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Maybe I'm over-reacting, but it seems to me that the bad guys are winning.

We have the Trayvon Martin murder. Bottom line question. If the young man was a 17 year old white male; would he have been shot? I seriously doubt it.

Today in San Diego, a 32 year old woman from Iraq was severely beaten. A hate note was left at the scene. She had received hate notes before.

It goes on and on. We have the war on workers going on in many states. We also have the war on women going on in many states. We have the Republicans trying to prevent minorities and seniors from being able to vote. The FBI says that the number of hate groups has increased exponentially since President Obama was elected. The number of guns sales is through the roof. It goes on and on and on.

I am scared to death what will happen in the next seven months before the election.

Where is all this hate coming from? Has it always been here?

I'm 61 years old. I know when I was growing up we had the KKK and civil rights battles. Women were kept out of the workplace - or at least kept in certain categories of jobs that were okay for women. But I have to say, it never seemed this bad. Maybe now we are just more aware of it because of 24 hour news, the internet and social media.

This is supposed to be a democracy. Democracy is messy, but things are supposed to be settled at the ballot box. Not with guns. We are supposed to have intelligent discussions on the issues of the day. Not all this hate.

Is it just my imagination, or are things worse now than previously? Where is this all going to end? What can we do to stop it and have cooler heads prevail? I'm scared for this country.

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  •  the bad guys are losing. (4+ / 0-)

    Yes they have always been ahead and are still ahead now.

    However, they are not now and never have been winning.

    They are ahead, but they are losing.  

    Sadly, the rest of us are also losing, and more so, at their hands.

  •  I'm In Your Age Group; They've Been Winning (5+ / 0-)

    overall since the late 70's, and in labor law since the 50's or earlier.

    The hate has always been there. My activities have put me into RW churches and other cultural groups since the 1960's and it was always there. Big conservative money that began taking over the country starting around the 60's reached out to these factions to mobilize them for their populist voting and GOTV blocks, and they've been gaining strength since sometime between the Beatles and disco.

    By the time of Cheers we were in very, very deep trouble.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 07:32:05 PM PDT

    •  That's why they both hated and loved (2+ / 0-)
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      The Cosby Show.

      Hated, because here was a successful Black middle class family in a "non-Black" part of town, who were NOT conservative.

      Loved because they could point to it and say "See?  We're not racists.  We love Cosby"

      "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

      by zenbassoon on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 07:36:15 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I am scared too. (6+ / 0-)

    I think they are losing and they know it.  That is the reason they are ratcheting up the violent rhetoric.  What I really fear is not what happens before the election, but after.  If the president wins reelection I fear that states like Arizona and Wyoming will threaten secession to get what they want.  That is why they are trying to create paramilitary forces.  Not that they will really secede, but they want to force a showdown with the Feds and force them to accept what they cannot win in elections.  I only worry about anything happening before the election if it becomes very obvious that the Republican candidate will lose badly and take the House and Senate with him.  Then there might be violent intimidation of Democrats as a last ditched effort to hold power.

    I aim to misbehave.

    by warprof on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 07:44:38 PM PDT

  •  Bad guys are winning, but bad guys never win n/t (0+ / 0-)

    I will vote for Obama, and every Democrat I can vote for, in 2012.

    by Food Gas Lodging on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 08:01:22 PM PDT

  •  The rethugs are fast becoming the party (6+ / 0-)

    of elderly, rural rednecks. That demographic is evaporating before their eyes, it's still around, but it is fading fast. We may need nerves of steel to last out the next few years, but it's just short of a done deal, the rethugs are finished, and what you are hearing is a 'death rattle', sounds nasty, but it doesn't mean much. The rethugs have entered one of natures wonders, a demographic 'black hole', they are moving faster and faster toward oblivion.

    May you live in interesting times--Chinese curse

    by oldcrow on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 08:10:18 PM PDT

  •  They're Winning At Getting People To Vote Against (3+ / 0-)

    their own interest......mainly in the south.  Other than that, they've lost women, Latinos, African Americans & are in the process of losing Independents.  

    This is their last stab.  Letting a religious nut like Rick Santorum  loose on a national stage should finish them off.   He's the underbelly of the Republican party.....& they exposed it.  

  •  The Repubs have legitimized them. (1+ / 0-)
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    Unlike, say, the Repubs of 30 years ago did.

    So, in that sense, yeah, they are winning.

    If Obama doesn't deserve credit for getting Bin Laden because he didn't pull the trigger, Bin Laden doesn't deserve the blame for 9-11 because he didn't fly the planes.

    by Bush Bites on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 08:28:57 PM PDT

  •  I am about your age. Things are changing for the (5+ / 0-)
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    better.

    Read Steven Pinker's The Better Angels of Our Nature. He documents in detail declines in violence over the past few centuries. There is less war and there is less murder, especially in the economically developed countries. Freakonomics also covers the decline in violence since the 1980s.

    Why don't we notice this? One reason is the recency effect- we remember recent events more vividly than ones long ago. A second reason is that information is much more available, so we have the possibility of hearing about bad things that we once would have been ignorant about. The third reason is that media has gotten very good at manipulating our emotions, and one of the best ways to do that is to play up violence.

    What to do? Stop watching TV, especially TV news. Read a bit of history: the real stuff, about what people's lives were in the past, not a bunch of crap about kings and battles. We have problems, but almost anyone from the past would consider this to be a golden age.

  •  Nope the level of brutality is actually falling (1+ / 0-)
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    It is just that we have so many ways beyond corporate media to spread stories far and wide and get people s reactions heard. We are having a great discussion now. Open between all peoples. It is the authoritarians who are seeking to silence the crosstalk. Some use the tubes to spread thier ugly spirits and minds. They are loud, pushy and monstrous but they are exposing thier ugliness to all. Most find them disturbing and wrong . There is nothing inherently life affirming or spiritual about them... they are exploding out and doing really creepy nasty stuff and they are exposing themselves.

    I really think what we are seeing is waking people up. They used to scapegoat marginal groups and the republicans still do. It is painful but we need this to move up another level. I just hope all the work and struggle isn't lost to what we are doing to our planet and the other life on it. Thats what makes me despair sometimes.

    Proud Slut...Fear is the Mind Killer

    by boophus on Sat Mar 24, 2012 at 09:25:53 PM PDT

  •  They're losing big-time (3+ / 0-)
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    Although not evenly across the nation.

    Marriage equality is rapidly becoming accepted, and not because old folks are dying off - Nate Silver makes a good case that hearts  & minds of all ages are coming around to love.

    Glenn Beck got chased off public airwaves last year, and Rush came pretty damned close.  His brand is still toxic to mainstream advertisers who want no association with hate.

    The economy is coming back, with American automakers adding jobs galore despite Republican attempts to start a New Depression.

    Green technologies are coming on stream almost too fast to follow, and with any luck subsidies to evil oil companies may soon be a thing of the past.

    And NewsCorp is slowly imploding under the weight of its own corruption.  Even the Conservatives in Britain are stepping away from Rupert Murdoch's poisonous legacy.

    Moreover, Newt is revealing himself as the fetid sack of pus he's always been, Santorum is making the case against theocracy by being his wonderful empty-headed self, and Mitt... well, he can Etch-A-Sketch his way back to Utah.

    Things aren't perfect, but they're looking a damned sight better than in the middle of the Bush malAdministraion.

  •  The bad guys are not winning. Hence they are (1+ / 0-)
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    desperate and cling to their guns and religion.  Obama was right on that one, even if he was sorry he ever said it.

  •  I think we're seeing the last, desperate, violent (0+ / 0-)

    push of a movement that is on the ropes.

    The hateful right has been losing ground steadily for awhile, since each successive generation just doesn't see as much appeal in racism or gay-bashing as the previous generations, and demographically, the US has been changing, too. Up until recently the right believed they could adapt to these changes and accept them, when in reality it was all smoke and mirrors to appear acceptable in what passed for polite company these days.

    But since the election of a Black guy, they realize that, no, the tide is not going to magically reverse itself and they have nothing in their old playbook that appeals to the future generation. So they're circling the wagons, purging the moderates and embracing the radicals, and readying-up their "true believers" for what they've always wanted: a final apocalyptic showdown between good & evil, a trial by "combat" (it may not be actual combat, it may be a social and political confrontation with little real "fighting"*) which they believe they'll win by their "virtue".

    Once they realized that they were losing ground, they began to steer the whole course of politics towards confrontation, since that's the ground they think they know and they think they can win on. They've managed to gain small victories and make big fights and lots of noise in the past, but eventually the long, slow erosion of reality will get back to work on foundation of their conservative fantasy land.

    *in re: fighting-- make no mistake, some of them will seek a real fight, with shooting and killing, to be sure. But I don't think a full-blown Civil War 2.0 is in the works-- although we may have something that more closely realizes the old Cold War, with tense standoffs and so on, just within our borders. In a way, we already have that.

  •  Yes; started in earnest w/ Rotten Ronnie (0+ / 0-)

    His era  has been my entire adulthood. People keep voting 4 them, but we don't vote. He the and evil Rs snd the evil 1% made hating people sexy.

    Tipped & rec'ed

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Sun Mar 25, 2012 at 08:39:55 AM PDT

  •  The bad guys won 40 years ago (0+ / 0-)

    ...and they have never looked back. It is only the magnitude of their victory that has become apparent in the last few years, with the financial collapse and its aftermath.

    The bad guys hold what Lenin called the "commanding heights" of the economy, and in politics it is no longer one person, one vote; it is one dollar, one vote. It is telling that in nearly two years since the Citizens United decision, there has been no serious movement toward overruling it, whether by amendment in Congress or by state legislatures via a constitutional convention.

    The battle for the liberal dream is lost. The liberal social contract is dead, and the cancer of corruption has had forty years to metastasize through our political and economic institutions.  The system itself is moribund, and the questions we should be focusing on are how to sweep it away, and what to build in its place.

  •  There is/was an enormous amount (0+ / 0-)

    of toxic dirt swept under the cute rug that was the public face of pre-modern American society.  

    As society has had more economic and technical means to deal with it, and cut down the violent repression responses of the past, chunks of that toxic stuff emerge into American public life and assert their priority.  And we liberals do our best to respond to them with intelligence and humanity.  Conservatives, not so much.

    It's hard- these are the horrible remnants of incapacity and inhumanity and they behave that way.  They demand our attention, emanate poison, and in viciously fighting for their lives indirectly express a wish to be destroyed.  And when we've more or less figured out, tackled, broken down, and swept up a chunk and discarded it, we only get a brief breather.   Another chunk from deeper down bubbles up and requires the same.  

    The bad news is, American society and politics and economy have been one long exhausting horror show to the morally sensitive and intellectually inclined for about a century.  The good news, of sorts, is that in some ways the end is in sight, at least seems imaginable after a long dismal period in which it seemed lost.

    The bad guys, ever a new set of them, keep on winning in the short term.  But somehow all their victories do fade and what strike us as small victories that seem to us mostly as mere survival- like the 2006/2008 elections- are to them rather cataclysmic.  

    The way I see it, since the turning point in 1968 our political system and partisan political cyclicity have decided and absorbed rather a lot.  In a really macroscopic historical picture, what we did was start over from first principles and argue a refounding of the country in the late 60s/early 70s.  First there was an argument about the Constitution, which we decided to retain and try to live up to when Watergate forced the issue.  The 70s and 80s were spent arguing the criteria of membership and duties of citizenship in the society.  The early/mid 90s the country spent arguing social rights structure.  And the late 90s/early/mid 00s we spent arguing about political rights structure or order- manifested in concretes in war endeavors overseas.  And now (late 00s to mid 2010s) we're arguing the economic order.

    Each time a slew of Bad Guys has emerged who argue that we need hold ourselves to no serious justice or long term accountability in the department at issue.  We always have to expose this belief to reality by manifesting it and watching it fail to endure and minimally serve us.  This way, via elimination by reality, we (as a society) end up at the right answer and a discrediting of all wrong answers.  But it comes at a harsh price in suffering and seemingly wasted treasure.  Happily, little blood outright by historical standards.  

    In my opinion, between 1966/68 and 1990/92 the country began to scrap the foundation of relatively incidental selfcongratulatory, pious, and subjective assertions and self-beliefs it was built up on before then.  (We still see this championed on the Republican side and by conservative Democrats, taking forms like the Christian Nation.)  Part of the society demanded and chose to built its expectations on a more objective foundation, on human nature better understood.  Human nature held to be much higher in potential, while much worse in condition, but much more reparable and reliable, than conservatives believe.  

    This is the country founded to Get It Right, once and for all, in world history.  Between 1966 and 1992 the society suffered and argued horribly but came to a decision to remain a serious project, a serious attempt to solve the problem of the world and human nature.  Despite this probably entailing dealing with every type of problem in the world- which we avoid thinking about, because if we did we'd have to admit we seem too weak and small and poor to do it.  So it's not an emotionally firm decision; it's in many ways a fatalistic one made from understanding that the alternatives are all to concede failure of the American Project.  To be just yet another country doing just enough to survive.  The basic constitutional democratic form was tested and revamped and reaffirmed in a bare bones version.

    Since 1990/92 we've built upon that foundation, to where bare bones social democracy will probably be the necessary and surviving form in the late 2010s or early 2020s.  IOW, the current crop of Bad Guys whose argument against social democracy is economic will not prevail either.

    But social democracy is not an ultimate answer either.  It's a means, the best framework, for government to serve basic needs and engage the next level of miseries and wrongs in their societies.

    As a society we are slowly working ever closer to what imho are the fundamental triad of the roots of misery and evil- insufficient material resources, stupidity/inability to learn, and socially acceptable non-sanity.  In more euphemistic and proceduralist environs, these are the running arguments about economics/poverty, optimal population size and composition, education, and religion.  With various derivatives e.g. social rights, civil peace, government size, taxation, permissible violence, etc.

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