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It was bound to happen ... afterall they have a Rollback America agenda to protect ... a steamroller to keep rolling.


National Republicans Stand Their Ground On Self-Defense Laws

by Evan McMorris-Santoro, talkingpointsmemo.com -- March 23, 2012

[...]
[Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)] welcomed the federal investigation into the Martin case Tuesday but told the Tampa Bay Times: “Let’s let the Justice Department go in -- these are professionals, they’ll know what they’re looking for — before people rush to judgment on whether a change in law is (necessary).”

Rubio said there’s “rationale” behind Stand Your Ground. “We have no idea whether that applies at all in this case,” he said. “I think that’s very important to understand.”
[...]


Rep. Allen West (R-FL) -- who called the Martin case “an outrage” and said the Sanford police chief should be “relieved of his duties” (he stepped down temporarily Thursday) -- told TPM Friday that any discussion of the Castle Doctrine is unnecessary. The Florida law “does not apply whatsoever” to the Martin case, West said, because Zimmerman was not being pursued by Martin. Anti-gun lobbyists shouldn’t use the legislation to score political points, West added.
[...]


And according to these Florida Conservatives, the 'Stand Your Ground' law has nothing to do with this -- Excuse me?

Perhaps they should acquaint themselves with the well-known facts of the case ... with the "immunity reasons" which became the grounds for letting Zimmerman go ... unchallenged, unarrested, uninvestigated ...


Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman

by Frances Robles, The Miami Herald -- March 27, 2012

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The development is in stark contrast to the statements repeatedly made by Bill Lee, the Sanford police chief who has since stepped aside and was lambasted for his handling of the case. Lee publicly insisted that there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, leading many critics to say he came across more like a defense attorney for the security buff.

Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony,” Lee wrote in a memo posted on the city’s website. “By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based of the facts and circumstances they had at the time.”

He cited the statute number for Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which provides immunity to people who kill someone in self defense.
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A law which actually prevents the police from protecting the public -- is a law with some serious problems ...

It is a law that deserves to be seriously questioned and challenged -- and not simply ignored, as some sort of non-issue.


There is a Democratic Party leader who has taken a stand against this Law which rolls back America to the era of the wild, wild west.  Where everyone needed to armed.  Where everyone is assumed an automatic suspect.


DNC chair: Repeal ‘Stand Your Ground’ law
by David Ferguson, rawstory.com -- March 24, 2012

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Democratic National Committee chairperson and Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz has called publicly for the repeal of the so-called “Stand Your Ground” law, according to a post at Talking Points Memo’s Livewire blog.
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Wasserman-Schultz posted on Twitter earlier today that the Martin case

    “is further evidence that Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground Law,’ which passed in 2005, needs to be repealed. The failure of the Sanford police to further investigate this crime as a result of their interpretation of this law is an injustice to Trayvon’s family and to all Floridians.”
[...]

Of course the when it comes to Gun Rights the ratcheting-up for "freedom" only goes one way -- all thanks to the very powerful National Rifle Association, the NRA.  Stand against their sponsored-laws and they will stand against your re-election campaign ... with their negative ads blaring ...

No matter how many unarmed persons may be killed -- unjustly -- in the mean time.   That is NOT their problem.


"It's not Guns that kill people, it's People with Guns that kills people."


and according to well-funded NRA representatives, those nation-sweeping 'Stand Your Ground' laws that let them get away with it -- have nothing to do with it ...  

Quick look over there ... somewhere inside the Sanford Police Dept ... THAT's the problem ... NOT the people you never see, pulling the strings ...


NRA ready to bring that Lobbyist Hammer down
by jamess -- Mar 31, 2012





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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)


    What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
    -- Maslow ...... my list.

    by jamess on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 09:23:54 AM PDT

  •  here's another Dem taking a stand (2+ / 0-)
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    Chuck Schumer: 'Stand Your Ground' Laws Should Be Investigated By Justice Department, Congress

    by Amanda Terkel, huffingtonpost.com -- 03/25/2012

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    "I'm sending a letter to the Justice Department today to ask them to expand their investigation into the general application of these Stand Your Ground laws, whether they actually increase rather than decrease violence and whether they actually prevent law enforcement from prosecuting cases where a real crime has been committed," he said on CBS's "Face the Nation."

    Schumer, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, also said he would like to see hearings about the laws on Capitol Hill.

    "I think we should examine this law. They're all new," he added. "They've been passed very, very quickly. I think the states who pass them, if they find out the real facts, may decide to repeal them."
    [...]


    What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
    -- Maslow ...... my list.

    by jamess on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 09:30:41 AM PDT

    •  jamess - I too think the SYG laws (1+ / 0-)
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      should be reviewed. Nearly half of all states have some form of the SYG laws in place, some for as long as seven or eight years. There should be enough cases where the law was a key element in the case that a bipartisan panel would have enough data to provide a thoughtful recommendation.

      In the Zimmerman case we know that it had an impact in the initial decision not to arrest Zimmerman, but we don't know if the Florida SYG law will actually be an affirmative defense should Zimmerman be charged and many legal experts think that it will not be.

      I don't agree that based on this one case, which has not yet even been resolved, that all SYG laws should be repealed. There should be more data available to make a better decision.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 09:38:51 AM PDT

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      •  the law decimates "probable cause" of a crime (1+ / 0-)
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        "Stand your Ground" laws effectively shift the "the burden of proof" that the Use of Force as self-defense, was in-fact warranted -- shifts that burden from a Court of Law, to the gut-calls of the responding officers.

        Problem is, among several legal conundrums, that usually by the time police arrive on the scene of 'shots fired' -- the other side of the story has already expired.  ... So in effect they only get one side of the story.


        Trayvon Martin and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Law
        Michael J.Z. Mannheimer, Law Professor, prawfsblawg -- March 22, 2012

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        Section 776.032 of the Florida Statutes provides that a person who uses deadly force in self-defense "is immune from criminal prosecution." This odd provision means that a person who uses deadly force in self-defense cannot be tried, even though the highly fact-intensive question of whether the person acted in self-defense is usually hashed out at trial. The law thus creates a paradox: the State must make a highly complex factual determination before being permitted to avail itself of the forum necessary to make such a determination.

        Not only that, Section 776.032 provides immunity from arrest unless the police have "probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful." Again, the law creates a Catch-22: police cannot arrest the suspect unless they have probable cause, not just to believe there was a killing, but also that the killing was not in self-defense; and where, as is often the case, the defendant is the only living witness to the alleged crime, the police likely will not be able to form probable cause without interrogating the suspect.

        [...] the defect in the law is in the odd provisions that grant immunity from prosecution and even arrest, preventing the machinery of criminal justice from resolving whether the self-defense claim is a valid one.

        so this "granted immunity" is like sand in the gears ...


        These kinds of weighty decisions used to be deliberated in a Court of Law.

        Now the "self-defense" claim can be validated on a wink and nod, on largely the basis of "he-said, he-said" ...


        The Burden of Proof has been turned into a Catch-22
        by jamess -- Mar 24, 2012


        What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself.
        -- Maslow ...... my list.

        by jamess on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 09:44:32 AM PDT

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        •  jamess - thanks for the reference (1+ / 0-)
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          I actually read the code a few weeks ago when this issue started to attract a lot of attention here on DKOS. I have also been reading other analysis and understand that the laws change the burden of proof. I still believe that there is now enough data for some bipartisan group to thoughtfully review. These laws are in half the states. Let's look at the data and see how the laws are actually working. I am not convinced by what I know now, which is a data point of one, that the laws should be repealed or amended.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 10:13:31 AM PDT

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  •  Watch. When Zimmerman goes to trial and uses (3+ / 0-)
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    skillet, jamess, eXtina

    Stand Your Ground as his defense, then ALL these people--West, Rubio, Fox News, will then do a COMPLETE flip flop and say that it EXONERATES him.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Apr 01, 2012 at 09:33:17 AM PDT

  •  Hey Allen and Marco......What happens in Florida (2+ / 0-)
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    doesn't exactly STAY in Florida does it?..........morons.

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