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Afterall what better legislative way to get what you want than put up constant and indignant smoking screens ... ie. diverting rhetoric:


NRA ready to stand its ground over Stand Your Ground

by Marc Caputo, The Miami Herald -- 03-25-2012

[...]
Zimmerman has not been arrested. Sanford police cited an immunity clause in Stand Your Ground.

The law’s authors say the police are misconstruing Stand Your Ground. But Rep. Dennis Baxley said he doesn’t want the law touched.

There’s nothing in the law that says you can pursue and confront people,” said Baxley, R-Ocala. “There’s nothing to clarify.”

The NRA’s lead lobbyist, Marion Hammer, has praised the law for giving citizens the right to defend themselves.

“It has become very emotional and political,” she told the Tallahassee Democrat. “Politicians who say we need to rewrite the law are politically grandstanding.”


... What better legislative way to get what you want  -- than wielding that ever-present "hammer" of a well-funded negative ad campaign sure to run, against any Representatives brave enough to 'stand their own ground.' ...

Brave enough to spotlight the need to clarify this vague and dangerous NRA-sponsored law ... a law which in effect makes the responding officer an instantaneous Judge and Jury ... determining instant guilt or innocence, according to their initial gut reactions when then arrive at a scene of violence.  A scene with only one soul left standing.




Here's the smoke screen, the diverting rhetoric ... stated a bit more directly.


NRA Lobbyist: Stand your ground is ‘good legislation’

by khaughney, OrlandoSentinel -- March, 26 2012

TALLAHASSEE — The National Rifle Association’s chief advocate in Tallahassee said Monday that putting the Stand Your Ground law on trial because of the Trayvon Martin case is a “mistake.”

“The stand your ground is a good piece of legislation,” said Marion Hammer, the group’s lobbyist.


Hmmm?  ... is that some guilty-projection ... or just a legislative preemptive strike?


Afterall those Lobbyist "Hammers" are expected to take such bold stands, reflexively, in order to earn their keep ...


Meet the NRA

Marion Hammer (Board Member)

Employer:  Former president of -- and current lobbyist for -- the National Rifle Association
[...]

Controversial Actions and Statements:  [by current NRA Lobbyist Marion Hammer]

  * On March 20, 2012, Hammer responded to the controversial shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin by concealed handgun permit holder George Zimmerman in Sanford, Florida. The shooter, who was not arrested, claimed that he acted in self-defense under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. Hammer, the NRA lobbyist who championed the law in the Florida state legislature, stated, “So for law enforcement to rush to judgment just because they are being stampeded by emotionalism would be a violation of law. This law is not about one incident. It's about protecting the right of law-abiding people to protect themselves when they are attacked. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the law. And if the (Republican) governor (Rick Scott) wants to waste time looking at it he can knock himself out.” Since its enactment in 2005, the “Stand Your Ground Law” has been tied to a number of shootings that involved the questionable use of deadly force.

  * In January 2012, Hammer renewed her opposition to an effort by the South Florida Hospital and Healthcare Association to ban the carrying of firearms in hospitals and nursing homes, claiming that it "panders to the anti-gun political agenda of South Florida organizations." According to Hammer, doctors, nurses and other medical staff have a "constitutional right" to carry loaded guns in these places.
[...]

  * Hammer described elected officials who wish to regulate guns on the local level as “gun hating-Liberals.” “The legislature...made it clear in (1987) legislation that no future ordinances regulating firearms and ammunition could be adopted," she said. "And through that 24 years, there have been a number of counties that have arrogantly done it anyhow because there were no penalties in that bill.”
[...]


In 2010, Hammer received $190,000 in compensation from the NRA for consulting work, in addition to the $110,000 per year salary she receives from Unified Sportsmen of Florida.


Only $190K, Marion Hammer?  you slacker!  

The going rate in DC for selling out your principles -- is $300K a year to start.

-- that must be what $100K Kicker from the Sportsmen association USF, is all about eh?  ... to put you on a par with your peers:


Lobbyist Salaries
by Shelley Moore, eHow contributor -- Dec 20, 2011

[...]
Salary Range

The median salary for a lobbyist as of May 2011 was $98,398 per year, according to Salary.com. The middle 50 percent of lobbying jobs paid $79,162 to $135,936 annually. The bottom 10 percent of lobbyists had annual salaries below $61,650, and the top 10 percent were earning more than $170,000 per year.
[...]

Particularly lucrative opportunities exist in Washington, D.C., for the most-well-connected lobbyists, such as former legislators or White House staff, according to an article by Jeffrey H. Birnbaum published in the June 22, 2005, issue of the Washington Post. As of that time frame, these individuals could earn entry-level salaries of around $300,000.


This is what "representation" in America has come to. It a revolving door system, where access is granted to the highest bidders.  (And caution and deference is granted to the 'opposing forces.')


and the NRA is bidding high ... as per usual ...


National Rifle Assn -- Heavy Hitters

opensecrets.org

[...] Between 2001 and 2010, the NRA spent between $1.5 million and $2.7 million on federal-level lobbying efforts. During the 2010 election cycle, the NRA spent more than $7.2 million on independent expenditures at the federal level -- messages that advocate for or against political candidates. These messages primarily supported Republican candidates or opposed Democratic candidates.
[...]
Lobbying Stats, 2011  [NRA]

Total spent on lobbying:                             $2,905,000
Number of lobbyists hired:                           29
Number of current revolving door personnel:   12
Number of bills mentioned:                          63

...view more [NRA] Lobbying


Afterall it's just another day ...

Another day at the Office, for Lobby America
by jamess  -- Jul 11, 2009


When Lobbyists constantly get the run of the place -- it is We the America People -- that end up with the WORST Representation (and worst Legislation too) ... that their unlimited money can buy ...  

And that is what Lobby America is all about ... giving money a voice ... in what used-to-be OUR democracy.



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Comment Preferences

  •  Expand Their Ground (10+ / 0-)

    This will be a brutal national attack until these laws are universal and stronger than today.

    The rightwing's sole response to all circumstances is escalation.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 11:00:26 AM PDT

  •  We need something called the (6+ / 0-)

    Keep America Safe From Terrorists Act to enact some of the more common sense regulations like the gun show loophole and a rewrite of these ill-conceived "stand-your-ground-in-your-castle" laws.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 11:05:13 AM PDT

  •  Is this industry subsidized?....reads like it is. (1+ / 0-)
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    NYFM
  •  NRA advocates & ALEC have a potentially huge.. (6+ / 0-)

    ..problem with their vaunted law.
    They are already double talking:

    Zimmerman has not been arrested. Sanford police cited an immunity clause in Stand Your Ground.
    The law’s authors say the police are misconstruing Stand Your Ground. But Rep. Dennis Baxley said he doesn’t want the law touched.

    “There’s nothing in the law that says you can pursue and confront people,” said Baxley, R-Ocala. “There’s nothing to clarify.”

    The NRA’s lead lobbyist, Marion Hammer, has praised the law for giving citizens the right to defend themselves. - emphasis added
    misconstruing vs immunity from prosecution.
    - hmmm which is it?
    "nothing to clarify" huh? that sounds like wishful thinking a lie to me
    The Miami Herald

    So one possible silver lining it that now the NRA has a very difficult choice:

    Is Zimmerman protected via SYG which will go over extremely badly with the public

    Or: was the law misinterpreted and/or the law isn't & won't be sited as being relevant to, therefore had nothing to do with this killing.

    It  seems likely that the smarter protectors of "Stand You Ground" may pull back from defending Zimmerman's use of this law by denying (somehow) that the deeply flawed stand your ground was at fault in this.

    This case may have rallied not just just the people against this law but the police & state against the NRA which would be even more dangerous to the NRA and this f**ked up law

    Thx jamess for placing ALEC right where it belongs in this - dead center

    •  I think (1+ / 0-)
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      Eric Nelson


      if by some confluence, somehow Zimmerman is found guilty,

      despite his Self-Defense claim ...


      I think the Law still needs to be changed,

      to make such claims of Self-Defense

      based on more than just the assailant's word.


      ie. there needs to be evidence of a "real and present danger" of Deadly Force,

      before Deadly Force can be legally used to stop it.


      thx Eric


      What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
      -- Maslow ...... my list.

      by jamess on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 12:47:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  To add some local perspective... (4+ / 0-)
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    jamess, randomfacts, Eric Nelson, Iberian

    ...my area's newly-redistricted Texas House seat (District 115) has aRepublicancandidate who describes himself thusly on guns:

    I am ‘A’ Rated by the NRA and a Texas Concealed Handgun License holder who believes our God-given Second Amendment right to bear arms cannot be infringed.  I will oppose any further regulation of firearm ownership by law-abiding individuals and seek to repeal existing laws which infringe on Texans’ Second Amendment rights.
    Evidentally, he thinks (given his NRA rating) that "Stand Your Ground" is fine and dandy and doesn't need to be repealed. I wonder how many more Trayvon Martins will it take for him to see that his stance is insane.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 12:51:51 PM PDT

    •  'Stand your ground' (6+ / 0-)

      has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment does not say 'the right to kill shall not be infringed.'

      "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

      by randomfacts on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 01:03:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It's a "God-given" amendment! (1+ / 0-)
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      Iberian

      Gotta imagine that if God had given us the Second Amendment, she wouldn't have written it so that the entire first half of it is a "non-operable prefatory clause." That, of course, as all us God-fearing Americans know, is what Justice Roberts told us God really meant. Wonder why God put in all that stuff about "well-regulated Militia"s and "security of a free State" if, really, all God intended was for every individual to own guns for any old reason all the time.

      •  Sure, it was a reason why there's an individual (1+ / 0-)
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        hagagaga

        right.

        But fuck that 'god' noise. There is no god.

        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 03:35:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  God nay have given authorization to use spears, (0+ / 0-)

        bows & arrows, daggers, clubs, although the God appointed David originally relied upon shepherds' slings, before taking up the sword.  And He didn't like chariots...drowned an entire nation's army of armored chariots who threatened His people during Exodus.  Don't see anything in the Bible about God wanting The People of God using guns or nukes.  By the time of the 'Minor Prophets' and that special prophet Jesus, it was pretty clear that God seems to strongly prefer our living in peace, beating swords into plowshares, and that we focus on sharing with the poor and orphaned, fair justice, generosity towards and welcoming the foreigner.  All of which is against the resolutely expressed campaign platforms of our current Republican ideologs.

        And then there is that pesky Blessed Are The Peacemakers beatitude, which is to be one of several hallmarks of those who would have claim to call themselves Children of God, none of which feature violence or use of arms. And, yes, I do think it blasphemy that Colt had named a .45 revolver Peacemaker.  Blessed are the poor...okay, now that's a really hard teaching...for Republicans.  Near the close of one of Jesus's sermons, he told us how to deliver a weapon equal to heaping buckets of searing hot coals upon an enemy--do and say kind things to them, love them as yourselves, see their unspoken needs and meet them with a double share, carrying their burdens, clothing, feeding, watering them. Be the living proof of God's love and kindness.

        I'm not saying a nation shouldn't be providing for its security or that no one should hunt game for food, but I am saying, if a nation truly wants to claim they have God's favor, are blessed to be known as God's people, then too many of us are definitely focused on the wrong 'moral' agenda (okay, ALEC's agenda).  Having concern for the common good, caring for neighbors, fairly sharing in the fruits of productive labor, supporting public schools, libraries and creating community shared resources, creating opportunities for immigrants and the poor all seems to be under attack by ALEC's Republican agents.

        When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

        by antirove on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 09:26:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  When the first White Kid from the (0+ / 0-)

      right side of tracks, is popped by some low rent trailer trash.
      Or a cop by some "patriot" refusing to give up his guns.

      One does not simply walk into Mordor! One invites a gas driller in, and one’s land becomes Mordor. Chris From Balloon Juice

      by Mr Stagger Lee on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 06:03:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Remarkably, I don't think I've yet heard the NRA (6+ / 0-)

    say that if Trayvon Martin had been armed, he might still be alive.  Since that's their kneejerk response to just about any shooting that horrifies the public, their silence in this case is particularly telling.

  •  and one of the themes of my post (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Eric Nelson, Glen The Plumber

    continues ...


    What those Lobbyists do, when no one is looking ...
    by jamess -- Mar 31, 2012


    ...or digresses, depending on your perspective.


    What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
    -- Maslow ...... my list.

    by jamess on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 04:19:46 PM PDT

  •  I've heard the details (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jamess

    of 3 or more cases where the claim "stand  your ground" was made. In each of these cases the person was not in danger, one the man walked out of his house and shot two men coming out of another house and another where the man simply picked up a rifle and shot not only one man but wounded two others.  This law is WRONG.  It has to be stopped.  We finally must put an end to the hold the NRA has on congress and legislatures.  I don't know how...but we must.
    The absolute next madness is in Texas you can now hunt deer with a silencer.  When a human can't hear the rifle shot it will be open season on them.  This is nuts.

    My social security, medicare and military retirement are EARNED benefits. The checks Paris Hilton and the Waltons receive while sitting around the pool are entitlements. Don't let the Republicans confuse you.

    by regis on Sat Mar 31, 2012 at 06:57:15 PM PDT

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