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Republicans are still fighting this. (Source: Gay Marine Facebook page)
With British conservatives actively pushing for gay marriage, Politico decided to take a look at whether a similar shift was happening in America. Their verdict:
Just a few years ago, House Republicans were trying to etch their opposition of gay marriage into the Constitution.

Now? They’re almost silent.

It’s been one of the swiftest shifts in ideology and strategy for Republicans, as they’ve come nearly full circle on same-sex politics. What was once a front-and-center issue for rank-and-file Republicans — the subject of many hotly worded House and Senate floor speeches — is virtually a dead issue, as Republicans in Congress don’t care to have gay marriage litigated in the Capitol.

Even more than that, Republican leadership has evolved, too. It has quietly worked behind the scenes to kill amendments that reaffirm opposition to same-sex unions, several sources told POLITICO.

Really? For the counterargument, let's turn to, er, the same story:
Much to the chagrin of many Democrats, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is spending millions of dollars on defending DOMA [...]

The House passed an amendment that prohibited chaplains from performing same-sex marriages on Navy bases. Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) introduced the Marriage Protection Act of 2011, which banned federal courts from hearing same-sex marriage cases, instead kicking them to states. But even he said he didn’t expect anything to be done at the federal level.

”I still feel very strongly about that because I think it has a great deal to do with the stability of the whole country,” Burton said. “I don’t know that people’s opinions have changed that much, but what I think has happened is that people realize the dire straits this country has been in and they think we better deal with that before we get back to the social issues.”

Most Republicans maintain that the commitment is still there — but the time is not right.
“I don’t think there is any less commitment on the part of conservatives and Republicans to protect traditional America values,” said Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, who chairs the conservative Republican Study Committee. “I think that’s still strong [...]”

And of course, there's the corporatist Third Way giving Republicans cover:
“A lot of moderate Democrats would be scared to vote on DOMA,” Third Way’s Lanae Erickson said. “There was no question House Republicans were going to defend DOMA … but they made it as low profile as humanly possible.”
Spending millions to defend a law designed to keep gays as second-class citizens isn't "low profile." Not sure what else they'd expect Republicans to do—the law is already on the books, there's nothing more to legislate. Now it's a matter of resolving its dubious Constitutionality in the courts.

And of course, we can't forget GOP-backed efforts to overturn marriage equality in Washington and Maryland, as well as efforts to keep it illegal from California, to North Carolina, to Maine and to pretty much everywhere in between.

And how about this iconic moment in the GOP presidential primaries, when audience members booed a gay servicemember and the candidates neither defended him, nor bothered to thank the soldier for his service to our country?

Meanwhile, back to Congress, Republicans recently opposed hate crime legislation, voted overwhelmingly against repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, and are now opposing the routine reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act because it extends protections to same-sex couples. And if you think Republicans hate women, just imagine how much they hate homosexual women! When the Obama Administration nominated a pro-gay rights nominee for the ambassadorship to El Salvador, Republicans attempted to block her. She had the temerity to write positively about gays in an editorial.

If Republicans are toning down their anti-gay rhetoric, and I personally don't see it, it's because the electorate is focused on pocketbook issues and really can't be bothered that conservatives find two guys kissing "icky." Because unlike their counterparts across the pond, there still seems to be zero realization that demographically, their intolerance and hatred will make it difficult to win young voters who recoil against efforts to deny all Americans equal rights under the law.

Originally posted to kos on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 10:52 AM PDT.

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  •  Gay-bashing will begin anew when they (20+ / 0-)

    finish bashing women. Remember, they can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

    Your left is my right---Mort Sahl

    by HappyinNM on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 10:56:54 AM PDT

    •  Why do you think they want high powered (5+ / 0-)
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      machine guns in every wingnut's hands?  It's so they can spray gunfire to kill everyone they hate at one time.  They have plenty of hate to go around.

      We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

      by owilde69 on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 11:13:25 AM PDT

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    •  "Republican leadership has evolved, too..." (0+ / 0-)

      They have evolved from two centuries behind the times to just one century behind the times.  

      The only thing that has changed is who is #1 to be bashed, and right now it is women.

      "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

      by Candide08 on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 05:18:33 PM PDT

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  •  So in addition to barring women from (9+ / 0-)

    voting, they're going to raise the voting age to 35. Got it. Thanks.

  •  Shifting is the wrong way to think of it (18+ / 0-)

    The establishment and the money backers really never cared.  All they ever cared about were lowering their taxes and weakening labor to empower business.  The Randian libertarians have been long time supporters of gay marriage.  Wall Street kings like GS have donated to gay rights groups as well.

    However as long as being against gay marriage was able to get them votes they'd go along with it.  When advocating homophobia stops getting them votes to advance their tax goals and becomes toxic they'll run from it.

    Keep in mind the same big business money guys were progressive on their social values up till they needed to go  full Southern to keep getting elected.

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    by overclocking on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 11:02:59 AM PDT

  •  Conservatives in the US make conservatives... (8+ / 0-) other countries look like liberals.

    The shift to the right, specially on social issues, among Repugs has put them to the right of the right wings everywhere.

    Compromising with them no longer makes sense (if it ever did).

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    by Shockwave on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 11:04:09 AM PDT

  •  Oh, I get it (7+ / 0-)
    Most Republicans maintain that the commitment is still there — but the time is not right.

    See that? That's the back burner where they have their hatred simmering until it becomes a popular wedge issue again. Hopefully it never will and those Republicans who are still burning for a good ol' fashioned hate-fest will just have to seethe away while everyone else moves on.

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    by Steven Payne on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 11:05:37 AM PDT

    •  The problem for them is... (6+ / 0-)

      The longer there are states that have gay marriage, and the longer gay relationships are visible in the maintstream, and as long as DADT is gone and gay soldiers can serve in the military...

      Then the more people will learn that there is nothing to fear, that gay marriage doesn't negatively impact "traditional marriage", and that gay people are just regular people and not scary boogymen (and boogywomen?).

      And with every day and week and month that goes by that this happens, the Right's ability to use this as a way to rile up their base will gradually diminish.  Sure, there will always be a hardcore base they can rely on, but more moderate minds will no longer view this as a viable issue compared to things like unemployment.  And the support (and votes) will start sloughing away....

    •  Beautiful pic!... (1+ / 0-)
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      Yeah, I'm thinking that the general population is coming around pretty the time wing nuts return to the issue, it will be moot.

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      by Smoh on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 04:27:40 PM PDT

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  •  LOL (8+ / 0-)

    I thought your title said "shitting"

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 11:06:34 AM PDT

  •  They're Republicans (5+ / 0-)

    They're ideologically bound to not only resisting social change, but dragging the nation, socially, economically, and otherwise, as far to the right as possible, until their corporate masters are happy.

    Why on Earth would they soften their stance on gay marriage, short of it becoming a new third rail akin to racial equality?

  •  Politico is off its rocker as usual (13+ / 0-)

    The GOP doesn't need to soften its stance on gay marriage when it has a willing mouthpiece to make it seem as if they have. They are still fighting this tooth and nail in the states, and the repeal of DADT was booed at a Republican debate six months ago. This is another "we love conservatives" puff piece from Politico.

    "...we can all shut-up and go back to our caves." - Leonard Bernstein

    by progdog on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 11:07:18 AM PDT

  •  Marriage Equality. Marriage Equality. Thanks n/t (4+ / 0-)
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  •  No, they are just going underground again. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    by Eman on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 11:18:20 AM PDT

  •  The republicans are split on Gay marriage (2+ / 0-)
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    While gay marriage lost at the polls in California, and I think it is a safe bet most people would still vote against it, it isn't a very big deal to most people. Unless you are gay this issue just doesn't effect you much. I'm not defending the public, I'm just giving my assessment of the average voters feelings towards this issue.

    Within the republican party there are only two people who care about this issue; Gays, and Christian Conservatives. Christian Conservatives are a big part of the base but they are going to vote republican anyway, meanwhile Gay Republicans could become so offended that they leave the party.

    •  Oh yes... (2+ / 2-)
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      ....I also predict that if Romney wins he will not reinstate don't ask don't tell.

      •  If it's a Republican Congress (7+ / 0-)

        DADT will definitely be reinstated, and a President Romney will sign it -- count on it.

        The optimist sees the glass as half-full. The pessimist sees the glass as half-empty. The realist just knows she's thirsty.

        by Cali Scribe on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 12:12:58 PM PDT

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        •  I disagree (3+ / 0-)
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          There aren't 60 votes to do that in the Senate.

          •  I think you might have the math wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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            It doesn't take 60 votes to pass legislation; it takes 60 votes to break a filibuster.  While that seems like a lot more than the 51 votes needed to pass the legislation reinstating DADT, the Democratic caucus has not had a great track record of supporting and sustaining filibusters against wingnut legislation even though that requires only 41 votes.  Contrary to the perception of the public, breaking a filibuster involves more than taking a consistent stance on an issue.  It also involves institutional collegiality and comity.  And it allows US Senators who are Blue Dogs or are Lieberman-wannabes to be on both sides of an issue and to claim that they are acting as statesmen/stateswomen by rising to the occasion because of complexities that relate to the issue or that cause supposed damage to the institution and American democratic traditions.

            Please review the filibuster's controversies over the last 10 years to understand that the caucus numbers and issue stances do not result in the same outcomes when it comes to which caucus is able to successfully use this unique parliamentary blocking procedure and to use it frequently and detrimentally.  All it takes is one Lieberman ....

            The answer to changing this irrational imbalance?  MORE. AND. BETTER. DEMOCRATS.  Democrats who understand the importance of working for the betterment of Americans and the country instead of Democrats who constantly pursue bipartisan posturing with wingnuts and sell the American public out.

            (Of course, addressing the issue of filibuster reform at the beginning of Congressional sessions would be another way to approach it too!)

      •  HR'ed for shilling for Romney (1+ / 0-)
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        This user is suspect, folks; check hiddens.

        •  You do know..... (0+ / 0-)

 aren't supposed to give people negative ratings just because you disagree with them?

          •  You seem to know (0+ / 0-)

            a lot about the site for someone that just joined on Monday. Presumably you also know that this is a Democratic site, and shilling for the election of Republicans is not permitted.

            Furthermore, posting comments that misrepresent Republican candidates' positions as being more reasonable and center-leaning than they probably actually are can and should be construed as shilling for the election of Republicans.

            So, who were you here before?

    •  Maybe a bit safer bet (5+ / 0-)

      than buying a Mega Millions ticket, but not much:

      Other polls have tracked an even sharper rise in California and the West in favor of allowing same-sex marriage to resume. A CNN survey last month put support for gay marriage at 61% among those questioned in Western states. Public Policy Polling, a Field Poll survey and the Public Policy Institute of California have also recorded majority support for gay marriage rights over the past year.
      (from 2011)

      There's been a lot of "buyer's remorse" over the Prop. 8 vote, plus the fact that it was (probably on purpose) poorly written; it was one of those where voting "Yes" took away marriage equality and that confused a lot of people.

      The optimist sees the glass as half-full. The pessimist sees the glass as half-empty. The realist just knows she's thirsty.

      by Cali Scribe on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 12:11:03 PM PDT

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  •  I read that Politico piece. (8+ / 0-)

    I thought BS on that. They left so much out of it and figured  it was an inoculating piece for the GOP. It won't work.

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    by Caddis Fly on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 11:37:13 AM PDT

  •  They aren't retreating, just reloading (7+ / 0-)

    The GOP mullahocracy will peddle the same hateful propaganda until their base drops dead underneath them.

  •  It's marriage equality, and (6+ / 0-)

    also, I guess I'm not sure I understand the point of this post. I agree their headline about retreating is largely bullshit. But there has been a change in rhetoric. Witness Boehner or even Clement himself refusing to state their positions on DOMA. They are uncomfortable with this and I think that's a good thing.

    I mean I'm not voting for those people, no matter how much 'nicer' (ick) they are, but for the sake of LGBT people and especially LGBT kids who have to grow up in situations where antigay rhetoric is so pervasive, I think it's a good plan to try to get both sides to come around on this issue. Not just our side.

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    by Scottie Thomaston on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 01:08:16 PM PDT

  •  Last hurrah, then change. (7+ / 0-)

    The GOP realizes there's no long-term future in homophobia. But since the GOP has laid no foundation for a long-term future on any issue, they've gotta squeeze their old issues for a little while longer.

    They have no sensible grounds on which they can credibly attack Obama. (There are sensible grounds to criticize Obama, but they're mostly for not being progressive enough, thus they're arguments the GOP can't credibly make.) Having no logical leg to stand on, the GOP must make this campaign about emotion and images. Homophobia is well suited to the GOP's 2012 emotion-dependent circumstances.

    So is voter suppression. That is a delaying tactic, trying to slow the growing political power of blacks and Hispanics. Particularly urgent this year with a black man at the top of the Dem ticket.

    At some point the GOP will find that there just aren't enough idiots left who respond to racism and homophobia to elect GOP candidates, even with the advantage of suppressing minority votes. Then the GOP will have to choose between (a) finding new scary lies or (b) engaging with the real, actual, true challenges facing America (and there are plenty of those). I predict great cognitive dissonance and factional infighting as some GOPers choose (a), other GOPers choose (b), and still other GOPers try for some of both. The new GOP equilibrium that eventually emerges might or might not be any better than the current one.

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 01:08:33 PM PDT

    •  If GOoPers really realize that, ... (1+ / 0-)
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      then why aren't gay and lesbian Repug candidates at whatever level advocating for gay marriage?  Out of the four major candidates for Mayor of San Diego, California, one is a gay male Repug and current city councilmember and another is a lesbian Repug and the county States Attorney.  Both have benefitted from the brief period of time when they could legally marry in California.  But is either one actively advocating legal gay marriage?  No.

      What about the outgoing city mayor, Mayor Jerry Sanders?  Sure, NOW he supports gay marriage - when he's not seeking further office and is essentially a lameduck.  But also remember that he officially was against gay marriage until he broke down in tears at a press conference and announced that he could not advocate against gay marriage and would support it since one of his daughters is lesbian.  You mean to tell me that all of that wingnut, partyline pressure has now evaporated and disappeared?  Or do you mean to tell me that he was torn between the pressures of love for his daughter and a phantom policy position that had no teeth?  I assure you that he took a huge chance to demonstrate that his popularity as mayor was stronger than wingnut efforts to bring him down, but he didn't know that for sure when he had that press conference.

      Kos is right.  Maybe the issue is on its last legs, but one of those last legs is still the Repug party.

  •  Reich Wing homophobia is intrinsically... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...tied to their misogyny. To the feeble-minded republican't brain (and society in general until the 1970's) the idea of "queers" is that they imitated (the chattel) women and disgraced the "real men" by taking the role of of the (should be subjugated) women. It offends them that any man should wish to perform the basic "function" of a woman (even though that scenario has never really been the case). It's one of the reasons their hate literature frequently shows men in dresses (and their panic about transfolk), because acting "girly" is a capital offense against their vision of male virility. So the current attempt to suppress and deny the rights of women is indeed part and parcel of their homo-hysteria. They think that if they can debase and control women again, by extension they can once again attack the men who (they imagine) impersonate these lower forms of life. Their objections to Lesbians is nominal as they believe that when women return to being "property" that the girls who prefer girls can be easily raped into becoming straight. No, it's all about the mythic "male" ego and the insult to it by men who take it up the ass, or in their twisted logic, "act like (second class) women". It's the same war being fought from a different front. To their creepy mentality if they can despoil the notion of independent women they are de facto destroying the men who they assume behave in a womanly fashion. They're disgusting idiots.

    •  The deeper tie: repressed LGBT orientation (0+ / 0-)

      from which springs their projection, their need to control and disfigure the lives of others, especially sexually and bodily.

      I have to think life would be so much easier for all of us if these twisted, hidden, terrified, grieving people could celebrate their variety of native sexual and gender orientations.

      •  Meh. I really don't buy into the meme... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...that the anti-gay loons are just latent homosexuals too fearful to act on their true desires. Rather to them ALL sexual activity (that they can "enjoy") must be an act of domination, shameful, debasing and hopefully painful for their partner. They especially fear the concept of two men together because there exists the possibility that they may incidentally lose the dominant role, which is the measure by which they understand their "manhood". And there seems to be an ample number of "conservitude" women who are so emotionally, intellectually and psychologically beaten down that they collude with the premise that these kind of men are their "leaders". These type of people find sex itself to be unpleasant at best and a form of punishment at worst. It's the base animal instinct and the threat of power-reversal (the partner might take advantage of them somehow) that drives them into a hate-filled stance. Their repugnance towards sex is why they get caught with hookers and rent-boys...if it isn't considered wrong or filthy they just don't understand it.

    •  ^^^^THIS^^^^ (1+ / 0-)
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      Absolutely right, DP.  I've often said that sexism and homophobia are joined at the hip.  You've laid it out better than I possibly could.

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      by FogCityJohn on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 04:48:15 PM PDT

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      •  Why, thank you, my friend. (1+ / 0-)
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         I try to avoid the predigested oversimplifications whenever possible and as I think of sex and the various issues related to it pretty much all the time, I find myself developing different theories and explanations all the time. But for the conservitudes, it all comes down to loathing women and suspicions of sexual pleasure. We give them a fraudulent pass when we assume that their latent homosexuality compels their anti-gay rhetoric. All of their "official" proclamations are a ruse...religion (which is a patriarchal system of mind control and social "order" based on superstition) is the perfect vehicle to mount their agenda. People too often shy away from criticizing religion but it is the weapon of choice used by the woman-haters (and by extension the queer-bashers) to maintain power and relevance.  

  •  The smart ones don't give a crap (1+ / 0-)
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    one way or the other.   The dumb ones think conservatism is a crystal ball that yields all answers.

    The smart Republicans have a lot more contempt for dumb Republicans than Democrats.  But being a smart Republican means you never show and never admit in any public way that you consider the Republican base unable to beat a box of rocks in an IQ test and faster to jump off the cliff than a herd of lemmings on meth.  Au contraire, you give them Certificates of Wisdom and tell them they're The Greatest People In The World.

  •  thank you for this markos (3+ / 0-)
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    I am constantly hearing from my quasi-PUMA gay bretheren that there is little-to-no difference between the parties on this issue.  

    Or if there is a difference, it is only just words that need to be said during primaries.  

    Or if they don't say that, they provide long, revolting apologia for people like Ron Paul, Dick cheney, or Ken Melhman.

    I'm sick of that shit.  Honestly, you all who say that shit should just admit what you are: nice, polite, republicans and be done with it.

  •  The GOP still hates Marriage Equality, wait until (1+ / 0-)
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    the General Election when the economy is better and Mitt is barraged with questions about social issues. I hope that people bring up Prop 8 during a debate or Super Pac ad. This will spotlight Romney's Mormonism and Opposition to Marriage Equality.

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    by YoungArizonaLiberal on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 03:35:08 PM PDT

  •  To be fair (0+ / 0-)

    the British Conservative party (Tories) at to the left of our Democratic party on some issues, and about the same on the rest.

    To use them as a comparison to the GOP is insulting to some fair minded and decent Tories.

    Also, I can kill you with my brain.

    by Puffin on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 03:41:04 PM PDT

    •  Not really. (1+ / 0-)
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      Half of Cameron's cabinet are unreconstructed Thatcherites. They are definitely not to the left of the Democrats.

      You have people like Fox, Hague and Osborne (all initial members of Cameron's cabinet) being part of Atlantic Bridge, which had links to ALEC and Rove.

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      by Calouste on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 03:55:47 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah (0+ / 0-)

        That's very true.  I don't think that these right wing parties internationally are really more leftwing than Republicans.  They're just more sensible and more normal.  

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        by SoCalLiberal on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 04:21:20 PM PDT

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        •  They are more left-wing than (2+ / 0-)
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          the Republicans, just not more left-wing than the Democrats. And then only if were talking about mainstream conservatives like Cameron, Sarkozy and Merkel, not the outliers like Le Pen, Berlusconi and Wilders.

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          by Calouste on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 04:33:13 PM PDT

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  •  The RW: spoiled, contemptible cowards (0+ / 0-)

    Who ever told these people that they reserve the right to choose how all other adults will live, and that liberty is only what THEY think it is?

  •  Romney has apparently given money to NOM, the (1+ / 0-)
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    homophobic hate group trying to create a wedge between gay folk and black/Latinos. So yah, the GOP presidential candidate supports a homophobic hate group. Real shift there.

  •  Gay marriage and Choice and racial issues (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans are seeing that these issues are becoming very volitile and are something that the majority in our country sees differently than the standard republican view.

    So, they are changing.  It is a mistake to go against them for doing that and for changing their opinions.  This is what we want, is it not?  If they are disengenuous but speak "our language", then that is a good thing, not a bad thing.

    People here need to get a clue.

    Only horses should wear blinders.

    by independantman on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 03:42:16 PM PDT

  •  hah..."DISCUSS"...what's to discuss? (0+ / 0-)

    Ranting vitriolic won't end them.

    Remember Bush's "compassionate conservatism?"  As soon as these thugs got into the WH, they slammed the door on every single Democratic lobbyist they ever knew!  He had no mandate!!

    He didn't get elected.  He lost the freaking popular vote and got "installed" by a conservative court!!!

    Recollect Reagan and the con of supply side economics. Indeed, the "con" of conservatism.

    These a@@holes should never be trusted with the reins of power ever again!  Warn your children!  Look to Wisconsin for their lawbreaking strategies and tactics.  They are thugs and they will skulk away with any confrontation at all.  No character.  No creed.  Do not believe a single word they say.

  •  If getting government the hell out of marriage (1+ / 0-)
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    isn't a conservative position, then I don't know what the hell is.  Just another example of stunning Republican hypocrisy...

  •  So, What's Their Platform Then? (0+ / 0-)

    If you take away hating gays, there is only racism left.

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    by bink on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 03:48:59 PM PDT

  •  There are still diehard anti-gay equality politico (0+ / 0-)

    Some Republican politicians may be trying to shift the focus away from social issues as the country becomes more open to equality for all (even gays) but there are still plenty of hard right wingers fighting to retain discrimination.

    They also seem to have gotten more interested in curtailing womens rights of late.

    Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

    by kimoconnor on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 03:58:14 PM PDT

  •  I'm always bemused when Republico gets (1+ / 0-)
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    ink here.

    New Hampshire just voted down repeal of marriage equality - with a very slim majority of voting Republicans on the right side. But both of the Republican candidates for Governor are firmly committed to repeal - as the state party platform directs.

    Similarly, all of the Republican candidates for President oppose marriage equality.   They count as an indicator of where the Party is, no?

  •  The current Republican party (0+ / 0-)

    keeps proving itself stupifyingly wrong on every single issue.  Politico can try to cover for them, and argue that they are softening their stance on gay marriage, but it's really a crock.  If you could boil down the message coming out of Republican statehouses and the Congressional GOP, it's

    We love rich, white, armed, Christian, straight males.

    Everybody else can go to hell.

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 04:02:05 PM PDT

  •  Boehner's two step - (0+ / 0-)

    dancing toward grudging acceptance of a fait accompli, but with a few one-step-back zags thrown in for the social conservative base.  

    Without the Tea Party/2010 elections there'd be fewer backsteps, but this dance doesn't look any prettier than the ethnic folk dances they try from time to time.

  •  Okay, I need to clarify something here (1+ / 0-)
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    Because I follow British politics fairly closely (it's fascinating stuff).  The Conservatives in Britain aren't pushing for gay marriage.  Prime Minister David Cameron is and he just happens to be the leader of the Conservative Party.  Most of the Conservatives are opposed, they're just keeping quiet about it.  This isn't the end-all, be-all issue for them and so even if they don't like it, they will put up with it.  Polling actually shows higher support for gay marriage in the United States than the United Kingdom.  

    Now I give David Cameron, who is a Conservative, enormous credit for backing and pushing for same-sex marriage.  However, he's not doing it with the full backing of his party.  If he is able to push the law through, he will do it with the support of the Liberal Democrats (his coalition partners who have been pushing it strongly) and Labour.  

    David Cameron politically is fascinating.  He's like a combination of Barbara Boxer and Paul Ryan.  His own party dislikes him but puts up with him.  

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    by SoCalLiberal on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 04:19:29 PM PDT

  •  I think it's a trap... (0+ / 0-)

    Lay low on the issue so Dems think that must mean it's a political winner and time to make the move to make it official party platform and Pres Obama to finally come around on it.  Than once that happens the GOP will come out hard against it - and make it a big time election issue.  

    Let's remember Props failed in California and Maine - not exactly the most Red States.  So how would this play in Montana, Missouri, North Dakota etc where Dems need to hold Senate seats, and how would this effect the Pres. Obama's re-election chances in Ohio, North Carolina, Pennsylvania etc?

    The country is trending in the right direction on this - but in the privacy of a voting booth with only the voter and their God knowing how they'll vote I think it will be different than public polling might suggest.  

    I think we're one Presidential cycle away from this being an issue.  Come 2016 I think Gov. Christie will be hurt by his veto.  Opinions are changing rapidly, but not quick enough for it to be a political win this year.  

    Yes I know it's a human rights issue, I'm looking at it from a purely politics/horse race perspective.   I think the equality agenda move forward quicker with Pres Obama re-elected and with Dems keeping the Senate and gaining seats in the House.  

  •  Sounds like gay baiting isn't getting out the vote (0+ / 0-)

    for them like it used to (nationally, at least). Shame about that...

  •  No one will ever love the gays (3+ / 0-)

    as much as Democrats.

    "Good God, Lemon! What happened to you in childhood to make you believe people are good?"--Jack Donaghy

    by Scott Wooledge on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 04:29:22 PM PDT

  •  Some shifting ... (0+ / 0-)

    Enough to show the direction of public opinion, but not nearly enough to get me to vote Republican.

    Another problem: the Federal City of St. Petersburg has outlawed freedom of speech for the glbt movement. This is not just a concern for Finland and Estonia, which are on the doorstep of St. Petersburg.

    Censorship is rogue government.

    by scott5js on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 04:42:48 PM PDT

  •  those Debate audience boo-ers were scandalous (0+ / 0-)

    and I found myself completely flumoxed (there just is no other word for it) when the damned moderator did not at the very least give them a tongue-lashing for disrespecting a serving, active duty member of the United States Armed Forces.

    I can't remember the last time it happened since the Viet Nam era.

    I was so ashamed that those people are Americans.

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    by Angie in WA State on Fri Mar 30, 2012 at 09:29:55 PM PDT

  •  My gut says the repub establishment is shifting... (0+ / 0-)

    ....A lot of conservative intellectuals totally reject homophobia, and view it as an embarrassment and a distraction.

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