESIDENT

          Why?

          SHUT UP! THAT'S WHY

          I think more and more people are seeing them for what they are.

          "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Isaac Asimov

          by Hammerhand on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:51:11 AM PDT

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    •  His education, energy, surveillence, and (0+ / 0-)

      financial policies don't ruffle your feathers at all?

    •  The general public sees things differently (5+ / 0-)

      And that is where the votes are. People who follow politics every day are in the stark minority. People who do not follow "inside politics", do expect their President to try to accommodate views from both parties. This President Obama has done and today the pendulum is swing back to the left.

      The "bipartisaship" phase has given the GOP enough rope for them to hang themselves. In the past year it has sunk in with the general public that the current GOP are really out of touch. The last year has spawned voter revolts in the Midwest and OWS has reveled American wealth imbalance.

      It takes time for mass opinion to change. I argue that time was a good investment which is looking to be repaid in a timely manner this November.

  •  flexibility (15+ / 0-)

    I look for a degree of flexibility in the candidates I support. The inability to change as circumstances change is not necessarily a virtue. For the results of ideological rigidity you need only look at the current House of Representatives.

  •  On queue .. not enough negative news on (15+ / 0-)

    the President , so it's time to fill the void.

    Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by destiny1 on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:56:04 AM PDT

  •  Here we go ... (4+ / 0-)

    I sense a "food fight" coming on ...  but anyway.

    Trully, the President's position on the tar sands has been clear to me - he agrees with it!  More's the pity.
    He also agrees with fracking, "clean coal" and just about any source of energy.  That's not a position which is likely to make friends in the environmental community.  

    As far as Afghanistan goes, the military is just plain stubborn about it.  It's clear to the non-military community that Afghanistan is a lost cause. Sadly the military doesn't care that is it a lost cause and won't be happy unless they are fighting some sort of war.  Even worse, our politicians won't step up to challenge this perpetual war mind set.  Again, more's the pity.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:08:26 AM PDT

    •  agrees with it? Not exactly (2+ / 0-)
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      I think the president is willing to consider the pipeline if it's possible to do it without significant environmental risk in the areas where the pipe will be laid.

      Now, I know that there are many people who passionately believe that the tar sands should not be touched in the first place, but whether the pipeline is built through the U.S. or not won't affect that.

      •  It directly effects it. (1+ / 0-)
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        the corporation can not get a pipeline to the west coast easily in Canada because of opposition, and they can't easily get approval to build the giant polluting refinery they will need to process it.  Their easiest and cheapest plan is that pipeline and if they don't get it, it will set the plan back years.  And setting them back years is a good thing for anybody who believes that the long term health of this planet is paramount over making a few dollars in the sort term.  A program building thousands of wind turbines would increase US energy, decrease dependence of fossil fuels and create jobs.

    •  Then why didn't he approve it? (6+ / 0-)

      Like it or not, the Keystone XL pipeline is quite popular.  By opposing it, he's handed the Republicans a useful issue, especially when they are pushing a line of attack about high energy prices.

      So we're supposed to believe that he has blocked a project he supports, knowing it would do him political damage...for what?  To consolidate the support of the massive, politically-dominant environmentalist voting bloc?

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:18:36 AM PDT

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    •  It's not just environmental (3+ / 0-)
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      It's also important to insure these kinds of projects will have any real impact on energy prices and less dependence on foreign oil.  Too often, the public assumes they will, without knowing the facts.

      These programs present us with a great bargaining chip to use to improve energy policy in exchange for approval. We shouldn't be giving away these things without extracting every last bit of public benefit from them as possible.  

      We keep getting caught in these messes because we don't take advantage of opportunities when they present themselves, we don't bother to develop really detailed energy policy.

      No GOP-lite Democrats in 2016. Let's elect a real Democrat next time.

      by Betty Pinson on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:21:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Speaking of physical moves President Obama... (32+ / 0-)

    made this week, I really enjoyed when he responded in sign language to a hearing-impaired supporter.

    In that light, I'm sending you some sign language right now.

    Can you see it?

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:15:09 AM PDT

  •  Missed Some (29+ / 0-)

    How about his twisting away from the Republicans and getting the Affordable Care Act through so that some people at least are able to get health insurance?

    Or getting around homophobes and the repeal of DADT so that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters can openly serve in the armed forces?

    Or how about his stealth turn to get Osama Bin Laden?

    Or his greeting to the troops that were brought home from Iraq?

    Or his end run around the obstructionists and appointing Richard Cordray to help consumers who have been screwed over by big business?

    Or how about the compassionate side like his speech in Arizona after Gabrielle Gifford had been shot?

    Or about how he can pick up a phone and call Susan Fluke after Rush vilified her?

    Or his ability to twist away and do Presidential Executive Orders to get some protections out for consumers since Congress won't?

    Oh sorry those are positive things and you only do negative when it comes to Obama. Sure you don't want to go over to Fox News they do the same type of fair and balanced you do?

    "Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much." Oscar Wilde

    by michelewln on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:28:10 AM PDT

  •  “The green reed which bends in the wind... (7+ / 0-)

    is stronger than the mighty oak which breaks in a storm.”
    - Confucius

    Ever see the video of Drew Bledsoe being hit by Mo Lewis?  Hey, look at me, I'm going to show everyone that I'm Mr. Tough Guy, and crash right into that linebacker who's coming at me!  Too bad about your aorta, and your career, Drew.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:49:10 AM PDT

  •  It's getting awful late, Matt, for these kinds of (20+ / 0-)

    cheap shots.  Or haven't you noticed the depths to which our actual opponents are committed to take us?

    The purity-pragmatist arguments are all tired and they've gone to bed.  Please let them sleep.  They need their rest and we have work to do.

  •  My problem with the cartoon isn't with (14+ / 0-)

    the issues it takes on, which are certainly fair game.  But the drawings themselves always make me cringe.  I find this cartoonist's visual take on the President demeaning and his caricatures "feel" racist to me.  That's a personal take, but I feel nauseas looking at his drawings of Obama.

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 06:55:53 AM PDT

    •  It's easy to see racism in front of you and it's (1+ / 0-)
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      easy to see racism when you're looking for it.  The hard part is telling the difference.  

      Rick Perry is George Bush without brains.

      by thestructureguy on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:33:31 AM PDT

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    •  Caricatures always overemphasize the physical (2+ / 0-)
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      features of the person being drawn, which is what makes them caricatures.  A quick googling up of images of the President show his most noticeable features are his strong chin, lips, and nose.  His ears are only really visible because of the tight haircut, they're not really all that large.  So he gets larger lips, and a chin you could crack walnuts with.  If anything, the artist doesn't go out of his way to exaggerate the President's nose, but instead decided to go with the ears, which get the 'Spock' treatment.

      I won't deny your right to hold whatever feelings you have, but I have to say I've seen other artists whose work screams 'racism' far more strongly to me than Wuerker.

      •  All true points, but it's more (1+ / 0-)
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        than just the exaggerated lips, in the case of Wuerker, stretched over gleaming white teeth, and the other features, it's also the baffoonish, demeaning poses that he's so fond of using to make Obama look like a pathetic, groveling fool.  This particular image by Wuerker really got my hackles up, but the message of today's cartoon does much the same thing.  It presents President Obama as desperate and clownish, a man who will do anything to please his masters.  That concept has a sad racist history.  Clearly, this is the point of the both cartoons, but it flies in the face of the bright, dignified, educated and deeply thoughtful man in the White House.  Whom does it help in the current climate to portray the President this way?  

        Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

        by SottoVoce on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 01:17:20 PM PDT

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        •  I actually figured that your distaste stemmed from (0+ / 0-)

          the earlier cartoon originally, as I remember how much that particular one set people on edge.

          I think there simply is a cultural difference and ignorance that plays out.  Before the discussion under the prior cartoon, I'd never even heard of 'minstrelsy' - it wasn't in any of my education, which, admittedly pretty much ignored African Americans entirely, given that I grew up in a dark red section of Ohio.  So what automatically throws up hackles for some is meaningless to others.  Alice in Wonderland was part of my cultural landscape, minstrelsy was not.

          I also don't see this cartoon as 'clownish', 'desperate', or 'trying to please his masters'.  Such views are, again, dependent upon the viewpoint of the observer, but to me there is nothing inherently 'clownish' about yoga.  Certainly one could argue that any time a person appears in a cartoon they are 'clownish', I guess, in that presumably there is supposed to be some humor to a cartoon, and that caricatures are inherently 'clownish'.  So each and every person that appears in Wuerker's work would be 'clownish' by that standard.  In the cartoon you linked, Boehner, Norquist and Bachmann all look equally 'clownish'.

          Who are 'his masters'?  Each pose speaks to something different, whether oil interests, war interests, or the right side of Congress. (I'll ignore the 'no drama' since I can't even come up with a possible 'master' for that.)  Are you just automatically saying anyone he seems to align with automatically becomes 'his master' and that he is merely 'pleasing them' by agreeing with them (and that's taking the simplistic assumption that apparent alignments actually are agreements)?

          It seems more to me that you took a serious dislike to the artist after the first cartoon, and that that is coloring your view of any of his future work.

          My own take is that this is, as others have suggested, simply 'filler'.  The artist hasn't thought up anything to publish that's particularly topical, so he probably started with one idea (my guess would be the 'double reversal') and when he came up with the idea that it might be considered a yoga move, looked around for several others he could stick in to fit the 'yoga theme' (or almost yoda theme, given those pointy ears).

          •  You're free to interpret my discomfort with (0+ / 0-)

            this cartoon and that "Madder" one as this:

            It seems more to me that you took a serious dislike to the artist after the first cartoon, and that that is coloring your view of any of his future work.
            I haven't protested the rest of Wuerker's images (athough he's certainly not my favorite cartoonist here on DKos); only these two, and for the same issue.  When something strikes a person as distasteful, it doesn't stand to reason that they have a pre-disposition to come to that conclusion.  One look will do it.

            As for "filler"--I think you may be right.  In view of recent events, the President's ridiculous but terrifying adversaries, the war on women and workers and immigrants and the poor and healthcare that has come about since the "Madder" cartoon, I believe Wuerker could find something more compelling to fill the space with than more contorted images showing the out-of-date "bipartisanship" schtick.  But that's me.

            Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

            by SottoVoce on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:08:18 PM PDT

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  •  I get it: Obama sucks! Right? Did I figure it out? (4+ / 0-)

    Psst! Did you know? He's not really a LABEL. He's really a LABEL.

  •  I'm glad the president has a better sense of humor (5+ / 0-)

    than most of the respondents.

    I doubt anyone could have done much better over the last 3 years. Even so, he didn't do everthing right.

    But, I'm voting for him.

    The finest and highest attribute of wealth is the ability to accomplish significant directed good.

    by Boris49 on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:13:54 AM PDT

    •  a sense of humor is tremendously important (5+ / 0-)

      but lots of really toxic stuff gets excused as humor.  All those racist emails sent out by Republican functionaries of Obama with a bone through his nose or watermelons on the White House lawn, etc., or those hilarious "jokes" about murdering the President and his family are dismissed as "humor" as well.  When people express outrage, the sender always says they meant it as a joke, and people should just lighten up.  What could be funnier than calling Sandra Fluke a slut?  That's just Rush's "humor"!  I'm not buying it.

      I love send-ups and you are correct that President Obama has an abiding sense of humor.  But even borderline racist, demeaning caricatures are not the kind of "humor" that feels appropriate on the front page of Daily Kos when right now in this country there are a sizable number of people who believe wearing a hoodie is considered sufficient reason to murder an unarmed black child.  I believe one can be funny, and take on the same issues this cartoon satirizes without that particular kind of "humor."

      Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

      by SottoVoce on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:31:46 AM PDT

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    •  Sense of humor only works when something is funny (2+ / 0-)
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      this ain't.

      "But much to my surprise when I opened my eyes I was the victim of the great compromise." John Prine

      by high uintas on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:49:14 AM PDT

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    •  I for one (2+ / 0-)
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      am glad we're going out of our way to identify the real flip flopped in this race. watering down the strongest criticism of the GOP candidate is seriously super helpful.

      anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

      by chopper on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:27:46 AM PDT

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      •  Pft. (1+ / 0-)
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        Flip flopping is far from the 'strongest argument' against Romney.  He's a bloodsucking parasitic plutocrat who made his millions laying people off.  If 'flip flopping' is all you're going to throw at him, then yeah, the President might actually have a race to run to win.

        •  i didn't say (0+ / 0-)

          it was all anybody had to throw at him. but yeah, his flip-flopping really is his biggest weakness. people of all political stripes hate that shit. you think goopers hate on the guy because he's a plutocrat? fuck no. flip-flopping is an equal opportunity negative quality. why the hell do you think the gop primary has been going on this long without a clear winner?

          anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

          by chopper on Mon Mar 26, 2012 at 07:47:28 AM PDT

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    •  He has a good sense of humor. (1+ / 0-)
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      He also ignores this site.

      "Okay, until next time. Keep sending me your questions, and I will make fun of you... I mean, answer them." - Strong Bad

      by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:25:09 PM PDT

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  •  Actually, I think this cartoon (1+ / 0-)
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    paints Obama in a far better light than a similar cartoon would paint Romney or Santorum.

    Consider:

    How bad is contemplation? Do we want a president who always shoots from the hip?

    Is it wrong to reach across the aisle? Is unremitting partisanship a better path?

    Should a pipeline be approved without a thought towards the environment?

    The fourth panel has perhaps a good point behind it. I think Obama was right to focus on Afghanistan from the start. This was our best chance to get Osama. Indeed, a presence in Afghanistan was a key part of the operation. But as soon as we eliminated him and got his hard drives, we should have announced an intention to withdraw as soon as possible.

    All in all, the cartoon paints Obama as a pretty damn good president. If this is the worst the cartoonist can come up with, then the ink has been wasted.

    Occupy is the symptom. Fundamental reform is the cure.

    by Tim DeLaney on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:16:26 AM PDT

  •  Opposing flexibility in principle is insane. (9+ / 0-)

    You know what an inflexible liberal President looks like?  Jimmy Carter giving making the concession phone call to Ronald Reagan.

    I'd rather have slightly-watered down policies that pass, than to spend the next thirty years talking about the solar panels that were on the White House roof for a little while, then got torn down.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:22:10 AM PDT

  •  It is our JOB to get Obama back in and defeat (8+ / 0-)

    Mitt the Pitts.

    No one has to sling any dirt (or cartoons) at President Obama. Romney is probably going to spend 5 or 600 million dollars doing that on his own.

    Let's get behind Obama - he does care - and then focus are unity on demanding he do the right thing - once we get him there.

    PLEASE, by all means possible, THINK for yourself? Then make a difference in the world; by doing something good for someone else today.

    by laserhaas on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:24:56 AM PDT

    •  Don't forget, he needs solid Dem majorities (3+ / 0-)
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      in both houses of Congress in order to do that!

      (a little detail so often conveniently overlooked around this site)

      Just sayin'

      Support a starving artisan: Buy My Stuff New bracelets just listed!

      by jan4insight on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 11:53:47 AM PDT

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      •  I am so with you, jan. (2+ / 0-)
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        Wish there was more talk around here about how we're going to hold the senate, not to mention take back the house. Not as sexy as a sux rox battle I guess.

        I have suggested in several comments an "adopt a senator" campaign here at Dkos, wherein those of us with relatively safe reps can choose an imperiled senator from elsewhere and lend our support with donations and time.  We could even team up with say, Moveon.org to launch such a campaign.

        There are too many who still think it's all about Obama.  But the truth is, if we don't at least hold the senate, an Obama victory will be hollow.

        •  On that note - I have a great Senate candidate (2+ / 0-)
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          for y'all to support: Martin Heinrich, currently House Rep for NM-01, is running for an open* Senate seat against the loathsome, execrable Koch & Haliburton-backed Heather Wilson!

          Anyone who's at all familiar with NM politics will recognize these names. Since my time right is short now, let's just say that Martin is a liberal Democrat whom I've been proud to support during his short tenure in the House. And we really need to keep NM's Senate seat blue! Here's a link to Martin's website, which has a contribute link:

          http://www.martinheinrich.com/

          And, because Martin's House seat will be vacated - we need to keep that blue, too! My choice for Rep is Eric Griego, who has one of the most progressive track records at th elocal level I've seen in a long time. His website:

          http://griegoforcongress.com/

          These campaigns, to the best of my knowledge, are mostly grass-roots funded. Even small donations are welcome. Please to help us keep New Mexico blue!

          Kthxbai :)

          * oh yeah - forgot to say, that Senate seat is open because our long-term Dem Senator Jeff Bingaman is retiring.

          Support a starving artisan: Buy My Stuff New bracelets just listed!

          by jan4insight on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 02:48:58 PM PDT

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          •  I keep trying to assist the hard dems -Bill Barnes (2+ / 0-)
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            and the like. But I am encouraged with Elizabeth Warren.

            We need an Obama POTUS - House/ Senate Dem and NO excuses for getting the jobs we need done!

            PLEASE, by all means possible, THINK for yourself? Then make a difference in the world; by doing something good for someone else today.

            by laserhaas on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 02:53:01 PM PDT

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          •  See-- (2+ / 0-)
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            This is just the kind of information I'd like to see organized on this site under a banner of helping candidates like the one you discuss here.  

            And I would love to see a stamp appear this summer and fall, on all the site's articles, like the one for the Komen controversy that popped up a few months ago, leading us to "adopting a senator!" and to a place on the site where we can get info and choose where to put our money.

            SIGH, I might just have to write a diary on this.   I just think info like you've just shared needs to be organized and focused on this site so it doesn't just float away with other comments.

  •  When Cry "Walker" and let slip the dogs of fear IS (1+ / 0-)
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    about the ONLY thing you have to run on -

    because the BIG deci$ion$ went they're way

    and a few little decisions got tossed our way -

    most of the country actually knows that letting gay-ly married Lilly Ledbetter get birth control ain't gonna matter worth a shit when we're ALL working 15 rotating 3 hour shifts a week, AHIP-Care Pharma-Care AIG-Care 'benefits' at 46 hours -

    I keep sending my DNC envelopes back with NO postage and "F...U...2" written on the pledge paperwork.

    rmm

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:37:00 AM PDT

    •  May I respectfully ask (8+ / 0-)

      why you are here, then? On this site, which is dedicated to electing Democrats, I mean.

      It's one thing to criticize; it is quite another to actively harm the party.

      •  we define Democrats differently - HOPEfully non (0+ / 0-)

        DLC Turd Way New Dem Yuppie Sell Out Scum will arise out of the ashes of our increasing irrelevant Democratic party -

        I'm looking for 200 and 400 Alan Graysons - since you're satisfied with getting sold out, decade after decade

        keep supporting sell outs!

        IF you think supporting sell outs does NOT harm the party - whoa !!

        rmm.  

        Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

        by seabos84 on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:51:07 AM PDT

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      •  One Man's "Harming the Party" (5+ / 0-)

        is another man's attempting to save it.  If frank and strong criticism becomes taboo, we cease to operate in a democratic manner, we are relegated to passively cheerleading whatever policies are fed us from above.

        Attempts to quiet principled dissent within our party in the service of unity are inherently antidemocraric, regressive and illiberal; by doing so we become that which we profess to oppose.

        Advisors for President-Elect Barack Obama feared the new administration would face a coup if it prosecuted Bush-era war crimes, according to a new report out this morning.

        by Kurt Sperry on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:14:19 AM PDT

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        •  Dissent is one thing (0+ / 0-)

          Sending back letters without postage in order to cost the party is a bit beyond that.  In what way could you consider this a sincere attempt to "save" the party? I am in favor of holding elected officials accountable, but I would not characterize this particular action as "principled dissent".

          •  It's an expression of strong disapproval. (2+ / 0-)
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            It's an emphatic refutation of the message. It's not my style, when I asked to be removed from the OFA mailing list I simply laid out my reasons in brief (didn't want to invest much time into something that will at best be briefly glanced at and thrown away) but some may want to send a stronger message.

            I understand that intraparty debate looks counterproductive and perhaps even destructive or disloyal from the perspective of someone happy with the prevailing direction of the party, but it is not only the right and privilege of those holding disagreements with that prevailing policy direction to make their disagreement known and heard but in fact their duty to do so.

            Politicians by and large have no ideological principles that they aren't willing to bargain away to advance their own interests.  They will do and say whatever benefits them and puts them at the least risk.  More or less unconditionally supporting a politician is thus in a real sense an unprincipled position.  You aren't supporting a concrete set of policies because that's not what a pragmatic politician- however charismatic- holds.  By announcing support for a politician you give them no further reason to care about or listen to anything you believe in.  If they want to expand their base of support they only have one demographic pool they must bargain with: those who aren't already declared supporters. So supporting a politician is not only inherently to a degree unprincipled, it is also inherently dis-empowering.

            Which is a long way of saying that those who disagree with or want to affect change in mainstream top-down party policy or even just make their voice heard have only one means of doing so- making their displeasure with that status quo known.  Being among the cheering crowd for a charismatic politician feels empowering; the truth is very different however.  

            Advisors for President-Elect Barack Obama feared the new administration would face a coup if it prosecuted Bush-era war crimes, according to a new report out this morning.

            by Kurt Sperry on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 01:19:45 PM PDT

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    •  Then quit wasting your time here. (1+ / 0-)
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      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:08:26 AM PDT

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  •  Have Those Made Indignant By This (2+ / 0-)
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    actually refuted its gently enunciated message?

    The truth is that Obama is the Democratic analog of Romney, a politician whose pragmatic impulses outweigh whatever ideological impulses he may possess. Both are men apparently willing to bend their policies to suit whatever direction the wind is blowing at the moment.

    The differences are that Obama unlike Romney has rhetorical brilliance and that they are triangulating from a different corner. Obama can generally sell his rhetoric to the base whereas Romney has more trouble doing so.  But both are centrist, corporate, status quo pragmatists who can be relied on not to challenge that status quo if doing so carries any risk to their political life and who will feed the base what they want to hear and then bargain it away whenever deemed necessary.

    Whether that flexibility is an asset or a liability seems to be the question and the answer is that it has apparently served both men well at advancing themselves and their careers.  

    Advisors for President-Elect Barack Obama feared the new administration would face a coup if it prosecuted Bush-era war crimes, according to a new report out this morning.

    by Kurt Sperry on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:07:50 AM PDT

    •  You say (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama is the "Demoratic analog of Romney."  Well, only in the sense that both are politicians, and ALL politicians who get something done have pragmatic impulses that outweigh their ideological impulses when they perceive it necessary. Period. The matter of degree here is the issue, and in that regard, to compare Obama to Romney is deeply flawed.

      Do you think that Obama's "rhetorical brilliance" is untethered to his essence, to his intelligence, to his values, to his decency?  Do you think Romney's speeches are mere analogs of Obama's speeches?   It is tiresome to hear so often how Obama's "rhetorical brilliance," is somehow disassociated with who he is and what his dreams are, whether he can deliver them or not.

      "But both are centrist, corporate, status quo pragmatists who can be relied on not to challenge that status quo if doing so carries any risk to their political life..."

      To say that Obama did not challenge the status quo with the AFC is laughable.  It has now made it to the Supreme Court, challenged by 17 states, and has become the premiere platform of the GOP to defeat Obama, as well as one of the most contentious issues in America today.

      To say that was not a risk, to say he didn't invest incredible political capital and risk in getting SOMETHING done regarding health scare, despite that he couldn't get everything you wanted---well you've got to be workin' it hard on the cup half empty side, and of course, there's always a cup half empty argument to be made, for every president.

      The above is true for many of the things Obama has accomplished.  And you will see the risks he took in every ad the GOP executes against him in the coming election, as you have already seen it in their talking points.    

      I'll end with the meaning of analog:

      An organ or structure that is similar in function to one in another kind of organism but is of dissimilar evolutionary origin. The wings of birds and the wings of insects are analogs.

      Well, both birds and insects can fly, but they are entirely different creatures.

    •  Not a single one. (0+ / 0-)

      All they've said is"But But But - he has to be reelected!"

      I mean fuck Afghanistan. Who cares?

    •  This discussion has be rehashed so many times (0+ / 0-)

      is even less funny than the comic.

      "Okay, until next time. Keep sending me your questions, and I will make fun of you... I mean, answer them." - Strong Bad

      by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:23:14 PM PDT

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  •  this comic is a waste of space... (7+ / 0-)

    like most of the comics on this site.

    how about something that gets us to use our imagination, or gets us to think about something NEW or look at something from a NEW angle? You know, like a good political cartoon does? Too many on this site are little more than illustrated talking points, painfully obvious and not very funny (Tom Tomorrow and (???) the dancing bug (/) are notable exceptions)...

    Ho hum. Obama bends over backwards to compromise...wow, that sure is news! Certainly the top story this week. Guess originality is the victim a deadline.

    Geez..... Was the cartoonist cleaning out the freezer and found this leftover from last summer?

  •  ha ha ha NOT (6+ / 0-)

    Too bad Politico doesn't even put you in their published paper.

    I ♥ President Barack Obama.

    by ericlewis0 on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:14:08 AM PDT

  •  "let's post something guaranteed..." (3+ / 0-)

    to start a front-page pie fight. Good call, good call.

  •  Presidential legacies are complex (7+ / 0-)

    Not since FDR has a president done so much to transform this country.  President Obama has accomplished so much in such a short period of time, I think some forget how much has actually been accomplished.  One can disagree with specific policy.  One can argue that certain polices went too far or haven't gone far enough.  But the long list of accomplishments of this president in a little more than three years, and all in the face of republican obstruction, is quite amazing.

    I don't agree with President Obama on every policy decision, but as an adult, I understood that going in.  Presidential legacies are complex.  There isn't a politician alive that makes their constituen­­­­cy happy all the time.  You take the good with the bad, and in the end, hope that it all comes out in the best interest of the country.

    Love this president or not, he is getting a lot done.  For those who believe in thoughtful and competent government, and for those who believe that government has a vital role in addressing problems, and for those who voted for strong, intelligent leadership and a change of direction from the previous administration, there is a great deal to be thankful for.

    •  FDR put a whole race of Americans in concentration (0+ / 0-)

      camps.

      FDR tried to balance the budget and made the economy worse in the late 30's.

      Progressives were outraged that Social Security didn't go far enough, and they thought it was a total sellout of progressive principles.

      FDR managed this with a massive supermajority in congress.

      And yet FDR is seen as some kind of holy saintly figure.

      Would you guys support President Obama ordering all Arab or Muslim Americans (i recognize Muslim isn't a "race) to be relocated to camps? If not, why not?

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:03:00 AM PDT

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  •  Nobody said cartoonists have to be talented... (5+ / 0-)

    or have a clue.  

    As long as somebody is willing to pay them for their shit...

    •  Wuerker IS talented.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....and does have a CLUE...

      But this cartoon does seem like he was cleaning out his freezer and found this mess left over from last summer....

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:13:28 AM PDT

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  •  Grilled yak haunch strips (3+ / 0-)
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    Ingredients

        2 tablespoons onion powder
        2 tablespoons garlic powder
        2 tablespoons ground ginger
        2 tablespoons ground coriander
        1 tablespoon ground cumin
        1 tablespoon ground cayenne
        1 tablespoon ground turmeric
        1 tablespoon ground white pepper
        1 tablespoon kosher salt
        3 (8-ounce) yak haunch strips
        3 tablespoons vegetable oil
        4 pita breads, warmed on the grill
        Tomato Jam, recipe follows
        Herbed Yogurt, recipe follows

    Directions

    Heat grill to medium-high. Combine all spices and the oil in a medium bowl to make a paste. Rub a thin layer of the spice paste onto 1 side of each yak strip. Grill for 3 to 4 minutes on each side or until slightly charred and just cooked through. Remove from the grill, let rest 5 minutes, and cut lengthwise into 1/2-inch thick slices. Serve openface on pitas: the yak slices, a few dollops of Tomato Jam, and a drizzle of Herbed Yogurt.
    Grilled Tomato Jam:

        5 plum tomatoes
        1 serrano chile
        2 tablespoons vegetable oil, plus more for grilling
        Salt and freshly ground pepper
        1 small Spanish onion, chopped
        3 tablespoons balsamic vinegar
        Pinch saffron

    Heat grill to high. Brush tomatoes and serrano with oil and season with salt and pepper. Grill tomatoes and serrano on all sides until charred. Remove from the grill and coarsely chop.

    Heat oil in a medium saucepan on the grates of the grill or on the side burners. Add the onion and cook until soft. Add the tomatoes, serrano, balsamic vinegar, and saffron and cook until thickened. Season with salt and pepper. Transfer to a bowl and let cool to room temperature before serving.
    Herbed Yogurt:

        1 cup Greek yogurt
        1/4 cup chopped fresh mint leaves
        1/4 cup chopped fresh cilantro leaves
        Salt and freshly ground pepper

    Place all ingredients in a food processor and process until smooth. Season with salt and pepper, to taste. Refrigerate if not using immediately.

    •  In the middle of the recipe (3+ / 0-)
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      ...you missed a line.  Let me add it for you:

      Fly to Nepal, go on a hunting trip and shoot one medium Yak.  Butcher, bone and filet....

      Okay, carry on....

      (Sounds yummy.  I suppose we can substitute cow if they're out of Yak down at Trader Joe's...)

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:18:07 AM PDT

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  •  Additional postures... (1+ / 0-)
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    We might add the Guantanamo core reversal, the NDAA double-down inversion, the drone strike back-breaker, and the single payer twisted flip-flop.

  •  Notice how the diarist and the recc'ers of the (7+ / 0-)

    diarist equate the slamming of the president with the "truth,"
    and the supporting of him as a "lie." (Notice that Slinkerwink only comes back on here lately when there's an opportunity to slam him?)

    These are the people who are in our way of him getting reelected, because they drain our energies arguing with them
    and dealing with them. I suggest we absolutely start ignoring them and putting our energies into defeating the Republicans. It's a big job, and we need all our energies to do it.

    I've felt great about usually staying away from crap like this
    and this may be the last time I throw away a comment on it.
    Pool those energies and let's get to work!

    "...be still, and cry not aloud; for it is an unholy thing to boast over slain men." Odysseus, in Homer's Odyssey

    by Wildthumb on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:12:49 AM PDT

  •  So funny becuse it is (sadly) so true. (4+ / 0-)

    They could add the "Obama Yoga Health Care Public Option Secret Drug Lobby Handshake and Head Fake" yoga position.

    "Obama Yoga Secret Drone Peeking in Your Window" position.

    "Obama Yoga Secret Military Policy Kill You Anytime, Anywhere" position.

    "Obama Yoga 360 deg Head Twist Don't See No BP Oil Spill" position.

    And of course, the latest and most important

    "Obama Yoga Lesser of Two Evils so Elect Me" position.

  •  My view of this comic? (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jan4insight, kalmoth, scribe, ericlewis0

    crap

    Just my opinion, YMMV.

    "But much to my surprise when I opened my eyes I was the victim of the great compromise." John Prine

    by high uintas on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 09:55:35 AM PDT

  •  There's an election on, and this ... (5+ / 0-)

    Is purist Naderite Greenwaldian bullshit. What the fuck is the point of this? 'Look at me I'm an independent truth-teller'?

    Congratulations. You are so much better than us.

    •  holy crap - (5+ / 0-)
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      triv33, poligirl, Little, gooderservice, PhilJD

      LOLs. So telling the truth?
      And being honest?
      And NOT  burying your head in the sand?
      And pretending that every horrible decision YAAAAY For Keystone  YAAAAY !! made by this administration.
      Now gets the label of being a Naderite Greenwaldian?
      That is funny.
      Doesn't make Democrats sound too good though.
      I like my truth handing to me without bullshit and propaganda. I've had enough of that for the past three years.
      When the bad things Obama does, get cheered on because...well because we MUST! or else?
      You of course should understand how how Bush still had his core group of supporters who refused to see his mistakes.

      Obama will win 2012. So don't worry about a few cartoons or comments.

      You are not an Environmentalist if you support the brutal, cruel, inhuman life and slaughter of animals in Factory Farms which produce 18 percent of greenhouse gas emissions worldwide.

      by Christin on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 10:43:53 AM PDT

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  •  A pootie's take on this cartoon: (2+ / 0-)
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    ericlewis0, AaronInSanDiego

    lol cat-is-pushing-a-watermelon-across-a-lake-your-argument-is-invalid

    Support a starving artisan: Buy My Stuff New bracelets just listed!

    by jan4insight on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 11:55:13 AM PDT

  •  I hope you got paid for this comic (3+ / 0-)

    i can't think of any other good that could come out of it

    i think my cat is possessed by dick cheney

    by Anton Bursch on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 12:22:24 PM PDT

  •  Oh swell: handing ammo to the enemy (2+ / 0-)
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    ericlewis0, AZ RedWingsFan

    Exactly what possible benefit is there to publishing this kind of demeaning, disrespectful cartoon on the front page of a progressive website in an election year?  Just exactly how does this help insure the reelection of a sitting Democratic President?

    When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy

    by scribe on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 01:25:06 PM PDT

  •  It would be fair to say that I do not like this (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ericlewis0, scribe, AZ RedWingsFan

    this cartoon.  That is more than I can say for the cartoonist.

    My opinion?  The cartoon is nothing more than a conglomeration of the cartoonists pet peeves about the President.  Not funny.  Not clever.  Not engaging.

     

  •  Come ON! (0+ / 0-)

    Is the 11th commandment of though shalt not criticize the President during an election year in force?

    •  actually it was: (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      PhilJD

      To not to speak ill of another of your party at all.  It wasn't contingent upon political season.

      And it was a Reagan mindset.  A Republican mindset.  A conservative mindset.

      It's farcical that so many Dems adhere to a fundamentally conservative mindset, just so long as it applies to "our" guy.

      The tragic results of the mindset are not so farcical.

      What's wrong under Republicans is still wrong under Democrats.

      by gila on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 05:17:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This is not helping. (0+ / 0-)

    Obama is not perfect. But he's damn good. Don't let the perfect get in the way of the good.

    Or put another way, if you want an under-motivated base, keep posting crap like this.

  •  meh (0+ / 0-)

    mildly clever, not really amusing or insightful.

    "Okay, until next time. Keep sending me your questions, and I will make fun of you... I mean, answer them." - Strong Bad

    by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 03:16:32 PM PDT

  •  It's not funny, useful, or appropriate IMHO /nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  Comparisons to Romney are not apt. (0+ / 0-)

    Trick with Romney is, he's trying to cover for not being a doctrinaire conservative by Etch-a-Sketching everything.  Obama's been more than honest about being bipartisan and flexible about things.

    Simple question: In the years since Republicans successfully urged the disempowering of workers and unions in the Midwest, what has happened to those states economies?

    by Stephen Daugherty on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 07:34:23 PM PDT

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